Arsenal Banter Archive August 24 2017

24 Aug 2017 19:08:02
it's all well and good letting players like Alexis and Ox and letting them see out their contracts but you have to question the motivations of players who have made it clear that they do not want to be at the club.

24 Aug 2017 19:32:07
The Ox better be motivated or else he will not be going to the world cup! If he doesn't perform Bellerin is a more than decent FB and Iwobi is just as good up top.
I don't worry about Sanchez form as he's actually world class! At least we had him for 4 years:) He's done more than the Ox has and will ever do. I don't mind players wanting to leave or demanding high wages as long as they do the business on the pitch to a high consistent standard anybody who doesn't is easily replaceable.

24 Aug 2017 19:58:03
What does everyone see in Iwobi? Sorry but the lad has 1 good 2 okish games and 7 virtually invisible games every 10 he plays, there is simply no comparison between Iwobi and Rashford or Ali so he shouldn't be good enough for our first team.
Xhaka and Iwobi what is it about them?

24 Aug 2017 20:22:28
Xhaka and Iwobi are squad players until they prove otherwise. I don't think either is better than Ox nore is he much better than them. The difference with Iwobi is he is at the beginning of his development yet the Ox is in the middle of his. If he doesn't sign a new contract I'd rather Arsenal played Iwobi to further his development quicker as we will need him on form to prepare for Sanchez and oxs inevitable departure. The Ox is playing a dangerous game leading up to the world cup as Arsenal have plenty of players who can do a similar job.

24 Aug 2017 21:07:58
I see what your saying but where would Iwobi get game time but with Arsenal? Burnley Brighton? Certainly not Chelsea Utd City Spurs Liverpool or Everton there for sure, same question about Xhaka? Yet many are happy to build a team around him and incorporate Iwobi into it.
Sorry but until we expect the same from all our players as the teams who win and compete for titles we will always be on the outside looking in.

24 Aug 2017 21:20:28
Gunner I think the "club" have managed over the years to lower some people expectation. The fourth place trophy attitude.

24 Aug 2017 21:42:36
I don't rate him at all.

24 Aug 2017 22:08:14
Without meaning to be sure to anyone Steve for a very big club we have very low satisfaction levels and that includes many of the fans.
No one at Liverpool City Chelsea Utd will all be thinking of last 16 in the Champions league as success and along with Spurs none of their fans will see 4th and 10+ points behind the champions as premier league success, but an awful lot of Arsenal fans will see regaining 4th and 15 points behind the winners as a very good season as top of course will Arsene and the board.
We have forgotten what it takes to be considered a big club by anyone but ourselves.

24 Aug 2017 22:11:15
I won't knock iwobi but he has a lot of improving to do and we can't just say let's rely on him to replace a player. We won't ever win the league with hope.

24 Aug 2017 17:32:10
Both Manchester clubs dodged a bullet.

24 Aug 2017 16:09:59
Let Chamberlin Go - Give Iwobi and Nelson a go in his role - they both want to play for Arsenal - Remember the name on the front of the shirt is mightier than the one on the back!

24 Aug 2017 18:25:02
Iwobi a chance as a wingback? What are you on.

24 Aug 2017 16:04:56
Great to see Sanchez back for Liverpool. If we can sign a center back or two and a couple of holding midfielders before sunday, Bob's your auntie.

24 Aug 2017 16:24:28
Steve mate the last DM we had was Gilberto silva and that was 13 years ago.

24 Aug 2017 17:21:10
Actually we've had several since then who've not been good enough but I see your point. Coq not a DM? Was song not?

24 Aug 2017 19:04:28
Malaga, coquelin is a DM.

24 Aug 2017 13:12:37
R. G. I'm getting smashed in a pub in down town Chiswick waiting for the champions league draw, who do you think you will be playing Madrid, psg, Barcelona oops sorry your draw is tomorrow when you'll be mixing it with the likes of Astana, Istanbul and one of my favourite European teams hapoel BEER sheva lol. I also see we are spending more money than you lot while building the biggest football ground in London says it, all R. G. the pain at the Arsenal is here to stay and I'm loving it.

24 Aug 2017 14:20:09
I think we should rename you raver61, to celebrate nearly 60 year of failure.
I will be going to Monaco on Saturday as I have an apartment there. I may go back for the EL draw later in the year, to see who the Toot get when they are knocked out of the CL early, just like last year at their new home of failure, Wembley. The place where we collected two more trophies this year, the FA Cup and the Community Shiled. Go on raver61 tell us all how many trophies the toot have won during your lifetime? As you well know the pain at the lane and now Wembley just goes on, 1961, yes 1961 and waiting.

24 Aug 2017 14:43:42
Rg61 you are a genius I have just worked you out . You set up another account in the name of the raver and post really weak spurs jargon to then come in with your real username RG61 and lay the fake spurs user to dust 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻.

24 Aug 2017 15:04:21
Champions league Smampsons league who even cares
We are hosting Donny Rovers in the league cup so Na Na, N Na Na Mr Raver ;-)

24 Aug 2017 18:27:06
Your spending more money than us? Where?

24 Aug 2017 18:44:17
Lol, he should have waited for the draw. Now he will be joining you guys soon. Karma gets you in the end. @the raver.

24 Aug 2017 10:57:18
I'm with you gunner. The only player I am going to be sad to see leave is Sanchez. Ozil at times is amazing and others frustrating. He will look better in less combative league. As for the Ox, he has potential but the club shouldn't be held to ransom based purely on "potential" he has never held a regular place as there was always better options. I worry that if he signs a long term deal we'll have another Walcott on our hands and I don't think squad players should be the top earners. Iwobi is a mofe than adequate replacement for The Ox and actually wants to be at Arsenal. Fans and media are making a big deal of Arsenal letting 3 players contracts run down. The reality is this will become the norm as it puts more power in the players hands when negotiating contracts. Also if a player wants to leave they will regardless of how many years they have left on there contract. Also players know that wages are increasing at such a rate that whatever contract they sign now could be dwarfed in a couple of years. So now potentially great players try to demand world class fees before they actually reach that level.

24 Aug 2017 11:28:27
The way I see it is the club and the player agree a contract and are both bound to each other for the duration of that contract unless both parties agree to end the contact.
If a player turns out to be less than what the club had hoped he would the club are stuck with him unless he wants to leave too and it's the same in reverse if a player is brilliant and the club isn't then the player is stuck with the club unless they agree to let him go.
Surely the way forward is it a player has a 5 year deal then either extend or cash in while the club still has the upper hand, the club has 30 to 50 players under contract to chose from while the player can not play play for anyone but the club they are contracted to and 2 years without kicking a ball is a very long time for any player to wait and his options would be much less attractive at the end of thoss two years.
It's only in the final year players get real power over the club.

24 Aug 2017 12:18:36
I understand what you're saying gunner62, but let's be honest lots of us sign a contract of employment, but if we don't like the job we change who we work for, why should it be any different for sports stars.

24 Aug 2017 12:37:45
Because they have a transfer fee and we don't gunnerwin mate :-)
Unfortunately I've never found anyone will to come up with £200 let alone 200 million to get my services :-)

24 Aug 2017 06:40:32
As we enter the last 7 days of the transfer window, we should learn today whether Oxlade wants to stay. My gut feeling is that neither he nor Sanchez want to stay and we have a problem in that we are probably the only top 7 club that no longer has the pull of a manger the players want to play for. Yes, they probably respect him, but that isn't enough to keep them happy.
The other worry is that the 'noise' regarding Mustafi departing is growing. Having somewhat surprisingly sold Gabriel for a measly £10m, the last thing we need to do is sell another experienced CB, although nothing Wenger does surprises me any longer. We look like going into the season with none of the three rebels having signed new deals, Ox likely to have departed and Sanchez and Ozil running down their deals.

24 Aug 2017 09:17:51
Niether Sanchez or Ox will be Arsenal players by the time the window shuts, we've made them both a big increase in wages but niether wants to be at Arsenal anyone more and keeping players who so obviously don't want to be here seems counter productive to me.
Mesut is like you say simply going to run down his contract and without any real interest in him ( surprisingly ) we have no choice but to let him.
Mustafi if the rumours are true isn't a happy chappy at Arsenal but he will have to put up with it unless Arsene thinks he can get a replacement, personally I'd cash in at 35 million on a player who after a decent start soon faded and looked extremely average most of last season, especially if he also didn't want to be here.
Sanchez is irreplaceable but the Ox has never been a regular starter, Ozil people never stop moaning about anyway and Mustafi? As long as we sign a replacement him leaving or staying is no big deal really imo.

24 Aug 2017 10:07:46
Our players are not renowned for a fighting spirit and collective determination in the pitch so I don't see how keeping so many want away players is going to be good for the squads already questionable togetherness and attitude.
I just can't understand why we haven't had a clear out of all players who don't want to be here and those who we no longer consider good enough and brought in replacements who do want to play for us, surely this summer was the perfect time to do that as we seem to simply be storing up more problems for next summer already if we keep lots of unhappy players for one more season and let them go for free at the end of the season.
If we'd been proactive rather then reactive and took control of the situation this season might not have been brilliant but we might have been able to come back in a lot better shape this time next year.

24 Aug 2017 11:20:52
Absolutely, it's odd that we retain players that are simply not good enough for so long and now Wenger is complaining about the huge squad, when there are players that should have been moved on some time ago and a number of players that have been allowed enter the final year of their contract.
Outs: Debuchy, Gibbs, Campbell, Akpom, Lucas and possibly Chambers.
Last year of contracts: Ozil, Oxlade, Wilshere, Gibbs and Sanchez - possibly others?
Quite frankly this is dreadful management.

24 Aug 2017 11:41:28
July was the last real opportunity to sort everything out one way or the other with players, Sanchez and Ox should have signed extensions or been sold, the no longer wanted players should have been let go at prices that covered their loss of earnings, for example if a player stood to lose 2 million by joining a new club drop the transfer fee by 2 million to make the deal acceptable to his new club and the player himself.
If we lost 7 or 8 players this July we would have had plenty of time to replace them but now? Well it's not looking wonderful for either this season or next when we have so many players leaving for nothing.
Poor management in any industry if you ask me.

24 Aug 2017 12:34:03
Correct gunner62 - I fail to understand how the club works. We appear not to have a clue how to run these side of things and bearing in mind Wenger's insistence that the club runs as a business and makes a profit, how on earth have we left ourselves exposed to having at least 5 players to my knowledge able to run their deals down or be sold for reduced fees.
Even with a year remaining we should be able to get a minimum for the following players of: Sanchez £35m, Oxlade £25m, Ozil £25m, Wilshere £20m and Gibbs £5m. Total £110m minimum. Are we really going to enter the season allowing for a loss of £110m +?
If so, these players should have been sold when there was 2 years left on their deals if they wouldn't sign extensions, to minimise the loss nad bring in replacements.
I am praying that we have deals in place for the 3 main players and that we will announce them late to offset the disappointment of making no further signings in the window. If this is not the case and we are forced to sell the three main players of they are allowed to let their deals run down, then the culprits at the club need to go.

24 Aug 2017 13:04:47
I really don't think there is that much of a plan RG other than trying to spot the next big young star of tomorrow and the next game.
We just seem to react to things when absolutely forced into doing so, wether it's changing tactics or plugging holes that have been plain to see for months if not years and even players futures don't seem to be too much of a worry as we simply hand out 1 year extensions to players past thier prime while letting others get into a position of strength where they have the upper hand.
We seem to reward average players extravagantly and miss manage our best players until they throw in the towel and leave and the worsrt thing is we've been doing the same thing over and over for years.
If Lacazette is a massive but with us how long before he wants out?
Ambitious players don't seem to last long at Arsenal these days as they either lose thier hunger and settle into the cosy club or leave for more ambitious clubs.