Arsenal Banter Archive November 27 2015

27 Nov 2015 22:29:06
Its been a while since i posted. but with coquelin injured (i was slated when i said coquelin could be the answer to our defensive problems a year ago). i'm putting my neck on the line again by saying bring back isaac hayden from his loan spell and give him the opportunity to show what he can do until January.

this will enable wenger breathing space till the transfer window. he is a faster, more powerful, taller and younger option than flamini and arteta and more importantly to wenger FREE!

He was reserves captain and didn't do any harm to his reputation when playing in the first team. coquelin was struggling with charlton before becoming a regular on the team sheet. so let's give hayden a chance.

27 Nov 2015 22:53:45
I can't remember your post of a year ago Hulk, but at the time, I more than likely laughed at the thought of Le Coq being our DM and now he's my favourite player.
Given your great call from a year a go, I'm most definitely open to listening to your thoughts this time round mate.

28 Nov 2015 01:14:34
I've watched hayden a couple times playing for hull, he's no where near ready and I don't think he ever will be.

28 Nov 2015 14:45:20
I think the point Hulk is making MgM is that most people would have said that about coquelin last year but look how that turned out.

28 Nov 2015 17:58:26
Not sure about hayden, spoke with a couple of guys from hull the other day who thinks the other kids there is better. The other thing with coq was he'd been out a good few years learning his trade and was older. He had featured in first team games and was determined to get on, whether at arsenal or elsewhere, he was sure of himself. Hayden may or may not end up in the first team but not yet.

27 Nov 2015 19:21:34
Is there a possibility Wenger will sign another deal? Or is he set to retire in 2017?

27 Nov 2015 19:27:54
Anyones guess, I've even read where he may go early because he's sick of people criticism but to me equally I wouldn't be surprised if he singed another deal when the current one ends.

27 Nov 2015 19:28:48
I think there's always a possibility, but I firmly believe he will retire end of next season.

27 Nov 2015 19:43:13
Can Wenger sing? Lol.

{Ed002's Note - He is leaving - he was talked out of leaving this summer as I have explained but will leave when his contract runs out at the end of next season. The club know this - as I have explained. Read the posts.}

27 Nov 2015 19:54:57
Yep, exactly what I said Ed, retire at end of next season.

27 Nov 2015 20:19:53
18 months is a long time, if things go badly this season he may walk this summer if things go well he may find it hard to walk away in 2017.
Its impossible for anyone to say 100% how they will feel in 18 month's time.

{Ed001's Note - it is not about football or results.}

27 Nov 2015 20:29:39
Fair comment I have no idea how he feels to be honest but what ever its about be it personal life or what ever things will change and this time next year things might and most probably will look very different.

28 Nov 2015 00:35:20
The blokes a bloody pensioner, he needs to put his feet up and spend some of that money he has earnt.

27 Nov 2015 06:35:46
Arsene Wenger seems to be amazed at the endurance of Sanchez. However, in my opinion, the harder a player works, the more durable they seem to become. There have been suggestions in the past that Arsenal's training under Wenger isn't intense enough. Obviously it is harder to avoid impact injuries, although greater conditioning can make the body more resistant to this type of injury as well . A Dutch physio has argued that not only are our players not conditioned properly, but they are rushed back and again suffer injury as a result. I hate to say iit, but at Tottenham you can see the result of higher intensity training, with relatively few injuries, particularly of the muscualr variety. If you ignore the injury to Pritchard, who dosesn't feature in the first team, they only have 3 injuries. One a long term injury to Bentaleb (possibly left over from the last regime) , Chadli who turned an ankle and Lamela being the sole muscular type injury.

{Ed001's Note - it is something I have been arguing for years, that the issue is not with the amount of games, but the training. Players are simply not fit enough, throughout the Prem, not just Arsenal. Players like Suarez and Sanchez show how those working harder suffer less from fatigue.}

27 Nov 2015 06:57:15
Ed001 - Absolutely and David Beckham, who worked tremendously hard both on the pitch and in training, was rarely injured from my recollection. The most absurd injuries this season were Ox and Walcott, who lasted a few minutes against Sheffield Weds. Something was clearly wrong. The amount of muscular injuries at Arsenal are simply unacceptable.

{Ed001's Note - good one, I was trying hard to think of some other grafters to list, but couldn't think of any off the top of my head. Oh Pavel Nedved was another, he used to do extra work on the training ground after the other players had finished, then go home and use his personal gym to work even more. These are the players that should be used as an example to youngsters. Players that make the absolute most of their talents. No one is immune to injuries, but training harder will definitely lessen your chances of the minor niggles. Players had more stamina in the past as they did more stamina and endurance work in training, rather than just sprints like they do now. That is also why they suffered less from injuries, despite the fact that they were facing much more and harder contact with opponents.}

27 Nov 2015 09:50:42
Excellent points and all valid, harder training is a damn good way of avoiding injury.

Players mentioned are great examples and its difficult to argue against the point.

27 Nov 2015 10:09:14
That's a bit of a weird one.
I have heard physio's (can't remember who) actually slate Wenger for training the players too hard.
During the intensity of a season, where teams play saturday/wedn/Saturday, they advise 'light' training is the best practice for the other days, as this gives the body time to recover.

It's a bit like bodybuilders, you don't train hard every day, certainly not the same body parts, indeed you get better results on your day off, as the body builds muscle to repair the previous days work out.

I know you can't compare bodybuilders to footballers, one is muscle gain and the other cardio and stamina, but same meat different gravy?

27 Nov 2015 11:36:11
Dags - The argument against Wenger's training methods are that he repeats the same exercises continually, causing injury. The facts speak for themselves, that the injury situation at the club has been horrendous for years and shows no sign of getting any better.

27 Nov 2015 15:53:14
Agree RG69.

27 Nov 2015 17:59:34
I just hope Arsene reads all this.