Arsenal Banter Archive October 23 2014

23 Oct 2014 21:03:10
I think Sanchez, s face at full time said it all.Monreal at cb for gods sake and then AW taking credit for the masterly substitutions that won us the game, that's the downside, but Poldi face when he got the winner that cheered me up no end.Sanchez apart that performance was effing awful.

Sanchez could be heading for legend status. He needs a few more legends around him.

24 Oct 2014 05:51:56
Talking of faces, did you not see Falcao's when he was sat on the bench watching the Gaalactico's.

That was priceless! :-)

Sanchez is the proverbial bees knees though, if you had to chose though, would you rather him and Walcott either side of Welbeck or Giroud. I know Welbeck has the speed but would Giroud be there ideal foil?

Ed01 if you're up and about who would you chose?

{Ed001's Note - I would choose Giroud over Welbeck, especially if he was being aided by Walcott and Sanchez. Sanchez is a truly special player. I just feel Giroud offers better link up play and is more suited to Arsenal's game than Welbeck, who is just not good enough for a top team as anything other than cover for injuries.}

Sorry, no Giroud for me. Off the bench for me. If I wasn't afraid of being slated I would tell everyone that I would sell him asap lol. He is useless for me and does not deserve to be in the Arsenal starting 11. My front three would be: Sanchez Walcot Ox. Danny off the bench. Walcot upfront could work like a charm

You'd sell Giroud? Are you insane? His physical presence and link up play are vital to our team, there are few occasions where walcott or welbeck up front alone would work better. I'd like to see giroud with sanchez and walcott either side, now that will be a much better sight than anything we've seen so far this season ;)

Im with rue. Giroud isn't very good. If madrid fancy a new striker soon i'd get benzemza. Higuain over giroud still for me.

23 Oct 2014 18:33:31
DAGS me old mate

You would have posted differently if we had lost and we should have, we deserved nothing and should have had nothing, we played a side that have been getting battered they are a poor side.

It has papered over the cracks. . . . again

23 Oct 2014 19:03:37
Bambam,

You are probably correct, but the way we are playing, we have to take each game one at a time.

Let's embrace the positive results and talk about/dissect the bad results.

23 Oct 2014 19:29:19
I must admit bam bam, I was shocked at how u struggled. I had u down for 3/4 nil all day long.

In the past faced with loss of form and confidence I always remember arsenal papering over the cracks in more ruthless and swashbuckling style, today it seems totally different. I wonder if there is a little loss of confidence in wengers management atm from the players?

23 Oct 2014 20:03:14
Chris,
Even when I think you are being serious, I'm pretty certain you are taking the pi55 lol

23 Oct 2014 20:57:17
😜 I'm always serious dags.

But that was a serious post mate.

23 Oct 2014 21:59:01
We are playing poorly at the moment Chris.

A few too many injuries, players playing out of position, lack of confidence, but we will come good mate.

And there's the sudden change in temperature, clocks about to change, the euro not performing well and the worrying rise of Ukip Dags you forgot them mate :-).
The injuries of course are a problem but its becoming our annual get out of jail card

Dags

Players playing out of position. Ozil?

You can't use that as an excuse, Wengers chooses to do it :)

But understand your point

24 Oct 2014 12:05:42
Despite the source (I kid, Chris 😉) I was wondering the same thing. Has Arsene lost the players, or at least a few key ones, at the moment? They just don't seem up for it, they aren't connected, there's no sense of urgency or direction. Something seems more off than usual.

23 Oct 2014 16:27:29
Hello all, been a bit.
Is anyone else seeing parallel chatter about Ramsey and Wilshire in the same midfield along with Lampard and Gerrard for the national team? To me it seems very close. England went through a couple of managers that never really figured that one out. Is it doable? Is it a lost cause? I'm not sure. Barca, Real and others seem to be able to field these kinds of players at once so I'm not sure why we look at times goofy doing it.
Food for thought.

Totally agree. Ramsey and Wilshere have the same "style" of play

23 Oct 2014 16:52:46
The problem is twofold. First problem is the fact that Jack is simply not good enough. There, I've said it.

Hes an above average player and that's it.
Second problem is wenger doesn't see this and is changing the team shape to accommodate jack - putting ozil left so jack plays central, playing this 4.1.4.1so he has players behind him to cover him

Weve been our best when he's not on the pitch.

Dan crowley is the future in my view he will be better than jack. Would I play ramsey and jack together. No

23 Oct 2014 20:04:35
One for the future Derby mate

23 Oct 2014 14:08:40
Or does not say I should have said

23 Oct 2014 12:26:12
I don't understand why there is so much negativity on this place with yests win, utd have been doing it for years, and that shows character? not playing well and getting 3 points. And as Arsenal do it call for wengers head. Great u guys are a piece of art

Negativivity stemming from the following:

1. Not re-inforcing glaring deficiencies at CDM and CB. For one of he top managers in the world to say the players were not available is too flimsy an excuse

2. Number of injuries incurred. No matter what excuse Wenger comes up with, there is definitely something wrong with our training/conditioning methods

3. We are 11 points off the league leaders after only 8 games

4. We have played 8, won 2, drawn 5 and lost 1

5. We have scored 13 goals and conceded 11. We have a goal aggregate of +2 after 8 games

6. We have drawn with Leicester, Hull, and Tottenham. Back in out glory days, we used to disdainfully hit such teams for 5 or more

7. One of the best attacking midfielders in the past 4 years or so was purchased for an Arsenal record and is(was) now being played on the wing

8. In the tough matches, our coach is reluctant to substitute players and try different things or change tactics

9. We play zonal marking when we know Per will struggle against pace

Am in a bit of a rush so those are a few of the reasons for the pessimism here. The other guys can add more I am sure. Maybe you can give me a few reasons for optimism because I am struggling to be optimistic right now

23 Oct 2014 16:37:26
Utd used to do it at the arse end of a season, then the following week theyd go and batter someone and at the end of the seadon theyd win a cup or two.

Drawing comparisons to utd, I mean ffs how can you compare that $h!t show last night to what utd used to do? Blinded by loyalty.

We have been terrible in every game, and Anderlecht are one of the worst sides in the competition. If they were in the prem theyd finish bottom.

Very good points Rue

23 Oct 2014 09:41:05
Anyone seen alexis' reaction at final whistle?

Need more like him. God knows what he thinks of this team he's in right now

Top top player

23 Oct 2014 07:48:07
It's a funny game. We won the FA Cup & Charity Shield. Assuming we beat Anderlecht at home & Dortmundt beat Galatasaray, we will have qualified for the last 16 of the CL, after 4 matches. Did we seriously envisage winning the group? We have only lost one Premier League match & are 2 points off 4th place. In all reality do we expect to finish above Chelsea or Man City? Our rivals for the 'remaining' two top four places, Liverpool & Man U, have not had great starts either. If we can get a run going before Christmas, there is no reason why we can't go up the table into 3rd place. We have Walcott due back soon, Giroud ahead of schedule, Debuchy hopfully back in December and Ozil in January. If Wenger signs a centre back & a defensive midfield player in the next window, I am quietly optimistic. Let's stop being negative and get firmly behind Wenger & the team. It could be far worse, look at Tottenham!

I was with you up until the last two lines Robbie, yes because the other also rans are far from looking good I can see it's not to late to get 3rd still ( incredibly) and qualifying from our group ( not winning it by finishing above Dortmund, that's crazy talk) but dispite looking awful we can still live up to our preseason potential of top 3 and CL last 16.
As for January and Arsene doing what he should have done in the summer I need to see it before I can even think of believing it and get behind Arsene? How about he gives us some reasons to do so!
People aren't bored by Wenger because he's been around so long their angry and have no trust in him because of his actions and inactions, I'd say if ever a man got what they deserve Arsene's getting it now.
Arsene's not been unlucky he's performed unbelievably badly in his job and anyone else but him would be under very serious pressure from his board

23 Oct 2014 08:27:45
Great post Robbie.
Spot on mate.

Gunner62 - I note your comments and at times I too am critical of Wenger, but overall, he is a top manager. Would anyone else be able to compete with the spending power of Man City & Chelsea? Never mind the funds Man U & Liverpool have spent. We have excellent training facillities which are going to be overhauled, a magnificent virtually paid for new stadium, we are the current FA Cup holders, we have qualified for the CL during every year of Wenger's reign. Yes, he should have bought a central defender & a defensive midfield player in the last window, but he did make 5 quality signings, which isn't easy. The season hasn't gone quite to plan, but we have won the Charity Shield, have virtuallt qualified for the last 16 of the CL & are a couple of points off a top four position. The first 8 matches of the PL were not easy, having played the top two teams, plus Everton & Tottenham. let's look again at the end of the year.

If we somehow go on an unbeaten run until January, then no way in hell will Wenger look to strengthen the team in the window

Robbie I totally respect where your coming from mate and have wish to change your views on Arsene even though I no longer share them.
Compete with Man city and Chelski? when did they last happen? We haven't competed at the very top for an awful long time only for a CL place and let's face it when was that not Squeaky bum time during the run in.
I have doubted Arsene's tactics for a long time now and some of his decisions are bizarre at best but this time there was money available because it's been spent (70 mil) but sadly not where it was most deffinately needed.
Money and transferless aside Mesut Ozil on the wing? All of football is asking that question along with the DM one and the two CB's to last a season one amongst others.
I admire your loyalty Robbie and as said have no wish to take that from you but just can't share it any longer, for me its time for change before it's too late, which I believe will prove to be the 15/16, to me Arsene leading that is very scary thought

Why is it wrong to think we can't finish above Man C & Chelsea? This is the myth holding us back. We are NOT a poor club in any way we have 2 very wealthy owners management is all about using resources, are we using ALL of ours to the best end? Over 100mil in the bank & we field a 3rd choice keeper! Come on that just ain't right. Ospina has his 2nd injury now why does this keep happening to us. The old story avail urge to invest in key areas is costing us time and again in any other industry that is unforgivable. The tatics ain't working & haven't for too long. Looking at Spurs suffering as the always doesn't mean we cat be better. They should be looking up at us wining games with power & style getting frustrated at the fact that they haven't done it for 40 odd yrs. something still needs to change at the club

Its sad thing about wenger that if we look good going into jan he won't buy. And that's the sad thing about him. Top2 by the way. No chance

23 Oct 2014 12:46:52
Wenger's win percentage has been higher than any other of our previous managers for each season he has been in charge. including Chapman and Graham. I don't disagree that there are things that frustrate and that we didn't address the areas we needed to in the summer, but to say he has 'performed unbelievably badly' is just an over reaction. The club tried to bring in a MF and DF but it didn't happen. that is obvious to see from Wenger's interviews.
It is what it is, every single one of our midfeild and attacking players would get a game at another top side, as would Kos and Gibbs. The players are not performing well, why does that automatically mean that Wenger should leave? The formation change is so slight, any player erning over 1k a week should be able to adapt. The buck for me stops with the players. Each team sheet reads well and shows you on paper that we should beat most teams in the league. Confidence brings top performaces, support the club, the players and the manager. I predict a long time out of the top 4 should Wenger move on with out handpicking and handing over to a manager of his annd the clubs choice.

Louis1913

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22 Oct 2014 22:46:35
Amazing how quickly a lot of people have turned from arsene we trust to Arsene out in 5months. Seems when we struggle people jump on that band wagon. Anyway still I have faith in him however he does have a lot to answer for. I do also think the players need to look at themselves. Too many underperforming. It all just seems a mess doesn't it. However will a new manager change things? I can see many cons to doing that. And some pros.

For the record guys when I say I have faith in Arsene I am standing right next to that fence lately. Just not got on it yet lol.

Iv been wenger out for a while now. We need change

23 Oct 2014 10:09:43
As much as I say I want him to stay I totally understand why people want him out. Just worries me what kind of direction we go in after. My top 2 I would love Simone or klopp. And that's if he had to go

1st preference would be for Arsene to evolve and sort the issues himself but failing that, Lowe or Martinez for me.

Hes a dinosaur though and hasn't evolved quick enough so hel end up dying out lol