Arsenal Banter Archive August 28 2015

 

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28 Aug 2015 23:16:03
A few seasons ago, Gazidis shouted from the rooftops "We can financially complete with any team in the world, in transfers and wages".

City.
Kevin De Bruyne £56m
Raheem Sterling £49m.
Nicolas Otamendi £32m.
Fabian Delph £8m.

£145m.

Arsenal.
Cech £11m.

Hhhmmmmm.....

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28 Aug 2015 23:58:08
Dag no tears please.
Sure you'll the new manager next season

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29 Aug 2015 00:00:52
But we've got more in the bank than them dags. We are rich rich rich. there's no players out there that can improve us and our squad is the best in the league, obviously.

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29 Aug 2015 00:03:21
It seems to me Arsenal are only restricted by Arsene's values and vision for Arsenal football club.
Maybe I'm wrong but that's the way it seems to me.

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29 Aug 2015 00:06:44
UEFA heard that so changed FFP rules to handicap us again, they then paid a linesman to flag a goal offside, ignore a penalty and worst of all had spurs players infiltrate our team against West Ham. They then paid Claridge and Gary to wind up Wenger while they told The Special one to get his calculator out to see if he can buy the league unfortunately City beat them to it

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29 Aug 2015 00:42:35
Laughable

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29 Aug 2015 05:27:05
Good point.With the new TV deals and stadium being paid off we do have lots of extra cash. Although I am on the fence whether players like De Bruyne and Sterling are worth that.

I am in the Charlie Austin camp as well, the funny thing is he banged in the same amount league goals as Cavani, in a more difficult league.

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29 Aug 2015 09:16:39
Ffp has just stopped us getting away with spending less. Now other clubs are on a rampage money wise we will bottle it. Let my boy usmanov in and let's party

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28 Aug 2015 21:18:52
Spanish media reporting that we have registered a bid for Cavani Ed's?

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28 Aug 2015 22:45:18
Ok that's definitely happening then. WE WILL NOT SIGN CAVANI. Move on.

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29 Aug 2015 11:32:21
Did you say that about Sanchez and Özil, UG?

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28 Aug 2015 21:07:29
1-1 tomorrow

Be glad to get a point

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28 Aug 2015 22:41:34
Thumbs down
2-0 ;-)

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28 Aug 2015 22:45:07
C'mon Bambam, stop being so damn negative.

2-2 for me.

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28 Aug 2015 23:25:18
Banbury mate your prediction record is far better than mine but mate!
We've got to expect a win tomorrow

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28 Aug 2015 23:45:39
Pressures on 2-1 to us is vital. I don't think we can win the league but i never doubt my dreams and i'm not always right, in fact i'm hardly ever right. Just a moaning old git. Come on wenger get your bloody hand in your pocket you old skinflint.

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29 Aug 2015 00:09:02
G62,

As Mrs Dags says, "What you expect and what you will get are two different things".

Bless her.

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29 Aug 2015 00:43:36
Have to be realistic mate , they have started half decent .

Love a 3-0 win but don't see it I'm afraid

A decent away point

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29 Aug 2015 05:39:15
Mitrović has the potential to be a dangerous player. As a youth player he was considered one of the world for his age. He likes to score against us as well.

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28 Aug 2015 19:15:30
Eds, do you see arsenal getting anyone in before deadline day? Are we waiting on dominoes to fall amongst other clubs?

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{Ed025's Note - i think that was the plan spud but i think it may have gone tits up, arsene is looking but hes leaving it awfully late mate..

28 Aug 2015 20:48:37
Well he's responsible if it does ed. not a wenger hater but he has to make sure he strengthens the squad. If he is in the market he obviously feels we need someone. Leaving it till jan is a fall out plan and any quality out there will either be cup tied or not available.

I'm sure he has got something up his sleeve

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28 Aug 2015 18:12:35
If we had won our 3 opening games and were playing really well plus won at Newcastle giving us maximum pionts going into the international break then struggled on our return, there'd be little Arsene or anyone else could do to strengthen us before January no matter who was in charge.
But luckily for us there's still time to do something about our situation surely there's no logical reason not to get some help in even if it costs a bit more than the going rate to do so.
Surely no other manager with decent money to spend would wasste this opportunity to make to increase the chances of success.

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28 Aug 2015 18:55:40
I agree, and I have feeling so does Arsene.

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28 Aug 2015 20:46:02
As Confuscious say, "logic does not reside in the land of the stubborn".

I actually just made that up, but you get my drift.

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28 Aug 2015 20:50:44
If he's left it until the end to benefit from some domino effect and it goes wrong and we end up with no one, you have to say it's an amateur mistake

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28 Aug 2015 21:06:26
Very early days for me to make the following comment BUT

If AW doesn't sign anyone and we have the injuries that we are so used to , then for Top Four will be a struggle . If and it is only an If , we do finish 5th then for me I will be calling for AW to leave...............of course he wont. But he could have been forgiven in seasons past as we knew money was tight but its not anymore .

If signing someone is as hard as AW says then why don't other clubs ever seem to struggle, let's sack our negotiator then.

One lucky signing of 11million pounds, I'm expecting more .

Lot of if's I know but this season we will be stretched I feel

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28 Aug 2015 22:49:52
If there is cell in your brain that thinks we won't finish top 4, then you simply don't get it. We have made top 4 with teams less than half as good as this. Top 4 will be a walk.

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28 Aug 2015 17:13:41
Mario Gomez has a scoring record of 1 in 2 through out his career and at 30 was available on loan this summer, would he not have been worth having for a season? Who knows if things went well it might have been longer

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28 Aug 2015 19:22:46
Is he the next Ballotelli?

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28 Aug 2015 20:48:44
His past 2 seasons have been marred by injury.

Would have been a massive gamble mate.

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28 Aug 2015 22:32:12
No gunner, no he wouldn't. I would rather have a terrible spread of conjunctivitis within the club, resulting in several members of the playing staff attempting to carry on regardless, which unfortunately leads to them having minor traffic incidents in their motor vehicle. That would be preferable over signing Mario Gomez. Franny Jeffers anyone?

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28 Aug 2015 22:47:45
So, what you saying Ubistonk?

I'm confused :-)

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28 Aug 2015 17:08:37
I guess our deals will be done in the deadline day

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28 Aug 2015 20:49:01
Or not Josh.

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28 Aug 2015 22:33:29
Yep, either that or a different day.

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28 Aug 2015 16:58:09
Tomorrow's game, I predict 2-0 to arsenal. What's yours please?

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28 Aug 2015 17:52:54
3 1 arsenal

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{Ed025's Note - 1-0 for me..

28 Aug 2015 17:55:00
Surely this is as much of a must win game as any game in August can be so I'm going to agree with you Wil and say a disciplined 0 2 for us.

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28 Aug 2015 18:07:57
I can see a win. Il go 2-1. We normally grind a win out there.

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28 Aug 2015 19:28:13
2-2 for me.

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{Ed025's Note - watch you dont get too many splinters in your arse there dags.. :)

28 Aug 2015 19:55:53
The fence here - we will bounce from our starting position but with the two second choice Centrebacks give away goals

So: 2 - 4 win for Arsenal

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28 Aug 2015 20:13:20
5 pionts from a possible 12 against West Ham Palace Liverpool and Newcastle Dags? Surely not mate.

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28 Aug 2015 20:20:46
Easy win giroud always scores there ill back him to score.

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28 Aug 2015 20:50:00
Ed, just call me Mr Creosote :-)

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28 Aug 2015 20:52:54
Sometimes the fence feels nice ed. especially if the post is short thick and round.... Oops wrong site 😧

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28 Aug 2015 22:36:30
I know I'm usually massively optimistic, but I have to confess I can't see us getting more than 17 at their place tomorrow. Could be tough.

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28 Aug 2015 15:19:46
I love Ox as much as anyone but in tomorrow's match would suggest Theo be the winger, he has more goals in him and we need goals and has earned the right to be the first choice winger. I think its time he settle in, instead of pushing for the CF slot, would open more space for Sanchez as well.

Would still prefer Ox over Ramsey there at this point but for me its Theo's time.

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28 Aug 2015 16:31:40
Rooster what has Theo done to earn his place above the Ox?
The Ox looks our best player so far this season and before he got injured last season was only 2nd to Sanchez from August to February.
And Theo has done?

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28 Aug 2015 16:49:33
Thoughts on the ox at nun10. Or sanche at num10. We have someone close to giroud who can run beyond him

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28 Aug 2015 17:33:14
Gunner I think Theo has more of an eye for goal than Ox that's all. Not going to say anything bad about Ox, he has been super impressive as well.

Messi himself said Barcelona were shocked and relieved when Wenger didn't start theo in the second leg… seems sometimes the boss is the last to know.

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28 Aug 2015 17:58:37
On well Rooster Theo it is then :-) no one could argue with with that reasoning.

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28 Aug 2015 22:41:13
Agree with Rooster 100%. You cannot put Ox above Walcott purely on form. They are completely different players. Theo plays on the shoulder and hurts teams in behind. He will get beyond Giroud. Ox has been excellent, but he's a totally different player. For me Theo must play to stretch them.

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28 Aug 2015 15:06:17
As a club do Arsenal football club have the reasorces and infrastructure to seriously compete with other top clubs for the premier league title?
If yes why don't we?

If no what is a reasonable expectation of the team considering competing with the big boys is beyond us?

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28 Aug 2015 15:33:05
Here's the thing.

We DO now have money to spend.
We've paid off the Emirates and we can now afford to spend a bit of cash.

However we aren't anywhere near City, Chelsea or even Utd when it comes to cash flow.

We CAN go and spend £50m on a player, but that player has to be an undisputed starting 11 every time he's fit.
We can't be like Chelsea and spend £25m on a player and bench him like Cuadrado.

We can't offer a player £200k a week in wages unless that player is really worth it.

That all said, I can't for the life of me figure out why we've only signed Cech, because some of the options out there, certainly are an improvement on Giroud/Arteta/Flamini.

To be honest, we don't even need THAT much!
Say we start AoC on the right and a new striker up top, tell me that a bench of Ospina, Gabriel, Debuchy, Wilshere, Ramsey, Walcott, Giroud, isn't a fantastic bench!?

But hey, maybe that's why I'm not arsenal manager

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28 Aug 2015 16:32:44
Actually I don't think the stadium debt is paid off entirely...

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28 Aug 2015 16:39:52
D if let's say Guadiola or Klopp took over last May and were given £100 million would you expect them to
A spend it
B make a title challenge.
I think the real question is could anyone find thr playrrs to make us real title contenders with our huumble resources.

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28 Aug 2015 17:00:02
Wouldn't we get close to City & the others if we spent well and then won the Premiership & the Champions League. Then we would attract the best stadium, shirt advertising revenue.

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28 Aug 2015 18:09:26
Or we could blow the wage structure, have a bunch of mercenaries come in for a couple of years, mess up the chemistry, neglect the balance of youth versus stars and have it all come crashing down causing us to miss the CL and into a financially unstable position for several years to come…and even worse maybe finish below spurs in the table - that's a picture I don't want to see.

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28 Aug 2015 18:14:33
Gooner,

Success over the short-term will not greatly increase our revenue (as we have long-term deals with the majority of our sponsors and any new deal would probably be minor - so we are talking about only increases to prize money), BUT over the long-term success would increase the popularity of Arsenal worldwide, with the knock-on of making Arsenal more valuable to sponsors, advertisers, and for live tv matches. That would then translate into greater revenues, which could translate into greater squad investment.

I do have trouble with the use of Chelsea and City as examples of who we cannot compete with financially. They are not really in a different category revenue-wise to Arsenal. We could compete with Chelsea / City if it were about spending what you earn, what we cannot compete with is their benevolent ownership.

What Arsenal want is to be successful, and long-term become more like like Madrid, Barca, Bayern, or Utd. who have huge revenue streams based on past success and the marketability of the brand based on past glories.

That said, at this point, we should be able to compete with the best in terms of players, as there are only, a handful of clubs that have the ability to spend what we do. (We may not be able to spend the most, but with what we spend, we should still be able to be competitive and win competitions we enter).

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{Ed025's Note - good post that james..

28 Aug 2015 19:08:18
When you buy players you get them on either a 3 or 5 year contract and that's the time line that I am thinking about and any deals that we have will be running out by the time we get near a Champions League final. We have waited a long while rightly so while we pay off the stadium to get into a financial position of strength and to go to the next level we need player investment. If we strengthen the team then I'm sure we won't mind waiting another few years for success.

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28 Aug 2015 13:31:03
Rumours Inter accepted bid for Icardi. Any truth Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Twitter?}

28 Aug 2015 12:50:55
Just a question about the window. Deadline day is on Tuesday here, but I've read that in France, Germany, Spain, and Italy it's on Monday. Does this mean we'd have to have signed players from these countries by Monday or is it just that teams in these countries can't sign any more players after Monday?

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{Ed002's Note - No, but they won't be looking to sell then.}

28 Aug 2015 14:17:29
Thanks

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28 Aug 2015 10:23:33
This squad on a good day play the best football. So who is to blame for if we fail to win more games? Wenger or The Players?

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28 Aug 2015 10:59:55
Very good question willy -

For me, Wenger is responsible for building such a quality and sustainable team and based on loyalty (missing ingredient around here sometimes), full credit to him. Still, I think his weak spot might be the game management - limited rotation and unbalanced team all too often.

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28 Aug 2015 11:00:00
It's a shared burden really.

The Manager can pick the wrong tactics for certain games, we go gung ho against big teams and get picked off.
When he decided to go more cautious against City last season or Chelsea in the Community shield, we won both times and played superbly.

He can also stick with a player who's not working, like Ramsey out wide.

He's also not addressing key area's like striker, centre half and defensive mid, in the window either.


The players however share an equal stake in the blame game.
If they aren't playing well, they become a weak link.

If they don't try, they let their team down.

They can be wasteful in possession.



Ultimately, the way a lot of players in our team play, is down to the tactics, but the 'blame' for poor performances can never lie at one mans doorstep.

The whole part of being a team is you share it all.
Highs, lows, wins, losses.

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28 Aug 2015 11:05:08
It's hard to pick. Some games could be because of the system wenger has told them to play, other games the players could just perform badly. It's not as clean cut as wenger or players fault. Most of the time it will be a mixture of both.

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28 Aug 2015 11:05:48
AW for playing them out of position.

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28 Aug 2015 11:45:52
Wenger. Needs to buy some world class players and so ambition. Sadly it went a decade ago

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28 Aug 2015 13:47:33
Good job Derby. You one again managed to make the exact same comment that you make every day. Which does in no way answer what the OP asked. I wouldn't be surprised if people like you are actually placed within the communities of football clubs to stir shit up, and further the over arching narratives perpetuated by the media. Look forward to reading that you think we need to sign 2-3 'world class players' (whatever the fuck world class is) tomorrow.
Sad thing is this nonsense gets though to our 'fans'. Not ony are the posts on this site generally monotonous during transfer windows, but I was seeing people still complaining of Wenger's reluctance to spend just after the windows opened. After two summers of quite considerable spending.
Another thing - I'd be embarrassed if we spent 50m on someone like De Byrne. People using the fact City do this to support their arguments that we should spend more is laughable.

@ OP - both imo, players seem mentally weak, have for years. Wenger's does seem to be lacking in terms if adjusting tactics for a given situation. But what do I know? He's paid the big bucks

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28 Aug 2015 14:33:22
Pre man city 90% Arsene 10% team because of his refusal to consider the opposition we faced and played his way in every single game regardless of who we faced or any injuries we might have which more and more teams learned how to contain more and more often.
Since the day at Man city when the team refused to get beat again playing as always away to the big boys things have changed and Arsene has become much less stubborn and set in his ways and against Monaco it was obvious when he accused the players of being naive it was the players who'd underestimated and taken Monaco too lightly not Arsene.
At the moment I'd say on the players get it wrong more often then the manager.

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28 Aug 2015 15:23:46
Dicky iv been making the same comment for years. And you have to ask why I keep making the comment?

Fans are no longer believing the excuses or being fooled anymore.

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28 Aug 2015 15:25:10
Also dicky. De bruyne for 50mill is a lot but I did think he will have a bigger impact than ozil. He will create more goals for them and push them on

The price of players has gone up we need to realise this and keep up with it mate. Sad but true

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28 Aug 2015 23:06:35
De Bruyne better than Ozil? Fantastic. This is drivel even for you Derby. He will hardy get a kick this season.

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29 Aug 2015 00:46:53
Derby do you know what ozil would do in city's squad, with their set-up? He would run absolutely wild, lead the EPL and Europe in assists it would be one big cocktail party for him, probably challenge Messi and Ronaldo for player of the year - far bigger impact than De Bruyne IMO.

If we get a striker with strength and mobility (Benzema and Lewandoski, I am talking about you) and Ox/Theo on the wing for balance - we could have the same thing here and even though I am a fan Spyder would have been an upgrade over Coq and a better fit for Ozil.

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28 Aug 2015 09:44:30
Hey ed. Can you give us an update on where we stand with signings, any new developments if any please.

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing changed overnight.}

28 Aug 2015 08:12:21
The buzz of expectation this summer has been fantastic with fans and pundits alike feeling this will be finally be the season Arsenal truely reemerge as title contenders, that buzz is fading already before we're August is even out.
A disappointing start and the 2 teams who finished above us last season continually strengthing and looking to strengthen further still while Arsene continues to come out with the same unbelievably excuses.
If we fail to strengthen by the deadline and the title race for us is over before 2016 even gets here last seasons Arsene in/out debate that split the fans so badly will look like a minor disagreement.
No more excuses no more false promises of how next season will be better the time to act is now.
Every professional football tean thar charges people to watch them has a duty to those people to be all it can possibly be and includes Arsenal football club too.

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28 Aug 2015 01:42:38
Yarmolenko looks the part....go for it Arsene..

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28 Aug 2015 00:05:43
I find it incredibly irritating how irritated people get by the fact that we haven't signed anyone other than cech yet.

The transfer market isn't a bloody tescos. You can't just name a player you think will improve us, give the club 50 mil and he is ours.

There could be numerous reasons why a deal won't be done, from the simple, being the team not wanting to sell, to the player not wanting to leave the club, uproot his family/life etc. Plus as in Cavani's case a players wages might be too high.

There could be so many things going on behind the scenes that we will never know about.

Plus, I can always add the thing that people choose not to value as argument, which is that he isn't going to buy anyone who he doesn't think can improve us.

Benzema, Lewandowski, lacazette, Cavani, Carvalho, Kyrchowiak, Romagnoli, Vidal, Dybala, Otamendi etc... are all unattainable for good reasons, most of them extremely obvious but everyone states them again in their frustration that we haven't bought anyone even though reasons have been given as to why they haven't been bought.

Just seems like we should be being patient, and if nothing happens so be it. There will be a reason behind us not being able to buy anyone and also we will still have a good squad.

Just my opinion obviously, slate as you will.

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28 Aug 2015 06:49:18
We clearly needed at least 3 players to improve the squad: a keeper (sorted), a defensive midfield player & a striker.
No it isn't Tescos, but targets must be set out early and chased vigorously. Look at the signings Man U, Man C, Liverpool & Chelsea have achieved and look like achieving.
Put £50m on the table for Lewnadowski & £65m for Pogba and see what happens.
We could have challenged for Schneiderlin, we didn't.

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28 Aug 2015 06:51:16
I hope you've posted this on the city and Chelsea page too Henry because they simply don't seem to understand there's no players available, may Arsene could demand a rule change.

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28 Aug 2015 07:47:46
Yeah, like Chelsea and City have the same problems.

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28 Aug 2015 07:50:44
G62 is right Henry in most cases you buy cheep you buy twice. Even when we got ozil he didn't come cheep it wasn't if we got a bargain

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28 Aug 2015 10:43:00
To be fair Dags, City and Chelsea haven't bought a 'world class striker'which is the main thing we need. We're not interested in wingers, the Ox isn't even getting a looking at the minute (although you can't say no to adding someone like Reus to your squad). Wenger has also confirmed that we are not interested in defenders and we have an abundance of central midfielders, therefore a DM and a striker may be all that we are seriously on the hunt for. Ed has suggested that we may decide to wait for Carvalho on the DM front.

Strikers do really seem to be gold dust in this transfer market, I can't think of one that is 'available'. That isn't to say we can't prize one away from their club with a massive offer, but even Chelsea or Man City would have difficulty finding a top striker I believe.

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28 Aug 2015 11:02:46
I'll admit I was a tad tipsy when I was on yesterday, so the point I was trying to make was not as eloquently put as I would have liked. It also seemed to be blinded by some pretty unnecessary rage lol

But really all I was trying to say was that most people have been complaining all summer about our main transfer target which is that of a striker where as, as TPG said there isn't a target that is currently available. Yes obviously we need a DM as well but it sounds like carvalho has been the player he has wanted for some time, and so might want to wait til January...

And while some may disagree, personally I don't, he is clearly happy with his defence so we were never really interested in a cb and otamendi wasn't a target. Same with the wing as to why we didn't go for pedro or de bruyne.

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28 Aug 2015 11:09:44
Thiery Henry was not a striker when we bought him but look what AW achieved with him but alas he seems to have lost the magic of being able to see players that can change into deadly CF's.

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28 Aug 2015 11:47:45
My worry with carvalho his agent i s Jorge mendes and he owns some of his rights.

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28 Aug 2015 13:01:23
Yeah Derby it seems to be very complicated when it comes to Carvalho's ownership, I'm sure I heard there was some third party that owns a portion of him too. I try not to think about that side of things but it may be an obstacle.

G62, if Wenger bought a young cheap winger that he believed would become a great striker - like Henry, you would complain that he didn't buy a ready-made striker that is already proven at the top level. (Not a personal dig, just making a general point because that's how us football fans work) :P

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28 Aug 2015 13:25:04
TPG your right but that's only because I know AW has lost the ability to find someone who he could change.

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28 Aug 2015 15:25:54
Perfect goal. Jorge owns 30percent of him I believe. He's a clever guy mate

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27 Aug 2015 23:23:21
I for one am over the moon drawing Bayern in our group stages, we are a top team in Europe so we should relish playing against them. People do need too seriously lighten up about our transfer business, for people saying players were available how do you know if they were? Did their agent state that "my client is available come and buy him" no they didn't, lacazette stated from the start of the window that he was staying at Lyon so no he wasn't available, abumyang said the same thing, zlatan wouldn't come to us because Wenger knows exactly what he is hence why he never signed him many years ago, These are just examples obviously but the fact of the matter is not every blooming player is available so just sit tight and see what Wenger does, and if he doesn't sign anyone then just have some faith in our team, I believe we can win the league with our team, it won't be easy obviously but no one has any idea how the league is going to pan out, the same with the champions league how do you know that Bayern won't loose to us or any other team in the group? They lost to Porto 3-1 did they not?

Sorry for the rant but how sad is it that all some people can be is pessimistic on here? Just loose all faith before the fixture has even been arranged, you want us to compete on all levels? Then it's about time people started to believe we can, if we fail and our manager hangs his boots up at the end of the season then football will have lost one of the greatest managers ever to have graced the game, he's about the only loyal person in football anymore so on that alone he deserves far more respect than some people give him.

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28 Aug 2015 11:49:40
How did the second leg go for porto?

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27 Aug 2015 23:21:47
Clearly Berahino is for sale - club just frustrated with offer and payment scheme.

Could we pounce there....

Come on AW - striker, CDM and Lacey winger. Let's get Reuss to play in the front 3. Give Ozil pace and width to play with.

If I say Striker, CDM and Lacey winger into a mirror 3 times. Do they appear like Candyman?

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28 Aug 2015 08:32:46
Would prefer Charlie Austin to Berahino, and Reuss would be the capture of the century.

Sadly, that won't happen.

Nice thought though SY4.

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28 Aug 2015 09:16:21
Berahino is average. Another welbeck style signing. No thanks

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27 Aug 2015 22:59:48
Marco reus hatrick. Let's just go and get him and be done with it.

Special special player

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28 Aug 2015 07:19:44
Is he available on a free? If not move along nothing to see here.

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28 Aug 2015 11:40:23
And he would play up front instead of giroud, or help out the defense for coq? There is a bigger reason why none of the big clubs haven't gone for him.

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28 Aug 2015 15:27:35
His injury record isn't great recently and clubs may wait to see how he goes. He won't be cup tied for champions league but at a push this is his last season at Dortmund. He can do a job upfront if needed I believe.

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27 Aug 2015 22:43:41
we will not sign anybody else this window.

how disapointing is this? feel like we will do well to get 4th.

embaresing!!!!

out of all the players that have moved this year who would you have signed if you were boss.

i would of signed vidal! gourcuff!
and talk to paris about ibrahimovic!

could you imagine cech/vidal/ibrahimovic/gourcuff

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28 Aug 2015 10:31:30
No, you would have tried to sign Vidal, Gourcoff and Ibra maybe

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