Arsenal Banter Archive January 27 2019

 

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27 Jan 2019 19:47:52
How concerned is everyone about our super long injury list, the window is fast closing, I know we shouldn’t make knee jerk signings but we are desperately short.

I said a few weeks ago, so to be boring, we won’t finish any higher than 4th with the USA running the club, it’s quite obvious and clear for all to see, we won’t overspend . I’m of the opinion we need a couple of Summer transfer windows that the spends dwarfs the income in order for us to challenge, thereafter things will settle down, until then be happy with domestic cup challenges. or not .

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27 Jan 2019 22:52:49
I do think with holding, kos and socatis all out in the immediate future, we are up the creek without a paddle. What do we do? probably bite the bullet and hope for a miracle. They would probably be most people's first three choices for center back and what's left isn't going to stop much. I think the truth is, we can get 6th still but as far as qualifying for CL, get kos and soc back for march and hope for a concerted effort in the EL. that's probably being realistic.

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28 Jan 2019 06:47:34
I am not certain the CB crisis is quite as bad as we think. We have Mustafi and Mavrapanos (hopefully) fit for tomorrow's match. Whilst, assuming Koscielny's jaw isn't broken he may be back for the Man City match, if not shortly afterwards. Sokratis should then be back at the beginning of March. Perhaps a short term loan, until the end of the season, for Gary Cahill would be sensible.
The area of major concern is still the 3 in Emery's favoured 4-2-3-1. Quite frankly none of the players impress and ultimately need to be moved on and replaced. We are being linked with Rebic, who would be a decent signing and Perisic would be a good short term solution, although a younger player would be preferable. Until the end of the season a three of Rebic, Ramsey and Perisic would be a huge improvement on any current combinations. We have left it so late in the current window, that one loan signing or two at best seems the likely outcome, although I wouldn't be at all surprised if none are made, particularly as we are looking to take quality players on loan. It's a bit depressing as after the summer signings and Emery having seen the players perform at close quarters for half a season, I was expecting a couple of permananet signings in the current window, followed by a further 3 or 4 in the summer window. Thus almost a total overhaul of the weak sqaud he inherited.

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29 Jan 2019 02:10:28
Front 2 picks itself, Laca and Auba must play every game together. Backed up by Ramsey or Ozil where appropriate, bring Mkhi back in when he's fit. That part at least is a no brainer.

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27 Jan 2019 17:58:29
Stoner mate

Its all about opinions, I think United and Arsenal are not as far away as you think. City and Liverpool are settingthe standard that we need to reach and whilst we both need strengthening I don't think it's as bad as you do.

Culture, atmosphere, approach, mindset all play a part. We've changed Manager and the change has been staggering. You had a great start and have stalled but Emery seems to have cojones and is addressing some issues.

We've made 3 manager mistakes since SAF and I know all other fans are hoping we appoint Ole as they think he will fail but right now, one team has momentum, us.

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27 Jan 2019 18:18:09
I wouldn't make the Ole decision until you absolutely have to AJH, June 2020 might be wise.
Right now the players are giving their reaction to Jose leaving as much as Ole arriving, I'd want to see what Ole can do after the " look at us now Jose " factor has worn off from these players.

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27 Jan 2019 18:43:38
I hope ole is given the job, i understand why he has been given the caretakers job. that's all he is and because of that what is going on at the moment has little to do with ole but the players. It obvious the players are in control, you ain't learning a thing about ole as a full time appointment. It could have been ole, beckham, scholes or neville and the reaction would have been similar. I do think reality will set in this season at some point. But truthfully whatever anyone thinks, he can't do any worse than moyse, lvg or maureen. I would be happy to see ole as the full time manager.

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27 Jan 2019 18:56:05
AJH, you won't find anything out about ole until it starts going pete tong, when he is full time and the pressure is on. He is just freewheeling at the moment. He may end up being the next SAF but what's happening at this moment has more to do with maureen going than ole coming in. He isn't managing utd yet or this season, he is just picking the team. As far as how far you or us are behind citeh, they have the best manager in the world, you and us dont. that's a big hurdle that neither can jump while he is there.

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27 Jan 2019 19:00:59
Plus in an earlier post, you said you wouldn't swap a list of players. Well i'm quite sure citeh aren't cueing up to swap any of yours or Liverpool come to that, Ddg maybe, that's all. They have reliable professionals doing a far better job than your lot or ours.

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27 Jan 2019 20:00:29
Steve, I’m looking forward to some trauma, I want to see how Ole copes. I don’t think anyone else could have won 8 in a row, it’s a bit simplIstic to say that, what I have seen so far is a maturity and intelligence that Giggs et al haven’t got.

Most United fans right now are rubbing their eyesin disbelief, we have 2 winnable league games before some big games, Liverpool in the league and PSG in the Champions League. I never saw our players into team of the week this year and suddenly we have 2 or 3 appearing. If we continue this progress than I see us as third behind the Scousers and Citeh. Some strong signings and a continuation of the right culture and mindset then who knows. We shall see.

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27 Jan 2019 20:28:17
AJH, i think we both have lots of improvement left and i'm sure we both will but at the moment citeh and to a lesser extent are way ahead as far as a complete league campaign and process is concerned.

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27 Jan 2019 20:26:00
AJH mate,

Whilst Mourinho was there I don’t think anyone of you rated the vast majority of your players and honestly I watch all the football games I can, doesn’t make me an expert I know.

But even on this unbeaten run you still honestly don’t look all that, surely you must see that? Much as we didn’t really look all that.

I just cannot get my head around the hype for Pogba either, he does so little more often than not and I really don’t think he has what it takes to lead you to trophies, but like you say, it’s opinions.

No more than I’m getting sucked into Emery being the right man. We are literally a carbon copy of Wengers Arsenal. I realise he is making steps to change that but how on earth can you not even get defending right, our defenders aren’t that bad.

We’ve had our annual beating from a big club, we crumple against you after battering Chelsea, we’ve had our annual 4 good games a season and our new shiney backroom staff don’t seem to be helping our cause. It’s same old same old.

I’ve no idea what OGS will be like but I would think Pochettino would be your man then I would have genuine concern if they give him the money to spend too.

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27 Jan 2019 20:43:33
Lesser extent liverpool, i meant.

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27 Jan 2019 16:07:17
Haha. As I said yesterday, Inter not interested in anything if it isn't permanent. Who shall we go for now then? 😂 getting beyond a joke.

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27 Jan 2019 16:42:19
I can't see the fuss about singing short term players anyway, either we want a player to be part of our next 18 months or we don't, its not all about this season so if we don't want them for more than a few months and thier club doesn't want to simply loan them, move along nothing to see here.
We most certainly shouldn't be signing a winger when our funds are so short because we have Nelson returning and we should give him a chance to save us a few bob and spend where we need it most.
Miki and Danny have no resale value so if possible we might as well keep them for next season along with Nelson and worry about getting some kind of defence sorted.
Surely with such limited funds we've got to prioritise where we are weakest even if the likes of Miki aren't brilliant we still have a lot less problems offensively than we do defensively.
We will not be challenging for the title next season no matter what we do but top 4 might be possible if we spend what we have where we need it most.

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27 Jan 2019 17:45:23
Yep we won't get much done faffing about like this, you can't blame them, for wanting it to be permanent or an obligation to buy, it's not like a young player where we would be doing them a favour and giving him game time and when we sent him back his value might of increased, his value will of decreased if we decide its not for us.

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27 Jan 2019 18:10:08
Exactly Eden mate. It's not like there suddenly going to give in and agree to our very one sided approach.
I can only assume we either have other less publicised deals going on elsewhere or we are simply not that fussed about doing any business this widow but want to been seen to have tried to do so.

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27 Jan 2019 17:56:34
I’m just grateful we sorted out this top team behind the scenes to get transfers sorted out without much fuss. 🙄.

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27 Jan 2019 18:40:41
I agree about not signing short term players but I not the winger situation. Seeing as Nelson is the only registered winger on our books we definitely need another! Can’t expect him to be the one to change things out wide on his own and some experience in that position would only give him something to gain confidence from as well! A winger yes, an aging winger who we are going to look to pay €40m for. No. Suarez or Nkunku can help us out wide as well as in the middle.

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{Ed0333's Note - sometimes you need to spend exuberant amounts of money on good players regardless of age. There’s only a small pool of players out there in January and Perisic gets you Champions League it would be worth it.

27 Jan 2019 18:44:20
Despite all the noise not much seems different to be fair Stoner mate, the new backroom boys did well last January and in the summer but it's all looking more familiar again now mate.
I don't think all is rosy in the back room garden at present.

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27 Jan 2019 19:16:11
But when you’re running a business like ours you can’t afford to spend exuberant amount of money on players, only for them to need replacing in 18 months time. They may not be world cup winners etc but there are plenty of younger players out there who would relish the opportunity. Great, sign perisic he’s a fantastic player and will do us the world of good but with our finances, we need to stop plugging gaps and look to progress over time, not immediately. In my opinion I would rather see Arsenal commit to buying Suarez and Nkunku for the combind value of Perisic and then sign another player at CB for a larger fee.

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27 Jan 2019 20:47:36
If we were one player away I'd say push the boat out with 40 million on player age 29 with no resale value but we are 7 to 9 players away with limited funds so it would be crazy to throw all we have on one player with a very short time left at the top.

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28 Jan 2019 07:07:36
We can give Ozil 15mil a year for doing stuff all but can't sign anyone unless on a free. something seriously wrong at our club.

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28 Jan 2019 07:49:38
Very very poor financial management Sparky and it will take time to recover from.

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27 Jan 2019 15:14:16
So kos hasn't broken jaw and soc out while end of Feb. Good and bad news really.

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27 Jan 2019 14:11:10
Gary cahill? 😂😂😂😂😂😂.

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27 Jan 2019 16:49:49
Doubt chelski will be keen on helping us out but could have been a good call to help out until the summer. don't see it happening somehow.

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27 Jan 2019 17:28:12
Trouble is no one seems interested in what we want only what's good for them, Juve Barcelona and individual players don't share our view on it all being about us, strange people:-)
Surely it's a case of

Dear opposing club would you be interested in loaning us player X with an option not an obligation to buy in the summer
Love Arsenal

Dear Arsenal
No!
Love aposing club.

Dear aposing club
OK
Take care
Arsenal

Ask the question accept the answers move on. Is it really any more complicated than that in reality?

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27 Jan 2019 17:49:49
I don't think it is quite as simplistic as that, gunner, nice if it was.

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27 Jan 2019 18:28:33
But surely Steve if someone wants to sell a car and you offer to borrow it for 5 months then decide but they say no they want the car gone done and dusted, it is as simple as buy it or walk away, no?
What's to talk about?

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27 Jan 2019 18:47:48
That would be great gunner, if we were buying a car. Dealing with finances, ffp, footballers, agents, directors of football, managers and coming to agreements make it nothing like buying a car. Lol.

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27 Jan 2019 19:21:45
If the owner wants to sell and you only want to borrow then I'd have thought it was exactly like buying a car house or old suitcase at a boot sale the seller is only looking for a " sold as seen no return policy " regardless of who gets involved lawyers traffic wardens or mother in laws the possession is 9/ 10 of the law and it's up to to the buyer to agree or move on.

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27 Jan 2019 19:29:37
The only thing that is like buying a second hand car, is, you don't know if you have bought a dud or a good un until you have had it a while.

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27 Jan 2019 21:20:09
That's how it works for everyone Steve, the seller calls the tune ultimately, I'm not saying give them what they want but I am saying accept move on forget it and look elsewhere if your not prepared to do a deal on their terms because ultimately they hold all the cards.

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27 Jan 2019 21:44:33
Gunner, wth all these links coming out, it looks like that's exactly what we are doing, we are moving on and leaving our card.

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27 Jan 2019 23:10:12
Then in that case let's watch our cards unfold in the next 4 days mate when all the media talk will mean nothing and facts will be facts.
We will either have new players or excuses/ reasons why we don't have new players.

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27 Jan 2019 07:52:31
Emery inherited a squad that had finished in 6th place and were knocked out of the FA Cup in the 3rd round by a poor Notts Forest side. The side had no true DM's and no wingers. Emery has brought in the excellent Torreira and is now reported to be trying to sign a winger, Malcolm and Perisic are the latest reports.
This season is turning out to be one where in all likelyhood we will finish 6th again, whilst the team is being transformed and has suffered 3 season ending injuries to date. In the summer I expect at least 5 more departures and players will be brought in. The fans have to show patience as Emery addresses a decade of decline that was evident. In addition the backroom has had an almost complete transition.

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27 Jan 2019 10:52:19
Arsenal as a club either won’t or can’t spend a fortune to challenge city and Liverpool for the title. This has been a policy going back to at least 2005. People scoffed at top four trophy but now us utd Chelsea and Spuds fighting for it. Since 2005 think of the important players we have sold Henry Fab van Persie clichy Sagna Nasri etc etc. All to fund The Emirates! If you tot up what our team is WORTH in the transfer market I am struggling to get above £200 mill. You take Pool Salah must be worth 150 mill on his own same with hazard, Kane, Alli, de bruyne, Pogba . My point is we have bought extremely poorly aiming for top four at best . We are shopping at bargain basement trouble is so are most clubs so tougher to get good cheap buys. Like it or not no one in our squad is worth massive money and we aren’t investing. We have to be patient and trust we make good young buys who become good players and we can sell on but hopefully keep. Forget the forward lines Pool and City have spent more on their defences than our whole team is worth! No surprise we are where we are! I happen to believe Emery is the man to take us forward but we need patience COYG.

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27 Jan 2019 12:33:44
Totally agree with the two of you that Emery is the man to take us forward. I think he has been great. My only qualm about the guy and his coaching team is that they have been in the job 6-8 months and we still can't defend as a unit. I know we have injuries but we still can't step up together for offside, mark attackers for set pieces or know when to slide in. The decision making is really poor. The full backs don't have a clue what the center halves are doing and then throw xhaka in the mix it really is a shambles.

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27 Jan 2019 15:46:33
Totally agree boys patience is needed but equally so is progress defensively, there is Just no getting away from the fact we are as bad as ever in that department.
The longer Dick doesn't get any improvement in our organisation discipline at the back in in midfield defence wise the less patient people will become.
We've had more than a decade with a very poor defence and haven't challenged because of it.
Until we are defensively adequate everything else will go to waste.
Build from the back if we want a different outcomes, offensively we may not be the best but we are adequate in that department to make a real fight of top 3 to 4 but at the back we are bottom half calibre.
It's not all about new players because the ones we have are betrer than they look when playing for Arsenal, organisation discipline coaching to work as a unit, it's the only way.

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27 Jan 2019 16:55:48
Paddy - so true and I can’t figure out why they’ve not improved. Surely a more vocal and defensive coach plus Bould allowed to coach the defence now ( by all accounts he wasn’t allowed under Wenger or was just ineffective. ) should show improvement. Torriera isn’t the defensive solution but adds energy and bite. We must sign The young Watford CDM along with a good young CD who defends properly.

Not convinced by Leno yet.

Need some creativity also. Annoying thing is, we will do this and have the team Ozil should be a part of but will off load him because he doesn’t work hard enough for Emery. Crying shame and concerned we end up playing boring football with a packed midfield as that seems to be his answer.

3 at the back - 4 in midfield with two proper central midfielders, Ozil in the hole with Laca and PEA up front.

The 3 at the back can never leave less than 3 at the back so coordinate with the 4 midfielders to ensure always cover. Simple.

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27 Jan 2019 17:39:16
I'd make any win bonuses defensive orientated, with with a clean sheet 100% of bonus payable, win and concede 1 goal 50% payable win concede 2 25% payable and win and concede 3 then it's day off cancelled and a 8 hour lecture from Steve Bould on indigenous Moths of the UK in place of a day of chilling out.
Sounds fair to me.

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Review Of The Day 27th January 2019

27 Jan 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 27th January 2019

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27 Jan 2019 12:20:25
I heard the I’d rather be chant and i have to say it absolutely disgusted me! I think that Liverpudlians are lovely people and that was just a slur too far to say that. I hope they kick that nonsense out of the game because I’d hate to have that said about me. Millwall fans are a bloody nightmare.

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