Arsenal Banter Archive March 23 2017

 

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23 Mar 2017 20:05:14
Personally I don't blame wenger at all. the players haven't shown the desire or quality whatsoever.
They have the ability but they have let us down and wenger just makes himself the scapegoat.
I also fully blame our fans who instead of supporting our team they criticise and boo their own players. We have been awful at home because the away fans out sing us. That's pathetic. Maybe. Just maybe. If all our fans got behind our players they would perform a whole lot better.
I'm not here for an argument or confrontation but I'm sick of a player having a bad performance and then their whole fan support knocking their confidence. It doesn't matter how much you get paid confidence means everything, and we need to get behind our team to make them better. Not be their biggest critics.

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23 Mar 2017 20:38:18
Makes you wonder why Chelsea sacked Morinho, Liverpool Rogers, Everton Martinez, Utd LVG and moved forwards when it was all down to their fans all along :-)
Maybe Arsenal should set the standard and totally ignore the fans as long as the manager and players are content, oh they are already!

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23 Mar 2017 20:50:10
Yep, I definitely blame the fans, myself included, for not winning Prem League for 13 seasons.

Shame on the same fans for our poor performances in CL.

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23 Mar 2017 22:32:28
I thought both me and you were particularly poor in Munich Dags, i can totally understand Iwobi and Xhaka being totally frustrated by us mate :-)

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23 Mar 2017 22:41:38
The sad thing is he believed the squad could win the league. For years pundits said he need leaders and stronger players. But he wanted to prove them wrong. Wont ever happen.

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23 Mar 2017 23:33:57
Can't believe you missed that sitter G62, lol.

Very true Derby mate.

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24 Mar 2017 11:12:50
I think it's fair to say that booing a player or team probably does little to inspire or help them through a bad patch. Equally it could and maybe should be an inspiration to do better.

That aside confidence is key and bar the opener against Liverpool, a game even with a weakened team, we could and should have won, we started the season pretty well and then Cazorla got injured.

Since that point it seems Wenger didn't or couldn't decide who should be at the heart of our midfield. Coquelin and Cazorla had to me been immense there.

So points get dropped confidence goes and it's hard and I'll include Sanchez in this, to pick one single player who has played anything like to potential this season, they've been collectively woeful.

I can't remember that last game I've gone into feeling confident we are going to win and that I'm afraid in the managers job. As Steve has said many times, pick the side, motivate the side and build them up into winners. Yes they carry some undoubted responsibility but the buck always stops with the manager. Ranieri being a classic recent example.

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24 Mar 2017 17:06:10
I totally agree Stoner, it's beyond me why people pay all that money to boo the team surely it's much better to stay away in the first place.

If the team are giving everything they've got and it just isn't good enough on the day then fair play it's one of those things and they should go and thank the fans for sticking by them and the fans should applaud thier 100% effort, but all to often it doesn't appear that the Arsenal players haven't given everything they've got in far to many games over far to many seasons running now.

I totally understand people not bothering to attend games as they've had enough of the players lack of effort and clubs lack of ambition, what i don't understand is why go to all that expense time and effort to not support them, vote with your feet not with your boos.

If your favourite restaurant suddenly became very hit and miss and you became at least as likely if not more likely to be served up flavourless poorly presented food that was totally different to what you ordered and you were expected to pay £70 a head for the privilege would you keep going back each week on the off chance you might just catch them on a good night or worse still turn up as always so you complain to chef in person or would you stay away and hope the owner got the message and did something about making sure what he was offering was a bit more palatable each and every time in future?

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23 Mar 2017 05:26:17
Hi guys from what i been reading it looks like ozil and sanchez will be sold to give us extra funds to revamp the squad.

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23 Mar 2017 09:51:47
Stephen it makes me laugh and cry. We will get no where near what they are worth and the players replacing will not be at there level. Im very worried mate.

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23 Mar 2017 10:03:25
I don't blame them for wanting out and wouldn't want them to stay if they don't want to be here.

It's a shame because they are two fantastic players who just found themselves at the right club at the wrong time but hey ho we have far bigger things to sort out than just two players futures it's Arsenal football clubs future that is most important.

Let those who aren't good enough or don't want to be here go and let's start again IMO.

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23 Mar 2017 10:29:46
If usmanov was in charge both would be on long term deals on decent wages by now.

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23 Mar 2017 13:02:33
If usmanov was in charge would Arsene be manager still Derby?
If so all that would happen is we'd have two great players on long term deals who were here for the money not the glory we could offer.

I don't care who owners the club or is the manager of the club as long as they are 100% commitment to ending the groundhog day years and breaking up the cosy club gang.

I see little point in changing the engine yet ignoring a faulty steering wheel that continues to take us round and round in circles mate.

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23 Mar 2017 13:12:37
Reports I read simply said contract talks were on hold until the summer when it could well be a new manager doing the negotiations.

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23 Mar 2017 13:52:05
With regards to Usmanov, I guess things might improve short term with all his available cash plus the possibility of David Dein returning to the club, but I would have long term concerns over a single owner having total control over the club. Despite our current frustrations with Kronke, he actually only owns appx 67% of the clubs holding co, which is just over double that owned by Usmanov. This means that a) Kronke can't do as he pleases with the club, and b) there are other shareholders still out there (including the Arsenal Supporters trust) and all shares remain listed, which means the holding co has to issue official annual reports and adhere to corporate law. This at least keeps it all as one entity and would prevent Kronke or Usmanov from asset stripping the club (in the unlikely event they ever wished to do so) . For example if Kronke wants to receive a dividend, then all shareholders, including Usmanov, have to be paid the same rate per share. It also keeps the club and the ground together under the parent co. For Usmanov to get control he would need Kronke to sell, which would result in Usmanov having 96%, which is enough shares to compulsory take out all other shareholders (at the same price) under the takeover rules and completely de-list the holding company. Everything then becomes his to do as he pleases, which for example could include a complete separation of the stadium and team if he wished. This is of course all if's and butts, but I am not convinced a single owner is necessarily the way to go for the club.

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23 Mar 2017 16:54:05
The squad has needed an overhaul for a while now. We've got lots of average players on relatively high wages, it'd be nice to see some of them moved on and others promoted or new players brought in.

If Alexis and Ozil also want to leave then so be it, but hopefully that doesn't impact on the decisions regarding the futures of other squad players.

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23 Mar 2017 19:41:16
I may be wrong but uamanov doesn't own any american sports clubs. Stan does and they win very little. Would wenger be in charge with usmanov in no way he'd be long gone.

I want a single owner its worked for city and chelsea very well.

Ive said for awhile it could take usmanov going to everton for us to go ok we had moshiri and usmanov here and underestimated them.

Id love thoughts on them two guys
And interims of players being here for the cash there here anyway.

Id rather top players on 300k a week then lord bendtner on 52k etc.

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23 Mar 2017 20:20:56
If we want the next 2 seasons to be any better than the last 10 seasons we need to do things differently to what we've done for well over a decade now.
You can't keep doing the same old things that have failed so many times before and suddenly expect a successful outcome​ from them.

Arsene isn't going​ to suddenly change his principles and philosophy on how the game should be played or his opinion of the squad he personally assembled.
Any change that doesn't involve a change of Manager is pointless imo as intimately nothing will change where it matters, on the pitch.

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23 Mar 2017 21:46:23
If we are ever going to really challenge we need big changes in the ownership, board, manager and coaching. If things stay as they are with Wenger we will just coast along in a gradual decline away from the top level teams. We need a massive injection of cash and do what Chelsea and City had to do and spend big. Problem is now is that there are a lot more teams with bottomless pits money making it harder to compete on the transfer market.

With Sanchez and Ozil in the last year of their contract we will never get back what we paid for them. I reckon about
20-25 million each. So who can we get for that 50Mill mark that will make difference? .

Wenger used to be a step ahead in spotting the young talent before they made a name for themselves but not anymore.

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23 Mar 2017 23:59:39
But the worse news is wenger is staying and he is selling them to revamp the squad.

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