Arsenal Banter Archive November 23 2014

23 Nov 2014 22:15:40
When wenger didn't stump up the extra few million for cahill that's when alarm bells started ringing for me.

When I broke in to the local post office that's when they started ringing for me!

23 Nov 2014 22:56:34
Exactly.
He is one of the best centre halves in England, possibly the best.

For me it was losing Fab and that dutch bloke, I felt they knew they couldn't get top trophies with us but had to much respect for Arsene to say that

23 Nov 2014 23:09:55
Jeez Derby,

First you wanted Wilfred Pony, now you want Gary Carthorse.;-)

When sub standard replacemnts were coming in for star names leaving for pastures new ie Henry, Fabregas, Nasri etc that's when I began to get a little incline of what was to come.

Haha. Cahill would walk into our team and I think any prem team tbh.

Hows welbeck doing red dog. U like bonys finish :). Nice touch and slotted home

Spot on derby. For me also why for the life of me when rvp was sold for 25 mil, why did his replacement cost 10 mil instead of adding 10 mil and buying his replacement, to make us better, not worse. We had the money, regardless of what people believe. Says it all for me.

24 Nov 2014 05:58:07
Yeah it was a joke Derby, I like Cahill, he's not the best but way better than Mertesacker.

As for Welbeck, not my cup of tea mate and neither is Bony, we should have way better than both. :-(

I know red dog lol but if I have to pick between the two its bony all day long.

we all need group counselling sessions I think to get through this season, everybody gets a free wenger vodoo doll to stick pins in

23 Nov 2014 19:38:18
Guys

Let's drop the demands for Wenger to go, it isn't going to happen and here's why-

Kroenke won't sack him as long as he keeps the money coming, trophies do not matter to Kroenke

Kroenke will not sanction the pay off Wenger would get if we sacked him

Guys our club right now is run to make money not win trophies so even if Wenger has enough and walks Kroenke will never pay the compensation clubs would demand for klopp, pep, ancelloti, simeone et al so all we will get is a cheap option, class is way less important to our club right now than cash

Let's face it the club is ripping us supporters off for every penny they can without competing and giving us what we pay for-competition for silverware

Until we cure the problems at the top of the club nothing will change

As a season ticket holder I am waiting to see what they do if we fail to make champions league next season. Somehow I cannot see our money grabbing owner cutting any prices!!!

Finish 7th and you have your answer, no income from Euro footie


Get out of that Wenger.

23 Nov 2014 20:57:48
We are turning up at a top class restaurant, paying top class prices and expecting top class food.

The waiter is bringing us a greasy steak and kidney pie, cold chips and lumpy gravy.

Something has to be done.

But, as usual, the board/Wenger know they have the supporters by the hairy twins, so nothing will be done.

Dags you have changed so much in a short space of time lol i'm like a proud dad all be it a few decades younger

Only a fresh influence can help our squad. So much dead wood its untrue

Good post sooper, the only thing we can do is people like you support the team on match days but let your feelings known after or before games, mate. Fans do have a say, if they shout loud enough.

Attend the away games stay away from the home games make ourselves the best and largest away support in the country
Dont buy next seasons shirts etc stick with this seasons or older ones until they listen

23 Nov 2014 22:02:08
Derby,

The Manchester United defeat was a massive disappointment.

I posted earlier, but its gone on 'other posts'.

That result has really hacked me off.

G62 Good post and good ideas

And the entire footballing world thought the Glazers were bad.

The problem stems from higher up than wenger. its those kroenke and gazidis that have ruined this great club, don't blame wenger he's made a few mistakes but its not totally his fault we've had some bad rsults

Im sorry afca14 the results are 100% down to wenger.

23 Nov 2014 18:12:34
not posted for a while as feel so disappointed with things at the moment, so many negative words are being said by so many, a lot of fans are divided and the atmosphere is showing this, so much so that its not fun any more.
so just a bit of fun, not sure if been on here before, in pub last night drowning sorrows with a friend and consoling my 10 year old, who said Dad, why wasn't I born 17 years ago then I could have watched Henry & Bergkamp in the Invincibles. Bless him! So the debate was, who out of the current squad would get into the invincibles squad, we came up with the following:
100%
Alexis for Wiltord
Kos for Keown

The debate raged on the following:
Wilshere for Edu?
Walcott for Kanu?

Thoughts everyone? And if you could all assure my son things will get better!!

23 Nov 2014 19:05:49
I think there would be room for Kos, Sanchez, Rambo, Theo and Ollie in the squad for sure. I would not drop Keown for Kos but put Sanchez in the line up.
Sure the others would have notched up a few spots also but not sure how many of the invincibles I would drop for anyone because as a UNIT they went up beaten and won. I would not drop anyone in the starting 11 for Hazzard, Fab, Costa etc etc
It's not fair to compare to the invincibles

23 Nov 2014 23:44:44
No chance would I drop Keown, the players have said on numerous occasions how important he was in the dressing room and training sessions even though he wasn't a regular starter.
Just imagine what a personality like his could do to the squad we have now!

23 Nov 2014 18:10:54
Bloody hell even spurs can win

23 Nov 2014 19:22:52
Level on points I believe.

Just when I thought my weekend couldn't get any worse, you go and post that lol.

23 Nov 2014 17:45:03
Interesting that Wenger is angry at defence and leaving 2 on 2. Who is he mad at?

23 Nov 2014 17:14:02
Trying to remain positive,

Things will get better once Kos and Debuchy are back.

That's true, that is a glimmer I guess

I think deep down we are all confident that things will get better soon dispite how disappointed we are today.
The big worry for a lot of us is that Arsene will begin to think we don't need to spend and increase the quality in January when results pick up.
That's one of the reasons he has to go, we fear his thinking

62

That is exactly what will happen, Wenger will clear the injury room hey presto the 4th place trophy . sadly

23 Nov 2014 19:06:49
I can see Kos suffering re occurrences with regularity

Kos won't be an Arsenal player next season under Arsene Wenger, he will do what so many of our best players have done and leave for glory before its to late in their careers.
To be fair if he wants to win things before he retires it would be hard to hold it against him

62

You may well be correct there, what's the betting Kos goes, CC stays at CB and Jenks comes back

23 Nov 2014 16:26:32
So, I pick up a paper this morning and read that Jack is being offered a 5 year, £150,000 per week contract.

Now, I'm not anti-Jack, to be fair, he played well, but 3 words spring to mind.

#rub#salt#wound.

23 Nov 2014 17:57:30
No one rewards mediocrity like arsenal!

I mean seriously who out there would take jack and pay him £120k a week? No one, that's who.

23 Nov 2014 19:15:52
I'm a big fan of his but he's not worth that. Plus it's not like any big players are looking to poach him.

23 Nov 2014 16:18:03
welbeck has a low goal scoring record for a reason.i thought these things were chance or a coincidence but if you keenly look at him the guy has a poor touch, only hits straight at the keeper.The same applies to wilshere.how can someone miss such a sitter? no matter how many chances you create, it is pointless if you do not have good finishers and that is why podolski and walcott need to start at least they are better finishers than the rest.my remedy for our disastrous start is this
1.ramsey out.cazorla in.
2.giroud in welbeck out.infact we should send him back to united and ask for a refund.
3.mertasacker out, someone else to partner koscienly.
4.most importantly WENGER MUST GO.klopp.guardiola or simeone in.and let's face it most of our players are not good enough.in the long term ramsey, welbeck, arteta, flamini, mertasacker.scezney out. only gibbs, koscienly.chambers, wilshere, cazorla, ozil, sanchez, giroud should remain.

23 Nov 2014 19:19:24
Cazorla has been useless this season, and has probably missed the highest ratio of chances so far.

Giroud is only coming back from injury so that will take a few weeks

Kosceilny is injured so that's that one out the window.

23 Nov 2014 15:17:30
Very disappointed with the result last night. The passing throughout the match did look good and penetrative but it is very clear we are just not strong enough physically. The only player who can hold off players, dribble and keep the ball at their feet is Sanchez. There are other players like wilshere and ramsey who are good on the ball but do not regularly keep control of the ball. I was extremely underwhelmed with the signing of welbeck because he is not what we need NOW. He probably will come good in a year or two but he is not prolific enough and his control of the ball is poor.
It is also obvious that the defence and midfield do not work together to break down attacks. This is where we need an out and out CDM to break up play and distribute the ball. I also think this will help players like ozil perform better. I think we need to buy at least 1 centre back, probably 2, a CDM and an out an out striker. Then we should go for players like isco, pedro and draxler.
Finally I believe the wenger out brigade really do need to keep it shut. I did think that after the fa cup win we would push on this season but we will definitely get top 4, we could win the fa cup as redemption for not challenging. Wenger has done great for the club, he has basically made the club, from the stadium along with keeping us up there during the debt being payed off. No other manager would do that. I feel we owe him the opputunity to spend the money we are getting now to try and in my opinion succeed in ending his highly successful best ever arsenal manager by a long way tenure

Agree mostly, however Welbeck was signed before Girouds injury I like them both for different reasons but welbeck was not signed as our number 1.

I think the pressure to sign the expensive superstar has told on AW, that's not his talent, plus FFP means we have to be careful with wages.

IMO (for what it's worth) the only big money position should be DM now, I would like to see Chambers at CB along side Koscielny, but more importantly we need to sell some of the high earning/under performers, (Podolski, Cazorla, Rosicky), and be brave enough to play our youngsters once again. We have talent in Gnabry, Campbell, Sanogo etc in attacking positions which would be much better on the bench than these guys, don't get me wrong I love Podolski and Cazorla but they are not bench players and should be sold to free up salary for top players in the positions we need .

23 Nov 2014 16:37:21
The opportunity to spend the money? He spend almost £120m in 12mnts!

And he didn't buy in the places we all know he should have strengthened. The places you've just mentioned!

23 Nov 2014 13:53:56
About todays poll.Yesterday I was on the opinion that Arsenal was a bit unlucky.Today I woke up to reallity.Was it bad luck when every single shot landed in DeGeas arms?Was it bad luck when United scored at the time when Gibbs and Shez went for a dance in the moonlight?Was it bad luck when Alexis dropped the ball trying to get through in the centre, leading to a second?Locking at this match isolated maybe, but in this case we have been unlucky for several years now.It feels like we have a car and a driver but no stearingwheel at the moment.Any ideas for a quickfix apart from the obvious one?

You can't isolate yesterdays game and call it bad luck. Every game a team gets bad luck, that's football. Yesterdays game was about poor game management as it has been for years now. The players are rudderless and have no idea about sensing danger and stiffling the oppositons strenghths. From corners we had sancez on fellaini. With 20 minutes to go we had 2 on 2 at the back, we were pushing mertasacker forward to get involved in build ups, the worst thing that can happen to us is we get a corner. I get nervous when we get a corner, because all we do is leave smal slow players back and teams relish breaking against us. Whe will people realise we have a team that are not coached.

23 Nov 2014 16:19:28
Post of the year Steve.

Well, apart from all my posts of course :-)

23 Nov 2014 11:25:09
I honestly believe Wenger thinks there isn't much wrong, he will blame key injuries and say be patient but I think this could be the season we finish outside the top 4 . unless Wenger breaks a habit of a lifetime and goes in search of someone in December we can forget it .

The more I think about it the more puzzled I am about the Summer transfer window.who could have thought it was a good idea to sell, Sagna, Jenkinson and TV and only get a player who has played 20 PL games, didn't anyone challenge Wengers thoughts??

Even with Arsene we are in the best of the rest group mate along with utd Liverpool Everton spurs and possibly Southampton West Ham Swansea, only chavs and city are obviously way above us.
All the best of the rest group want to A be in the top 4 this season and B close the gap on the top two teams next season and beyond.
With the current situation at each club regards manager, finance's and current squad I'd say utd are the most likely to bridge that gap before the rest then its take ya pick from Arsenal Liverpool Everton spurs as to who gets there next and for different reasons each has a s good as chance as the other as they are all so far from a real title challenge things could go either way for any of them and us
Personally I think that's the reality of how things truly areand as much as we love Arsenal and are biased we have to be honest with our self's

So now we are down with spurs Everton Southampton W Ham and Swansea, says it all really.

That's the reality Banbury mate, accept it and try and change it is the only way denying it has done us no good at all

23 Nov 2014 10:42:06
For some reason Ed does not print my posts.
They are not offensive they just tell the truth.

It is time for Wenger to step down.
He was great for us in the past when his football philosophy was new and fresh. But now every team now how to play against us because we are using the same format as we did 15 years ago but with slightly lesser players.
Man for man we have better players than every team except City and Chelski but why can the other teams managers get better performances out of their players and get them to defend like devils where Wenger can't get the same level of performance from our better players.
Why is it that every game we leave 2 on 2 at the back, we have the tallest but slowest CB in the division, ' monorail' only has one way of playing and that is c**p, no wonder we conceed so many goals on a counter attack.
Pundits and experts were saying years ago that we don't have a plan B. It's true we still don't have a plan B.
Wenger is too stubborn to change and every other team has worked him out, this is why he has to go.
But the worse thing about this is that it is only a few things that need to be changed in our team and we will be back on track again but Wenger will not change his philosophy for anything.
Also he is under no pressure from the board so why would he change.
My wish for a new manager is Klopp but that cannot happen until the end of the season, by that time we would have finished outside of the top 4.
I do believe we have the players to mount a better challenge we still have over 75 points to play for. Wenger either change your ideas or leave.

{Ed025's Note - this is the first post i have recieved from you mate, maybe other eds have had them..

How you been sending them old timer? Carrier pigeon? Telegram?

Only playing :-)

{Ed025's Note - one came through by morse code.. :)

Message in a bottle.
I'm stranded on a desert island

23 Nov 2014 10:13:33
If we did a Utd next year and got a new manager in the door and blew a £150million budget to get us back on top what would be your ideal team to take us forward?

The only people who would make the first 11 from our current crop for me would be Kos, Gibbs (still not full sold on him yet), Debuchy, Ramsay (maybe could benefit from better players around him), Ozil, OX, Sanchez and possibly Walcott.

Any suggestions?

I think Gibbs typifies this Arsenal side Van, we all love him because he's ours and we want him to be good enough so much we pretend he is much like Mert of last season we ignore the bad bits and celebrate the good bits for more than there worth because we like and respect the players and how much they love the club.
The reality is grim but has to be faced if we're ever to be champions again

23 Nov 2014 08:27:49
EDS My point was poorly made yesterday, the reason why we are comparing ourselves against 'lesser' clubs, is because we are a 'lesser' club.

We have a big stadium, a big following in a big ciry.

We are becoming a little club with little ambition.

We are trying to con people into thinking we are still Arsenal of 9 / 10 years ago.

Fraud springs to mind.

DAGS
Yes I did say we need to finish outside the top 6, the board need a wake up call. Two things will happen.

1) The board we realise their manager is no longer capable of being successful .

2) They will keep the faith and understand you can't just buy one 30+ million player a season and build slower than a snail can run.

I am in a perverse way happy I am afraid we need to have a season like the Mancs have just had .

The reality is Man U have overtaken in the league and on the pitch. I find it quite amusing that some of you keep saying how poor they are not thinking we are as bad.

The difference between Utd and us is they will not allow themsleves to fall into the trap of being trophieless for a decade. Winners breed winners and we are don't have any winners amongst our team.

How many of our squad have actually won a a league title in their careers?

3 or 4?

23 Nov 2014 10:24:28
I accept there are those like you that want to revel in a pathetic start to the season, predict draws, want loses and failure and believe others wear some kind of red tinted glasses rather than your own poo stained ones.

I have said before that I don't have to whine like some kind of girl because things are not going as I hoped and appreciate that this could be a total disaster of a season nor do I need to be told to shush and listen whilst you tell me that.

A team with a spine as yesterday of Szczesny, Mertesacker, Arteta, Ramsey (on current form) and Welbeck wouldn't be out of place (and no disrespect) under the names of Hull, Swansea or Stoke. Thus will never win a major trophy.

Wenger is making us as fans look like cotal tunts, he is turning a legacy into a farce and it has been a long time since I have been able to actually listen to him speak, I'll read what he says but that's it.

Their is no doubt that players are not performing but the buck stops with Wenger.

To take 1 point from a possible 9 from a beyond pathetic United this season and last is simply a disgrace.

Welbeck may be a nice guy but the £16 million could and should have been put to a far better defensive use.

So I am not deluded nor gullible as I've previously said but this is my Arsenal, I want them to win EVERY game, never will I want them to draw let alone lose. NEVER will I want them to miss out on a Champions League place and NEVER will I try to give someone an opinion that isn't there own.

I want us to turn this around and no team can miss Ozil, Koscielny or Debuchy and it not make a difference but I see what we need, we needed it in the summer it's highly unlikely that we'll get it until next, will we then, who knows.

I'm up for talking about anything re Arsenal I just find it of some of the stuff written by you cringeworthy but that's my opinion.

I remain of the opinion that a top quality CB to replace Mertesacker and the same for a DM to replace Arteta/Flamini would make this team so so much better.

That doesn't hide the fact that we have started to accrue another group of players that in previous seasons have been described as deadwood, not by me, I'd add.

Replacements on top of those two are needed for Rosicky, Podolski, Diaby etc the latter no matter how much he tries is likely never to play for us again. Ospina needs to get game time and off the bloody injury table too.

You cannot have 9 seasons of buying cheap whilst others buy big and expect to turn that around in an instant.

Whether Wenger remains to do it or A N other this is my Arsenal, I'm behind them no matter what, we have the ground, the facilities and the fan base to win things again with a group of players to which the right additions can go on to do just that.

If you actually believe, irrelevant to the result, that United have a better group of players than us, I seriously doubt you ever played football.

It is not my intention to offend you Banbury but that is probably the worst of all your negative posts about your own club, to take pleasure in our potential demise mate is shocking.

But as inevitable as United's 2nd goal was, so was something like that from you.

23 Nov 2014 10:50:27
No team could cope with those injures? Hmm, we've had to many to count this season mate and having played Chelsea, city, Everton and yourselves find ourselves in 4th above u.

Last night we beat u with a right winger at wingback and a left winger on opposite side, couple that with a 18 and 20 yr old in the back line and young Wilson on for 25 mins and we came to your own backyard and won.

Maybe no team could cope and maybe some teams cope better?

Not offended mate, but we will carry on with mediocrity unless the board get a REAL wake up call, losing the Euro income will be the only way, we need to go back to go forward is the only was.

In a way it was what happened to UTD and they have reacted with a quality Manager world class forwards, the defenders will arrive that is for sure, that is the sort of club they are.

" in our POTENTIAL" the demise is all ready realised .

You are kidding yourself if you think it hasn't been reached

RED

Who has said UTD have a better group of players?? not me, I just said they were better than us. very different thing mate.

And if you don't understand that, you must have just been dropped on the planet.

Banbury just sees it as it is reddog nothing wrong with that.

Youv tried to positive all season and I respect that but we all saw this comin in the summer

I do Derby, no point in burying one's head in the sand.

Reality is 'if' we finish 4th then its another trophy for Wenger and we roll on to the next season, patting ourselves on the back.

But hey at least Wenger feels sorry for the fans .

Cheers Arsene

23 Nov 2014 13:01:27
My sentiments exactly Red Dog

Fair point mate but now is not a good time to be fishing mate, with all due respect.
Well done for yesterday mate but give it a bit of time now

23 Nov 2014 16:06:16
Ahhh bless ya g62 mate, ok I'll leave u all alone now it's been fun, well for me. 😊

23 Nov 2014 06:52:10
First time poster here. Long time reader. In a way a stalker.

Yesterday's (yesternight's?) match was a game between two world war veterans, in that, both aren't half of what they used to be, but people still think highly of them. There was no big game player on the pitch, which is probably because this wasn't a big game (This could be called the football paradox. Your welcome.)

Regarding Arsenal's current situation. It sucks. Nothing else to it. Too many losses and draws, but this we all know. And, surprise surprise. So does Wenger. I find it hard to believe that he doesn't give a crap, like many on the internet say. I also don't think he's under no pressure or that he's just wiling away his time. Why would he? If he's worked his arse off for nearly 18 years, why would he stop now? As fans, we can do little. Sacking him now will leave us worse off than before. And it's unlikely we're going to get Pep or Simeone or Klopp to Arsenal anytime soon.

There's a lot going on. Andres Jonker is doing his bit with the youth setup. In a few years' time, we'll have quality players coming out of our own system. Issac Hayden, Pleuguezelo (I hope the spelling's right), Akpom. We need to be patient. Perhaps he's going to take the helm from Arsene. And maybe Dennis will come back as the youth coach (And so will Henry)

With regards to who we have, this squad is brilliant. They in ways, complement each other. Yes, they're in a slump. But stick with them and they'll come through. Ramsey did, Jack's looking real good with each game, Szczeny is getting better. Arteta has shown his importance in the team. Gibbs is finally getting recognition for his talents.

And finally, regarding the transfers. Wenger can't really buy players like we can on FIFA. Yes, other managers get who they want, yada yada yada. But look, defensively we need a CB. That's all. Take a hard look at Chambers. Tell me in 3 years, he isn't going to be the doggamn best CDM in the world. He can pass, he can dribble, he can tackle and he can read the game like you guys are reading this post. He could be as good as Lahm (better physically), if he continues this way.

In conclusion, I'm not going to get stuck in the Wenger In or Wenger Out vortex. I'm going to wait patiently, support Arsenal, ignore persons and continue the way I always have.

Either way, Cheers fellow Gooners (our kind is in short supply where I live)

23 Nov 2014 07:49:07
Welcome to the site!

Nice post.

Ooh new poster, VW? Damian? Those are my guesses. And I reckon you're a free lance writer

Nice post mate.

I don't entirely agree with everything but it's good to see that there are still optimistic fans among us.

Welcome!

23 Nov 2014 04:48:38
Hi gooners. First time post.
I will start by saying. We need change especially in management. Wenger has done well for us but its time he goes. And for those who say there's no viable option around, why not try getting kloop and if not I would go for rapael benitez as it is. Players like carzola rosicky diaby flamini coquelin should all be replace. Mertesacker shouldn't be a starter and scz should be second choice to ospina.its really sad. When was the last time we actually beat a team convincingly? Its sad

Id rather close the clubs gates sell off the stadium, the land and go support spurs than have that fat mess manage us. Let him return to liverpool we don't need him

23 Nov 2014 01:14:36
I've been saying it for ages, please read my previous posts; firstly Wenger is done, get him out of there and get a man manager in, Rijkaard is my first pick. Secondly, Giroud is our first pick striker, his all round capability is better than anyone else we have. Thirdly, Wilshere is a liability and shouldn't make the starting 11, he is simply not good enough and is to much of a hot head - he should have been sent off tonight.

I'm getting fed up with this arsenal, same story, every week and no remedy.

I hope Wenger doesn't sleep a wink tonight!

Rijkaard is definitely not the way to go. I agree that Wengers time is up but if we are going to replace him it has to be with someone better than Rijkaard.

FR has won it all as a player and manager. He also built the foundation of the best ever Barcelona team. He absolutely knows his football, would command respect and would, I think, bring the changes we need.

He is in a similar league to Wenger. Past his best. His Barca team were superb back then but then again with the players at his disposal the trophies were always going to go the the camp nou. What has he done since he left Barca?

23 Nov 2014 00:10:20
I am sad and shocked by what we are witnessing. don't let's kid our selves this is not going to get any better. I does pain me to say it but we are stuck with a guy who has just been given a golden ticket for three years. We are going to have to put up with this for a long while to come. There are so many problems its embarrassing. Very loyal people have been supporting this guy and hoping it will come good. I wish I was wrong, but i'm sorry to say you loyal fans of wenger, move on. We are scared mentally, we are weak mentally and we are weak physically. The players are not coached in game management, or game tactics and we are naive. We are loyal to players who are not good enough and we are a million mmiles from being a force again. We do need changes, first the manager, second the owner and third most of the playing staff.
But we all know that won't happen. I am a fan and a supporter orf this club, but i'm afraid i'm getting bored with it. I said it a few weeks back, we are not a big club any more, with big ideas. Our stock is falling.

23 Nov 2014 02:43:37
im so disenchanted I can barely bring myself to watch a game anymore,we are now out of the woods (financially) thanks arsene.now its time for change change change!