Arsenal Banter Archive February 27 2015

27 Feb 2015 20:06:35
BG its quite simple top clubs are measured by titles and consistency, not because of one season wonders, we have more titles than chelsea and mancity so we are better, here is my list not in any particular order.

lol

So we win 1 trophy in 9 years, no CL final and Chelsea win loads and we are still above.................PNE maybe, they were good a few years ago hmmmmm who else shall we pick .

You can't include us because we have done nowt for a decade

{Ed025's Note - you are a moaning sod BG, arsenal are a great club with great history and tradition, in the top 3 english clubs of all time.. so stop trashing your team mate..

27 Feb 2015 20:21:53
Nicely put ed

There been a lot of trash talking going on ere lately
A lot of boring negative posts

Bring back the positives I say ;)

{Ed025's Note - we all want our club to do better je, and its easy to get frustrated when things are not all rosy in the garden, but thats what a supporter is all about, through thick and thin as they say mate..

27 Feb 2015 20:26:21
Yawn ED

We are talking Europe........and thank you, you have hit the nail on the head in one word.

History ...........that is all we can rely on, its a bit like the Manc fans before Fergie got there saying how great the Busby Babes.

Get your fact right, this was a European discussion.

Yes there is us Mancs and L'pool but trust me( Domestically) if we have another 10 years like we just have had then Chelsea and M City jump over us.

{Ed025's Note - come on BG, its not as bad as you are painting it mate, fa cup holders, 19 consecutive CL qualifications, great chance of that being 20, and a good chance to retain the cup...not bad imo..

27 Feb 2015 20:29:08
Oh

And they are my team and over the years god knows how much I have spent watching them ( Thousands), so if want to have a pop I bloody well will mate

:)

{Ed025's Note - you can have a pop BG, thats only fair, but at times it seems that you dont like them at all!, thats all im saying mate..

27 Feb 2015 20:34:02
Completely agree ed :)

Let's just hope we get back to winning ways at the weekend

That wasn't a dig at you either BG mate, just reading the same thing over n over will drive a fella mad ;)

{Ed025's Note - i hope BG is moaning his head off after the weekend, it means that the mighty blues have got a result.. :)

27 Feb 2015 20:43:48
Really

So you class 19 consecutive years of qualifying as success? We would be better off missing that and seeing what a real challenge for the title is like. Are there really many genuine fans on here who think in August we have a chance of getting to the CL final, we couldn't even win it with the all stars 10 - 11 years ago.

And a good chance of retaining the cup...............ok, I will have a tenner with you we don't get past Mancs .

Don't get me wrong I would love too but they have the mental sign over us.

We have won the league 13 times..............sounds good but only 6 times in the last 62 years ...........only twice in the last 17 years, this is my problem.

F A Cup not too bad 4 times in 18 years

League Cup or whatever its called..............just twice.

Modern day Stats say we are miles off the pace, let's not dress it up please

{Ed025's Note - i think im flogging a dead horse mate..so i will shut up.. :)

27 Feb 2015 20:54:02
Over the 40 odd years I've been watching football there's been Arsenal man u Liverpool Leeds Everton fleetingly Newcastle Blackburn plus West ham had a season and more recently city and chavs seriously challenging for the title, without having a go I can truly never remember a serious spurs challenge.
The constant teams challanging for league and cups over those years have been Arsenal Liverpool and man u, all 3 have had time on the outside but have bounced back quickly.
But its the last 10 years chavs city utd have dominated the title.
Arsenal are among the worlds top clubs no question but when it comes to top current teams in the world we make up the numbers rather than sit amongst the elite

27 Feb 2015 21:16:38
To be fair to Bambam, he is still responding to the post of us being a top 5 or 6 club in world football.

No chance.
RM, Barca, B Dort, Man City, Chelsea, PSG, Juventus, to name but a few are bigger than us.

I posted yesterday, we are in top 12, no more than that.

5th or 6th? Nope.

And to be fair to Ed, we are a team steeped in history.
Great history, fanbase, stadia, finances.

But, so were Woolworths and Mothercare and C and A, but look at them now.

History is great, but to keep rewriting history you have to keep winning things, ala Barca and RM.

But, I'm optimistic until my last breath.

I maintain, despite many peoples opinion, we are only 2 players away from a title winning team.
2 good players in the correct position and we will be challenging City and Chelsea next season.

Keep the faith.

28 Feb 2015 00:55:30
Ed and every body interested, the point is we are perennial under achievers. Our supporters pay probably the most in the world to watch a team of nearly men and they aren't getting value for money. Now whether it be football or bread, if people are being short changed, they are not happy. We aren't a club who should be under achieving year after year. I did my supporting years ago and got good value, we are now a supporting act not a top of the bill team, we should be.

{Ed025's Note - i hear what your saying steve, and although i think you are being a bit harsh on the club realize that i must be the one out of step..so i agree arsenal are a disgrace, the frenchman is in a time warp, and only the present matters.... i rest my case..

27 Feb 2015 09:41:54
Congratulations Ed025 Everton the last team standing and deservedly so, Liverpool should never have been in it as I think it further devalues the Europa league to let teams who fail in the CL enter at such a late stage, I felt the same when we got to the final by default and lost to galaturks.
Obviously spurs getting done was a small crumb of comfort on a very bad week for us

{Ed025's Note - thanks G62 mate..

27 Feb 2015 22:39:49
hopefully lukaku can bring you that form in to the league and start repaying you... starting next weekend :) also hope you win the europa and get cl would be well happy for you guys

27 Feb 2015 18:59:44
Was driving past a very slow learner driver today.

So, I overtook him, cut him up and shouted "get off the road you idiot".

And that's why I failed my test.

28 Feb 2015 06:24:52
Good one Dags!

I remember when I failed my driving test, I did everything so well and at the end, the instructor said good job, then I relaxed and opened my beer

27 Feb 2015 15:31:25
This is Wenger's normal reply at a press conference for a European match, when asked, "How are you going to deal with your opponents strengths?".

"Let's not speculate on our opponents and concentrate on our own game".

Is Wenger correct?
Do you play to your own strengths?
Do you not worry about your opponents?

Some would say, he has faith in his own players, and believe's they will outplay their opponents.

Some would regard it as Wenger being naive, stubborn and tactically inept.

It has been proved, time and again, domestically and abroad, we have come up short, especially against the bigger teams.

From memory, Barca always play the same way, be it against Bayern or Brentford, with tremendous success.

Have we, or should I say Wenger, fallen into the trap of thinking "if its good enough for Barca, its good enough for us?".

So, is Wenger correct to play to our own strengths or should he change tactics/formations to nullify our opponents?

27 Feb 2015 16:16:41
We don't have the players barca used to have. A lot was messi. Xavi. Iniesta. Amazing 3sum :).

We should always have a game plan dags.

{Ed001's Note - remind me never to attend one of those swingers parties you are always inviting me to if that is your idea of an amazing 3some!!!}

27 Feb 2015 17:02:46
Dags if we are winning trophies or even challenging realistically then wenger is right. If we are not and we are coming up short, he is wrong and deluded. You know i think his time is up and ill be honest, i don't like the present arsenal. i'm used to warriors and arsenal through and through fighters, who don't know the meaning of defeat and lob pizzas about, we don't have that at the moment. Even sancez the legend, is looking like he's fed up of doing it on his own.

27 Feb 2015 17:19:43
Haha eds is swap all 3 for Ronaldo.

{Ed001's Note - he is certainly prettier......}

27 Feb 2015 17:35:48
Basically the better you are the less you need to compromise, the problem is when you think your better than you really are .

27 Feb 2015 17:36:47
Very true Derby.

Steve, I think you have hit the nail on the head.

27 Feb 2015 22:47:53
totally agree steve, if your one of the best teams in the world let others worry about changing tactics to beat you. but you still have to be prepared to have a plan b if you're failing to break them down. but when trying to play them off the park consistently doesn't work, surely something has to click and try something different! also was it true about the players being the main reason for the change of tactics against city? and if so why have we reverted back to old ways after, did wenger say "fair enough your way worked once, you got lucky! we will carry on doing it my way...damn my zips caught!"

27 Feb 2015 12:51:04
Has anybody seen Ed001's reply?

Its the long reply below.

As painful as it was to read, its a very fair assessment.

Well said Ed.

Think you hit the nail on the head there.

{Ed001's Note - the one about you being in the top 50 or 60 posters on this site? I think I was setting the bar a bit high for you to live up to myself, but glad you agreed.....}

27 Feb 2015 14:34:34
Cmon ed, be nice to him, he's probably at number 45-50

{Ed001's Note - hmmmm I dunno I think that is being too nice! I suppose it depends on whether he is above or below the raver in your ratings?}

27 Feb 2015 15:13:07
Ed,

I originally posted that I'm in top 5 or 6 posters in the world.

Have you been tampering with my posts again? Lol

27 Feb 2015 15:15:33
He's 5 places above the Quaver for me, but only because he's not an arsenal supporter

27 Feb 2015 10:49:00
Domestic League
Win 5pts
Run up 3pts
3rd 2pts
4th 1pt
Champions league
Winners 7 pts
Run up 5pts
Sf 3pts
Qf 2pts
Last 16 1pt
I think that's a fair test, so over the last 5 years whos where in Europes top ten rankings?
I don't know the answer but I guess we'd have 11 or 12 points over that time scale

27 Feb 2015 11:27:49
Yeah 12 I think

27 Feb 2015 11:51:30
On this rating premier league only result over past 5 season's
Utd 16 pts
City 15 pts
Chavs 12 pts
Arsenal 7 pts
Liverpool 3 pts
Spurs 2 pts .
Not sure how the CL results would affect this table but I guess utd lead would increase and chavs might catch city plus might we narrow the gap with city a little but chavs and utd would increase the gap on us.
We are a very solid 4th in premier league terms no more no less but as for in European and world terms?that's for someone more patient or smarter than me, come on that's virtually all of you :-)

27 Feb 2015 10:07:52
Wilshere has had minor ankle surgery ......again.............. I am as bored with his ankle problems as I am about going out at the last 16 of the CL. I feel for him but this whole groundhog day thing is wearing me out!

27 Feb 2015 11:00:34
I agree Davros its a very repetitive theme of 4th last 16 and injury excuse after injury excuse, at least we beat a top four side this season :-) which is at least different and surely is worthy of being classed in the worlds elite 7 or 8 teams alone:-).
Its weird how some see speaking the truth and sticking to facts as being disloyal and to be a real true Arsenal fan you have to pretend that fantasy is reality, its a small world for some

27 Feb 2015 12:42:42
Yes i made a post earlier about getting shot of players and not having players inour squad who can't pull their weight because of constant injury, year after year, butvwe keep them because they are the bestcyoung talent or next big thing and basically cost this club a fortune for little return. We arecthe only club that does this, constantly. Ramsey, wilshire, rosicky, gibbs, diaby, walcot, etc we don't get our monies worth. i'm not moaning, just pointing out a worrying, handicapping problem that is an epidemic at this club.

27 Feb 2015 14:27:57
To be honest, I am not even bothered. Jack Wilshere would do nothing to this team to make it better. I was afraid somehow Wenger would squeeze Coquelin out in order to accommodate Jack Weelchair.

27 Feb 2015 09:45:29
on the ozil debate. give me a young rosicky anyday over him. shame about his injuries but for me he's one of the most under rated players iv seen. gets on with his job and has some magic. when needed he can sure hit a ball. love the guy

27 Feb 2015 08:12:18
BG its quite simple top clubs are measured by titles and consistency, not because of one season wonders, we have more titles than chelsea and mancity so we are better, here is my list not in any particular order.

1. Bayern
2. Real Madrid
3. Barca.
4. Manutd
5. Juventus.
6. Here is where we come in, all teams like Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool.

I wouldn't even count teams like PSG and BR and ATM, seriously how big are thier stadiums and how many titles have they won? We may not have won anything for 10 years but it took city as well 50 odd years to win thier title, suddenly they are a top club? They got literally outplayed by barca the other day how can u even cateogrize them better than us when thier progression is the same as ours in Europe.

{Ed001's Note - so where do Everton and Torino come in? Both Milan teams? What about Celtic? They have won lots of titles and are consistent challengers, at the very least.}

27 Feb 2015 08:30:52
Preston Blackpool Royal engineers how far back do you go?
Surely its what youve done in the last 3-5 years that decides your current ranking, top 4 in England top 16 in Europe and as for the world? Who knows probably top 20 if were lucky.
To me that's cold reality apposed to hanging on to what ever we can to paint us better than we currently are

27 Feb 2015 08:38:25
We are now the 8th richest club in World football and from here on in have the financial firepower to compete in both the Premier League and the Champions League.

The next few years will better determine how we stack up against the likes of City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca, Chelsea and the like.

That depends on our owners and our manager, who ever the latter may be, their collective want to compete and their ability to compete.

27 Feb 2015 09:27:01
red dog. do you want wenger to carry on next year

27 Feb 2015 09:47:47
Derby I know your question was to Red but regardless of whether we do or don't he's going to see out the two remaining years so we may as well accept that.
He should have gone last season but didn't and at least by bringing in Le Coq he's responding to our problems at last so there's real how he might be open to doing what's really needs in the summer

27 Feb 2015 10:04:44
Everton consistent challengers, that seems odd, milan are definetly up there, we do not need to count teams like rovers who don't play in the league itself. Milan i agree with eds but the rest really are the better than Arsenal? How on earth people can count city, chelsea and the funniest of that was Dortmund, ATM, and now PSG? Ridicolous, and say i live in fantasy land, while some live in the Moaner Land.

{Ed001's Note - never called Everton consistent challengers, that was referring to Celtic. By your standards Celtic should be in there as title holders and regular challengers. Basically you are just a deluded biased fan altering the standard to suit your delusions. Arsenal are not a top 6 or 7 clubs by anyone else's standards. You are in total and utter fantasy land if you think a 4th place team in England is anywhere near the top 6 or 7 worldwide.

This whole thread is just an embarrassment. Especially embarrassing that you put Arsenal above Chelsea and Man City! Have you actually seen any football in the last ten years, or is your head too far up Arsene's background to see the league tables?

You might want to see what PSG, Atleti etc are doing, which isn't a 4th place embarrassment year on year. I can't see Atleti celebrating the Champions League qualification trophy, they would be too disappointed at not winning La Liga to celebrate. Sad that Arsenal have fallen so far as to think 4th place is worthy of a party.}

27 Feb 2015 10:12:21
I agree as well there is no point in discussing wenger carrying on are not we are with him for another 2 years, so better we support him, than brag on for another 2 years. And the fans seriously need to wake up, its sometimes because of the fans we loose games.

27 Feb 2015 14:34:33
I agree Arsenal are nowhere near a top 6 or 7 european team and to say we are because we have won more titles than chelsea or city is deluded.
On that basis as the ed says Celtic should be top two aswell as rangers because of the trophies they have won!! Can we honestly say rangers are a top european side??
Also on that analysis Liverpool would be around top 3 in world football with all those leagues and european cups.

But hay if living in the past is what makes people happy go for it......

because i for one am interested in the here and now and we ain't anywhere near top 20 at the moment!!!

27 Feb 2015 16:49:35
Gunner if le coq starts for us next season I will cry. He's done good but for me overall I'd happily cash in if two big MIDs come in. Sorry if that's harsh on him

26 Feb 2015 23:31:06
Been at work all day and have missed all the fun :-)

27 Feb 2015 07:54:22
That's it put self interest ahead of loyalty to this site why don't you, call yourself a chameleon huh

27 Feb 2015 12:48:34
G62,

Sometimes the teacher has to let the children play on their own sometimes mate, lol.

27 Feb 2015 16:50:34
Dags I find that website abit pants

26 Feb 2015 23:27:42
Almost forgot, HAPPY BIRTHDAY MgM mate, hope despite work its been a good 50th geeza

27 Feb 2015 00:49:38
Happy birthday, i'm working too.

27 Feb 2015 07:44:22
Happy 50th MgM.

PS, wasn't it yesterday?

27 Feb 2015 17:18:22
So the mgm arena is 50 years old?