Arsenal Banter Archive August 25 2017

 

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25 Aug 2017 21:29:25
just booked my flight for the cologne game on the 23rd of November and the toot playing Dortmund on the 21st, only an hour train drive between them

Should be interesting.

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25 Aug 2017 22:32:26
And two days πŸ˜’.

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25 Aug 2017 21:04:01
Boys, who is this Gunnerbod muppet? He seems to have got bored annoying the Spuds and now he has reappeared on our pages. I'm all for banter but his efforts are infantile, please have a word. You're welcome to come and spar with humour and spikiness but for Gods sake, keep him in check, he's embarrassing.

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25 Aug 2017 21:43:33
Lol AJH,
He never appears on here. Only on Spuds page. He does like a wind up.

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25 Aug 2017 22:34:50
I feel like Dwight Yorke in having to say this! Harvey is nothing to do with me.

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25 Aug 2017 23:01:08
Sanogo 😁😁.

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25 Aug 2017 21:15:54
Seems he's getting to you so that's a win for him.

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26 Aug 2017 05:53:09
He's getting to me in the same way a 2 year old that needs his nappy changing sitting on my knee would get to me. We have a good crack with posters from other teams but there's a couple who are tiresome. I'm guessing you look t haven't had the pleasure of the scouse Mighty reds yet, he's also poor.

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26 Aug 2017 07:44:48
We wouldn't get liverpool fans giving it the big ones on here . There your problem.

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26 Aug 2017 11:03:52
AJH, tell me what I said that has annoyed you, it was one post so you must remember!

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25 Aug 2017 21:03:54
Will Wenger play the ox at Liverpool?

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25 Aug 2017 21:42:37
Or more to the point Steve, will Wenger play players in their right positions.

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25 Aug 2017 21:16:25
Hope not he's garbage if snap someone's hands of for 15m.

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25 Aug 2017 19:56:09
How bad has our transfer window been so far. Players we would like to keep, not interested and players we want to go, no one wants. We were told we have 150 mil to spend and so far a net spend of 25 mil. It's not looking very rosey and we were told things were going to change. People can paint it any way they want but it's not what we want it to be at all. The prospects look dim. Just being real.

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25 Aug 2017 20:58:06
If we get VVD, very doubtful though, I would be very happy.
VVD, Kolasinac and Laca, very happy with that. Plus, hold onto Sanchez.

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25 Aug 2017 20:58:38
Why moan until the window has shut! But then again steve you moan when we score the winning goal in 86th min instead of the 25th min.

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25 Aug 2017 21:12:56
Sano you loaner, read the post, I said so far. Typical you.

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25 Aug 2017 21:15:22
Dags the van dyke rumour is not going to happen. If it did, it would be great but his head wasn't turned by us.

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25 Aug 2017 21:21:51
Ha ha moaner, predictive text.

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25 Aug 2017 21:44:17
Agree Steve.

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25 Aug 2017 21:45:24
Ah the dispensation so far so far . sorry steve i thought you were getting twitchy βœŠπŸ»πŸ‘ŒπŸ».

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25 Aug 2017 23:32:16
Of course I'm getting twitchy.

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25 Aug 2017 21:17:26
Well said sanogo.

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26 Aug 2017 07:42:37
Dead right Steve.

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25 Aug 2017 19:10:23
So The Ox has turned down a Β£180k a week salary. To be honest it's a little sad as Arsenal have spent 6 years developing him. But unfortunately his best performances were as a presenter for Arsenals YouTube channel. The club shouldn't offer him anymore as TBH he really hasn't done enough to warrant such a huge wage. Arsenal need warriors who will fight through the hard times. The Ox always felt more like a mascot than a genuine warrior. Let him move to another club where he will most likely find himself in the same position he's in at Arsenal. Anyway I think Chelsea are looking for a new presenter and are willing to pay Β£35m for one!

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25 Aug 2017 20:21:29
I agree, really angry at the Ox! For me get rid and by Marhez. There is a real negative feeling around the club OTM. Wenger doesn't seem to have a tactical clue. Players worth over Β£200 million being allowed to run down there contracts.
Getting fed up. If we get beat at Liverpool I see a mutiny amongst Arsenal fans. I certainly don't want to see the ox in an Arsenal shirt again. When I get to a field on Sunday I'll be bouncing if his name is on the team sheet.

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25 Aug 2017 20:46:32
Why blame the ox, he thinks he can do better and arsenal at the moment are behind the teams that are interested in him. The clouds that are around the club are not helpful and the club with various players is poor. Why blame the ox, I don't understand.

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25 Aug 2017 22:31:50
People always blame players who want out Steve.

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26 Aug 2017 00:03:05
wenger stAying really has landed us in the shit. massive season ahead I generally think if we lose alexis and ozil on a free he will like the rebuilding challange.

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25 Aug 2017 16:23:01
There is one good thing about being in the Europa League, at least we won't be knocked out by Bayern Munich or Barcelona in the second round of that European competition.

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25 Aug 2017 18:24:44
Should they come 3rd in their group? :-) just when you thought it was safe to go back i'm the water:-)

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25 Aug 2017 15:04:53
What happened to this "new era" now the stadium has been payed off we haven't seemed to do much since have we?!

This contract Stand off between the club and Alexis, Ozil and Chambo is ridiculous, I they want out get rid and start to build again, not the best scenario but at least have players that want to be at the club.

The 'deadwood' hate the word but there's plenty of players that aren't good enough for the club, being payed over the odds and now won't take the pay cut and will be here until their contacts run out and we lose out on the transfer fee.

Incoming transfers; great but with Lacazette and Kolasinac but we definitely need a replacement for Cazorla since this Xhaka/ Ramsey combo isn't working there best and after those two who plays CM considering we have El Neny, Coq, Wilshere and Cazorla after that. El Neny isn't good enough, Coq is a red card waiting to happen and Wilshere, Cazorla are half a season players. Definite reinforcements needed. And what happened with Lemar! Just pay it!

Can't see a top 4 finish this season with United and City looking Decent, Chelsea have swapped like for like and spurs didn't need to buy much.

That's my depressing rant over with.

Roll on May.

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25 Aug 2017 15:13:00
I get what you're saying. But we're two games in why on earth are you wishing for may already. I understand the frustrations but I really don't think we're as rubbish as most of our depressive fans are making out.

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25 Aug 2017 16:51:42
Elneny is underrated -.

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25 Aug 2017 17:07:46
You think? I got nothing against him but just seems like a good squad player to me.

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25 Aug 2017 17:21:32
Totally agree with you RR. He's obviously not a big name star but the lad leaves it all on the pitch and usually that would be reason enough for me to sing his praises. BUT, he also has great distribution, has a decent strike in him and overall he seems a team player. Never complaining about being on the bench (that I've seen reported) and genuinely seems chuffed to be playing for Arsenal.

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25 Aug 2017 21:18:08
Yes elneny is content to sit on the bench, with all the other content bench warmers and that will get us where?

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25 Aug 2017 22:39:45
" he's a good squad player " seems to have replaced " he's good in the changing room' as our new buzz word for players who are good enough to challenge for the title.
We have an awful lot of squad players :-)

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25 Aug 2017 14:44:13
As we all expected the ox had rejected a new deal. Now instead of trying to fit him into the team I hope they just sell him. And ideally replace him. I'd rather spend the year having someone get used to arsenal and the league than waste a year with someone who doesn't want to stay.

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25 Aug 2017 17:32:43
Can't for the life of me see how he's worth Β£180k a week! Agree that if he doesn't want to sign then we should sell to whoever offers the most. He won't be terribly missed in my opinion.

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25 Aug 2017 18:04:55
Exactly. He has so much potential but he doesn't want to stay despite a huge offer. Sell and move on.

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25 Aug 2017 18:42:26
hes had "potential" the whole time he's been here, 6 years on, he's been injured for most of it only turned up in about 5 games, maybe 6. if the 180k thing is true i would personally of been horrified if he had signed! i wish him the best whether he signs or not, but you can't give a player whos barely done anything to deserve it that kind of raise just to keep him. if he doesn't kick on how the hell do you offload him! same problem we have been having for ages: pay average players more than anyone else will, so we are stuck with them and quality players less than anyone else will so they are eager to go.

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25 Aug 2017 19:43:24
He has no interest in playing for us let him go to chelski.

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25 Aug 2017 11:59:36
Hi,

I don't know if the Ed's can answer this or not, but I am intrigued as to our backroom situation and the way that contract renewals are handled.

We seem to be struggling more and more to get players to commit - Ox, Ozil, Sanchez and other players gone by - but also we seem to have lost some promising members of the youth team in recent years to other Premier League clubs, and recently Chris Willock to Benfica.

Is there something there that will be looked at or is being looked at? It doesn't seem right that even our young players are seeing their futures elsewhere.

Your thoughts on the situation would be very welcome.

All the best.

LS.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}

25 Aug 2017 13:04:50
We clearly have problems in this respect since the days of Adrian and Fiszman. I assume Wenger gets involved and he has some odd ideas about salaries etc. We seem to give long expensive deals to average players who we them struggle to offload, whilst letting the deals of he top players run down. Injured and aging players also seem to do well contract wise at the club. Whoever allowed the likes of Ozil, Ox and Sanchez to run down to a year should be fired. It will cost us good players we wish to keep and millions I. Lost revenue if they run down their contracts.

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25 Aug 2017 17:08:37
Odd ideas about salaries? You mean the ideas that has kept Arsenal Football Club solvent and performing for the past 20 odd years? Yep definitely odd.

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{Ed001's Note - that is not true. You are completely wrong, Arsenal's salaries had no bearing on keeping it solvent or performing. In fact, if anything, they made it more difficult as young players with no experience were being massively overpaid so you could not attract top players and had no spare money in the budget to pay for them due to an excessively large wage bill.}

25 Aug 2017 17:57:36
Ed001, what young players at Arsenal are being "massively overpaid"? I see wages very much behind the likes of Man United, Man City, Chelsea.

Also, you're saying "WERE being paid massive wages" and "HAD no spare money". This suggests that financials are back on track. Although looking at financials I don't see that it was ever as bad a you are making out.

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{Ed001's Note - every young player who signs a professional contract straight out of the academy was overpaid. Arsenal paid the highest wage in English football.

The rest is just you being petty and trying to twist words to make your biased and blatantly false viewpoint seem true. Arsene Wenger has a policy of keeping the wages fairly equal, from youth to top talent, which has meant the bottom end players are overpaid and the top talent underpaid. It has meant the wage budget was stretched during the early years of paying for the stadium, but that financial pressure has lessened as you know, so I really do not know what nonsense you are wittering on about them being back on track or ever as bad as I was making out. I never made anything out, so please do not be one of the knobheads who puts words in my mouth then whines about the blatantly falsehoods they have twisted my words into.}

25 Aug 2017 18:18:49
Twist words and make MY biased and blatantly false viewpoint seem true? You're kidding right? I asked you a simple question to which you're responding like a child who isn't getting his way.

I never put words in your mouth; I simply repeated EXACTLY what you said but as has been witnessed here on an occasion or two, you become the knobhead you assume others are being. I am all for having spirited debates but you're intentionally being radge, spouting some nonsense or the other about me whining. Get over yourself fella.

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{Ed001's Note - no you did not. You did not repeat EXACTLY what I said at all. That is an outright lie. You picked out excerpts, which you then added to with your own twist. You would make a good tabloid hack with that crap.

Intentionally being radge? Speak English, I have no idea what you are gibbering on about now. I am just sick of wasting my time for people to constantly twist everything said to try and pretend it meant something else.}

25 Aug 2017 19:09:44
Without actually using copy and paste (I hope that wasn't what you expected me to do) , I did in fact use an excerpt of what you typed because quite frankly it was the only thing that interested me. My question was genuine but you decided you wanted to be a knob and you were. Fair enough; but don't suggest it's because I'm twisting anything or lying about anything. That is totally disingenuous.

If you seriously don't know what a radge is, look it up. I believe it's in the ENGLISH dictionary.

Also, I wouldn't want to be a tabloid hack - not when you have that job well covered.

Incidentally, I did some research. Now remember, I'm going to use an excerpt again but don't let that frighten up.

You said, "Arsene Wenger has a policy of keeping the wages fairly equal, from youth to top talent"

From my research, the youth team has a separate wage structure to the first team. Iwobi for instance got a pay increase when he made the first team. Prior to that he was on apparently Β£750/ week. I can only find wage data for 2015 for the youth team but most of them were on Β£1000/ week with some on Β£5000.

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{Ed001's Note - your data is incorrect, for one, secondly I did not say youth teams anywhere, I said youth. You are again reading into it more than there is.

As for radge, it is not English, nor would it be in an English dictionary as it is clearly a slang term.}

25 Aug 2017 19:12:45
Sharpie it's twice now that you have used words from the north! Your not really from Saudi or at least your an ex pat . Radged means daft, crackers in a silly sort of way . Used lots in the north mainly middlesborough down to Whitby no doubt amongst other parts as well. I always get asked what it means if I use it out of a 100 mile radius of those place.

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25 Aug 2017 21:47:35
Sharpie where's do fray? βœŠπŸ»πŸ˜‚.

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25 Aug 2017 01:37:04
Ed02 how do you see this last week of transfer window for Arsenal regarding of incoming and outgoings? Thanks will really appreciate if you could share any unknown information with us?

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{Ed002's Note - Players will come and go.}

25 Aug 2017 13:37:00
Plus I think some will stay too, but those who don't stay will definitely go elsewhere and those who arrive will come from different clubs.
I'm not saying any of this will definitely happen of course but i personally think it's highly likely that some of it will and only the bits that don't actually happen will be less that accurate while most of what does happen will be pretty predictable stuff with the benefit of hindsight.

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25 Aug 2017 06:25:11
If reports are correct Oxlade has turned down a massive Β£180,000 a week deal. This doesn't surprise me as I don't believe he feels that Arsenal under Wenger will challenge for the top honours. In addition it has emerged that he wants to play in a more central role. If we are able to achieve a fee of Β£35m +, despite him being in the last year of his deal, then we have done relatively well, as he a good player, but nothing special and could easily be replaced as a RWB for that figure. We already have Bellerin and there are English youngsters coming through, such as Maitland-Niles, Nelson (if he can cover the defensive duties) and even Chambers can play as RWB, the position he was playing when he first came to the club. We now have to see what happens with Ozil and Sanchez. Can't see anyone paying the Β£40m+ fee Arsenal require for Ozil, nor matching his reported huge wage offer. Sanchez is different and either Wenger is trying a bluff to drive the price up or is prepared to risk losing a large fee in a chase for CL football. Interesting last few days of the window.

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25 Aug 2017 11:27:44
You can't blame him R. G., the most he can look forward to is the Europa dopa draw today, he knows his club is falling further away from spurs, Chelsea, city, Utd etc.

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25 Aug 2017 12:48:55
Kos has been a fantastic player and served Arsenal football club with distinction but he will retire from football having never been involved in a premier league title challenge past March or having played in a champions league QF.
Kos has put Arsenal football club before personal ambition as did Sagna too, both stuck by Arsenal when they had better options both financially and in terms of footballing achievement and gave the best years of thier career to the club but it came at the price of personal ambition.
Maybe Ox doesn't want to look back and think what might have been but would rather give himself the best chance possible of being and achieving everything possible in football.
If you were him aged 24 what would you do? And who's steps would you be looking to follow in Kos of Fabregas? I don't believe money is the issue for either Ox or Sanchez I think it's purely ambition and they both want to be with ambitious clubs and I personally can't fault them for that.

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25 Aug 2017 14:03:09
Oh dear raver61 the stalker. Kyle Walker? Danny Rose wants proper wages and the chance of winning a trophy! As you well know raver61, the pain at the lane and Wembley just goes on 56 years and counting since the last time the toot won the league. It's interesting that we have won the league twice at the home of failure WHL.

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25 Aug 2017 15:08:56
Great business by spurs R. G. sell walker and rose for a combined 100 million and we have bought Sanchez and serge aurier for 66 million while we building that monster of a, stadium. That Europa dopa draw was tough on Arsenal today R. G. I can't see you picking up many points from bate and crevena zvezda lol.

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25 Aug 2017 16:09:00
Go on raver61 list the trophies won by the toot during your lifetime or admit there are none. Even this year we have collected two more trophies, whilst the toot flatter to decieve. A team and a manager that haven't won a thing. Great you have lost one full back to a team that can win things and may lose another. Now that's really quite something. The funny thing is that if you perform as well in the CL as last season you will end up in the EL, if that's is you avoid last place. The pain at the lane and Wembley just goes on. Nearly 60 years of abject failure. i'm so pleased that i chose to be born a gooner.

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25 Aug 2017 17:18:14
The same Europa dopa you lot brag about winning in the 70's πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.

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25 Aug 2017 17:20:07
Putting spurs in the same sentence as Chelsea, Utd and City LOL! Classic raver πŸ˜‚.

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25 Aug 2017 17:16:37
IF the Ox had ambition he would have displayed it and laid it all out on the pitch over the last several years. Instead, he gave more mediocre performances than good ones.

It's astonishing that so many of you are screaming out for our mediocre players to be shown the door but as soon as one decides that is where he is headed, he's all of a sudden filled with ambition and you want the club to pay him whatever it takes to keep him.

Fast forward a few years and those same people will be on here wondering why Ox is on Β£180K/ week and we aren't able to shift him to another club.

Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.

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25 Aug 2017 18:08:05
Of course I can mention spurs in the same bracket as city and Chelsea as we ARE a champions league club. Also wodbod we lifted another European trophy in the 80s as well as the 70s. R. G. as for players leaving a sinking ship you should look closer to home as ox, ozil and Sanchez are walking out of your club beep.

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25 Aug 2017 19:13:55
Raver61, you can't be mentioned in the same breath as the big boys simply because you managed to qualify for the CL. Remember last season you went out in the group stages. You won absolutely nothing. Indeed, you haven't won the league sine 1961. You have never won the PL. Your manager has won nothing as a manager and your players have won nothing with the toot. The wages you pay your players is clearly a problem. Walker has left for a big club, Rose is unhappy, as is Alderweirald and others. This century you have won one league cup and I doubt you were even born when it was won. As you know the pain at the lane and Wembley just goes on. 1961, yes 1961!

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25 Aug 2017 00:48:15
It's not unusual for top clubs players contracts to run down or be sold for less than market value. Fringe players at big clubs get paid more than a top player at a so called "smaller club. There salaries limit demand and often have to be sold on the cheap just so the "bigger" club can get them off the wage bill to free up funds for a better player. Also some players would rather sit on the bench or go out on loan as opposed to joining another club and take a pay cut. I believe this has happened to Arsenal in a big way and now they have about 6 players they can't move on. These players motivations are wrong and I can't help but feel their mentality will have a negative effect on the other players. If you have 9 players who are happy to sit on the bench and take a huge salary, they clearly don't have a winning mentality and that attitude could infect the team. I think this has clearly happened at Arsenal and we lack players with hunger and a desire to win at all costs. Too many players seem "comfortable" at Arsenal and it's time to move them on. I'd rather see youth with hunger as a squad player opposed to somebody who doesn't perform but commands a huge wage. Then at least you feel a connection to that player and get the excitement of them potentially developing into an excellent footballer. It's less risky if they don't as the club can move them on easier or let their contracts run down with less stress on the budget. More needs to be done to develop academy players and play them in the first team.

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25 Aug 2017 00:01:51
Am I alone in thinking Paul Merson is becoming a very bitter man?

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25 Aug 2017 06:33:43
And a very stupid man. The drivel he talks is embarrassing. On last night's sky debate programme with Le Tiss, he was so thick it was painful to watch.

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25 Aug 2017 08:13:22
Drugs will do that to a man until they talk absolute nonsense.

I mean just listen to Malaga on here πŸ‘€.

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25 Aug 2017 12:00:33
Last night on "the debate" he said if spurs manage to get 3rd in there group it will be a massive achievement, considering apoel are the 4th team what is he going on about, and imo spurs are a better team than dortmund.

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25 Aug 2017 17:13:22
About 5 years ago Merson was constantly saying Arsenal won't finish top 4, apart from last year when he said we would, he's always wrong!

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