Arsenal Banter Archive April 27 2015

 

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27 Apr 2015 20:25:00
Firstly - well done Chelsea. Not pretty but you got the most points over the season which is the name of the game.

You have to admire their ruthlessness to win or draw at all costs. Their defensive performance was boring but also something to marvel at. There are two ends to the pitch and you got to be good at both ends by either conceding no more goals than the opposition or scoring more.

I believe we try to score more but with a wobbly defence

Chelsea try to concede less but with a few players who can create or score out of nothing

I am a Giroud fan but if option one is our choice - then TH14 was right. We need an upgrade. Even that might not be enough as Chelsea have shown playing out tight draws or a one nil can make all the difference when the points are added up. So TH14 was probably right again in terms of a CDM

I don't want us to play like a JM team as we are in the entertainment business which will keep the sky money coming in. But I also want some silverware so we need a slight change in fortune ( injuries ) and squad depth.

We aren't far away and I want to see us win with style. I am more frustrated because we should have taken the game to Chelsea in the second half better, I am tired of the hand break being on and I am super frustrated at the way we started the season. It was there to seriously compete for - AGAIN!

I didn't agree with TH14 on Ozil as he did not consider the amount of games missed and the great second half to the season he has had.

As a football fan I want the best team to win the league and a team that plays great football. I worlds not always like that and I need to accept it - the team with the most points wins. I need to respect that because when we win it next - even with 4 nil nils to wrap up the points - I will be happy. I would be happier if I could be proud of the way we played to win it, but let's get there first!!

To next season and this seasons FA Cup ( our fa cup win against Utd sucked, with the boys winning on penalties - I still celebrated although I look back with a strange feeling that we should have played better)

In the meantime Chelsea, we loan you the trophy, and congratulate you also.

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27 Apr 2015 23:15:37
Fine post mate.

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27 Apr 2015 19:36:24
I know this has been an ongoing discussion for years but I want to talk defensive midfielders.

I know we'd all like another, however, Matic was rightly named in the team of the season but can anyone say since his arrival that Coquelin has not done that same job for us equally as well if not better.

I think because he has come from nowhere that we believe there's no way that he can be the answer.

I say he's done everything to say he can and if you look at the other top clubs DM's none have a back up to the likes of Matic of note, his being Mikel who is no great shakes, with the exception of the Saints.

With the potential for the Gabriel, Koscielny, Coquelin axis next season with the emergence of Bellerin and Monreal playing so well, we look to have an ever improving back 5.

I get this feeling that Wenger will not buy another DM, that Arteta may be used in cup and lesser games.

Can you think of many games when Wenger would play 2 together. He has brought Flamini on to help see out games, something Arteta could do and when Ramsey dropped back there yesterday he was, amazingly, very disciplined.

Wilshere has been used there by England too.

By the way if we do, I'm now thinking Wanyama would be the one to get. No nonsense, has come on leaps and bounds since Celtic and showed what he could do against the best in the Champions League.

What does everyone else think?

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27 Apr 2015 21:33:33
There were games last year in the CL where we started with both flamini and arteta, the one against napoli being most memorable where they barely touched the ball for 45minutes. To be perfectly honest I would like to have the option of pairing le Coq with someone like schneiderlin in some games, and what're the odds of le coq have an injury and suspension free season? He loves the yellow cards

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27 Apr 2015 22:09:16
Biggest wanyama fan on here

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27 Apr 2015 22:38:29
Can only agree with your logic Mr Dog, feel the same way about bringing in Arteta as a squadie to see out games with Le Coq. Or what if we are trailing by a goal to a dangerous team, maybe he come in for Le Coq to try to drive more offense.

Definite player for the cups.

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27 Apr 2015 22:40:24
Also, was worried about Khedira's lack of bite but with Le Coq in place he might be a better fit now too.

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27 Apr 2015 22:52:58
Le Coq is and should remain our DM I have no doubt or fear about that Red the lads the real deal, but my biggest fear is he gets injured for a few games and we go back to playing with no real DM and win those games without him, would that then make Arsene go back to thinking we don't really need one? Sorry to be a little negative about Arsene on this as I'm sure at the moment he's a convert to the DM appreciation society I just don't want anything to make him question his membership

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27 Apr 2015 23:24:52
For me, a solid DM is one of the biggest commodities in world football.

Plenty of forwards change clubs, plenty of defenders and AM's, but not many DM's.

Would love to partner Coq with Schneiderlin, with Spyder being the more attack minded, ala Vieira and Petit.

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28 Apr 2015 07:04:13
Injury is a definite concern even though Le Coq is made of tougher stuff, my reasoning for Wanyama was simply because I don't want our DM to be attack minded, which the Spyder is.

Matic just does his job, yes he has a pretty good shot but I'm really into the stay at home DM and watching Le Coq that is what he does.

Whilst we have an abundance of midfielders we also need to think that Arteta, Rosicky, Flamini need replacing sooner rather than later. Khedira as a replacement for one of them would be good with me.

Great replies gents.

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28 Apr 2015 08:48:17
All the players talked about here are great options - but none of those options would make a whit of difference if we again play first half of the season with about 10 first team regulars out of action on long term basis.
Don't see why we need to think about selling midfieders unless they have reached end of use - we till need at least one maybe two worldy midfield players.

Still think the biggest change this second half of season was not just having le coq but actually deploying him to play defensively and preparing the team to defend as a whole.

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28 Apr 2015 08:55:50
If you watch Southampton wanyama is there DM and sypder more box to box. If wanyama is out Toby plays DM. Wanyama for me

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27 Apr 2015 17:38:46
not very often do i agree with you gooners but you lot were spot on about chelsea yesterday. they are the most boring team to watch in the league . mouriniho always moaned that teams park the bus but his team have been doing it all season. champions yes, rememberd no

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{Ed025's Note - bitter supporters do make me smile..

27 Apr 2015 17:52:36
Like him or not, the man is a winner and he turns his teams into winners.

When he took over last season, he said he will win the league the following season, he has proved himself to be correct.

He is an arrogant, big mouthed and very opinionated, but he is a damn good manager.

Nobody can accuse him of being a chequebook manager, he sold before he bought, and he bought wisely.

Sure, they are not the best team to watch, but their goals for/against column proves they have the balance just right.

They will soon be champions.
Deservedly so in my opinion.

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{Ed025's Note - unfortunately i agree dags..

27 Apr 2015 18:15:06
I dislike the mourinho who came back to the premier league very much but really enjoyed him first time round as he was funny and successful apposed to the bitter one who came back.
But love or loath him he gets results and success wherever he goes and that's not down to luck its down to ability.
If he had taken over utd last season they'd be champions this season for sure and probably last season too same with city had he replaced Mancini.
We don't have to like him but to pretend he's anything but a fantastic manager is ridiculous.

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27 Apr 2015 19:14:43
To be honest if Mourinho had been honest like he says he always is, he could simply have said:

"We came not to lose, we played some fantastic football at the start of the season and now we are simply closing out the final games, I make no excuses for being boring, I'm here to win the title, simple as."

End of story.

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27 Apr 2015 22:05:10
Totally agree Red

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27 Apr 2015 15:27:26
Lots of speculation about Cech, but has anybody seen him play in the past 18 months? He was a top keeper, but has he tapered off like Casillas, or is he going to be like Biuffon or Van Der Saar - phenomenal into their 40s? I seem to remember he was a bit shaky in his last full season playing, but not sure TBH.

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27 Apr 2015 16:26:19
He wasn't at his best in his last full playing season but has looked really good again this season when filling in for Courtois. Lots did write him off stating the injury that made him wear the scrum cap had affected him to much.

Just struggle to see Chelsea selling him to us anyway. Same as Spurs with Lloris.

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27 Apr 2015 17:01:28
I reckon he's still got it, he isn't anywhere near 40 - he's 32 which isn't extremely old for a keeper. I saw him play this season and he had a blinder, making one or two ridiculously good saves with both his hands and legs. I can't remember what game it was but I think it was in a domestic cup.

All in all, I would love him but I'm very doubtful about the possibility.

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27 Apr 2015 17:06:03
Hes fine. Still world class. Tbh casillas has come back good. It was Jose dropping him for no reason that was harsh

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27 Apr 2015 13:41:28
Belerins goal line clearance reminded me of another full back we used to know, speed of thought as well as speed in pace and a natural instinct to cover the line.
The lad has it all and will only get better and better, people say about him returning to the wing postion but I think better to go to be a very top right back than a decent winger

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27 Apr 2015 10:49:32
Chelsea's performance yesterday was the ultimate compliment to us. It's a performance that says ' if we go head to head with you, we'll lose' so instead they sit back and prey to find s goal on the break, yes it's boring but mourinho plays like that at the Emirates out of fear

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27 Apr 2015 10:57:54
Wow we must have been petrified of our own shadows under George then saint :-)

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27 Apr 2015 11:19:48
George graham? Before my time mate, having said that, I know footballs changed a lot since the 90s

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27 Apr 2015 11:26:34
It's true because last season he had no fear whatsoever taking it to us as we couldn't defend to save our lives.

Since January a whole new ball game.

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27 Apr 2015 13:34:54
Their celebraton at holding us to a point says it all. For them a point was a good result. I think they had more fear of us than the other way around. A big change from last few years. Do I have to say Terry and Mourinho = no class...Or is that redundant -:).

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{Ed025's Note - not nice people imo yyc, but as far as football goes their records speak for themselves mate..

27 Apr 2015 15:38:26
He had an average record at Real Ed. I can't argue that Terry has had an excellent career on the pitch but I would like to see Mourinho manage an international team one day or a team who isn't considered one of the best in their country - like Sir Alex leading Aberdeen to European and domestic glory, or Simeone winning la liga with Atletico and taking them to the champions league final with no 'massive' signings and a modest wage bill.

Regardless though, I can't deny he will go down as one of the greats and I'm not saying he hasn't deserved it - he's a very decorated manager and he's still relatively young.

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{Ed025's Note - he sort of achieved that with porto TPG..

27 Apr 2015 17:45:56
Jose at Madrid ended the last 16 curse. That was massive for them. Used to always lose to Lyon lol

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27 Apr 2015 18:21:52
Jose at Madrid beat arguably the best team this planet has seen to the title

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27 Apr 2015 21:45:55
you must be joking. wenger gets slated for not being able to beat mourinho with an inferior teams, and here we have mourinho with the most stacked team in years in madrid and he could only muster 3 wins over their eternal rivals? 1 copa del rey, 1 la liga title? go have a look and see what barca won during that time with their managers. people have goldfish memories.

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28 Apr 2015 09:00:31
He won there first copa del ray since 1993 I think or something silly. He broke them free of a lot of bad runs they were stuck in a rut in some ways

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28 Apr 2015 10:38:33
For me Ed, Porto are one of the top teams in their league - along with Benfica and Sporting. What he did with União de Leiria was closer to what I mean.

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{Ed025's Note - porto are decent side TPG, but for them to win the CL was a great feat imo mate..

28 Apr 2015 11:34:50
Yeah fair play Ed, it was. I've had a few nights sleep and can now have a more reasonable outlook (red tinted glasses aside) - I'm usually fairly graceful in a defeat/draw but I've never been a Chelsea fan and I really don't like Mourinho since he returned to England and his tactics recently are so frustrating to watch. For the record, he still isn't anywhere near Sir Alex yet though, amongst others :P

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{Ed025's Note - not many are chelsea fans TPG because of what they stand for, but the fact is they are the best team in the league mate, they will never be a proper club in my eyes though..but maybe thats just me..

27 Apr 2015 10:27:16
So the Thierry Henry thinks we need 4 players, a GK, CB, CDM, and ST who am i to disagree with him.

The problem i have is who do we bring in? If Giroud is not the answer fair enough, but who is available who would improve us?

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{Ed025's Note - ibrahimovic?..benzemar?..

27 Apr 2015 11:20:34
No ed, the question was who'd improve us

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{Ed002's Note - How about something like Cech, Perrin, Fekir and Higuain?}

27 Apr 2015 11:34:24
Two top players Ed but are they fincially viable if we need to strengthen in other areas too?

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{Ed025's Note - that will depend on the offer mayson..every player has his price mate and i feel that if 1 player could make the difference its a striker..

27 Apr 2015 12:04:14
Perrin no thanks. Lacazette would be great. Alderweireld in defence

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27 Apr 2015 12:46:48
Forgot about Higuain, would be my first choice!

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27 Apr 2015 14:01:07
Who the hell are Perrin and Fekir, never heard of them (as long as its not Reggie Perrin I suppose!)

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27 Apr 2015 14:22:56
Loic Perrin is a CB who plays for St Etienne. Too old (28/29) and not good enough for us imo. Nabil Fekir is a CAM/ST who has been in great form for Lyon. Again, not sure he is what we need.

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27 Apr 2015 15:24:22
Derby has it just right. Alderweireld would be excellent. Can play anywhere in defence and has done a great job in CDM too if you want to change your tactics/formation. Lacazette, I hope he's on our radar.

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27 Apr 2015 17:08:32
You know it yyc. Southampton have an option to buy for something like 6mill. But atletico can pay them I think 1.8mill to end that clause and have him back. They will surely pay it

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27 Apr 2015 21:36:52
Do we have any interest in Alderweireld though? I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Arsene was the one who suggested Southampton take him on loan in the first place?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

27 Apr 2015 10:00:53
chelsea are worthy champions and pretending otherwise is nonsense, at the start of the season they were playing excellent football and many thought they might go the season unbeaten because they did look so good.
Do I like negative tactics game after game? No not at all George Graham style Arsenal drove me nuts but to each thier own.
What chelsea do or how they play is there business its up to us to better them in both style and substance over 38 games and we are a lot closer to them now than for a very long time.
A bit of dignity in defeat this season will hopefully be repaired in the years ahead when people will be talking about Arsenal as the peoples champions who play beautiful sexy successful football that delivers title's once more but until let's be dignified runners up not bitter losers

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{Ed025's Note - your right G62, arsenal fans are better than that imo..

27 Apr 2015 10:15:21
I dislike mourinho greatly Ed but to deny his ability to build successful teams and out perform other mangers tactically time after time is just silly, don't get mad get motivated to be better than them next season is my motto.
The Leeds side that won the last ever division one title were awful but over 38 or 42 games who ever gets most points are worthy champions that's reality.

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27 Apr 2015 10:42:05
No dignity in finishing behind a mourinho team with Terry and Willian in it

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27 Apr 2015 10:50:33
g62,

You have to take your hat off to them, the way they played at the start of the season has allowed them the luxury to close out the title in any way they want at the end.

They have played every game with a pretty small core of players this season and the flying start, minimal injuries and Mourinho's no lack of management skill has allowed them to win it.

I had City as retaining their trophy and Chelsea 3rd with us squeezed inbetween at the start of the season as I thought Chelsea's lack of real depth may effect them. It hasn't and they've done it.

But I said further down the page that the difference for us now is we have money and a DM.

Spend big again in the summer because we can will ensure we are no longer be left behind.

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27 Apr 2015 11:31:27
He doesn't build teams, he inherits great teams and implements his tactics.

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27 Apr 2015 11:40:25
Totally agree Red we have far too much to be pleased and excited about to waste our time on silly bitterness and sour grapes.
This season FA cup winner's and premier league runners up is an excellent base to build on in the summer and improve on next season, and why can't we!

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27 Apr 2015 16:02:32
to be fair TPG he brought in matic, fab and costa and recalled courtouis who have all greatly improved the team and done it for less than the players offloaded, i disslike him but that's building a team to me

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27 Apr 2015 17:04:57
That's buying a team to me :P

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27 Apr 2015 09:34:05
"Arsenal need to buy four players, they need tha spine, "
"Zero goals, two assists. That is not enough. Since joining Arsenal he has 14 assists. Now if you look at Fabregas at Chelsea, he has 16 assists in one season."
Thierry Henry

I for one don't want him managing our team. If he is quick to go to stats, Cesc has done very less in th 2nd half of th season(didnt even do a thing yesterday), even though he needed no adapting to the league as he he played here before. Ozil on the other hand was injured for a long time(this season & last). But he gained weight and is going from weakness to strength. Not that I'm defending Ozil but, a respected club legend should not just go to the media to critize players but should give the manager backing. As we look a different today than at th start of the season when we had had many injuries. Look how Giroud, Ozil, Le Coq r all playing in recent weeks(Ozil assists to Sanchez a week ago). 1 draw in so many league wins without losing 1 is still a revelation. At the moment he sounds like a panic buyer who would turn us into Man united if he ever manage us.

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{Ed025's Note - hes just doing his job as a pundit nam and saying the same as a lot of people mate..

27 Apr 2015 10:08:34
He isn't doing a very good job at being a pundit in my opinion. Incredible player but poor pundit.

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27 Apr 2015 10:13:28
I back him on this one. The guys a winner and knows what it takes. Cech. Lacazette would be a good start this summer

Ozil or cesc . Cesc for me. But I still think cazorla should be our number 10. But our best option would be Sanchez at num10 longterm

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27 Apr 2015 10:31:32
Jordan Henderson and Danny Sturridge received lots of praise last season and deservedly so but this season people are questioning their ability, most players look better in a team that's flying high and of course most players struggle to shine in a team there struggling.
Fabregas looked excellent first half of the season and Ozil the second half of it I don't think its a lot more complicated than that really.

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{Ed025's Note - has mesut really looked outstanding in the second half of the season G62?, good would be my description mate..

27 Apr 2015 10:44:44
Good pundit, but I disgree with him having a dig at ozil. Think it's a little petty for such a legend

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{Ed025's Note - possibly saint..or it may just irk him that after giving 100% every time he played to see a player who appears to stroll through games at times.. take your pick..

27 Apr 2015 10:55:16
In the name of compromise I'll meet you half way and settle for very good Ed :-)

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{Ed025's Note - fairly good it is then G62.. :)

27 Apr 2015 11:56:21
Ozil Dosent do it for me in the no 10 rolerather play carzola or Sanchez

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27 Apr 2015 12:06:53
Sturridge hasn't been fit and I see him struggling for a while now with injuries. Henderson has done well but not outstanding.

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27 Apr 2015 13:46:50
I don't get it, i thought he was pretty good yesterday, i would take ozil over csec any day. Even csec isn't playing a no 10 role, he is playing the deep role, which currently carzola is

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{Ed025's Note - i think you may be in the minority there hood. but in the end its all about opinions mate..

27 Apr 2015 16:29:02
Ozil for me. Chances of us getting Cesc is even limited. So irs better we do good with what we have and improve in positions that need improving. Top priorities this transfere season... GK, CB & DM. If Walcott &/or Cazorla leave than we can bring in a winger/forward. Many teams won the league and their CF was not the top goalscorer. Eversince he came back from injury Giroud has done briliantly. So deserve a bit of credit.

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27 Apr 2015 17:30:56
We are not saying we will sign cesc. We had that option is gon . I wouldn't want hi . But I'd have him over ozil. Sanchez num10 with reus wide left. #thedream lol

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27 Apr 2015 08:56:30
I think a meagre 4 league titles in 110 years is pathetic let alone boring. Puts them level with Sheffield Wednesday, bahahahahahahaha!!

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27 Apr 2015 09:53:33
That did really annoy me when he said that. Clearly he isn't too clued up on Chelsea's history. Honestly he is a great manager but I cannot stand his arrogance.

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27 Apr 2015 09:58:11
Oh come on give them credit - They got exactly what they needed and did exactly what they wanted to do. Arsenal invented winning boring - 1 nil to the Arsenal ring any bells? You'd love to win another title regardless of if it was 'boring' or not. Try to be humble, others on this site are managing it.

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{Ed025's Note - well said rosie, spot on mate..

27 Apr 2015 10:51:11
Rosie I agree with almost you say chelsea are very worthy champions elect and a bit of humidity shouldn't be beyond anyone who hopes to be taken seriously, but personally I'd rather be runners up 100 times watching the invincibles over 38 games than winning a hatrick of titles under George style football ever again, to each thier own I know.

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27 Apr 2015 11:35:46
Agree, G62. As a spectator, you want the spectacle to be as spectacularly entertaining as possible!

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27 Apr 2015 11:46:57
And if you go back to the first half of the season you will see Chelsea getting the results and playing some lovely football. It's easy to forget but they haven't played boring park the bus football all season. It's like a driver in formula one, you give yourself a nice enough lead and then drive safe to make sure the car behind doesn't over take - Liverpool could have done this last year but they didn't and they crashed and burned. Smart football, smart tactics and despite being an unhappy United fan you have to congratulate Chelsea.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you rosie..

28 Apr 2015 22:54:03
RedRosie. The point was not about getting results or how teams play, it was about 4 titles to 14 and the audacity the classless portuguese man had to even mention the history of Arsenal when he manages a small club with no history and a corrupt owner billionaire. I remember the 1-0 to the Arsenal days very well darling, thanks for the patronising reminder and if you'd actually followed Arsenal around the country and gone to as many matches as I did, you'd know how much attractive football we did play during that time and how many spankings we handed out. There's obviously F all of interest going on at your club if you feel the need to come on to the Arsenal page and make out your some kind of authority on football. Now do one back to your non-mancunian bunch and leave us to debate OUR team. This is not a free for all site, that's why we have our own pages

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{Ed025's Note - i dont get that WG, if rosie was being abusive or nasty then i could understand your point, but it was a valid argument and other posters are welcome on this and every other teams pages im afraid, G62 and dags often visit other pages and post so i dont see why you object to outsiders having their say, you dont have to agree with them and you can ignore their posts if you like mate, but exclusivity is not happening..

27 Apr 2015 08:32:31
So we didn't beat chelsea or mourinho again no shame there as they are run away leaders for a reason,
But new years day at Southampton who'd have thought we would be 9 points clear of 5th place with 5 games to go plus have a 2nd place finish in our own hands and another cup final to look forward too.
Yes yesterday showed we still have a way to go to be the best of the best again but we are closer now than we have been for years.
We need to strengthen in the summer of course to really push ourselves into 38 game contenders for next season but all in all things aren't looking to shabby at all.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree with all of that G62..

27 Apr 2015 08:29:58
Did Hazzard arrive to pick his dubious award up last night? Not sure if Bellerin had taken him out of his pocket or not! Seriously though, I don't think I have ever seen a player who goes missing so much (yesterday being a prime example)win the player of the year award.Too many people, players and fans alike take their football knowledge from the gutter press and appalling punditry instead of investing their time in watching the games and formulating their own opinions.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont think it was dubious at all davros, he has been the one who has been the difference this season mate..

27 Apr 2015 09:43:56
I agree Davros, he was nowhere to be seen yesterday, 13 goals 8 assists, Sanchez has 14 goals 8 assists in his first season in the Prem.

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27 Apr 2015 09:46:33
I'm a bit surprised that everyone is putting him up there with Messi and Ronaldo too, not even the best player in the Chelsea team for me.

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{Ed025's Note - nowhere near those 2 TPG, but has been quality for me mate..

27 Apr 2015 10:22:09
Where was Sanchez yesterday davros? Pretty sure ivanovic had him & monreal in both he's pockets, if you're such a fountain of football knowledge you would notice he goes missing because he's defending...not just about attacking mate it's a team game you have to do both & he's done that all season long, plus the goals, assists, most dribbles, most chances created, puts players on their backsides & he's the most exciting player to watch on the ball, you forget the players voted for him not the "gutter press" nor was it because of appealing punditry

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{Ed025's Note - sancez has been outstanding as well S88, but hazard has made the difference for chelsea to win the league mate, and in my eyes fully deserves the award..

27 Apr 2015 10:17:03
Thy should of scrapped the award this year no one really deserved it. Look at the past winners. Henry. Gerrard. Suarez etc. This year no one has stood out too much.

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27 Apr 2015 10:54:25
If Sanchez had been a bit more consistent throughout the whole season I think it would of been more difficult to choose between the two for sure but overall I think hazard has been the best hence the award

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