Arsenal Banter Archive February 26 2015

 

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26 Feb 2015 22:09:32
1. Munich,
2. Real Madrid,
3. Barca
4. Chelsea
5. City
6. Arsenal, athletico and Juventus, we probably just edge it

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26 Feb 2015 22:41:37
thats definatly some rose tinted specs youve got on there

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26 Feb 2015 23:25:56
Saint you need to lay off the pickled gurkins mate, there not helping your judgement :-)

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26 Feb 2015 23:29:17
PSG are bigger than us.
They have won their league past 2 years.

Juventus are bigger than us.
Champs league winners twice and have won Italian league for the past 3 years.

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26 Feb 2015 23:37:14
And what about M Utd..................the team we can never beat??

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26 Feb 2015 23:48:36
Sometimes you have to bow to blind loyalty and say, there's no answer to that.

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27 Feb 2015 00:16:14
Dortmund 2 league titles in 5 years.

We are, maybe, in top 12.

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27 Feb 2015 00:48:46
Banbury have man u won the league in the last ten years or a european cup for that matter. Ac milan aren't a bad side another average team we failed to beat last time, they don't win much and only have a few fans, no history either. Us on the other hand, fa cup winners and fourth place trophy specialists and european giants.

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27 Feb 2015 06:53:10
I think top 12 is just about right.

we win one trophy in 9 years and we are in the top 5 teams in the work.............mental statement.

If we win the F A Cup this year .................yep you guessed it, we will be the best in the world

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26 Feb 2015 22:00:30
surely Gabriel will play against Everton

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26 Feb 2015 23:30:01
Certainly hope so.

I think him and Kos would make a great pairing.

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26 Feb 2015 20:50:39
Hoody
yes we are amongst the top 5 or 6 clubs in the world

How do you work that out?

Name the clubs please.

You are in fantasy Island land

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26 Feb 2015 21:25:33
It's quite simple Banbury, what club, other than one of the top 6 or 7 in the world would have Olivier Giroud as their number 1 striker.

Thought you of all people would have known that! ;-)

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26 Feb 2015 21:33:11
Apologies

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26 Feb 2015 20:42:24
If arsenal want to win the leauge they need to buy a

1 new manager
2 centre back ( instead of mertersacker)
3 centre defensive midfielder
4 goaly
5 goal scorer

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27 Feb 2015 00:17:55
Pretty much can't argue with that.

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26 Feb 2015 20:39:26
Look I really do applaud you guys who are possitive still but we have amassive problem at this club now and that is when we fail and get beat, we don't just get beat, we get humiliated. We can all see that this isn't just an issue of being knocked out or down, we get slaughtered, too many times. We don't get beat by the odd goal, no that's not good enough, we get our bloody noses rubbed in it. Now if you still see after last seasons drubbings and this seasons failings, we are still close, then i'm sorry, i'm watching the wrong matches. Mr wenger buys the player, picks the team, motivates them, picks the tactics, makes the substitutions, sells the players and picks the style of play. he's the one reason ultimately why we win and why we lose. And boy do we loose in style.

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26 Feb 2015 20:58:47
You are correct Steve...............again I reiterate AW is arrogant, he thinks we are Barcelona of yesteryear and can play anyone off the park. Even Barca have a change of plan when things don't go well.

He needs to have a plan B and how many years have we been saying that for??

Of course if we win 2-0 at the weekend we will be in the 3 clubs in the world won't we?

We haven't improved and please do not tell me we have, if you want to see how backward we have gone look at the great foundations of the invincibles we had and where we are now

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27 Feb 2015 08:15:38
I don't think any team comes close to what the teams were, utd aren't the same as the class of 92, and we will never be the same as the invincibles.

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26 Feb 2015 19:39:46
Chelsea, M City, Barca, R Madrid, A Madrid, B Munich, B Dortmund, Juventus and a Milan.

That's 9, you could argue Liverpool and M Utd are up with us.

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26 Feb 2015 19:53:54
Man u might be having a blip at the mo but they are bigger and better than us in world standing, I would also add psg.

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26 Feb 2015 20:42:32
How can Dortmund be there, they are more or less like us, and no milan teams

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26 Feb 2015 20:48:50
And how did we get on against them?

Like it all lump it hoody we are NOT, I repeat NOT in the top 6 or 7 sides in the world..............that is fantasy

Ask Arrow or Flash lol

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26 Feb 2015 21:02:51
Dortmund have won the title twice and got to the cl final in the last 5years

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26 Feb 2015 21:34:13
And how many have we????????

Hoody don't disappear please, continue the debate

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26 Feb 2015 22:58:34
Where's PSG?

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26 Feb 2015 19:25:22
why don't we play ozil as a false 9? its the only thing left to try with him...he doesn't want to defend AT ALL


I honestly would not be surprised if he was trying to sway wenger to sell him to spain, Italy or Germany... he just does not seem to care

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26 Feb 2015 20:53:53
Ozil is beginning to look a luxury we cannot afford I'm afraid, if he plays we need real grafters who don't mind defending and missing out on the glory buts, who are just interested in the ugly bits.

We haven't got them

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26 Feb 2015 21:10:33
Isn't that just asking for people to do there jobs though Banbury?

I'm confused =-/

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26 Feb 2015 21:35:51
No

AW things we can keep the ball for most of the game that the chasing back won't be part of anyone's remit

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26 Feb 2015 21:59:52
And that my friend is where Bouldy should be speaking up.

I can remember when bouldy first came in he was the one on the touch line shouting orders (I loved that)

What happened? Was he put in his place? I've not seen the lads train but does bouldy do drills with them, teach them?

I'd love to know if he has any input at all....

We can keep the ball no bother but getting it back is a slow process which needs addressing

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26 Feb 2015 23:00:14
When people mentioned boulds input Wenger looked outraged. He won't let anyone take the plaudits but him. Simples

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26 Feb 2015 19:25:01
People have every right to be disappointed disillusioned and totally demoralised by last nights result and performance, they also have the right to voice their views on this page or otherwise why join?
If last nights game was a one off complaining about it would be pathetic but let's face performances and results like last night in big games have become very much the norm and the performance and result againgst city was the blip.
That might not be nice to admit to outselfs but its reality

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26 Feb 2015 19:55:48
Gunner your back in the land of the moaners again, welcome.

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26 Feb 2015 20:05:08
Sadly Steve it seems you can only defy gravity for so long and we don't look like loosing our lead boots anytime soon mate:-( but true

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26 Feb 2015 18:22:24
Arsenal are in the top 6 or 7 clubs in the world?????? Really?

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26 Feb 2015 19:09:48
Only if your whole world is London.

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26 Feb 2015 19:18:39
Get over it already, its done n dusted and yes we are amongst the top 5 or 6 clubs in the world, hence disheartining to see us loose the way we did.

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26 Feb 2015 19:21:58
top 6 or 7 in the world??

lets see right now at this moment in no exact order)
1.Bayern
2. real Madrid
3. Barca
4. athletico Madrid
5. man city
6. Chelsea
7. Man united (yes because they have done more than us in the last 5 ot 10 years)
8. Juventus
9.PSG
10. Borrusia Dortmund

its very debatable mate

its time for a change and all these supporters that think wenger can deliver the prem or CL before he retires why don't you all REALLY put your money where your mouth is and bet on it with some of us that done believe he can do it.

STEVE R and Banbury share most of my thoughts they speak the truth

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26 Feb 2015 19:41:50
Even I have to say in some respects we are but not for succes on the pitch or world club rankings for ability. At the moment I would say not in top 6 or 7 in europe. Because we regularly fail to beat European teams.

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26 Feb 2015 20:52:17
You have to win the big things to be a big club mate, I don't give a hoot if we played in a 10,000 seater stadium if it meant winning the PL and the CL

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26 Feb 2015 16:41:32
The negativity on here has been pathetic. Get a grip, the players have to many off days agreed, but they're a brilliant collection of players, wonderful talent and ussually exceptional application. Let's not give in to the easy knee jerk reaction style negativity. We support a great club, probably in the top 6 or 7 in the world. We have one of the best managers ever to grace the game at the helm, for a minute let's not think about the rubbish show of yesterday, reflect on and support the brilliant club that is Arsenal football club

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26 Feb 2015 17:18:15
Im afraid for me yesterday rubber stamped an opinion I've had for two years now. I don't do knee jerk reactions just observations of fact.

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26 Feb 2015 17:21:51
Couldn't agree more Saint :)

There's fans....and then there's supporters!!

Coyg

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26 Feb 2015 17:27:21
There deluded and there's realist

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26 Feb 2015 18:06:24
I think that post from Saint arsenal just about sums up the manager and his supporters. Happy to support arsenal under a great manager and let life continue and continue, qualifying for champions league, get through the group stage and get knocked out.
Do you know how supporters of your rivals love arsene in charge, do you not know how worried they are that he will get sacked and replaced with a modern manager. Do you not know how, with a slight tinkering (manager and one or two more defensive players) your team could be easily the best in England and top two or three in Europe.
God, do you not see how near you are to winning lots of
trophies. But it's arsenal, happy to be a sleeping giant, when a quick kick in the butt would wake up a monster.

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26 Feb 2015 18:12:19
Sorry jegooner, we won't have an opinion if its different than yours then

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26 Feb 2015 20:27:07
I would say this has been coming since the city game, rather than that being a turning point, nothing really changed, we didn't turn up yesterday day or at spurs games that everyone should of been up for and we nearly threw the games away at palace and Leicester

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26 Feb 2015 16:15:42
Welbeck is a poor finisher and not even a good winger giroud is an average striker been saying this for the last 2 years and ozil is lazy and useless the sooner he goes the better. Mertesacker is too slow to play for arsenal he slows the game down his passes are all sidewards to koscielny. I don't think wenger has it in him to make changes and bring in the correct players that we need to challenge

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26 Feb 2015 16:36:07
Welbeck is not a good winger?? Perhaps it's because he's not a winger (santi is pants on the wing too but that's because.......oh wait)

ozil is hardly useless too mate, abit lazy yes but let him concentrate on attacking n forget defending. I've argued this all day buddy (see previous posts)

The whole team where dung last night.....sod it let's just get rid of em all ;)

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26 Feb 2015 16:37:15
Why don't you tell us what you really think

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26 Feb 2015 18:39:38
i like ozil, but you can't just say, forget about defending that's harsh on all the other players and makes more work for them. when the opposition has the ball its everyones job to defend, everyone has to press and track back.

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26 Feb 2015 19:14:17
I agree to a point Eden mate

Just if he didn't have to think about players running past him he would be far more affective, bergkamp is an example...didn't do much defending and look how affective that guy was (ahhhh I miss bergkamp)

6 players behind the ball should be enough in most occasions but by all means hassle the opposition barca style ;)

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26 Feb 2015 20:19:39
I get your point he's shocking at defending, so why bother, but if he just let's a player run past him with out trying to stop him, the player then beats the defender, who gets slated but ozil gets let off because he doesn't have to defend, I would be pretty pissed as the defender. Attackers should be the first line of defense the higher up the pitch you win the ball the better in my view. I don't want the ball to get to our half before anyone bothers trying to get it back

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26 Feb 2015 20:32:17
Completely agree Eden

Hunt from the front and hunt in packs :)

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26 Feb 2015 15:38:02
whatever that happened last night was just horrendous.i rarely post but i feel like ranting.wenger is a good coach but he is past his expiration date.He is a genius who hasn't evolved.making changes to a player's diet will no longer win you matches.WE need fresh ideas and welbeck has to be the worst finisher i have ever seen in arsenal shirt.walcott should come in instead.He is a good finisher.wenger has to leave at the end of the season.Klopp or simeone in.

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26 Feb 2015 15:48:13
You haven't seen giroud then punani??
7 shots 0 on target lol

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26 Feb 2015 16:35:57
Because Klopp is doing so well?

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26 Feb 2015 16:37:29
Header narrowly wide and open goal missed. let's not kid ourselves, Giroud is a decent striker but the world class forward he is not. Certainly not on last nights performance..

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26 Feb 2015 15:34:38
I'd like to stick my neck out and say I'm sick to death of people talking about football as if they've got a clue what they're on about when it's frankly just a pile of unintelligent dross with no analytical depth. I'm talking mainly about pundits and above all those who repeatedly lay the blame at Wenger's feet when all they themselves repeatedly manage to muster for an answer is the bull... line of 'Arsenal lack a winning mentality'. 1) Clubs change players all the time (and in several cases, managers too), so to talk about them as though there's such a thing as an infectious mentality and as if that's the simple answer in a world where clubs play several million to sign players is frankly farcical. This line about the team mentality is as much of a cop-out as saying 'this club won because they wanted it more' - it's simply reporting the news rather than attempting to explain its occurrence. 2) If it simply came down to mentality, surely pundits wouldn't constantly bang on about how difficult it is for the holders of any title to defend it?!
Anyway, I mainly say all that to illustrate that so many pundits are prone to cop-out answers where they are too unintelligent to convey a cogent and comprehensive understanding of what happened; meanwhile, in this case, the criticism of Wenger appears to do just that. Does no-one remember Wenger's point in his press conference on Tuesday that there is never any 'easy' game at this stage of a competiton among Europe's elite? Has everyone forgotten that, despite the bookmakers' stats, we were the lower of the two teams based on group stage performances? Despite all the fans' criticism thrown at players for their performances today, how many people would have claimed prior to the match that that line-up came close to resembling our best possible 11? And last but not least, is no-one prepared to point out that, while Monaco defended well and Arsenal definitely exposed themselves at the back chasing a futile equaliser, Monaco were damn lucky with that first goal and that that strike ultimately shifted the balance to draw Arsenal into a trap?

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26 Feb 2015 16:31:32
Pundits just echo the media, they very rarely come up with their own original points of view which is why it becomes repetitive and lacking substance. This is why we often hear things like 'Arsenal lack a winning mentality' and the reason it seems like a statement without any thought behind it is because it is and it's rarely got anything to do with their own intelligence.

Monaco were lucky with the first goal (although I think Ospina could have atleast attempted to get a hand on it) but that's no excuse for our demise to a 3-1 defeat. Monaco also mustered less points than us in the group stages, even though they finished first in their group so I don't think we can claim that we were necessarily the 'lower' of the two teams -we just played dreadfully.

I get annoyed with all the 'unintelligent dross' that constantly lingers around Arsene Wenger too. Managerial tactics and team selection can change a game immensely but last night, above all else, I think the individual players performed terribly and it doesn't matter how good you're tactics are if players are going to miss open goals, lose possession easily, not hold their position and not close down the opposition.

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26 Feb 2015 17:29:43
Let's close the forum down and mute sky sports.

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26 Feb 2015 15:04:46
Terrible result yesterday, but try not to take aim at Wenger too much.

Listen, the guy has done great things for our club (and Monaco while we are on it). Those who tuned into Sky before the game, they did a little montage about how he revolutionised their diets, player analysis etc - all the things that we have come to know from the modern game. Henry had nothing but praise for the guy and Kednapp said something along the lines of, "...when we went to England training camps we tried to emulate the diet that the players Wenger had worked with so we could improve as players and be as good as them". I think the problem lies with once these improvements had been made, there was no more revolutionary ideas to push the players on. Nobody else was doing it at the time and that's what brought the success.

To nick a quote from Die Hard (yes, we are going there), I just think Wenger is a Timex in a digital age. Laugh all you like about Rodgers, Van Gaal etc taking notes and using real time analysis in game but to be honest, that's how things are won and lost. We can all see from the comfort of our living room that we were pushing too far up the field and leaving ourselves exposed but down on the touch line, perhaps it is missed? The comments after the game show me that Wenger knows that once he has had a chance to reflect on it. "Suicidal defending". Need we say more. Perhaps he needs a better assistant. Leave Bould to work on the defence. Get a young assistant manager in to help him with some fresh ideas.

I'm all for bringing in new blood but the players themselves need to take responsibility for the result. Some of them were just plain awful. Every single one of them, on their day, can be a game changer. The problem is, they do not consistently perform at the level to be game changers. I am certain they all went into yesterdays game thinking that they could knock it about, ball over the top and we are 2, 3 or 4 up. Ozil has become a bit of a target in these games but he did more running than any other player on the pitch in the first half. All players have an off day, as I am sure most of us do, but if your looking for a reason why we lost that game, look no further than the starting 11. Ox and Walcott injected real urgency to that squad and we looked dangerous as soon as they were introduced.

You all call for his head but careful what you wish for. United have struggled this season with HUGE investment and a manager who has won it all. Who do you replace him with? Klopp? Come off it...

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26 Feb 2015 15:15:36
im happy to take that chance on change.

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26 Feb 2015 16:11:37
Wenger is a great manager and be careful what you wish for. United fan here and games like last night happen, i still think you have a team that can make a go off it in the return leg.

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26 Feb 2015 16:36:08
Careful what we wish for indeed. People wanted Klopp last season because of his antics in the German league. How many of those still want him when his team sits very far down the league table. Will they be in the Champions League next season - I very much doubt it.

United had the very same problem under Moyes. The players who won Fergie the title, suddenly became average and useless? Behave. They just couldn't be bothered to perform.

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26 Feb 2015 17:33:46
Id take klopp still number 1 pick someone. Manu were winning titles only way was Down for new manager. Fergie was the best. Would he of settled for 4th. No way

Whoever comes in hopefully plugs a few holes we all see apart from Wenger and we go for it.

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26 Feb 2015 22:16:30
I don't understand why you suddenly wouldn't rate Klopp based only on Dortmunds results this year? I rate Klopp based on his record over his career, and the way he has turned Dortmund into a top team, despite them regularly being plucked of their finest assets by their nearest rival. Saying all that goes out the window just because they were in the bottom 3 is no different from saying he us now the best manager in the world again because Dortmund have won their last 2 games. I also don't get the attitude that we can't replace Wenger because change can only be bad. Based on that analysis Southampton should be in the bottom half, but changing manager hasn't done them any harm.

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26 Feb 2015 23:05:05
I meant simeone num1 pick

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26 Feb 2015 14:31:56
thoughts on kondogbia then people?? i rate the guy

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26 Feb 2015 15:01:27
Haven't seen enough of him tbh Derby but on last nights performace he was without a doubt motm

What about that defender abdenbour (or what ever his name was) he was a no nonsense defender

Right up my street :)

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26 Feb 2015 15:16:50
Excellent player always rated him, would take him anyday ahead of schinderlin.

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26 Feb 2015 15:18:26
ye he's been looked at too by clubs. iv not closely watched addenbour but il take your word on him.

kondogbia would be a great signing, will it happen probably not but i would love it to.

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26 Feb 2015 16:34:29
I remember us being linked with Abdennour last summer, not sure if the rumour had any substance or if it was just media speculation though.

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26 Feb 2015 17:27:00
Wouldn't mind him in our colours that's fo sure

Beast of a man

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26 Feb 2015 14:31:14
Sorry guys, nothing really new in my post, but i thought i would add my penny's worth anyway. After the recent improvement in both results and mood, I thought a few hard home truths were yet again exposed last night. Monaco play a system of defending narrow, two lines of 4, and hit on the break. Evidently according to the commentary its their usual style. Its funny, as it exactly matches just about every other teams style when they play us, and more importantly shows IMO why we will continually lose against our top rivals, particularly at home. The key and usual deficiencies were there to see last night. Too narrow, too small, too slow, too sideways and most importantly when we had the ball, too static. Time and time again players gave the ball away (especially Caz and Ozil) but to be honest, time and time again they got the ball, looked up and had absolutely zero options. Very poor. Hopefully a few home truths should now hit Wenger. 1) Merts - Fine playing against Middlesborough, but just not good enough in the big games. You have just signed an expensive new CB. Despite not speaking english, he surely can't be any worse than that performance last night. Therefore I suggest playing him from now on.2) Giroud - I like Giroud, and he does a lot for the team, but time and time again he doesn't do his main job, score goals, when he has the golden opportunity in big games (and to be truthful that applies to Wellbeck so far as well). In the second led we may as well give Akprom a go. But for me, in the summer, its time to consider a top striker who will cause defenders problems, which will lead to more space for other players such as Ozil or rambo in the correct part of the pitch, rather than on the halfway line (just look at PSG versus Chelsea and how Terry was completely fixated with Ibrahimovic). 3) Le Coq/Caz as our main CM partnership. We were totally bossed in midfield by a stronger, taller and faster midfield. Le Coq/Caz as a CM partership are fine against the likes of Middlesborough, but not good enough against a strong, fit team. I hope the rumours about Spider coming from Soton in the summer are true, as without a strong core in the team we will not win major trophies. Great teams have great midfields, think Viera/Petit or Scholes/Keane. I think Spider + Rambo (or Khedirhia) gives us a much better base to the team. 4) Wingers - Playing a CM/Am or CF as a winger doesn't work, as they drift in to easily (it is after all where they feel most comfortable). If wenger thinks we are short of wide players, then sacrifice an AM and replace with a dedicated winger. 5) Ozil - Looks like a shadow of his former self. However age (and class) is on his side. With a decent strong pair of CM's behind him, a decent forward in front, and two skillful wingers either side, Ozil should slip into the "Berkamp space" just in front of the opposing CB's and pull the strings for the team (eventually I would like to see Ox also move into this role). If he still doesn't perform in this role, then he should go.

Wenger needs to have a close look at the performance of his team last night. Having a team full of young players who couldn't quite hit the grade at this top level would be understandable, and if they are improving for the future, completely justifyable. But when you have ageing or senior players who also can't hit the required heights time and time again in these sort of games, its time for them to be moved on......

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26 Feb 2015 15:13:54
Completely agree with the Merty point. I know he's the captain etc but give Gabriel a chance. He can't speak English but surely he knows how to play football and defend?!

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26 Feb 2015 13:56:12
There's no way I want wenger out

All I want is for him to get off his arse-ne start dictating play from the touch line :)

No point sitting there with a face on

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26 Feb 2015 14:11:50
Ok and what makes you believe he's ever going to do this?
It's only one bad result that has us talking like this today, but it's not the first and certainly won't be the last.
There is a fundamental problem holding us back and we can't blame finances anymore, something has to change before we are truly challenging for top honours, I'm starting to think it could be Arsene :o(

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26 Feb 2015 14:52:25
Someone upstairs with a set should be telling him he needs to do more, that's what happens at other clubs isn't it?

If they layed it on him then he'd have to step up his game.

I do think though he has far to much faith n loyalty in some players, we weren't far off last year being top most of the season but for an unfortunate injury to Rambo I think we may have done it, we got the fa cup and champ league place, we're not far away from bringing in more trophies.

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26 Feb 2015 12:54:28
I have to agree with everything Henry, Souness, and Redknapp said last night.

Wingers had no discipline, kept moving inside without the ball, made it too easy for Monaco to defend against us. That's what you get for playing a striker on the wing! And what was worse it that we had no one in the dugout telling Welbeck or Sanchez to stay wide and get some chalk on their boots!

This is what makes me think that he just goes into games without a plan, when was the last time you saw him stand up, tell players what he wanted them to do, or even just look like he actually gave a toss?! All of the players and even his piers constantly preach the amount of respect they have for the man, but I'm sorry how can sitting in the same place for 90 minutes, looking like you don't even want to be there earn you so much respect?

At the moment I don't care who comes after him! I just want to see an Arsenal manager with a pair of cohones who's actually going to tell players to do what they're supposed to do or they're getting taken off. Henry said the first thing he noticed when he moved to Barcelona was the amount of times Pep would tell him to stay on the line or he'd get taken off. Now that's a manager!

It's no wonder we're so disorganised, from the sounds of it, we never had any organisation to begin with. Seems Mr. Wenger is more keen on just picking a team and saying, 'Just go out there and do whatever.'

I've been saying he needs to go all season, but I'm really at the end of my tether with the man now. As much as we need some steel in midfield, we're more in need of some steel at the helm.

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26 Feb 2015 17:35:35
That's because there not wingers that's why they cut in so much

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26 Feb 2015 17:55:23
Alexis has played on the wing for such a long time that he knows how it works, udinese and barca he was brilliant at both clubs. Last night was a rare off game for him.

Welbz though hasn't the winger instinct (get him up top) ;)

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26 Feb 2015 23:06:47
Udinese he played behind the striker where he was best

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26 Feb 2015 11:39:29
An awful lot of doom and gloom on here, as expected after last night’s performance. I’m trying to be upbeat about it and see the result for what it was, a standard last 16 performance by Arsenal. The whole team turned up thinking we’d walk it, even the bookies had us nailed on for a comfortable win, this despite Monaco’s fine domestic form and defensive record. I think the team was perhaps set up in the wrong format with not enough emphasis put on wide players to run at the Monaco back four. Regardless of formation, players or any other topic people want to raise, the matter of fact is that Arsenal simply didn’t have the bottle to win it, very few of our players have the winning mentality of the great Arsenal teams of the past. It’s painfully ironic we had to celebrate the ‘invincibles’ after witnessing the ‘self-destructables’ yet again. We can see this from Champions League performances of seasons gone by, last year crumbling to Bayern, the year before against AC Milan, even the season before we were 2-1 up against Barca after the away leg and crumbled at home. The winning mentality is just not there! You can point the finger at Arsene, the board, the players…..it’s no one person’s fault, it’s a collective error of settling for second best……or fourth best even. I don’t think we’ll overcome this issue until all stakeholders (fans aside) can agree on what they want from this club, what are the priorities and how do we make the necessary changes?

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26 Feb 2015 13:03:14
Agreed 83, although i'm not one of the 'wenger out' brigade you have to look at his ability to motivate the players, footballers are a different breed now, they are all mega rich and tied in to long contracts so if they can't be bothered sometimes it makes no difference to their lives. He should have seen that Giroud, welbeck and Cazorla were not on it last night and got them off and theo, ox and rosicky on at half time.

As much as i hate him Maureen has this ability at chelsea and demands the best from his players or they're off!

Listening to TH14 commentating his tactical knowledge of football is immense, and AW could do a lot worse than have him there alongside him and take on board his knowledge of 'todays' game, which is very different to when AW came to us.

Anyway rant over :-)

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26 Feb 2015 17:37:08
Agreed henry is smart

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26 Feb 2015 10:43:09
It's been a while since I've graced this site with my opinionated, sarcastic and petulant pov. What better time to contribute to bringing my fellow GOONERS down than the morning after the terrible night before.

Well where does one begin. First off no wonder Wilshere and Szczesney are in the "twenty a day category" after that tripe! Expect to see a photo of Jack burying his head firmly into a chimney within the next couple of days. At least they have the decency to wait until their in the dressing room before they spark up. Unlike others that I could name that seem to start inhaling as soon as something called "DEFENSIVE DUTIES" are required!

In the words of Winston Churchill,
Never has so much c**p,
been served to so many,
by so few.

I think it was something like that anyway.

We could shout that Wenger needs to go, but what would be the point. He'll go when he chooses.

We could make the case that Bould needs to drill the **** out of them, and make the case that the opposition may at some point within the duration of a match enter our half of the pitch! (an inconvenience I know, however it does tend to happen.)
I don't think "The famous back one" is going to bring us the success we crave.

We could mention the "Mental Weakness" that resulted in Wenger commenting on our suicidal defending. Funny that, Mental Weakness and suicidal pretty much described my evening last night.

Is it the players? Are they given the structure, the game plan, the mental strength to handle big games like last night? If not why not? Do we have someone at the wheel who can give them that, or does it come from within? If it is the players then who brought them in, and who has the power to get them out? Then who will he replace them with?

I don't know why iv'e bothered with so many??. We know who I'm referring to. In the words of reet Petit, "Arsenal lack Killers."

Defending - poor
Finishing - poor
An Arsenal fan after they've paid for a season ticket - poor.

In the words of an honest loved one, when you've just bought yourself a pair of denim shorts.

WHY?

UP THE GOONERS
Flybo :-)

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26 Feb 2015 11:44:18
flybo:)
nice to see you back
COYG andi

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26 Feb 2015 12:39:08
Great to see you back Flybo, you do realise we have had to suffer Dags humour whilst you've been AWOL. ;-)

Great post to boot. Nothing to argue with. We got what we deserved. Zilch.

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26 Feb 2015 16:35:30
You love it Red, lol.

Welcome back Flybo, sorely missed.

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26 Feb 2015 10:10:26
Very dissapointed of course, but really believe we still have a chance if we start the right team, when ox and Theo came on we looked much better but it was too late by then.

On a lighter note, i won £37m on the lottery this week and went in to the newsagents to claim my prize, they said i would have to wait 7 days for my money! So i said "listen if you're going to mess me around just give me my £2 back, cheek of it. :-)

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26 Feb 2015 16:10:00
337 we have two chances, little and no.

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26 Feb 2015 18:17:53
Steve, the thing with this current team is that they can be just as good as they are bad. There is always a chance in football, I could reel off the top 10 unexpected comebacks, but I'd rather just hope we can do it and get behind my team as always.

Let me ask you a question, if arsenal were relegated would you support them, or change to another team?

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26 Feb 2015 09:51:07
Morning chaps

Feel a little calmer this morning but still disappointed ofcourse

Ozil had probably his poorest game for us last night, leading up to it he had been on the up n I for one was starting to see a snippet of the magician we know he can be, last night he looked completely lost but I can't help think that it's not entirely his fault as our wingers made no attempt to get in behind the defence and bambi upfront can't run for dung, they didn't give him any options whatsoever. He's our final ball guy and if there's no final ball to give then there's no ozil. It's simple really get a striker who plays on the shoulder, who's keen to make a run in behind with abit of pace. I liked welbz upfront for us at the start of the season and everyone was saying what have Utd done selling us welbz n cheap. He also looks a little lost on the wing, it's not his position. Play players in there right positions and the team will become one. Santi is a great example of this.

Chin up guys :)

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26 Feb 2015 10:04:31
Welbeck is not good enough.; ozil i'm sorry is a waste of money. he just isn't a prem player

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26 Feb 2015 11:09:56
Derby - couldn't agree more. If we can get £30M of Ozil in the summer i would take it. Rebuild with some power. Last night also proved that Cazorla and Ozil is a much to lightweight axis.

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26 Feb 2015 11:16:47
I disagree, I think welbz can be good enough given the chance in a run of games, got to be wort a try though surely....giroud just does nothing for me.

Again I have to disagree about ozil
Leading up to this game he was starting to pick up, his stats wer something like 3goals/4 assists in 4 games....that for me proves he is definitely capable of being a Prem player Derby. He just needs consistency and someone to make a bloody run in behind ;)

I must say I can't stand the way he sulks around though

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26 Feb 2015 13:09:08
please remember this converstation jegooner.

fact is we don't need ozil we really dont. he messes up the team shape we may get away with it against palace etc but against spurs he was terribe

welbeck i really just can't see it. i hope you prove me wrong i really do. also for england i think hel lose his place to kane and sturridge if there both fit. he joined us to be a striker but we will put him on the wing like manu did. why? because he isn't good enough for us or another top4 team. simples

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26 Feb 2015 13:30:36
In all honesty Derby I don't think we need him either but that wasn't the point I was making....
I was saying get some runners and you'll soon find out what ozil can do.

It's like telling a postman to deliver the post when there's no post (you get what I mean) lol

With santi's age creeping up I think it would be handy to keep ozil, if arsene addressed our DM position like he should have then I reckon we'd be seeing a different ozil.

Let the attacking players attack and defenders defend.

Welbz has got a lot to offer, I just don't think we've seen half of it yet.....yes we could go out n buy the Benz or Cavani but tbh neither of them do it for me either.

I'd be interested to know who your money would be punted at?

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26 Feb 2015 13:47:34
the fact a 40mill player needs runners is horrible to think. we over paid face it. sanchez is a better num10. pace power work rate.
coutinho is better than ozil. he's fast, can shoot and works for his team.

if we put sanchez num 10 and signed an out and out left winger we would be deadly.

as a striker cavani or benzema would be epic. i wanted bony but that ship has sailed. higuain would of been decent but the price was to high. i think mansukic would of been an upgrade for giroud at only 15mill? i'm also a morata fan the guy is excellent.

welbz for me will always be a nearly man. sunderland player

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26 Feb 2015 14:28:46
He's a luxury player fo sure

Coutinhos better than ozil lol, have a day off mate
He scored one decent goal and everyone thinks he's the next Ronaldinho.

Why did he get voted best number 10 two years on the trot, because Madrid had players who would run in behind and had defenders who would defend so he didn't have to worry about that n could concentrate on what he's good at.
I wouldn't have ospina taking penaltys because he's probably rubbish at them...just as ozil is at defending. Play to his strengths no?

Granted he could run around a lot more (durecell style) he needs a kick up the hoop to do that.

At 40m, at his age and with his attributes at the time was a steal, when other players are moving round for similar amounts n there not half as talented.

I don't think we're suited for a big lad upfront, as a plan B yeah ofcourse but someone with the build n pace of aguero, that sort of player would be better suited in my eyes.

Pace n power is what we need but whom.........welbz ;)

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26 Feb 2015 15:02:26
coutinho is the better player for the premiership. just a fact mate. he's only 22 just remmeber that 8.5million bargain. not a 42.5mill cast off.

ozil was passing to ronaldo who would bang it in. he's never been the best num10 in the world. if so why did real sell him. they did us there with that sale. ozil has been moved to left side or a sub for germany.

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26 Feb 2015 15:27:39
No doubting coutinho is a bargain Derby but he wouldn't get anywhere near the German team left wing, right wing or even the bench....not a chance
But he has time to develop and could well be a class class act.

Didn't Madrid have to supplement Isco, bale, James? We all know what there like mate they have to have the new toy that everyone wants and there was talk ozil wasn't happy that everything had to go through Ronaldo.

He'll come good :)

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26 Feb 2015 17:39:02
I think he would make there team he's good on the left or centre. Special player.

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26 Feb 2015 19:28:38
Who would you take out?

And don't say ozil hahahaha ;)

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26 Feb 2015 23:08:07
Ozil poss shurrle. :)

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26 Feb 2015 09:11:32
Everyone on here moaning about Wenger. surly this loss has to be entirely down to the players and there abysmal attitude towards the tie. Welbeck and Sanchez wanted there name up in lights and refused to stick wide, they felt there individual display was more important than the team as a whole.

Do you think Wenger told Metasacker to come up into Monacos half and make a tackle whilst leaving an acre of space in behind. Not a hope.

Blaming Wenger for cazorla starting midefield. What was our choice? If city or Chelsea where missing 3 injured CMs there centre midfield would be struggling too.

Only thing I can blame Wenger for is Ospina. Clearly Szczęsny should have been reinstated a long time ago cause he is a far superior keeper than Ospina in every department.


Im not a Wenger in man but sometimes its not the manager this one in my opinion lies firmly on the shoulders of the player. They were like boys out there not one wanted any responsibility.

So if your looking for a scapegoat I would look at the 11 on the pitch rather than the man in the dugout

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26 Feb 2015 09:54:29
Good post JK

They should of all been made to stay at the Emirates and watch the invincibls documentary

Then they might learn something about effort and teamwork

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26 Feb 2015 09:56:44
wengers been here for years its his team his squad. he has refused to buy a DM for years. the squad is lob sided. no balance.

he will not win us the prem again no chance. he's taking us backwards JK

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26 Feb 2015 10:11:46
While there is a lot of sense to what your saying DG. i'm afraid prior to the last 18 months we financially could not compete so if we are going to be realistic we can only judge Wenger on his exploits for the last 18 months. This is not championship manger to build a side to challenge on all fronts takes longer than 18 months to build.
I Firmly believe he has his targets in mind for the summer and top DM and ST are two of them.

Only thing I can blame him for is not sorting out the GK situation after Lehmann left.

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26 Feb 2015 13:10:33
jk. we could we are just tight. we have a lot of money coming in and people pay a lot to watch us and i feel for them. the owner is happy with spending as little as poss and getting the champions league. we are a cash cow. do any of koronkes teams win anything? no he bleeds them dry the guys a joke

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26 Feb 2015 09:11:30
Self destruct at its best, only a similar performance to what the invincible s did against inter will make up for this, i am not taking anything less than 5 goals at their home. Even if they win 3-0 and progress, i won't accept it.

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26 Feb 2015 09:04:22
ground hog day

nothing will change until a new manager comes in and we change the owner. the guys poison

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26 Feb 2015 08:29:34
What's done is done and let's be honest it was nothing we have seen happen lots of times before, apart from another heroic second leg win that wasn't quite enough the CL ship has once again sailed bang on time as it always does.
Old Trafford in the FA cup is now a game that if we allow that same old story to play out yet again will be an humiliation to far, its up to Arsene and the players to get themselves and their tactics 100% right on the 9/3/15 or face the inevitable consequences that has to follow yet another head in hands occasion.
There's still time, just but the clock is ticking

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26 Feb 2015 08:57:24
i don't think we will win the cup. tbh i hope we don't it will just give us another year of this.

let the russian in finally

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26 Feb 2015 12:48:24
You hope we don't win a cup? You call wenger poison... you seem to be the poison, you and others like you that bring neagtive energy to the game. I remeber you asking for Martinez to replace Wenger, that would have turned out well.
At the start of the game the 11 players on the team sheet were more than capable of winning. An off night, missed chances and mistakes cost us the game. Explain how that can be Wengers thoughts.

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26 Feb 2015 13:48:40
show me where i said martinez in please. everton eds will know i'm not a martinez fan he took a team down and he's like wenger can not build a defence.

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26 Feb 2015 13:50:20
my energy or posts have no effect on results i doubt ozil shows giroud my posts and crys. i'm just calling it as i see it. and as iv seen it for years

klopp, simeone would do after wenger to name two.

if we didn't win the fa cup last year wenger would be gone, i don't see us winning the cup this year anyway. do you?

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26 Feb 2015 19:41:20
We have a chance to.

Klopp is facing relegation and Simeone still in proven in my opinion.

The players have let the club, fans and manager down. Not the other way round. Do we miss a dm and world class keeper yes. does the squad have the ability to win big, yes.

It's the constant manager bashing that get me

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{Ed001's Note - Klopp is midtable!}

26 Feb 2015 07:57:57
Mert has to go, he is to slow. Ozil has to go I've backed him and put up with he's lazy performances but not no more! Too many times this season we have been " suicidal" just because we beat 1 team from the top four, doesn't mean we can win the league we have to give that performance every game. We need leaders of men, not pretty boys! With key games coming up in hope we get the results and keep third...unlikely but must keep the faith.

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26 Feb 2015 09:31:22
Ozil was one of our best players last night, don't just jump on board the Gary Neville and co train of hating Ozil because he took england apart in 2010.

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26 Feb 2015 09:44:51
I'm a fan of ozil and I don't think he has been as bad in an arsenal shirt as so many people make out. Especially since returning for injury. However last night he was terrible

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26 Feb 2015 07:30:51
We will win 1-4 at Monaco. Stay positive.

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26 Feb 2015 06:25:53
Awful performance. We have to look at our formation & tactics.
We must purchase a top class keeper & 2 powerful defensive midfield players.
For next season we must consider replacing the following:
Ospina - Too short for a top keeper
Szczesny - An immature keeper
Mertesacker - Too slow to play a high line
Monreal - Too slow
Flamini - Poor
Arteta - Aging, slow and injury-prone
We were beaten by a team, set out well and catching us on the break.

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26 Feb 2015 07:12:46
Ur right Robbie. We also need to play welbeck upfront or not at all. I'd sell him tho. Also ban cazorla and ozil playing at the same time on the pitch

Per was shown up. He didn't track his runner but we know why because he couldn't catch a cold.

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26 Feb 2015 11:43:16
To short to be a top keeper....that's a mental statement and how are y ou judging this? Is he getting lobbed week in week out? Pepe Reina wasn't the tallest lad and he was top notch! The last few weeks Ospina has been getting loads of praise from the fans and now all of a sudden he's sh!t......we need to stop being so fickle. A keeper can only do as well as the back four infront of him. BFG was the problem (again) last night.

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26 Feb 2015 13:14:07
gooner 83 check there 3rd goal last night. our goalie is 6foot? that's small for a goal keeper, . a bigger goalkeeper saves that. for me he isn't a number 1.

reina wasnt top class but he was good i agree he's 6foot 2. ospina is smaller mate

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26 Feb 2015 06:00:29
I do not blame Wenger for our loss yesterday. I had no problems with the team selection. The players failed him. We had soo many chances to kill the game off in the first half. We were just not clinical. And that happens in football, if you are not clinical, you will not win. Early on we played very well and played the ball into good areas but we have certain players who I shall not mention who did not do the jobs they are paid for.

Big fan of Per, but that was a pathetic display from him. Koscielny was also not that far behind either. We cannot moan about Pogba, Schneiderlin etc. They are not Arsenal players currently

I would love to see Wenger try something completely new. Play the Ox at CF anyone? because Lord we have tried, Giroud, Welbeck and Walcot must be the most wasteful trio in England

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26 Feb 2015 06:36:01
Unfortunately, Wenger is responsible. He has poor options for the central defensive midfield players, Flamini who is dire, Arteta who is aging, slow & injury prone and Coquelin who is a squad player at best. If Arsenal had, say, Schneiderlin & Wanyama in front of the back four, we would look solid. Last night we had Cazorla played out of position in a more defensive role and he looked poor. Wenger also insists on playing Metesacker in a high defensive line, which is suicidal, as he lacks pace. Indeed, playing a hign line at the top level is a higgh ask, as quality team exploit the space it provides. Ospina was a strange signing as he lacks the necessary height for a top keeper. I would like to see us try to sign Cech or Begovic.
Tactically, last night, Wenger got it wrong, playing a high line and trying to throw caution to the wind, against a good defensive team.

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26 Feb 2015 06:59:30
I'm afraid it is wengers fault. He picks the ram and the tactics and neither were up to scratch last night. I'm struggling tot think of one player who had a decent game. All 3 of our forward men were trying to play in the centre so we had no width, wenger needs to sort that out, even sche for has dropped slightly and him and cazorla both think they can take on the world whenever they get the ball and end up losing it. Not helped by he players around them but it's up to wenger to get them in the right positions. Walcott should be starting ahead of welbeck and it's got to be worth giving paulista a shot ahead of Merts

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26 Feb 2015 07:14:20
Rue. Welbeck on the wing? Cazorla centre mid?

I'd play. Ox. Sanchez. Walcott behind a striker. Pace and work rate.

Ozil can do one.

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26 Feb 2015 09:23:45
I hear you gents and I agree that our squad should be stronger. Team selection is always a contentious issue for us. But with the game that we played yesterday and the chances we got, we could have and should have won the match with those very same eleven players on the pitch. chances were created. Scoring was another issue

If we had put away 3 of the chances and half chances, we would all say "Play poorly and get three points... I'll take that any day"

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26 Feb 2015 10:06:11
rue did you hear henry on pep. saying he tells his wide men to stay wide. wenger i don't believe does this. we lack width at times. too many CAM in our squad i'm afraid

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26 Feb 2015 05:51:25
I have said this and will continue to say it, Giroud is not a trophy winning quality striker. I counted 4 opportunities that even Francis Jeffers would have scored.

We need a better striker. Giroud should be back up. because no matter how well you dribble and pass as a striker, to be counted as good, you need to put away more sitters than he does

Overall, the whole team was pathetic. Not a single player played well for us. Mistakes galore

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26 Feb 2015 09:55:54
Like you say, every single player had an absolute shocker - I'm speechless

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26 Feb 2015 02:54:25
Im obviously p155ed off we lost, but credit where its due. Monaco came with a plan, executed it to perfection and got the result they were looking for.

Wenger and the players thought we could turn up and play like they were against a mid table premier league team, well it serves them right.

I can only hope we wake up and kick on for the rest of the season. That said, what's the point in qualifying for the CL if we are just going to get embarrased at the knockout stage.

Two players who were particularly poor (the whole team was crap imo). Ozil was dire all game, didn't look interested and his attitude was appalling. Mertesacker was at fault for all 3 goals. Kos just spends half his time covering for his mistakes and lack of pace.

If we go out, fair enough. Monaco proved they weren't an east tie, and took the game to us. Good luck to them in the quater finals, theh earnt it.

The players have a lot to answer for. Apart from Welbeck and Ox, none of them looked interested. Feel for the Ox as it appeared to be his fault for the third goal,
But Mert was too slow to come across and cover.

All in all, a typical spineless Arsenal performance.
No leaders on the pitch and no was worthy of the Arsenal shirt.

What do you all think, was this appalling performance down to Wenger or the players? I personally think the players owe the fans an apology, especially Mertesacker and Ozil.

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26 Feb 2015 01:30:51
We've gone back to the way we were before the win at City, pure and simple.

We knew that they would sit back and try to hit us on the break, so we naturally revert to our slow, meaningless passing which commits too many men forward and we get done when we lose the ball. Great logic in your tactics there Mr. Wenger...

And all that stuff I said about Giroud earlier today... call me fickle, but I retract those statements, he was absolutely woeful tonight! missed about four absolute sitters. Looks like he's back to his old self as well.

I still see Wenger as the out and out problem for us as a lot of our players have the potential and current ability to be part of an absolutely world class side. Yet the system the manager plays, and the decisions he makes and hindering our players from reaching that potential. You can say our players aren't good enough, but you can't doubt that the likes of Ozil, Sanchez, Walcott, Ox, Ramsey and Koscielny have it in them. They just need the right manager and the right system.

For the first half of last season, I thought he had it sussed, everyone was playing out of their skin! The only thing missing was a dominant defensive midfielder and decent steps taken to prevent injuries and recurrences of injuries, as I still reserve the opinion that if Walcott, Ramsey and Ozil had stayed fit we'd have walked it to the title last season, with the way others were playing.

Even in pre-season and the Community shield we looked deadly. And then all of a sudden, when the real thing is upon us, Wenger changes a system that works, Rambo looks lost, that back four is all over the place, and with the attacking options and quality we have, we're struggling to score goals. Half arsed signings like Welbeck did nothing to help this situation, and of course the lack of a holding midfielder.

These severe fluctuations in form can't just be the players playing jeykl and hyde on the pitch. This HAS to be something that the manager is doing wrong, be it the way he sets up the team for certain games, which eight out of ten times, is usually wrong, or individual instructions he's giving to the players.

We've all seen what our boys can do when they're on it, and for a while we say that under the right circumstances, they can stay on it for a sustained period of time.

So after seeing all of the posts saying its our team that isn't good enough, i refuse to believe that it is. We've got some world class players who have shown their class at times, the only constant that I see, that seems to be the main hindrance to us is...

Arsene Wenger.

Sorry mate but you've lost your mojo, and the tactical, analytical brain that made you so famous during the last decade.... it's broken.

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26 Feb 2015 07:01:58
Great post

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26 Feb 2015 00:58:59
Very accurate post from Dags earlier, wish I could be as articulate.

My view is simple...

no effin desire or leadership in defence.

OK we missed a lot of chances but FFS when they broke we were all over the shop. Bloody clueless.

AW makes two changes to the team from last Saturday and on paper looked a good move but he got his game plan wrong. Two full backs pushing on leaving our centre backs exposed one of whom is slower than a snail in a French restaurant.

But what infuriates me, and as Dags has said, is AW walking down the tunnel at the end.

Man up, have a bit of respect and class, because not being funny the clock is ticking.

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