Arsenal Banter Archive July 23 2016

23 Jul 2016 16:55:33
Tbh lads I'd be happy with ginter and mahrez tbh.

23 Jul 2016 17:15:05
Unless one of Per/ Gabriel is leaving, I don't see Ginter being realistic.
We currently have Koscielny, Mertesacker, Gabriel, Chambers and Holding for CB.
Holding has been given a first team (kinda) number, so I don't see him being loaned out.
Even if Chambers goes on loan (I personably think he may) then we still have 4 CB's plus Monreal who can cover in a pinch.
Ginter is basically a carbon copy of Chambers and Holding though, in that all 3 are CB/ Rb combos.
The only difference is chambers played RB and we're converting him (I think what actually ARE we doing with him) to a CB.
Holding played CB for Bolton most of the time.
And to be frank, I don't know much about Ginter's playing time last season, but I can only assume he played a fair few games due to Subotic being injured, even with Sokratis and Hummels there too.

Out of fear that i physically can't take more disappointment I won't be mentioning or discussing that other player you mentioned though!

23 Jul 2016 17:53:19
As far as I've read gintner is injury prone, so be ok for us then.

23 Jul 2016 18:37:04
Lol Steve

But why are people thinking Wenger or as I said last season The French Idiot ( TFI ) is going to get a CB? Forget as I posted we now have 5 candidates for that position.

23 Jul 2016 18:54:59
I agree banbury, I think if no one comes in for debauchery, he will use him as an emergency cb or monreal. If we can sell him he may dabble because what we have isn't good enough, quality wise.

23 Jul 2016 16:43:04
Awesome news if it comes true, that Mahrez is joining us. One of the missing ingredients last season was more goals coming from midfield. If he joins, presumably we may sell two out of the three; Campbell, Ox and Walcott. I cannot see us spending Xhaka £33m, Mahrez £42m, Holding £2m, Asano £2m and a forward £20m+, without recouping a large chunk by selling players. The total outlay would be an affordable £100m ish. We have sold Hayden £5m?
Campbell £8m, Walcottt £20m, Ox £15m, Debuchy £5m, are all possibilities.

23 Jul 2016 17:55:40
Apparently it was all media bs again. Nothing new there then.

23 Jul 2016 18:39:44
You'd think people would learn by now, we have spent 30 odd million if we are to buy anymore players then Wenger will use the money from sales of our current squad, there is NO way we are coughing up 70,000,000 without a load coming back in.

23 Jul 2016 18:39:44
You'd think people would learn by now, we have spent 30 odd million if we are to buy anymore players then Wenger will use the money from sales of our current squad, there is NO way we are coughing up 70,000,000 without a load coming back in.

24 Jul 2016 11:44:18
It looks to me like we are having trouble moving players on. The fact that average performers are on huge salaries is amassive stumbling block. Rumours about gibbs, debauchery, walcott, ox, shezny too name a few moving are all on more wages than their current status deserves. I think we may have a struggle moving people on.

23 Jul 2016 12:36:18
Afternoon Eds and all,

Any word on reports this morning that Mahrez is on his way to Arsenal or is it paper sh#te as usual?

Thanks in advance.

23 Jul 2016 13:50:18
If it is true, I can't see us getting a striker. I think Sanchez might be used, which I don't mind as he plays there for chile and is very good in that position.

23 Jul 2016 15:09:59
Agree mark, it's looking less n less likely that a top top striker will come in, I am all for sticking Alexis at the spearhead of our attack, he could be outrageous.

But we will still need someone of the calibre of Sanchez on the wing to replace him if that was the case.

23 Jul 2016 16:22:28
Even if we use the same set up as France. With Giroud and Sanchez both up front.

23 Jul 2016 11:27:50
Arsenal finishes during my lifetime to date from 2016 back to 1973

2 3 4 4 3 4 3 4 3 4 4 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 1 3 5 12 4 10 4 1 4 1 6 4 7 7 6 10 5 3 4 7 5 8 17 16 10 (1973/ 4)
Before then the finishes were not great either - we won in 71 but finished 12th the season before. The 71 was the first win since 53.

After I was born, I had to wait till 89.

In short - we have won the league before Wenger joined the club. 4 times since 1950.
But we have had some pretty low finishes also.
Wenger has won it 3 times and brought consistency and flair as well as long term stability for our great club.
Our history shows that we don't have a God given right to win the EPL. Look at Liverpool, no one does. Money helps - look at Blackburn for that one season or CFC or City pre and post the glucose money. Money is not everything - Leicester proved that but probably a one off.
We got to want the best for OUR club but we can't be spoilt brats. We don't have the right to success. If we can learn from Leicester to get harmony, fitness, directness, injury management as well as accepting we need to spend money sensibly then we should be fine. Wenger has competed and won at the highest level. Beat Fergie to the title. Let's show him some faith and respect. He's not god so he can be wrong and challenged but let's respect the guy as he has a tough audience to please - US. If you don't think we are tough - read this site.
We have great history and values - hopefully us fans realise they should be demonstrated by the fans also as we identify ourselves with this great club.
We still are a great club and I want success just as much as you Steve or Malaga. I don't believe there's 300m to spend and there isn't. I am frustrated with us needing a striker and a Defender. I hope Wenger does what's needed and we notch up another top place finish, at worst I want to still be fighting for it in May as that's what I've missed most. COYG! Still got faith in you AW although you do test it at times

"Victoria Concordia Crescit"

Players, Fans and Management Team.

23 Jul 2016 12:12:57
SY4

I just want change

Better sooner than later.

23 Jul 2016 12:31:35
SY4

We have over 150 million in the bank
Emirates pay us 30 million
Puma pay us 30 million
New TV money 100 million

The stadium revenue pays for the stadium loans and players wages

There is money to spend

We need a manager that gives the CEO a list of players and tells them to and get them

We have a manager that is involved too much of the daily running of the club, while neglecting what he is actually paid for.

23 Jul 2016 13:41:58
SY4 great post but unfortunately the ones with our opinion are a dying breed. Look on this site every positive comment gets a lot of disagrees and every negative comment gets a lot of agrees. That's the way It has turned out. I'm now waiting for the moaning that we haven't met hiquains 79m release clause. No matter what Arsene does a lot of people have decided how they feel. Even if we win the league people wouldn't be happy.

23 Jul 2016 14:29:45
D16

Name me 1 thing there is to be positive about.

23 Jul 2016 14:33:55
D16 that's not true mate i've always been pro wenger- we need a striker one is not enough.

23 Jul 2016 14:37:06
Malaga, that is the most sensible post I've read from you. I think your comments about the manager are pretty close to reality.

23 Jul 2016 14:57:01
Ozil that wasn't aimed at everyone. Malaga I can name several things if you really wish but if you can't find one thing to feel positive about Arsenal you're in the wrong game here lol. Btw people don't get me mistaken. We do need a striker. I'm pro Wenger but yes we need one and a CB. That's priority for me and I think people are kidding themselves if they think arsene don't see that. But he won't overspend. I appreciate that with him it's just how he is.

23 Jul 2016 16:25:14
We've just got another CB from Bolton.

As well as Gabs, Chambers, Kos and Per.

We will NOT be getting another CB.

23 Jul 2016 16:40:21
The Arsene fans are not a dying breed, it's just the doubters are louder.

23 Jul 2016 17:07:55
Chambers may well leave on loan Banbury. I'd be surprised if he's not at least keeping an eye out for one. Lime tree agree perhaps dying breed was the wrong term there lol. But there's certainly more and more people losing hope. When I go to games I hear people constantly criticise Arsene. And some of its stupid. I remember the last game I went to people around me was livid that he was bringing on welbeck, that game was Leicester city at home. Not one person near me held there hands up and said Yep I was wrong.

23 Jul 2016 17:08:27
P. s probably going off topic in that last post haha.

23 Jul 2016 17:50:37
D16 - 16 disagrees and counting.

23 Jul 2016 18:46:42
Lime Tree

Everyone on here is an Arsenal fan some from the 70's others 80's and so on

We are all entitled to our opinion but more and more season by season people are getting fed up.

A few weeks ago a post said " we know it's going to be another season of disappointment but we should still back Wenger". That is wrong and a very odd way to look at things . If you know something is wrong stand up and say so .

23 Jul 2016 20:55:05
Some of you think wenger is irreplaceable, the messiah, great, mr arsenal and whatever. I think the guy is holding us back and doesn't hack it anymore. What gives you any right to say you are right and I am wrong. None that's what. I happen to think differently to you but I don't knock you for it, I just disagree.

23 Jul 2016 22:11:14
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course. Haven't seen a single post telling any of you that you're wrong. You're attacking Arsene and everyone who won't criticise him and now playing the victim when a couple people say they like him, it's madness!

23 Jul 2016 22:17:16
Steve, I never said that. I note that we won the league before and we will after Wenger. But that he has managed the most successful period of the clubs history. I thought my post was balanced. I believe our business model needs to change and you agree. I think Wenger deserves a chance under thAt model.

23 Jul 2016 23:38:41
Lime tree i never call people at all for their opinions individually, i have been told i'm a all sorts of things, traitor, not a real fan, not an arsenal fan and all sorts of things by, small minded people who can't accept someone might think differently than you. I put my views over i stand my ground but whatever people may or may not think off me, i have always respected that people have different views than mine, but i don't do character assassination. I do not attack individuals at all, that is wrong, i may challenge their views but never attack and call people, you are way off the mark. With all due respect i would like to think that many on here who have had coversations on here for the years we have been on here, know me and know i am forthright but not personal.

23 Jul 2016 23:40:13
Oh and i do like to say things a bit tongue in cheek as well for a laugh and to get the banter going.

24 Jul 2016 00:58:35
Couldn't agree more Steve.

24 Jul 2016 01:11:51
Sy sorry i know you started the thread and it wasnt just about this thread but i wasnt pointing the finger at you. We know each others views and we are ok with that. Sorry i that i had my rant on your thread.

24 Jul 2016 09:00:06
No worries buddy 😀.

24 Jul 2016 10:13:41
If this is to be Arsene's last season, love him or hate him I hope we all get behind him for the farewell season!

23 Jul 2016 11:00:57
According to the sky website Eurosport France have said mahrez is honing arsenal for £41.3m.

23 Jul 2016 11:05:58
Going to arsenal typo.

23 Jul 2016 10:32:30
Riyad Mahrez's agent was at the game against Lens yesterday.
Now today, a 'Eurosport' journo is saying he's hearing Mahrez wants to join us for €50m.

Settle in ladies and gentlemen, it's going to be a long one.

23 Jul 2016 08:11:19
Hi people
arsenal have confirmed they are still in the market to sign players so stop stressing and enjoy the sunshine.

23 Jul 2016 08:33:26
Arsenal are always in the market, that means absolutely nothing .

I could be in the market but I won't pay the money.

23 Jul 2016 09:03:22
And they have never said that before.

23 Jul 2016 09:04:10
I do hope you're right Stephen, as we certainly need reinforcing.
But part of me worries that the statements yesterday were simply damage limitation as they know the club are unlikely to make any big signings and they know the fans will lose it after another season/ window of the same issues.

I do worry though that it's just a cop out.
I'm still in the market to marry Natalie Dormer, but I can't see that happening!

23 Jul 2016 06:10:54
Not a rumour, just a question.
With higuain being priced at £70+ mil, would anyone else prefer wenger to go all out and try to get griezmann for that sort of money? It's what I'd prefer personally but that's only my opinion.
Also, is there any chance of Arsenal looking at jack butland as a long term gk solution?
Thanks.

23 Jul 2016 09:07:26
Griezman is a cracking player but I don't see it happening.
One of the ed's (I forget who, old age affecting the memory! ) said Arsene rejected him back in the day for being too small.

Now he's showing his class, the second it was out that he was 'up for sale' or even that we were trying to buy him, you'd have half of Europe after him.

Personally I think it's a shame Vela never settled in England, because he's very much the sort of player we need, quick, intelligent and a good finisher.

23 Jul 2016 00:09:48
On a positive note rob holding looks a good signing for the future. Not ever seen him but he was voted best bolton player in his first full season and played in the successful u21 toulon squad. let's hope the new manager can make him a star. Sorry all you wenger worshippers, just a little tease. 😈.

23 Jul 2016 08:34:32
A bit like Chambers then?

23 Jul 2016 09:31:26
He made 18more interceptions than anyone else in that league last year apparently.

For the nominal amount we've paid for him, and his age, he's also likely to command a decent sell on fee, should that arise in the future, it's a good buy for me.

It's when we start shopping for forwards in that league I'll get real worried :)

23 Jul 2016 10:22:16
And he's going to play instead of?