Arsenal Banter Archive February 27 2018

27 Feb 2018 22:30:12
Goalkeeper:
Bring in Alban Lafont (Toulouse) to learn from Cech and to replace Ospina in the squad - the player has huge potential and it was reported today that he has followed Arsenal from a young age - no brainer!

Defence:
Mertesacker and Chambers to go (possibly Holding or Mavropanos on loan too) . Bring in Kalidou Koulibaly (Napoli) to partner Koscielny/ Mustafi.

Midfield:
I'd be tempted to get rid of 2 from Xhaka, Ramsey, Wilshere and Elneny (preferably Xhaka and Elneny) and replace them with Max Meyer (Schalke) and Jean Michael Seri (Nice)

Forward:
Wouldn't mind seeing the back of Welbeck and/ or Iwobi if he were to bring in 1 of Nabil Fekir (Lyon) , Malcom (Bordeaux) or Leon Bailey (Bayer Leverkusen)

27 Feb 2018 23:00:18
i wish you were our chief scout lol. You seem to have identified all the weak players in our squad and replaced them with better alternatives.

28 Feb 2018 07:21:20
The players you have suggested come in are all good candidates in my opinion. but you have lost 4 CBs and replaced them with one!
I believe we need to keep Ramsey, Wilshire and element, flogging just xhaka and bringing in Seri, Meyer and another DM.
Upfront I think you're right. Iwobi out on loan, welbeck gone and bring in a proper winger, then give the youth opportunities. We have a lot of good young talent from what I've seen.

28 Feb 2018 08:17:49
That works for me - love Ozil but still struggle to see how we fully utilise him unless we play 4 4 2.

27 Feb 2018 19:10:02
I agree with Craig Burley. At last someone has come out against wenger and the board and blamed the fans for letting it go on too long. They/ we have. Its upto the fans now to show their cajones and show the board what they think, on mass.

27 Feb 2018 19:35:16
Any company can only serve up poor service with its customers consent.
If a restaurant serves up bad food years and peole keep paying to eat it because they like the chef them why would the company bother to go to all the trouble of being good.
Ultimately it's a fan driven business be it at the stadium on match day or TV revenue merchandise what ever it's always the fans who say ya of na.

27 Feb 2018 20:28:18
Bloody hell steve your stomping about tonight mate! What’s the matter? Was your tea not on the table tonight mate 😂.

27 Feb 2018 20:30:37
Agree gunner, i don't go and watch games now much so i can't do anything there but all my family who are fans have had a chat and we are all stopping buying merchandise, until there is real change. The grand children will have to put up with knock offs or fakes. Lol. i'm am fed up with the money side of it all anyway and i am looking at ways to change/ stop my sports channel subs too. i'm not paying the rediculous fees for dross. I like other sports so i am looking at other ways to reduce costs but still keep watching what i want too.

27 Feb 2018 20:51:23
Ha ha sano, I've stayed low after sunday because i was so angry but i have to let off a bit of steam.

27 Feb 2018 21:00:03
Change will come Steve whether it's this summer or next I'm pretty sure it will come.
To be fair we've waited this long if Arsene does see out his contract one more season of nothing much happening doesn't seem that bad after so many long seasons doing nothing to make our self's more competitive.

27 Feb 2018 21:17:38
Gunner i am going to make a statement and you may correct me in the future. Wenger will not see out his contract, even if he stays this summer, which i doubt.

27 Feb 2018 21:51:04
Steve, I stopped buying merchandise 7 years ago. I got rid of sky and BT sports this season.

I have no interest in the arsenal at all, until that tyrant has left our club.

I don't listen or read any of the bull that comes out of his mouth

I hope we get hammered Thursday night ( don't care what you lot think of me)

He has ruined our club and many a player

The football has been terrible for about 6 years

Any one that defends that man should be ashamed to call themselves Arsenal supporters

Get them planes in the air as soon as possible.

27 Feb 2018 20:03:43
Don't write off the Arsene in fan base Steve mate, they may not be as vocal as the out campaign but they will show their strength of support for Arsene as and when it comes to the crunch.
Two planes and very poor support for every demonstration so far mate says a lot more than any words.

27 Feb 2018 22:26:39
You definitely are not on your own malaga.

27 Feb 2018 22:44:04
Nothing like getting behind your team.

Is this the same 'tyrant' everyone is slating that has been your most successful manager?

27 Feb 2018 22:34:07
I cancelled my sports channels 2 years ago this April and decided not to organise my life around watching Arsenal games any more, no more refusing invasions out no more planning family get togethers around Arsenal games, I just couldn't justify to myself any longer watching not knowing if the players would be bothered that day or not.
I don't want us to lose games but I'm not upset any more when we do.
When we change manager I will be reinstating my sports package and looking to get tickets for games again, but until then I care about the club but not to much about the current set up or set of players.

28 Feb 2018 07:27:54
Its a bit drastic cancelling sports channels and god knows what else because of a few dodgy seasons. For a start you should watch it for a love of the sport and enjoy every game you watch! I'm done with Wenger 100% but I will always support the club no matter how bad it gets! Of course I will vent my frustrations like we all do but when it comes good for us in the future, don't then start calling yourselves gunners again! Loving Arsenal when we win and cancelling your subscriptions when we lose is just petty won't change a thing! Now let's get behind the boys and see how the season plays out! #WengerOut.

28 Feb 2018 08:32:24
sensible true supporter 1308. good post fella.

28 Feb 2018 15:16:41
Glen none of it is petty. Every human being on this planet on a daily basis makes opinions and financial decisions because of how they feel. Some people have made a far more important decision on oxfam than any football club, not because it was petty but because they don't like the way it is run. If you buy a make of car and it keeps failing, you swap it for a different make but if they bring out a newer better model, you might go and give that a try. If it works you stick with it. Its life, whatever anyone tries to tell you different.

28 Feb 2018 15:45:24
So does that mean you're going to support Man City because their new look car is more appealing than ours? As far as financial decisions go i wouldn't be cancelling my subscriptions even if Arsenal got relegated! I love watching football whether its Arsenal, United or Oldham Athletic! We are in a bad patch yes but if you really are an Arsenal fan then you would support them regardless of results. I don't think the club is being managed or ran well at all and i would love it to change, but hey ill just keep supporting the team i love and see what happens!

28 Feb 2018 18:09:49
Glen my decision or decisions are not all related to arsenal. Its related to greed and value for money. In any venture there will always be one person to turn the lights out bit the many before him/ her will have left. And by the way i have supported this club in worse times but in the end somebody became accountable like most people in life, before it was ruined completely. Years and years of decline is far too long. It doesn't happen at 99.9999999% of clubs. Its about the arrogance and lack of respect to the people who put this club where it is.

01 Mar 2018 08:19:59
Agree on the greed and money side of the game but that is something that we are all going to have to get used to! Money in the game is ruining the sport but it is what it is. From an Arsenal perspective, let's just get our heads up boys and wait for the change to happen! We have new senior management that we have brought in to help with the transition of a new manager so its a waiting game unfortunately. Other than the invincible season i haven't really seen anything of success from Arsenal as I was only a boy at the time but I am 100% sure we will be back up there again soon. COYG!

27 Feb 2018 17:44:21
Being reading today's papers and apparently Arsenal are looking to replace wenger. The rumored short list has ancelotti, Lowe, Rodgers, Jardim and Arteta.

I can understand Arteta, Jardim and Ancelotti but Brendan Rodgers? How far have we fallen off that we would consider Rodgers for a managerial position? Is it because other top mangers don't want to join us? Why isn't our so called short list containing Allegri, Tuchel or Sarri or even Simeone? I am not a big fan of either Allegri or Simeone but one thing i am sure of is that they will be an upgrade on Wenger. They won't tolerate mediocrity. People like granit xhaka and mustafi will get benched or sold.

Of the so called list Jardim is the only one i would pick though his Monaco team this season has shipped so many goals but he is an interesting coach as he was once accused of playing negative football but two years later produced an attacking team that took Europe by storm. So that tells you he is a coach who adapts to the players at his disposal. Ancelotti is past it, Rodgers is shit, Arteta is inexperienced but i wouldn't mind him as he is an ex player and i believe he would make a good coach and Lowe hasn't coached a club for ages. Just because a manger wins the world cup does not mean he would be successful at club level. Anybody remembers Scholari?

My pick would be Tuchel, Allegri or Sarri. Any other coach doesn't excite me. If we have to go for an ex player, i would choose Viera or Arteta. Henry has been mentioned too but he doesn't strike me as someone who would make a good coach. He is poor as a pundit, his analytical skills are weak (something you need as a coach) and his thoughts are inchorent as is his speech at times but Arteta and Viera seem analytical and give the sense that they have a deep understanding of the game.

27 Feb 2018 18:44:26
Personally I wouldn't chose Rogers but what West ham fan would have chose Moyse? Stoke Fan Lambert? Everton fan Sam?
Moyse has been a high profile struggler since leaving Everton and became unemployable in most fans minds but for some reason West ham gave him a chance and he's done well.

Personally I'd like Sean Dyche but the most important thing is change happening because at least then we are trying to move forward whether it works fist second or third time round it's a step towards getting back to competitiveness.

27 Feb 2018 19:00:21
Rodgers weak point in my opinion is defensive organisation, so surely you should be steering well clear of him for your next appointment!

27 Feb 2018 20:56:18
Im not sticking up for rogers because i wanted him or want him at all but rogers sticking point was liverpool football club. From what i understand he gave them names of players, whom now are superstars and he was refused and he was let down by the club, who now have a different approach. Maybe they also learned a lot from it.

27 Feb 2018 22:08:24
I found Brendan quite Bizarre during his time at Liverpool much of it but not all stems from the fly on the wall this is Liverpool series.
On his first game in charge I think it was WBA who stuffed them on opening day and after the game Brendan was trying to convince his players they had been the better team on the day despite being totally out played, all players seemed puzzled by him and I'm sure the TV viewers felt the same.
He's done well at Celtic but with the greatest respect they were in a one team league of their own long before he took over.

27 Feb 2018 22:34:43
Gunner62,i don't think i have ever seen a good english manager since sir alex to be honest. You won't see many good english managers and the major reason i believe is because they don't explore like other european managers/ players. when they are players, they rarely play outside europe so they are not exposed to much. take spanish players. take the example of someone like xabi alonso. He played in spain, germany and england. Don't you think that would make him a good manager? He trained under guardiola, mourinho and ancelotti, the best coaches of this generation don't you think he would be a better coach from it?

And when it comes to managing, other european managers are willing to work for it. They learn different languages and coach in different leagues and in foreign countries. How many italian managers coach outside serie A? many. How many english managers have coached a big european team outside england? i think there is none since sir Bobby robson. The likes of Gary neville and carragher would yap on sky sports but won't make the effort to learn spanish, italian and be ready to work in those leagues. Until that culture changes, i don't think big teams will pick english managers.

And don't get me started on sean dyche. Most english managers flop at big clubs. Moyes flopped at united, rodgers at liverpool i am not sure they are a match for the other european managers. They can do well when the pressure is not on them but when it is they get found out. i am willing to give sean dyche a chance if he is willing to go to leagues like bundelsiga and serie a. let him prove himself first of all.

28 Feb 2018 01:17:56
Alex Ferguson never learnt Italian spanish or german and never coached outside of the UK. He perhaps would have been a good manager if he did.

28 Feb 2018 16:38:24
Lol steve fergie is just an exception to the general rule. I am just trying to pin-point why most european teams would not pick english managers and i elaborated the reasons. Biggest reason is that they are not willing to prove themselves. The italian, spanish, portuguese and german coaches are willing to start their work even in non fancy leagues. Take marcos silva and jardim for instances, they worked in greece and stuff like that and proved themselves. THe english managers are also never willing to learn new languages. They want everything to be handed to them on a silver plate which won't happen in this new soccer age.

If you are a young coach also, i have realized it is easier for a club to take a chance on you if you play attractive football. That is why i think eddie howe is more likely to get a job outside england than sean dyche. There is nothing special about what sean dyche does. His football is depressing to watch . Those tactics are outdated and won't work in continental europe.

27 Feb 2018 15:35:39
Wilshire, keep your gob shut, you were one of the few who tried on sunday. The last thing we want to hear from anyone is lame excuses, that are as embarrassing as the performance. This is becoming an arsenal trait that is a whitewash on reality. You were one of many who slagged sanchez off for moaning at non tryers and said the dressing room was more together. Well blaming every white elephant and still producing gutless performances. Its about time everyone at this club started looking in the mirror and finding the truth within. Stupid excuses are sickening.

27 Feb 2018 16:33:35
First rule of Arsene club, always blame something or someone else
Second rule of Arsene club always blame someone or something else.
Third rule of Arsene club. Never ever ever man up and take responsibility.

It's the Arsene school of deflecton and is proven to work season after season after Season.

27 Feb 2018 17:57:33
I thoroughly disagree that he was one who 'tried' on Sunday Steve, unless by try you mean try and hold onto the ball for too long every single time and try to be petulant to the referee when your already 3 nil down. We will never win major competitions with a joker like him in central midfield, and i hope and pray any contract offer is quickly withdrawn so he can bugger off somewhere else.

27 Feb 2018 18:59:56
Epping, i was compairing him to the likes of bellerin, xhaka, ramsay, mustaffi, ozil and kos. He at least gave it a go, the others didnt. I think he was trying to do things on his own becausexof the innept players around him. But my point is the bleating afterwards about drivel and excuses. Its embarrassing.

27 Feb 2018 11:30:41
Am a Liverpool fan but oh my God I was also watching Ray Wilkins on Skysports, shame why does they allow such people on their channel, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about, none at all, its quite embarrassing!

27 Feb 2018 15:52:37
And your mate jami cara? I think wilkins is spot on.

27 Feb 2018 15:55:20
Except for his little faux pas. Bless him, he's getting on.

27 Feb 2018 08:52:28
I would never have thought back in 1998 that I'd be here now waking up in the mornings hoping to read that Wenger had been sacked, such a sorry state of affairs, I said 5 or 6 years ago he should leave before he ruins his legacy.
On another note he's even managed to get Wilshire talking nonsense after a defeat.

27 Feb 2018 15:49:51
Some of us have been doing it a few years now. It is like a recurring nightmare, it won't go away.

26 Feb 2018 23:14:07
Also I believe when wenger started he stated that, all training should be done with a ball (sprints, agility drills etc) . That's great but what happens when the other team has possession, well we've seen what happens, the players don't have a clue.
Lots of work to be done on the training ground in that respect. Especially as we don't have the same caliber of player anymore, midfielders give away possession cheaply, our centre backs aren't great with the ball yet wenger seems determined to play out from the back the whole time. I am sure with the players we have there is a system that will work, however it will mean some players don't play every week.

27 Feb 2018 08:33:49
Why did Mesut stay but Sanchez so desperately Want out? (Just for a minute look past the money) what other reasons?
Why did Ox take less money from Liverpool rather than accept our much more lucrative new contract?
Why has Kos stayed so long despite good offers from competive clubs?
Why do players like Olly not want to leave despite not playing regularly for us?
Lots of players have been happy to be in and out of our team or be bit part players why?
Why do any of our players accept our non competiveness but just settle for seeing out thier career at Arsenal under Arsene?
Why do very few get upset and storm off after an embarrassing performance and result?
Why do nearly all our players simply have no shame by going to applaud the fans after losing 7 0 5 0 or whatever but just go through the motions of towing the club line of never mind showing on the pitch how much you appreciate the traveling support but make sure that you make it look like you care afterwards?
The answer seems to be to me that at at Arsenal under Arsene the day to day lifestyle is very very comfortable and easy going which makes it difficult to give up and have to knuckle down and push your self on a daily basis elsewhere.

On a personal level I can see their point too, who would give up a job you enjoy and where life is easy where you take home £1000 a week for a job that is demanding where you are held accountable for not turning up or putting in a proper shift fur £1200 a week?
Our players have and have had it easy at Arsenal for a very very long time and as much as we fans find it difficult to accept to the players it's thier job it's what they do for a living and who doesn't want that to a be a cushy little number if they can get it?