Arsenal Banter Archive April 23 2013

23 Apr 2013 23:11:01
Mario Gomez anyone?

Nick.

Proven finisher

Think wage would be a big problem most Bayern players on good wage which we wouldn't match
Dan

Yep
AG

Yes Yes and Yes!

RobbanSa

I'd rather a more mobile striker in the mould of suarez or lewandowski. Giroud is better than Gomez IMO, let him play for FCB and he'll score 30 goals a season as they play with wonderfull cross makers.
Jovetic could be the one.

Stan

Stan, spot on

23 Apr 2013 22:43:59
Big game for us now against Utd on the weekend and it will be interesting to see how the game will pan out.

Ferguson is not the type of manager to let his players off with easy relaxed run of games, so they will still be up for it. This is a lot to do with why they are so succesful they do not let up in their intensity.

They will have that swagger and confidence that comes with winning the title and my only hope is that they become too over confident and over attack and open the game up which may suit us.

Wigan Are battling for their lives mind aswell and are down to the last saloon so to speak, so will make it a hard game for Spurs. I actually fancy Wigan to get something from the game, they have a history of pulling out of the bag at the last moment.

Its going to be a very difficult match against Man U and a draw is the best to be expected. Fortunately, Wigan are fighting for their lives and I am praying they can hold the Toot to a draw. Then we need to beat QPR and Wigan, whilst at Newcastle I can see another draw. So we end up with 71 points. In order for us to finish top 4, we probably need Chelsea to beat the Toot, if they draw against Wigan, beat Southampton & Sunderland, they will have 70 points and we will have to rely on a draw away at Stoke, to clinch 4th place on goal difference! nail biting stuff!

23 Apr 2013 21:26:30
Great to have you back ED002!
Do you know any targets that Wenger has planned to buy in summer and can tell us? And I mean world-class rather than more kids.

23 Apr 2013 21:12:37
I am starting to doubt wether we need another striker. In my opinion we now have 4 strikers; giroud, podolski, gervinho and walcott. If gervinho gets a grip on his finishing he can be a real asset. And with Poldi fresh for the new season he surley will be pushed into the middle. We then have 4 strikers who can produce a lot of goals:

Podolski: ca 20
Giroud: ca 15
Walcott: ca 15
Gervinho: ca 10

Would rather have us sign a good winger.

Totally agree. We used to destroy teams with our wing play and cut backs from the goal line. Even with Walcotts speed we never get behind or around the defence anymore.

23 Apr 2013 18:44:48
in regards to goetze joining a rival, some people might not agree but we can't say anything because sol walked out on the spurs and joined us and he was one of the best cb at the time

gooner mark

Sol left a mid-level club to join us, a club who had won 2 doubles in the last 3 yrs before he joined

Gotze left a 2 time Bundlesliga champion who is in the CL semis, and his hometown club, to join the Bundlesliga champion and CL semi finalist

That's a parallel move, he's a sellout

Gotze is from munich is he not?

Gotze is from Dortmund

I read somewhere that he moved to Dortmund when he was 7, he had previously lived outside of Munich.

I do not know if he was a Munich supporter though, but still I feel bad for Dortmund and Klopp.

Now can we please buy Lewandowski?

- James R

23 Apr 2013 18:01:15
I really can't believe Goetze would agree to a deal with a rival NOW 2 days before Champions League semi just when you think you've seen it all. That would be like Bale agreeing to join us this week. Amazing.

But seriously gooners, yes, we all wanted Goetze but we would not pay 35 million for one player it's just not how we operate. Arsenal builds their teams we don't buy them like city and chelsea.

What we need to do is keep hold of our players now that the debt is said to be manageable we no longer depend on player sales to generate profit.

We build our team with our young British core (wilshere ramsey chamberlain jenkinson walcott) and make improvements via the transfer market where available but to even suggest that we are in for cavani or falcao is just a joke.

Arsenal is built on a sustainable model that's why we were one of the original premier league teams and one of the only ones that have never been relegated, ever. FFS even united were relegated once! We are Arsenal and we are here to stay!

Time to send a message this sunday!
COYG

23 Apr 2013 16:43:04
I had a feeling that Giroud's red card wouldn't get overturned. When being a gooner, it seems like things like that just don't happen. Haha but what are your guys thoughts about it? Correct decision?

Also, I have no complaints about Giroud and his performances. I know there are many gooners out there that are not happy with Giroud, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I don't have a problem with that.

I am also somewhat excited that Giroud's red card didn't get overturned because I've been wanting to see a rotation with he forward position every now and then and now we can see the likes of Walcott prove himself at forward again or possibly see Podolski at forward for longer than his 10-20 minutes he had a few games ago (correct me if I'm wrong). Either way I am excited about it, but I just wish we could have seen this rotation earlier in the season as we are in a very crucial time in the season. So this could either break us or make us. let's hope we see positive results! I also imagine that this will give the Ox more playing time as well, so let's hope for the best for him as well!

COYG!

23 Apr 2013 16:19:15
Glad Gotze is gone.

Gundogan, Reus, Lewandowski and the two defenders should all be more important targets for us from Dortmund

I'd rather we sign Isco at that position

You seriously underestimate Gotze. his stats at that age are in line with the one and only messi. no other player comes close. I wish people would see why he is coveted compared to other players.

anyway none of those players are coming to arsenal so let's just be realistic. once wenger is gone then perhaps we can see what the new manager brings. one more year of dead transfers to go.

I believe Gotze is class. I believe we have a better player to play in his position in Jack.

I believe Ramsey will set the league on fire next year. He's back

I believe Oxlade will have the type of campaign necessary to be a fixed starter at the World Cup

We do not need more small central midfielders

I'd rather you sign Cabaye if you want a small central midfielder.

But really, spend the Gotze money and get Strootman or Wanyama, or how about both if you want to spend 30-35m

Gotze playes cam or ram mate

I believe I can fly

1404

Do you believe you can touch the sky?

337

Think about it every night and day

23 Apr 2013 15:06:33
Every year that I see another team win the premier league, as we slip further away from the top of the table, I feel a burning desire to see us turn it around. Bayern Munich have just won the title in record style and now have added Gotze and there's talk of Lewandowski as well. United missed out on the title last season and added Van Persie and Kagawa, while each season we do the reverse best players go, but all summer long there's talk of big names coming. I understand that with the move to the Emirates came a knock on effect but surely we must be past that point by now?

I'm impressed by how this team has turned it around this season, we looked so far off 4th that it seemed an impossible task, but if we do get 3rd/4th that can't be enough, we haven't moved on from last year and we crashed out of the FA and Carling Cup, and I won't be patting Wenger, or the club on the back.

I don't want us to become like City or Chelsea where we just throw money at the problem, but we've gone to far the other way and this summer we must strengthen, we all know what is needed defensive midfielder, striker, winger etc. But what's different is that with the Emirates deal we know we have money so there can be no excuse for not reinvesting it in the club, it's also the last year of Wenger's contract, I really hope that all the talk of change with regard to spending is true. I don't expect Cavani, Falcao etc but there are some great players out there we can afford, Jovetic, Wanyama, Ruffier, Draxler etc, add that to the exciting players like Eisfeld we've got coming through.

I don't expect instant success but it would be nice if a champions league place seemed secured, and we had a really good cup run, and then we could move forward. Every Arsenal fan can see what the club needs, and the players that should be moved on, I hope Wenger and the Management will show a ruthless streak over the summer, paying what is need and closing deals to get the right players, while respectfully moving some players on and holding onto our key ones. I'm waiting with quiet expectancy for good things this summer and players to be added early, please don't let me down Arsenal. Until then let's finish strong get 3rd/4th and start by crushing United on Sunday.

I agree with the interest in players like jovetic and wanyama. Will it happen? its all about the money.

We could go after higuain, will we even ask?

I would be happy if we get Julio Ceasar and Corchia to cover the back. add miquel to the CB rotation and then add wanyama and Jovetic.

Ox, wilshere, Ramsey and wanyama need to play more. for me that is the midfield core.

adding jovetic will be a dream. and he maybe banging in 10-15 goals in italy, which is quite a defensive league to bang goals in. but i'm sure wenger can turn him into a 25 goal a season striker. He has world class potential.

in regards to sunday it depends. if we draw I will take that result. but knowing our players they will not even show up. the fulham display was a disgrace and the utd game will show we have no creativity. while they will carve opportunities for fun against us.

23 Apr 2013 13:43:02
gotze to join bayern so possibly robben will be available in the summer,
not sure how good mba is but cannot be any worse than squillaci or djourou.
also bergkamp and possibly tony adams to join coaching staff in the summer {Ed001's Note - both Robben and Ribery are available.}

Wouldnt want either Robben or Ribery. Both good but trouble and massive wages.

Ribery has been on spectacular form this season.

I would take him any day at our club without blinking

Hi edd001. (Good to see you back)

Any chance ribery would be considered by Wenger? {Ed001's Note - I would think his wage demands would rule him out completely, sorry.}

23 Apr 2013 13:39:57
The "Goetze Interest Group" will now rest. Isco now or Drexler?

Neither.

I do not wish to be linked to players for 3 years only for another team to take them. because wenger was just wasting money scouting a player he had no interest in actually buying.

23 Apr 2013 13:02:45
Now that Bayern are buying Mario Gotze to play the Iniesta role, Arsenal should move for Xherdan Shaqiri who is very similar and most likely will not see the playing time he wants. Bayern haave loads of midfielders who can play centrally like Kroos, Muller, Robben, Ribery, Gustavo, etc. Draxler and Eriksen would be nice creative midfielder options as well.

COYG

23 Apr 2013 14:08:52
anyone else agree that this game against united on sunday is the biggest of the season? between the implications that the game holds for top 4 as well as the guard of honour that we must give to RVP before the game, how we react and perform on sunday is absolutely vital.

I have money on us winning, although we can handle a draw once we beat QPR and wigan. A loss on sunday would flatten us especially if spurs and chelsea win their next game.

This is the season here boys, we know you can do it!

COYG!
f*#k RVP!

It is simple:

Utd have nothing to play for on Sunday, plus their players were all out til 6am this morning partying so they should be tired.

We have the home advantage, and we have it all to play for.

So, IMO if we do not win we have no excuses and simply do not deserve it.

COYG

337

23 Apr 2013 11:49:11
People forget RVP's background. Feijenoord shopped him around Europe before he joined us. He was a headcase, getting into fist fights with team mates, refusing to warm up. Wenger bought him for 2. 75m, he was a player that nobody, including fergie would touch. When he first arrived at arsenal he was still a headcase and eventually wenger and bergkamp civilised him. Then he spends the next 6 years on the treatment table earning millions without playing. Wenger never wrote him off and never replaced him when others would have. We built the team around him, gave him the armband worn by legends like Adams, Henry, etc. He throws it all back in our faces, tells us he's outgrew us (remember when you couldn't get a game ay Feijenoord robin?) And escapes through the back door whilst doing his best to weaken our negotiating position (only saved by wengersnegotiating ability). He shouldn't have joined utd, period. He shpuldnt have forced the move Like he did.

Classless is not the word. He deserves nothing but derision from gooners. Just wish we had tony Adams, David o'leary or even ray parlour on Sunday. They'd knock his block off.
Eman.

Lol but at least your over it right?
Chris the REDman

Well whilst you moan we'll celebrate being champions again.

say whatever you like you wish RVP was still yours.


ms85

Im afraid I disagree

I think all arsenal fans are over it but they still can't stand it when he scores and single handedly win united the title

watford gooner

You can't really blame rvp, he wanted to win something and did. The club are at fault for what happened as they aren't willing to splash the necessary cash to put in a good challenge for the title.

Football is now a business, simple as that. If your company's competitor offered you double the money and offered perks (i. e. winning the title etc.!), what would you do? Having said that. let's beat the s--t out of Man U and enjoy it. We NEED those 3 points badly.

23 Apr 2013 10:37:56
Van persie moved to man utd, and as a result more than doubled his salary and won the league.
I hold no animosity towards him whatsoever.
The people who deserve to hear our anger are Wenger, Gazidis and Kronke -
Wenger sanctioned this move, don't be kidded into thinking his hands were tied, that's complete bullsh!t.
For £20m we gifted utd the title and had another season struggling with spurs for 4th
PATHETIC

AG

23 Apr 2013 10:16:55
Well that's another player we wanted gone gotze to Bayern 32million can people please link us with realistic players

23 Apr 2013 09:23:44
Congratulations to RVP!

On being the biggest in football

feel free to choose any word in the gap

watford gooner

2 Words OK?

Bowel Nugget

This comes curtesy of Stoner, the most insulting phrase that can still be posted.

337

I have a few in mind Watford but this is a family page!

Surely 'Spud' is more insulting? I had to give up Sunday Roasts.

23 Apr 2013 07:42:32
I'm sorry but Van Persie is by FAR the best striker in the league all he wanted (same with Fabregas/Nasri) was our club to show some ambition and to spend some money on some world class players but our club said no and cashed in and replaced them with maybe good players but no WORLD CLASS players not even Cazorla is what I would call a world class player he is a class player but not a world class player and that is what is wrong with Arsenal we should t be saying to sign Jovetic/Draxler we should be signing Benzema/Götze that is the only way we will EVER be near the heights of Man united. I hope the club see Man United winning the league and say "let's spend some money"

Totally agree with you I hate the fact RVP joined united but we would all have been happy had he gone abroad and won something. People say we have strengthed our rivals I am sorry Man U are not our rivals we are a long way behind them at this current time, they know to achieve great things you need to spend big something that has to be addressed if we want to CHALLENGE

Im sorry but that is not a valid excuse we had a great team but fabregas nasri and clichy left that's hard to recover from but the following summer we signed podolski giroud and carzorla
the team should of been
szcesney
sagna mertsacker koscielny gibbs
song wilshere
carzorla
walcott rvp podolski

bench fabianski jenks veramelen arteta chamberlain giroud ramsey

that would of argubaly been good enough to win the league its not so much signing the world class players its about keeping them

watford gooner

23 Apr 2013 03:33:17
I feel truly depressed today. Not so much because Van Perise was sold to united. but for what it represents.

United's owners trying as hard as they can to please their fans and compete to their highest potential

Arsenals owners being greedy business men that call us brats when we complain that they show no passion for glory


I don't get why every gooner at the game doesn't start chanting for the board to leave or better yet boycott the games

THIS CLUB HAS BECOME A JOKE
A FREAKING JOKE

Mate an interesting thought occured to me. What if Usmanov sales his Arsenal shares and buys Tottenham instead, how would you lot feel then?

How has that got to do of what he said
and that will never ever happen its like saying abroamvic getting fed with Chelsea and buying fullham

watford gooner

23 Apr 2013 00:09:03
I doubt there will be a centre half brought in. A defensive mid who can cover there will do. We already have 3 well payed players in that position, Miquel should be loaned out if possible to a premiere league side that will give him game time.

Miquel's Agent

22 Apr 2013 23:46:55
fact of the matter is the striker/ goalscorers/ impact players we want will not replace the striker/goalscorer/impact player we had.

My personal list in terms of how much of an impact and the big game performances aswell.

1) Messi
2) Ronaldo
3) Falcao
4) Aguero
5) Ibrahimovic
5) Cavani
6) Van persie
7) Suarez
8) Bale
9) Wayne Rooney
10) Benzema
11) Mandzukic/Gomez
12) Neymar
13) Balotelli
14) Lewendowski
15) Jovetic/ Higuain



are we going to get any of these guys?

i would probably call Jovetic a top 15 player. but that is only because of his world class potential, however there are no guarantees.

If I was wenger, I would try to take a striker from Madrid or Bayern and tempt them with a starting position. however its unlikely that he will even buy a striker and its likely we will buy another cheap winger. and have a rotation upfront of wally, giroud and poldi.

Lakerville

I don't understand how you put Jovetic in their? Maybe Yilmaz instead

Out of interest have you seen Aguero this season? He's been useless

No Di Marie? Ozil they are big impact players

23 Apr 2013 14:01:50
@mhc - he's been injured. but he has turned up for the big games and delivered & the goal against utd shows the quality of player that he is.

@ Wimslow - I didn't want to write a list of 30 strikers/ impact players. I just ended it there. and no I don't think yilmaz is better.

@anon - Di maria & Ozil have had amazing season but I wanted to put more of a goalscorer who is a impact player. also the two of them had a bad first half of the season. and now seem to be on some sort of MUSHROOM trip.

Mandzukic?!
Do me a favor

22 Apr 2013 23:24:17
G�tze has signed for Bayer Munich, all over German media apparently already signed contract

Got to feel for BVB doing things right way winning trophies but still having best players leaving

Just before the semi's as well

Dandan

22 Apr 2013 23:06:44
Hi lads! Been having a think of what our squad could and should look like for next year.

Begovic
Jenko Kos Verm Nacho
Wanyama
Wilshere (C) Cazorla
Walcott Ox
Jovetic

Subs:
Szczesny, Gibbs, Arteta, Ramsey, Podolski, Giroud, Mertesacker

Reserves: Rosicky, Coquelin, Miquel, Bellerin, Eisfeld, Gnabry, Martinez

This is my personal opinion. I feel that this squad has a good amount of depth, however I only feel we will be able to land these signings if we manage top four, especially Jovetic.

I feel that Vermaelen and Koscielny are the best pairing of centre halves, especially if we have big Vic in the defensive midfield role who will provide the bully in the midfield who we really need to help break up play and win those important tackles that leave our defence so vulnerable.

Another problem which may occur would be all of the midfield options, who would we leave out? I feel that either Arteta or Rosicky would feel that they have to leave, which is disappointing as they are both quality and we really need to keep Ramsey.

The inclusion of Jovetic will definitely mean that Giroud wouldn't get much playing time, unless the formation changed so we played more of a 4-4-2 with him playing off Jovetic. However, I'd like to see the 4-5-1, with Jovetic and then a fit and firing Lukas Podolski competing for the same position.

I'd love to see Wilshere captain next year, would give him such a massive lift and it would reward him for being such an inspiration and providing much needed motivation in a very lacklustre side during these past few seasons.

We need to get rid of some dead-wood too; Arshavin, Squillaci, Sagna and Gervinho, I'm not too sure whether the last two will be going but I do hope so.

Then finally, I'd like to see Eisfeld and Gnabry a chance to be within the first team, these young talents are the future of our great club.

Mertesacker is our best cb by a long shot. Kos and Per are the best pairing.

Would definitely start Pod instead of either Ox or Theo. I might start Giroud over them too.

I'm not sure over our best CB pairing - probably is Mert and Kos.

I actually love your team!
Swap Gibbs for nacho a feel Gibbs is defensively stronger
Dandan

22 Apr 2013 23:04:00
Selling the title to Utd hurts so much. If we don't win on Sunday I think I'll lose faith in Arsenal. I'm not being fickle but after watching arsenal since I was 4 (back in 1998) its pains me to see what has happened to our club. I've survived losing the final to Barca. I've survived 8 years without a throphy. Don't know if I can do it any longer.

You've survived nothing then. Try supporting the club for over 26yrs.

There's been SEVERELY Worse times, than this.

I remember the Terry Neal Years, that was painful.

I have for 55 yrs so have had much worse to put up with

50 years this year for me, so even more bad times. But when you see teams grow and then win it makes success even sweeter, 71, 89, 98, 02 and 04 were fantastic times and others as well.

Tom.

Season ticket holder here. First visit to Highbury aged 6 in 1952! We have had worse teams than today's squad, but the propaganda given to fans when the decision for the Emirates was taken, and then the subsequent seasons' performances has just not been good enough. I think the "Old Guard" at the top have let us down. They probably think that by "giving" us a new stadium, that this will satisfy the fans. Never mind team performance or winning trophies. "Arsene Knows". No he doesn't! He doesn't know how I feel today, after 61 years of obsession with Arsenal. Seeing the Dutchman hammer a hat -trick and notching up another title for That club. We need to really ramp up the noise level and atmosphere on Sunday and show the Mancs that we can offer a response and send a signal for next season. Hey Ho! ever optimistic.