Arsenal Banter Archive May 27 2014

27 May 2014 23:43:33
Tonights result.

Norway 0
France 4

Giroud 2 and one for Remy.

I rest my case people.

Ok Dags in the name of compromise we keep Olly, can't say fairer than that mate

Giroud and Remy looked good last night, but this was a typical pre world cup friendly game, plenty of time on the ball and no heavy tackling, and also Norway were poor.

So the guy we want as our second striker outscored the guy we want as our primary striker.

Dags I think even you would have scored against Norway last night! Pleased for Olly G. His half volley into the top corner was pure quality.

27 May 2014 21:39:44
Remy is not good enough to be our primary striker.

He's not strong or clever enough to hold the ball up when required and our midfield will not be scoring as often.

If we want to continue to allow midfielders runners then we need a strong centre forward, but one who can create chances himself- this is we're Giroud falls short.

I don't have suggestions, certainly none who can hit the ground running (apart from the usual shouts of lukaku and benteke).

SAY NO TO REMY

{Ed025's Note - im signing that petition paul..

Sorry Dags you'll thank me one day mate, its a big fat signature from me

{Ed025's Note - lets get this ball rolling!.. :)

Well to be honest, he's for sure an improvement on Sanogo and Bendtner don't you think. Also he was good tonight against Norway, grabbed himself a fine goal.

{Ed025's Note - to be fair Bgd, the tin man from the wizard of oz would be better than them 2.. :)

You guys are WRONG - we have a hold up guy and super clever (not mention pretty sharp in his briefs) guy in Giroud. that's why we want Remy, he doesn't need to think to much, just provide speed, goals and irrational confidence - for a reasonable price. He's our man!

Believe gooners, we can afford to eat finest steak we should not settle for spam, I urge every man and Jenny to sign the petition.
Keep the Emirates a Remy free zone

Red what's with the reasonable price thing? We are far from skint. Think Aberdeen Angus not WARNING may contain meat budget burgers

Welcome back Ed025.

I'm not going to do anymore talking about Remy.

When we sign him and he bang's in the goals for fun, you boys (and girl) will be posting your personal apologies to your main man Dags.

Ed025, I expect yours to be the first apology (and no crayons please) lol.

{Ed025's Note - cheers dags...and thank the lord your not going to talk about remy mate.. :)

Ed, I only meant for the rest of this evening, lol.

Me and Loic will be back tomorrow, bright and early.

{Ed025's Note - i guessed that dags.. :(

I would take REMY
you don't play for france if your not good

Not going to debate on who the new striker should be but it needs to bring a more dynamic system to the team. Original post says we need a hold up striker to allow midfield to run on. Isn't that exactly what we have with Giroud and how many goals less than the top teams did we score? Too many less.
History shows we have been most successfull with a more direct pacey striker.

Being a 3rd choice striker is like saying there is a 4th place trophy. oh wait there is a 4th place trophy.

27 May 2014 19:51:53
What backup goalkeepers are Arsenal interested in? Thanks

Yes we have someone good at holding the ball up. but that's about it! Besides the occasional run across the front post for a tap in.

Henry was strong and could hold the ball up, he was clever, dynamic and strong.

Remy would only work if he played along side Giroud.

4-4-2 anyone with two average strikers? Not for me.

SAY NO TO REMY

27 May 2014 19:40:44
If a bid deemed acceptable was lodged by Arsenal for Fabregas do you think he would be sold, or will Barcelona look to keep him?

{Ed002's Note - If a bid is acceptable they would be willing to sell, but maybe he would not want to move?}

27 May 2014 18:47:17
The way I see it we have lots of players linked to us for the various positions we need covering. It seems we have plan a, plan b and then the Gareth Barry plan c (that's being generous!)

Striker:

Plan A: Karim Benzema
Plan B: Romelu Lukaku
Plan C: Loic Remy (just to wind up DG!)

Attacking Winger:

Plan A: Angel Di Maria
Plan B: Antoine Griezmann
Plan C: Theo Walcott coming back from injury is "like a new signing!"

Defensive midfield:

Plan A: Lars Bender
Plan B: Morgan Schneiderlin
Plan C: Gareth Barry

If we were to sign A A A or B B B I would be more than happy! Is reality more likely to be C C C?

AAA I'm excited
BBB I'm happy
CCC I'm in a room with rubber wallpaper giggling at fly's

Tut tut Greeny, lol.

C B B for me because that's the most realistic combo.

Would like c b b. Think Remy is a star waiting to happen, same goes for schneiderlian.

AAA, are we not arsenal!?

27 May 2014 13:54:49
What about this for a Sagna replacement:

Debuchy.

Thoughts people?

Why don't we just sign andre santos, because if we want crap players atleast get the proper crap ones eh.

My previous post might have come off too harsh. I hate NUFC too much to like even their best players.

Debuchy wouldn't be bad. I'd love to see Jenks step up and become a right sided Gibbs! Brits on the wings!

Debuchy is top draw, very good defender, yes please.

I'm happy with Jenks and a back up

27 May 2014 13:42:45
So may get my head bitten off but I think we will only be seeing one world class signing this summer along with some squad fillers. Tbh I wouldn't grumble with most of the names mentioned:

Fabianski replacement:Marshall/Ruddy 10mil
Sagna replacement:Richards/Aurier 8mil
Verm replacement:Williams and Miquel 3mil
CDM:Shneiderlin 15mil
LW:Greizman 20mil
ST:Remy 8mil

I would personally be chuffed with that situation at the close of the window.

Who is the world class player out of your list though?

Baz,

If we get Aurier, Schneiderlin, Griezman and Remy, I would bite my own head off.

With excitement, yes please to them 4.

I may just join you dags haha! There isn't one JPS that's what I meant I will be happy with those guys as they are all potentially world class. I was more talking about the Benzemas, Cesc, Draxler, Khedira ect rumors that have been going round I think if and that's a big IF we do sign a world class player then it will be at the expense of filling some much needed squad spots!

27 May 2014 11:34:24
Sorry guys I know Cesc has been done a bit to death lately but it was interesting to read ed001's thoughts on him when he was muted as a possible Liverpool target, apologies for the cut and paste ed001 but it was interesting to read your opinion.

Ed001, do you not rate Fabregas? May I ask why?

NotIntheKnow

{Ed001's Note - because he has no positional sense or idea of responsibility defensively. So that limits his options in our system to playing the point behind the strikers, as he lacks pace to make up for errors in positioning. He hasn't the skill to glide past players such as Coutinho, Suso and Teixeira. His passing is no better than the latter of those two, it is limited in range and his vision is lacking. There is every reason for the Barca crowd turning on him, they simply see a player who is nowhere near good enough filling a spot in the team. He looked great at Arsenal, where the whole thing was built around him, where he had no responsibility and could just do what he wanted, with lots of forward movement around him and always within a few yards to allow him to pick a pass easily. If that is all we wanted from a player, we could stick any of the younger attacking mids, from Alberto to Suso to Teixeira to Dunn etc there and they could do that. Why waste a lot of money on a player that simply is not that good and is highly over rated? At least the kids will show a willingness to listen to the coaches and show some responsibility.}

I just wonder if we are being a bit sentimental when it comes to Cesc or is he still the real deal.

I recall Arsene last summer saying that Cesc wouldn't be leaving Barca in that window but had a rye smile on his face as if he knew more.

Just wondered what you all thought, I know I voted yes get him back.

I want him back, you don't win 2 euros and a World Cup by chance, you don't make up part of the best midfield of all time by luck. Cesc fabregas is one of the greatest midfielders of all time, in terms of his passing and composure on the ball in my opinion. If we have the chance to sign him, we should

Good point 001. Cesc never won anything at arsenal and after his debut season after the invicible years
His best finish was 3rd, finishing fourth 3 times. So not exactly the mesiah we are looking for. He isn't blessed with pace, he isn't a good tackler and you are right, barca fans are fed up with him. Why should we have him back.

Ed, great summary of Fabregas. In addition he engineered a move away from us with 3 years on his deal, whilst captain. I fail to understand fellow Gooners love for him and I do not want him back, particularly as we need reinforcement in other positions.

His stats when he played out of position for the majority of the season shows that he is not a useless player, or overrated.

for 50 mill it maybe a bit too much but his qualities are undeniable.

you don't get a lot of no10's who can defend, create, and score.

you get many who can create and score but not many who can defend.

he plays in a system which benefits messi. simple as. he has not really been given the xavi key, but he has done quite well in his spell there, just that there are players who are superior to him in ability with Messi, Neymar and Iniesta to name a few.

i still think he has done much better than some players like Pedro who have regressed over time.

while barcelona will try Rafinha Alcantara and Deulefeu over in the wing positions, it means that they don't really need a winger but they do need a Holding Midfielder who can defend and a RB and CB who can do that consistently aswell.

Man utd wanted cesc when they did not have mata, why would they want him now? to do exactly what Mata can do? mata can't defend either, neither can ozil, neither can david silva, and don't tell me xavi and iniesta are some stellar defenders. anyone remember paul scholes and his defending? those players are not in the team for the defending attribute.

the only decent no10's who can defend would be rooney, Oscar and Kroos

while I would like to get him back, I would want barca to keep him, if they manage to sell sanchez, pedro, mascherano and alves for a significant amount, it will enable them to get a defender, and keep the train moving for another year, which maybe the time we go in for cesc, as I see Ramsey having another stellar year, and we only know what madrid think of stellar seasons.

Comparing Cesc to Coutinho is like comparing Bergkamp to Heskey. Fabregas is a far better player, if you don't think he can go past players then I guess you didn't see many of the goals he scored, including that one against Spurs straight from their kick off.
I suggest people should watch him play, even coming off the bench he has been outstanding for Barca, his downfall being that he isn't Iniesta or Xavi.

I voted against him coming back. I posted on here recently interesting comments from a Jens Lehman interview where he mentioned how Cesc slowed our play down.also, we all pretty much agree on here that we want to see us strengthen with a world class striker, CDM and possibly a left winger. Cesc is none of those. and I therefore don't see the point of us blowing perhaps 50% of our available transfer budget on him and having to compromise elsewhere. Therefore perhaps that is the key question for all on here that voted yes. If we did re sign Cesc, what of the 'key' positions that we all mostly agree that need strengthening are you willing to sacrifice to get Cesc instead.i.e. downgrade the CDM wishlist from Bender to Barry??

There are very few players who you couldn't pick some fault in their game some where, if any.
I think if Cesc comes home both he and Mesut will answer their critice big style next season, personally I'm just a lot excited at the prospect of having Ozil Fabregas Ramsey in our MF next season, if somehow we can add mighty mad as a hatter Mario too there will most certainly be a new name on the 4th place trophy next season and we will have to console our self's with a top two finish at the very least

I can hardly believe I read that synopsis of Cesc. I've not seen him much at Barca granted, but he is world class, anyone who denies is quite plainly wrong. Check the stats out - the stats do not lie. We may not need him currently, but it's Cesc for goodness sake, not RVP. The guy is an arsenal player, i'll hear no more of this crap lol

{Ed025's Note - im with you bilbo..

I'd still have Koke or Kroos before him!

And who was 2nd only to messi in the barca scoring charts in his 1st season?

G62. that midfield does have a nice ring about it. although might be a bit narrow as any of them would be wasted out wide. still stick Walcott and griezman out wide with Benzema up front and you have a pretty decent team. apart from protecting the defence of course!

Well Ed01 is either a deluded Liverpool fan or just absolutely clueless when it comes to football. Claiming Coutinho can do what Cesc can do is laughable.
Plus, look at Cesc stats when given the chance at Barca, far superior to Xavi and Iniesta.

{Ed001's Note - or perhaps you are a deluded misty-eyed Arsenal fan with absolutely no idea about football who relies on the idiot's way to judge things - stats? Obviously too deluded to be able to read, as I never said Coutinho can do what Cesc can do at all. I am probably wasting my time, as you are clearly too arrogant and lacking in humility to bother to take notice of other people's viewpoint, but my point was that the money spent on Cesc would be wasted when we already have Coutinho on the bench who plays the same position. The difference being that Coutinho offers the option of gliding past people with the ball at his feet, which Fabregas simply can't do. Oh and Coutinho shows defensive responsibility and positioning, which Fabregas has never been able to learn. Wenger even adjusted his role because of his lack of discipline defensively giving him freedom and covering him with other midfielders. As for stats, don't embarrass yourself by quoting those, Cesc is not half the player Xavi and Iniesta are. Difference is, no one fears him in Spain, so he doesn't have to face the same attention from defenders, who are sent out with specific plans to face those two, while no manager ever bothers setting out a plan to deal with Cesc.}

Ed - this might get me barred but if you think stats are an persons way to judge football you've clearly not been at a modern club as stat analysis is what most of the game is based on.

As for your other comment about Cesc being unable to get past people, I would start with the tottenham game for prime material

{Ed001's Note - most of the game is it? Clearly you have not been at any football club if you think that. There is a place for stats analysis, but it involves a lot more than goals and assists, which every idiot quotes. When they are analysed at the clubs, they include lots more and they use context to assist. There is more to it than just saying so and so scores more goals than another player so that makes him better. They compare things like movement, chance creation, how many chances they take to score, where those chances are, what kind of chances they are etc etc. Stats as quoted on here are just done by those with no clue twisted to back up their argument because no one on here has access to the full package to really be able to analyse them. People will quote them to show how one full back is better because he makes more tackles than another, rather than considering whether the full back needed to make more tackles because he was having to chase back from a poor position more often than the other etc. They are pointless on here, it is that simple, as people will just cherry pick what suits their argument and totally ignore the full facts.}

Yes that is stat anaylsis. That is what I'm talking about - getting your hands on stat anaylsis is not hard, it's on some reports after the game. So I can see Ramsay's heart monitor and see where he spend the game, and see the fact that he covered the most ground etc. That is how they train the team. As I say, Cesc's stats at Arsenal were really good. That was my point. And he can go past people:) Phew! Getting a bit warm in here

27 May 2014 10:53:34
Hey Eds, any idea where Joel Campbell will be playing his football next year?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - No.}

Joel cambell will be playing his football on a pitch next year

27 May 2014 09:24:02
Shame if we miss out on Griezmann, although PSG's ability to potentially spend 60-70mln before the window has even opened, shows how much of a SHAM the FFP rules are.

What a joke.

{Ed002's Note - You seem to be struggling to come to terms with the FFP rules. You might do best to simply not mention them.}

I am not sure if the Amount for David luiz to PSG is true, but if so, mourinho should get banker of the year award.or whoever did that deal.

besides that deal, rumours for players like Marquinhos, Cavani, Lavezzi, Pastore and not to forget a few who will leave on a free to free up the wage bill, means PSG can build a team, with the players PSG have, selling 3-4 of those names itself, your looks at sums over 100 mill euros, and for a team like PSG who do not want or care to show profit, and breaking even would do, they can still go out and buy Dani Alvez, Hugo Lloris, Paul Pogba, Di maria or whoever else they please to.

All I really want is for one big deal to go through so that other teams react, because that's how it always works.

When it comes to money are there any rules? So far both city and PSG look less than worried by uafa's, in fact I get the feeling its the other way round with uafa running scared of them

{Ed002's Note - Yes there are rules and both clubs have agreed to significant fines. Another seven clubs have also been penalised.}

Fair play Ed but fines for multi billionaires! Surely banning new signings from next seasons CL as uafa hinted might happen would have shown real determination to make the rules work. For me you either do what it takes to really change things or just leave them alone in the first place.
While in an ideal world all teams would balance their books with a spend what you bring in policy from gates transfers tv but the reality is we don't live in an. Ideal world and money is very much power

{Ed002's Note - It might come to that eventually but UEFA remain concerned about a pan-European breakaway league - and that was discussed again by a number of clubs as recently as late March.}

But Ed you said that was inevitable 10 odd years down the line, surely they should be scrapping the rule to keep the teams happy? afterall the money men always win in the end, as they have the product which does the talking. THE MONEY.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs do not want to be spending money for the sake of it. It is no way to run a business. The idea is also to give a level of protection such that we don't have another Portsmouth situation.}

Haha - thanks for the response Ed. I am more commenting on the 'spirit' on the original Financial Fair Play concept, versus the practical application of the laws.

Large clubs working for the most part as BAU.

{Ed002's Note - Beirut Arab University?}