Arsenal Banter Archive December 27 2012

27 Dec 2012 23:37:37
Im thinking of purchasing a red membership, will i be able to purchase multiple tickets for a game, if so does the other person(s) have to also be members
Thanks, CheshireGooner

You will be able to buy one ticket per membership mate it sucks.

When games don't sell out within a week of going to Red Members, you can buy Friends & Family tickets, which I think allows you to buy up to 4 seats for non-members.

Stezza.

Wrong, on occassions you will be eligible to buy up to 4 on some games, but for most games only 1 but you can always purchase 2 memberships as a safe guard.

1404

Any games worth going traveling to it will be 1 per member.

All games are worth going to if your a real fan off your club

1404

You can network your membership card with others allowing you to buy tickets for others and them for you.

27 Dec 2012 21:24:28
would love us to go back to a 4-4-2 we have the personnel to do it all we need is a big powerhouse in the middle to boss the midfield and replace any players leaving like for like i.e chamakh-ba......arshavin-zaha......squillaci-m'biwa.......santos-shaw
would be good to see
shez.
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sagna.per.verminator.gibbs.
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.ox.(wanyamma/diame).wilshere.podolski.

giroud.walcott.

with the invincible's the whole midfield was over 6ft strong and powerful but at the moment we have arteta, wilshere, cazorla who are about 5'7-5'8 and none could be labeled as powerful I just think we could do with this system...the same system that we won the majority of titles with.

Baz136.

Arteta and Cazorla along with Jack are the heart of our team.

Yes they are but could you just remind me what position we are in at the moment and also why cazorla was walking most of the game at wigan? its called having a plan B and rotating your squad something arsene wenger is completely inept at!

So you want to have Arteta and Cazorla on the bench?

The man with the most passes completed and highest pass completion rate in the prem (Arteta)

and the man whos created more chances than any other player in the prem?

You must be maaaaaaadd, What you smoking?

R.O.B

The current squad and setup of the way we play cannot adapt to a rigid 4-4-2. to have to switch to a different playing style would ruin the whole Arteta-Wilshere-Cazorla axis thing we've finally got working in the middle. not to mention our wide players now becoming useless thanks to added defensive duties that they can barely manage now as it is.

only person to benefit here would be Giroud and possibly Walcott (who, lets face it, won't be staying on much longer).

the term 'moot point' springs to mind.

psychocyst.

No not at all just that 4-3-3 doesn't work against every team so its good to be able to mix it if we can't break a team down with plan A :/

Baz136.

27 Dec 2012 18:07:52
No No No, enough is enough. I can't bare these pathetic rumours anymore. People get a grip, players like demba ba and diame are not the type of players we should be looking at. We need to get this terrible attitude that signing mid table players is acceptable. I hate him as much as the next guy, but no mater how u feel, Robin van Persie is a world class player that hasn't been replaced. A proven striker is needed to mend the wound that Judas has created. I am looking forward to January, as this will separate the men from the boys and really test Wenger's stubornes to the full. Face it people, Walcott's good, not world class, and I for one don't really care whether or not he signs a new contract. Rant over. CheetahChaz97

And who is this world class striker?

Not many can match RVP. And not many will join us in our current state. If we compete for title maybe in the summer we can attract world class striker but in january it is so unlikely.

We have NEVER EVER bought world class - we have ALWAYS bought good players and moulded them into world class....

Do I even need to make the list. The bulk of our invincibles were based on this policy. We are not Real Madrid / City / Cheslea / PSG (groups of talented players).

We are strongly based on a TEAM (sum of the parts, et all).

So no we won't sign Cavani / Falcao. But we never would have. Players liek Adrian Lopez, etc. are much more in line with how we have always bought players.

Billybob

27 Dec 2012 15:27:26
I was just wondering realistically who people on here want arsenal to sign in January, or what areas are for you are most important to strengthen. Also if there are any players that we have been linked with that people really don't think we should sign?

For me we need to sign a defensive midfielder, I know we've been linked with Diame and M'vila but many would prefer Capoue or Wanyama, but I must admit I really haven't seen enough of any of these players to say which I would prefer, Diame seems most affordable with the release clause but I was impressed with Wanyama in champions league and Capoue in the brief highlights I've seen. But I think this is key area to strengthen.

I think we also need both a proper winger and a proper striker with one in january and the other coming in the summer, the fact we have played a few games where we've looked like we wont score or haven't makes me lean more to striker. I personally think if you look at the squad we have too many players who can play both positions or want to play upfront rather than one position really well. I realise we have the option of Podolski upfront but Wenger doesn't seem to like to do that, not sure what to make of Walcott there yet and there are contract issues, Gervinho is useless everywhere, Chamakh never plays leaving Giroud as our only out and out striker. Most of these are also our wingers as well hence me saying we need to get real a winger as well. I know we've been linked with Huntelaar but that's a no go and now Demba Ba, but I'm not sure how I feel about that, transfer fee maybe small but agent fees and wages could make this an expensive move. Personally I would like Lewandowski although I doubt it is possible or if he would move in January though I would be happy to wait till the summer, rumours he will join or has agreed to join United in press but some German journalists saying all agent talk.

And the player I think we should avoid sadly looks likely, Adrian Lopez, don't get me wrong good player but he is another one of these strikers who can also play on the wing as he does for Madrid and likely would for us and I feel we have enough of these players in the squad.

Interested to see what others think
Will

Quality post. for me it's a dm as well. or not necessarily a dm but a midfielder with size. you can see with diaby in the team the midfield was good with and without the ball. my favorite is fellaini, too bad it's unrealistic. although i'd love us to try everton's resolve with a 30m bid (he's worth every penny). diame or wanyama are more likely and i'd take one of them.

not sure about a proper winger. we don't simply do that. we've always had "central" players wide to help midfield keep the ball. although having a winger in the team would provide a solid plan b so maybe.

if theo stays we don't need a striker.

imo we shouldn't rush now. it's january and prices go higher than in the summer. if we sign a midfielder and keep theo i'm satisfied. this team has a good chance to finish in the top 4 but winning the league is very unlikely so why not save the money till the summer and then strengthen properly?

iceman

"Realistically"... I don't like this word associated to our transfer ambitions... But I think that if the board decides to invest I'd go for Isco, which could go because of Malaga's financial situation, and for Strootman or Biglia. If we could get N'Koulou I'd also be really glad as he's better than Mertesacker IMO. A goalkeeper, why not but I don't know who (I like Josh Vickers he reminds me of a Lloris... but is still a bit green...) and I'm getting less and less realistic there. The players I'm talking about are all a bit upon what we're used to pay but still affordable I guess.

27 Dec 2012 14:09:20
AW "im only looking to purchase players of exceptional quality"

Then the next player we are linked with is a French u21 midfielder playing for Leicester City?? pure comedy

N. Wales Gunner

Linked only.

27 Dec 2012 15:31:24
Watch his back heel goal...

People need to stop thinking being linked with a player means we are getting him or even interested. Newspapers like to make up stories, wait until the facts come out before judging wenger.

Im from leicester and he is crap! Another small weak mid

27 Dec 2012 12:42:57
Ha ha ha (chuckle in the style of Christopher Lee a la Hammer Horror).... Seems that the oracle ED002 has been drawn from his temporary retirement to provide us with pearls of rumour! Good on ya fella (if you are a lady please do not take this the wrong way!).

Hackney Gooner ;p

I don't know where Hackney is, but what I know is that Ed002's football knowledge surpasses yours in every single way. ...................... {Ed002's Note - I think it was a complement actually.}

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^hackney is in London next to holloway the home of Arseanl f.c you my friend are obviously not a London gooner.

Narh my friend, I'm a gooner from a country far away from UK, but that doesn't stop me from supporting my beloved Arsenal.

Ok then buddy but I never said it did?

Baz136.

27 dec 2012 11:50:28
in ed002 we trust...

hope you had a good xmas buuddy...

malaga gooner {Ed002's Note - I did thanks.}

26 Dec 2012 23:51:42
Teams like chelsea and man city buy all the players we were interested in but couldnt afford (wages wise). But when these teams replace those players with the falcaos and cavanis of modern football and those initial targets end up on the scrap heap or being rotated to ****. Players i would love to have at arsenal.

like;

Lukaka (personally think hes a beast but isnt going anywhre at chelski) Marin, Sturridge, Dejko the geko, sinclair.

ha! yeh maybe not sturridge or sinclair but seriously you hear about young players like isco and el sharawy who would be a perfect fit for arsenal and have been linked in the past. It just would be a shame if they messed up all their careers by not comming to us lol

Lukaku is 19. He is on a loan spell playing regularly for WBA. How in the world have you got he is going nowhere from that?

Marin has been injured for the majority of the season, so whether he was at Chelsea or a club like yourselves and QPR, it wouldn't matter. He wouldn't be getting games.

Sturridge, once again has been injured alot, and has shown on numerous occasions, when given the chance that he is far too selfish.

Sinclair had the choice of playing week in week out for the love of the sport and a decent paycheck every week, or sit on the pine and get paid plenty. He chose the latter. Says more about him, then it does about Citeh.

As for players 'messing up their careers by not coming to us', tell me how in the world you have come to that conclusion. Most players, play to win trophies. Using this well known logic, any player that goes to Arsenal would be messing up their careers. You are not a powerhouse on the pitch, don't worry about off it. Players know if they go to arsenal they can play some attractive football and qualify for CL. That is as far as their career will go with you lot. Then when they get bored on consistently failing, they turn to the big boys in the world to bolster their cabinets. Eg. Fabregas, Nasri, RVP, Clichy. All came to your club young and left with nothing. Since leaving every one of them has gone on to bigger things. Tell me how anyone of these players has messed up their careers by leaving you lot? Get a grip mate, Sahin even chose Liverpool over you lot, says it all really.

Eagerly awaiting your response

Melbourne CFC

Haha first of all its my opinion nothing more.
My point being self evident but ill spell it out for you. Oil rich teams like Chelski and Citeh have a tendancy of ruining the careers of players like;
Nasri
Ballotelli
Lukaka ( Where on earth is he going to be if torres, falcao (if the rumours are true), hazard, oscar, mata and moses are playing. (Not to mention the rumours of theo joining up to!)
josh mcechren (forgive the spelling)
scot sinclair
jack rodwell
dan sturridge
ryan bertrand

not to mention all the other young players not even given a chance at those clubs.

i understand that oscar and hazard for instance are young and will not have their careers ruined but the young players that your academys have brought in will never get a look in.

That is the niche that Arsenal and Wenger has over all the other teams. I can only hope more young players like the ox can see that Arsenal is the best option for them.

andre rio {Ed002's Note - You need to understand that only 11 players can start a game and others may be used on the bench, may be sent on loan for experience or may form part of a squad. Frimpong and Miyaichi are out on loan, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Jenkinson hardly start every game.}

Oh and have a word with your lot about that horrible champions of europe song you guys sing its getting old..... and inaccurate ;)

have to be inittowinit
andre rio

Ed002 put it pretty well. To add my spin: these are players in a squad, which compete on multiple fronts. All young and some were bought solely as raw talents to develop over time (Lukaku). Mentioning Josh Mc, Sturridge, Bertrand in the same bracket as Nasri, Sinclair, Ballotelli, Rodwell and Moses is just silly. The aforementioned were brought into academies, to develope at very young ages (14-18), while the latter were bought to play first team football regularly, and rotated through a squad.

I would have to argue while you claim those careers are currently being wasted, I think the majority would beg to differ. Nasri and Ballotelli have league winners medals. Bertrand a CL winners medal. Sturridge has been given exposer on the European stage. Rodwell, Sinclaire and Moses were bought to add to squad depth, and although Rodwell has had limited opportunites he is in a team making a title push. As is Sinclair. Moses I would think would be rapped with the amount of minutes he is getting, in a team aiming for cup and title success, rather than battling relgation. Ballotelli is his own worse nightmare, and Nasri is being used as he was intended, rotating in and out of a PL title winning squad dependant on who Mancini decides upon any day.

The real youngsters like Josh and Romelu are out of loan to gain minutes. As the Chelsea squad was invested heavily on, during the summer, so have attained more experienced players in the squad. It was decided they would be better suited at different teams for the year. Both are currently getting good minutes, playing well on a consistent basis, and developing well. As was intended by those that decided to send them out.

Arsenal does not have a "niche" on playing young players. Liverpool have Sterling. An 18yo kid, that just signed his first professional contract and is playing regular for a regation battling team. Luke Shaw, an 18yo kid is playing regurarly for Southampton. Ross Barkley, a 19yo kid is beginning to see minutes at Everton. Nathan Ake a 17yo got minutes in his first PL game for Chelsea against Norwich. This is just four different clubs, and four different plays that are getting a look in. Their are many others.

I know the argument for Arsenal over the past decade has been they develop youth extremely well. Where has it gotten Arsenal? No success of any kind in 7(?) years. And the youth that has been developed, some have gained actual success at others clubs. From Nasri and Clichy, to Fabregas, and RVP this year. Even Thiery has won silverware since leaving Arsenal. Get a grip guys, your a feeder club. Dont be surprised while your glad Ox is getting game time, Chelsea and City are glad they have options like Marin and Nasri on their bench. This has become very much a rant so I wont even go into the fact Ox wasn't an Arsenal academy player.

Goodluck for the season, you should atleast get Europa League next year. If only you could win the Champions League....

Melbourne CFC

Every point Melbourne has made is absolutely correct. Don't understand the disagrees. As for ruining careers there are plenty at arsenal who stagnated/got worse/went nowhere, many of which are still here.
AG

One point Melbourne CFC didn't make was that Chelski and City have bought their way to the top. Their title achievements will forever be marked down as purchased not earned.
Enjoy your tainted titles Melbourne and remember your lot has the respect of no one outside Chelski. Cheaters!
Ezdee

Melbourne made a lot of good points, but at the end of the day, the history of a football club is just as important as its future, and Arsenal FC has a very proud history, a history that Chelsea fans can be jealous of.

No surprise chelsea fans are delighted that they have an owner that is also a fan, and so buys the best players available to him..but it wont last forever will it.

Melbourne say what you like, you're oil club are still everything that is wrong with football. We can't all afford to spend 75 million quid on two players if our season isn't going to plan.

Proud Gooner.

27 Dec 2012 19:17:25
Lucas Piazon is an academy player (homegrown), and is with the senior team getting decent game time at 18. Lukaku was bought for the future and is developing as expected, should be back sooner than later. Marin and Sturidge have been injured. Sturidge was vital to our success last season, however we need an upgrade hence selling him. McEachran, Kevin DeBruyne, Kalas, etc are all developing well and shd be back soon with the first team. Moses is another young raw talent who has a place in the first team and is developing. Bertrand is Coles's understudy and is getting decent game time more than Santos. What more do you expect?
Basics

The simple question is Arsenal fans, would you rather spend money and win trophies or not and not win anything. I think you'll find many of you chaps calling for Usmanov to buy the full share of the club and to start spending money like Chelsea and City. The simple fact is, is that Arsenal fans are jealous of Chelsea and Cities recent past.

PR!