Arsenal Banter Archive October 27 2014

27 Oct 2014 20:45:22
Today's poll by Ed's.

Would Arsenal benefit from Wenger returning to Monaco?

14 votes and it's a 50/50 split.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Through work and socialising I meet quite a few gooners and when I ask them what their opinions are on Arsene is almost all say top top manager, when I say how we need a DM desperately most say if Arsene thought we needed one he'd get one but all agree Arteta and Flamini are below standard needed to win the title but still believe Arsene can deliver it probably this season still, figure that out if you can :-)

If he thinks we don't need a DM then he is wrong. And he's been wrong for years now. Have we won a title recently no. He copied the barca mould but that is now over, They had small player but they were some of the best small players ever. Now u need a mix. Like real, bayern etc.

Wenger doesn't think we need one because he is arrogant enough to think we will always have the ball more than any team we play against, limiting their chances to hurt us.

I think your bang on there Banbury mate, I'd never looked at it like that before but it does explain his thinking and answer that massive why?
When you do strange things and win the league your a genius, usually when you do strange things for years and never get close you get the sack.
It seems Arsene truly is an exception to every rule

With the whole defensive midfielder debate and whether Wenger doesn't think we need one. Personally I think he has the right idea in terms of style. Arteta as a player is the ideal type of midfielder just the wrong person to fill the position because of his lack of pace.
He's a Creator from deep. Not like Wilshere, Ramsey, Ozil who are better in advanced positions.
im not of the opinion that we need a powerhouse defensive midfielder. I'd rather have a powerhouse mobile centre back pairing that allows the midfield to create whether t be from deep or from advanced positions.
DerbyGooner made the point that Madrid/Bayern have a good mix. They certainly do. But from their starting line ups from the weekend Bayern had Lahm, Alonso, and Bernat as their midfield 3. Real played Modric, Isco and Kroos. No true powerhouse midfielder in either team. Now I'm not going to list their respective back 4s but when you look at them you can see why neither team needs the stereotypical beast midfielder.
If we were able to field a back 4 with 2 centre backs of top quality then Arteta would be seen more of the player he is, a ball playing quarterback of a midfielder. Instead we see him as a frail devide between midfield and what is in my opinion a weak defence, even if we field our strongest centre pairing.
Now I'm not saying Arteta is what we need. I would like an upgrade on him. Cabaye would have been perfect but he wanted to warm the bench in Paris. I'd even take (and il probably get lynched for this) Tom Huddlestone from Hull purely based on him being one of the best distributors of the ball in the league. But it comes down to the quality of the defence. That's really where Wenger in my opinion has got it wrong.

62 it is a fact that is the way he thinks, you hear Wenger say " we plan our game around us, not the opposition" Wenger always believes we will play teams off the park and if we have 66% of the ball there is only a 1 in 3 chance we can be hurt.

Rocky I agree on Huddlestone mate just not brave enough to mention him :-) how he never made it to Brazil I don't know.
Banbury when will this cunning plan of Wenger's reap rewards? Do you think if say in two years 28 games its still not paid off he might change his mind for his final game? Or would that be seen as a panic measure:-)

28 Oct 2014 08:39:55
Huddlestone unfortunately is probably branded in the category of the likes of Le Tissier, Taraabt and Charlie Adams in that he has the talent but gives the appearance of being overweight and never putting the hard yards in.

If he had the work ethic of Sanchez he would probably be the real deal.

Always think it's a shame they don't make the absolute most of a great career.

Huddlestone used to hang around in derby at 16 he was known then as he was first teamer. He always was a big lad, iv never seen a 16yr old as charm as him on the ball.

Cabaye did not turn us down rocky. We put a low bid in last summer got told the price and backed out, the. Psg signed him in jan. He would of joined us over psg all day long if we paid the fee

I saw huddlestone at 16 and he was huge. A freak. A beast. I don't think he will ever be slim but he isn't fat. Still some player though and i'd have him over arteta here and I think he should be in the england squad

Derby

You wouldn't think it but Huddlestone is lighter than William Carvalho

27 Oct 2014 18:10:00
I'm ever the optimist but just checking our injury list on Physioroom and it doesn't make for great reading, once again we are top of the pile.

1. K Gibbs Hip/Thigh Injury no return date
2. V Diaby Calf/Shin Injury no return date
3. L Koscielny Calf/Shin Injury no return date
4. D Ospina Hip/Thigh Injury Jan 15
5. M Ozil LCL Knee Ligament Injury no return date
6. Y Sanogo Hamstring Injury no return date
7. M Debuchy Ankle/Foot Injury 21st Dec 14
8. O Giroud Ankle/Foot Injury 21st Dec 14
9. V Diaby Calf/Shin Injury. no return date

Diaby played with Theo in the U21 fixture for maybe 60 minutes, I feel for the guy but how on earth does Arsene expect to mould him into a defensive midfielder when it's unlikely he'll ever be available again, I've no idea.

Unless somehow there is a 3rd coming of the boy Jesus and we persuade him to join the medical team I don't know what is going to put an end to this.

I'd like at this point to say positive things about Jack and his injuries but daren't mention it.

27 Oct 2014 19:03:51
Have posted on many occasion, I don't know why Wenger includes Diaby in his plans.

Great player if fit, but he never is.

Wenger should be more ruthless like Mourinho.
Sentimentality doesn't put trophies into cabinets.

Let Diaby go.

As for the other injuries, its worrying.
Not sure why we get so many.

27 Oct 2014 12:18:51
Ive taken a rest from this site recently. But I've seen is linked with winston Reid and pedro this morning. Wouldn't that jut be incredible?

I'm not too convinced. Pedro is an excellent player, but not really what we currently need. Whilst Reid is okay, but nothing special.
If we were to sign two players in the next window, I would like to see a centre back & a defensive midfield player. My choices would be Schneiderlin & Rudiger. Any suggestions?

{Ed002's Note - Fabian Schär or Rudiger and Khedira. Southampton will look to strengthen and will not consider selling Schneiderlin - would you?}

Pedro. No no no. Do not want. Over rated

Pedro and Sanchez on the wings, ozil, welbeck. It just has an 03-04 feel to it, but what do I know aye? ;) Reid would be a great signing. Not athe best player but the right player and that's how you build a winning team

27 Oct 2014 13:42:59
Pedro can get a goal and can grab an assist but is not what we need at the moment.

All honesty all I know of Rudiger is that he is a fast, strong, young CB on FIFA.

Schar is a beast in the air and might actually score us a corner? Am I right in thinking he can play DMF as well?

Let me guess, is Pedro:

A) A strong dominating presence that will add steel to our side

b) Another small, technical player who will add nothing over what we already have, be bullied out games by stronger opposition and disappear for most of the game, and divert funds away from where we should be spending.

Looks like Pedro it is then!!!

This is just boring now, any opinion put on here is just decimated by the negative brigade. Like I'm all for letting people have a voice but this is just a bit of a joke now

27 Oct 2014 16:48:44
Saint - put it this way.

Wingwise we have:

Sanchez - ST - Walcott
Cazorla - ST - Campbell
Ox - ST - Gnabry

Plenty of choice even podolski or welbeck can play out there.

Not what we need - surely you know this?

Dont go Saint, your a valued poster mate and been missed of late.
Until we sign what we really need any proposed signing in an area where not struggling will be met with indifference mate, if we were ever to sign a DM and CB the mood and optimism would go through the roof again.
Get what we need then add the thrills as much to Arsene's desire

Who of those are better than pedro?

I would think that's all it is, paper talk. can't see after all that's gone on, why Pedro would be of interest, maybe reid, but I think we need better. Reid is good but it would be a risk, never played at a higher level. Maybe one for future though. We need a top cb and dm without question.

27 Oct 2014 19:16:18
Alexis Walcott and Ox are all better options for now. Why add another.

Dont go Saint, your a valued poster mate and been missed of late.
Until we sign what we really need any proposed signing in an area where not struggling will be met with indifference mate, if we were ever to sign a DM and CB the mood and optimism would go through the roof again.
Get what we need then add the thrills as much to Arsene's desire

If I put a player on here I think we should sign and people say they don't want him that's fine by me. Interesting to know peoples thoughts.

Im still no to pedro tho. He had xavi iniesta messi eto villa etc in there prime all carrying him. One trick pony

For me, buy as many wingers as it takes until Özil can play nowhere but in the number10. Don't care if we but 20 wingers.