Arsenal Banter Archive February 28 2016

 

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28 Feb 2016 22:57:21
When we look to grasp ourselves right back into the title race, we yet again let ourselves fall at the next hurdle.

Today reminded me of our defeat to Southampton earlier in the season and the events surrounding both defeats today included were relatively the same. We had just beaten Manchester City in a crucial game that propelled us into a strong position in the title race when we were easily dispatched of by a incredibly beatable Saints side, we cited a lack of passion and a lack of focus that day, yet we easily brushed it off as a one off, maybe the euphoria at the time of leading the title race, being favourites and Ozil's form meant we were prepared to overlook how poorly we had responded to such a big win, yet the patterns are striking in relation to that game and our result today.

Following an incredible victory at home to Leicester, with a last gasp winner we propelled ourselves back into the title race and everyone yet again seemed convinced we would push on and that Leicester were going on to fall, yet lighting appears to have striked twice, our following league game yielded an incredible loss to what has to be considered one of the worst Utd teams in history, yes we played two other games in between but still our return to our championship fight which is our priority has yet again been abysmal.

Now what is it that can explain such repeated occurrences, our always sloppy February form? and our poor responses to seismic events? it is yet again persistent failings but why? Well looking at the two examples mentioned overconfidence and thinking we will just walk games seems to be the answer, both games we had pretty much our fist 11 yet we were easily dispatched of by teams whose majority of fielded players on the day would not get into our team. Where does this mentality come from, it must come from somewhere and judging by the arrogance AW exerts at times we can only look at one place. Do these players also want it enough? 'wanting it' is what Vardy and co have offered us all season, bundles of passion and work rate with a team that isn't the greatest but they ground out results like against Norwich because they are committed and never have a attitude of being beat and dying once they concede, yet once we do today it seems our overconfidence becomes shrouded in panic and fear and we result to how all arsenal teams since 2006 have been and that is to just commit to the attack, act carelessly and abandon simple instructions or roles. With such a mentality how can we ever win the league.

Secondly, I mentioned our poor february form and our lack of fight, WHERE ARE THE WARRIORS IN THIS TEAM? When the weather gets rough we seem to get a nosebleed heading up north and we never seem to want to fight tooth and nail for it, regardless of our opposition, we offer very little aggression! Only Coquelin who I absolutely love and probably Alexis Sanchez who is shocking at the moment put up any fight! We lack players with desire who don't mind getting hurt in order to win! Compare this team man for man based on hunger, passion and fight with our last winning championship winning team and today we look absolute melts! Lauren over Bellerin, Sol over Mert, Toure/ Keown over Kos, Cole over Monreal, Gilberto probably on par with Coq, Vieira over Ramsey, Pires on par with Sanchez, Ljungberg over Walcott, Bergkamp over Ozil and Henry over Giroud, these guys were tough, athletic and physical and knew what the badge meant. They bossed and scared teams yet today we are nowhere near in comparison, we are fairies who don't put themselves out there to win, only a minority do!

So why hasn't Wenger stuck to this blueprint? Yes football has changed but Leicester have that robustness about them, City do and even Spurs do, I hate to say it but fundamental changes are needed in our squad either mentally or personnel wise to recreate those days of not fearing anyone and being the feared, we are no longer a monster that can go to the Bernabeu and win 1-0 or go to Inter and win 5-1! And if that is the case and our bad form persists and we do not win the league for me Wenger has to go!

As a big lover of Arsenal FC I really hope I get proved wrong and this team can go on to great things starting with this season but i'm afraid the proof is in the pudding, today we were beaten by a b team, possibly even a c team with an 18 year old debutant and a LB AND CM paring at CB, as 'title challengers' that should never ever happen!

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29 Feb 2016 00:01:19
Cant really argue with GR that pretty much sums it up. Great post by the way.

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29 Feb 2016 00:18:29
Cheers steve, point is, I shouldn't be having to make posts like that, as suppossed title challengers in the easier premier league for a long time we should be killing such a utd team.

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29 Feb 2016 00:30:41
I think what has upset me is the players don't look like they want it. I think they are racked with fear, how else can you explain getting to the top of the league and then produce sterile, negative football. I really don't think they are of the mindset that champions have. We have stopped scoring and are letting goals in and that only spells one thing.

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29 Feb 2016 03:32:59
Didn't even deserve to beat Leicester truthfully. Papered over the cracks for one week.

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29 Feb 2016 07:01:00
Great points. And rooster you are correct.

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28 Feb 2016 22:56:57
We must hope Spuds drop points at West Ham and we get 3, its a fixture you would hope Spuds struggle in. Be criminal if they lose and we also drop points.

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{Ed033's Note - Don't Arsenal usually lose points towards the end of the season?, hopefully that won't happen this season.

28 Feb 2016 23:51:20
Swansea have a very good record at the Emerirates, sorry but it's true.
Wednesday will be a night for those who it matters to most.

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29 Feb 2016 00:32:26
I honestly don't think it matters about spurs and even Leicester we aren't good enough to do anything about it.

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28 Feb 2016 21:10:28
I don't mean to be the Prophet of doom, but there is no way we will win the league.

We have a weird sequence of games coming up.

A winable home game followed by a tricky (probably defeat) away game.

Swansea H (win)
Spurs A (loss)
West Brom H (win)
Everton A (loss)
Watford H (win)
West Ham A (loss)

This is followed by Palace, Sunderland, Norwich, Man City and Villa (3 of those 5 are winable) .

Now, if we were 5 points clear at this stage of the season we could possible take a few defeats in our stride.
But, we are 5 points adrift, so no way we will win the league.

Just my opinion of course, but based heavily on the fact we always bottle the big games and will probably come unstuck on a few of the other ones too.
Also, throw in the fact that Welbeck aside, I personally think Theo and Giroud will be lucky to score 6 goals between them from now until the end of the season.

Also, throw Sanchez into the above mix too. He's having a poor season.

Just my opinion of course, but don't think many people on here can disagree too much.

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28 Feb 2016 21:58:34
Dags you are correct my friend.

I've never been more disappointed in Arsenal than today, the league was there for the taking and suddenly our form completely drops from being champions elect to Aston villa it's absolutely astonishing.
Today was abysmal. a game where we had to win to keep up with the rest against a the poorest Utd side in years n years and they put a performance in like that? Not acceptable one bit. Every single one of them needs a rollicking from keown, someone needs to put the Arsenal spirit into these players because there just happy turning up putting half arsed performances in.

What's happened to us? Why the sudden drop in form?

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28 Feb 2016 21:34:11
You will get one disagree via red dog. Probs skyping Wenger now crying and asking if everything will be OK.

Ubistonk hasn't been seen for while too. Just thought I'd see if he's about.

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28 Feb 2016 22:35:11
Agree with all the above, but I think we will win at W Ham.

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28 Feb 2016 22:48:14
Agree Jegooner,
"What's happened to us? "

It's called pressure mate and this team can't handle pressure.
We have no leaders on the pitch, no Vieira or Adams. We are not a team, just 11 individuals.

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28 Feb 2016 23:25:36
Just checking out the league n fixtures and next midweek games could easily go in our favour n we'd be right back in it. that being said we have to pull our socks up n get on a winning run.

Do we chop n change next game?

If so, who?

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28 Feb 2016 23:45:16
Bloody hell you lot, i am a spurs fan, i still think you're favourites, Leicester i reckon will slip up in a few games, Spurs will not win them all, Arsenal have a stronger squad than tottenham, i think tottenham can win it but i reckon you may just pip us to it.

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29 Feb 2016 07:45:41
Sdtspurs,
On paper maybe mate, but we are terribly inconsistent, whereas your lot and Spurs are not.

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01 Mar 2016 02:40:25
I just think Arsenal have more experience in their squad, Tottenham also have the Europa league to piss around with, the Thursday games seem to screw us a bit, hence we kept bloody drawing at the start of the season, but hey anyway, i think one of us will win it, i'd rather Arsenal win the league then Chelsea, United or City, however i'd still want Leicester to win it if we don't haha.

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28 Feb 2016 19:37:48
I'm personally not surprised by us today or our recent dip in form we have been for years now a team of 2 half each and every season, the only shocks this season have been Chelsea and city being so poor and Leicester being so good but we are just being us.
Spurs? Well they've been in the spursday night league each season because they've been on the edge of the top 4 every previous season and because they changed managers so often it was only a matter of time before that got a good one and everyone finally backed him.
Football doesn't stand still those who were once greats of the game Manchester United and Liverpool have been in decline and are trying to find their way back while city and Chelsea will be doing all they can to get back on track first time of asking next season.
Us? Will we still be hoping Theo finally comes good and Jack finally stays fit?
Most likely because that's what we do and who we are, loyal and patient and stuck in our ways with success being seen as a bonus rather than the number one target.

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28 Feb 2016 20:50:24
Theo walcott is a footballer who occassionally can finish and has the speed of a new ferrari but offers nothing more. can't dribble can't get out of tight spaces. at best a squad player. Wilshere is the best english player we have and he is crocked. even xavi said that he does not play like the normal english players.

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28 Feb 2016 20:58:27
That post pretty much sums the Prem League up G62.

Teams have changed, some for better and some for worst.

Man utd have declined since Red Nose retired, shows what a fantastic manager he was.

Chelsea welcomed the second homecoming of Mourinho. The dream turned into a nightmare, hence their poor form.

Spurs have stepped up a level or two and are a very good side since Mopo took over.

Leicester are the team of the season under Ranieri, a terrific team.

Us, well we still have Wenger, still the same style of play, still the same players, still the same tired old results against the big boys and still the same end of season outcome.

Change of manager?

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28 Feb 2016 21:13:01
I can't see how a player of Xavi's quality can say that about Wilshere, who in my opinion, is average at best.

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28 Feb 2016 19:41:17
I had a feeling you were going to blow Utd away today looking at their starting line up . But footballs a funny old game and we got out of jail ourselves today against Swansea. This season has a long way to go and you will definitely be there at the end of season. I also think city and Utd will also be there. I think it is time for a change of manager in the summer at Arsenal and Ronald koeman would fit in perfect at arsenal.

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28 Feb 2016 20:07:14
Don't start being nice to us Raver mate, it too much to take you feeling sorry for us :-)
Enjoy your success mate its been a long time coming and its your chance to laugh at us for a change mate.

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28 Feb 2016 20:07:41
Raver

Rather a sensible post from your good self, some sense there also.

Trouble is mate momentum is with the top two, your really are the form sides .

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28 Feb 2016 20:49:20
Add me to that list raver we are poor at the moment you ain't simples really.

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28 Feb 2016 19:34:08
Players that can go in my opinon:-

Mert (just too slow and
inmobile in a high line we play)

Flamini (Never good enough)

Arteta (about 8 years past his best, has not got the legs) .

Rosicky (good servant but Too injury prone)

Walcott (has not progressed atall, lacks technic and football intelligence, just quick big deal might aswell sign Usian Bolt)

Ox (Sorry has not developed as much as he should have best position is AM but already have Ozil and Cazorla ahead of him)

Wilshere (Sorry Arsenal through and through but is either injuired or recovering from injury needs to cut our losses here) .

Jenkinson (Not Top 4 team standard)

Question marks over Gibbs, Chambers and Gabriel aswell but are suffering over lack of game time. Gabriel in particular defo needs to be given more time to integrate.

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28 Feb 2016 19:40:55
Walcott, Ox and Wilshire will NEVER be sold, only if a dumb bid comes in from someone.

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28 Feb 2016 19:54:50
Ryan almost none of these guys played today and Walcott had a howler. let's face it he is a striker starter or sub.

Getting rid of the bench does fix what happened today. I like most of our players but we need an Adams/ Viera leader - actually probably 2. Just to give us belief.

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28 Feb 2016 20:17:41
I know it would be hard to see the likes of Wilshere and Ox be sold but at some point you have to look at reality and get ruthless for long term benefit of the squad.

Wilshere fitness record is abysmal and for me we have to cut our loses. With the Ox Wenger obviously thinks he is 1st team ready else he would have still been being loaned out but for me he just not of standard to push Ozil and Cazorla out of that AM position and he not pacey or tricky enough to play out wide. Can we afford to wait and see if Ox can improve to replace Ozil and Cazorla in that position.


Walcott he has not improved on bit in years, he should be in his prime now and should be taking games like today by the scruff of the neck and making a makeshift back 4 run ragged all over the place.

Mert its is clear he too slow and inmobile in our line and is just a liability.

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28 Feb 2016 18:14:04
Do you think diego simeone would walk In that dressing room and not make a mess of the place. He would not accept that. But I doubt his team would roll over like that.

Wenger can't motivate the team anymore and hasn't been able to for a long team. If we are not careful ozil Sanchez will be asking for a move. Sad but true.

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28 Feb 2016 19:21:27
Wenger is all Ice but he needs some fire sometimes and show some balls and start drooping players to lay it on the line don't perform and don't care who you are you don't play. Wenger won't change his ways now though so has gone into a too stale and stubborn old man so needs to go.

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28 Feb 2016 20:54:26
How i wish we had simeone. One of the most passionate coaches ever. He is so animated and i think the same passion goes through to his player. Guy went to the bernabau and outplayed real madrid. even outplayed even Barcelona at camp nou with 10 men. By far the best tactician in la liga now.

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28 Feb 2016 21:26:18
You can blame Wenger all you like, once those players cross that white line putting in a good performance and winning should be paramount, yes you can blame Wenger for not strengthening and some of his tactics can be a bit questionable but that team was more than capable of putting Utd to the sword today.
Far to many games where 3-4 players have gone missing this season, we should thank our lucky stars that Liverpool Utd and Chelsea have had the season they've had otherwise we'd be looking at Thursday night football and a rut that's hard to get out of

The lack of desire in some of our players is frightening.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you there 1404..

28 Feb 2016 23:35:38
1404 did you say the same about Jose at Chelsea? Its time for a change mate. People say be careful what you wish for. Well tbh I'm scared of a second rate French manager coming in. But I suspect the candidates will be very high. You just don't know with arsenal.

Has Wenger ever made his own spine at arsenal? Debatable. Many of the best he had were inherited.

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28 Feb 2016 18:55:40
Overhaul needed in summer if we want to compete for a premier league which will be 10 fricking times harder than the one we are currently struggling to conquer -

Top class centre defender / Laporte, Rugani mould
Putting a name out there / Granit Xhana for a midfielder
And a striker who can find the back of the net / I genuinely would not care if we get Ibra on a free as he has proved he can score also give Welbeck more of a chance, today he showed that he has the ability, he cares and he was our player most likely to score.

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28 Feb 2016 19:04:21
Well Wenger has openlt admitted he doesn't like bringing in more than 3 or 4 players, Rosicky, Flamini and Arteta have to go. or do they? But if they do them that's 3 of the 3 Wengers brings in, doesn't leave much room for improvement does it.

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28 Feb 2016 19:18:29
A Proper commanding leader of CB is needed and reliable striker for sure and an RM and experienced DM for me. The main issue though is Wenger and his complacent sometimes arrogant attitude feeding down to the players and until he goes the mentality of real winners will NOT be present in the squad to take the next step.

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28 Feb 2016 18:36:27
I got vilified last time i sad this but i doubt it this time. When the going gets tough the tough geg going. That doesn't apply to this team/ club.

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28 Feb 2016 18:40:02
Geg geg, get bloody prodictive text.

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28 Feb 2016 18:55:20
Don't worry Steve,
The bloke who invented predictive text died a few weeks ago.

His funfair will be held on Saturn.

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{Ed025's Note - i like that dags..

28 Feb 2016 19:22:07
Thats really fanny dags.

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28 Feb 2016 17:48:50
I can take defeat, what I can't take is Wengers pathetic excuses. Making excuses let's our player off the hook and let's them shirk responsibility for the lack of desire and passion missing in each of them, Sanchez being the only one who doesn't fall into that category. I find it strange that these players are quite happy to be also-rans when a title is up for grabs . It's time to shake them up. No more b. s in media, ship up or ship out tine for the majority. Too comfortable and cosy at the club.

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28 Feb 2016 18:05:21
Exactly, although You can't really name and crucify individuals in public he should be showing more anger in the teams performance as a whole. He should say too many players hid today and did not show the required desire, there was a lack of leadership and communication at the back and there was no drive and energy from the midfield going forward.

These are the sort of things he should be saying not making wolly excuses for the players all the time letting them off the hook. He needs to show more balls and start dropping underperforming players and I include the likes of Sanchez in that, no player should feel he is garaunteed a starting place.

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{Ed025's Note - good point that ryan..

28 Feb 2016 18:09:48
Today we were beaten by a team of youths and players i perceive not good enough for arsenal, by a manager ridiculed (unscrupulously by press ) because he was taking man u backwards who were without many first team players. We had a very strong side out. There are NO excuses, just truths and the truth is we are not that good ourselves and we still are the same unit we was before. Two games on the trot when we go two goals behind, now where have we seen that before.

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28 Feb 2016 18:39:13
You expect to go two goals behind against Barcelona though, I have NO problem with that, we were NEVER EVER going to knock Barcelona out and the odds were and still are in favour of us losing both games.

I had a feelig today we wouldn't win, I thought a draw was about the best we could get mainly because no one gave UTD a chance and Giggsy would have got them fired up, plus we haven't played well for weeks and weeks . a heads up. please don't think 4th is a given, Chelsea, yes Chelsea and Man U aren't that far behind.

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28 Feb 2016 20:58:37
wenger is too nice to underperforming player. walcott and ramsey both had stinkers. Should have substituted them immediately after the two goals just to teach them lesson. This is arsenal and we fans can't take this mediocrity any more. If wenger has any respect for us He should walk away at the end of the season if we don't win the title.

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28 Feb 2016 17:39:23
This is a post in response to Steve's post. Purely because I am one of those people it's aimed at, I'm happy to explain myself. I've always been Wenger in, and on the fence at worst (Nasri and RVP decisions) . Most of that is due to a) what he achieved in titles and cups in his first period b) I recognise that he guided the club through poor finances and a stadium build while keeping us in the champions league c) I like the way, on the whole he likes football played, for the purists like myself. The beautiful game. d) I like the arsenal teams he built/ He built half the invincibles, he built two or three teams since and brought well on the whole - he takes unknown players and made them greats. Unfortunately we have always skirted the title in the last decade but never managed it. City and Chelsea bought the title, Utd had Fergie, we had to sell our players. There was always good reason to think circumstances were the issue. I still think when Wenger is gone people will see it differently. I doubt we'll ever have another decade or two of club stability like we have had. But, I'm not scared to say he can go, everything comes to an end. But I still appreciate what he has done for the club. It's called respect. Every man has his flawed, Wengers are his stubbornness, his Wengervision, his complete belief you don't set up in opposition; his bizarre belief that you can win the title without a 20-25 goal striker. But, when his teams played well, we have played the best football in the league. SO when Wnegerouts# come on here and make out he is clueless - it's crap. He's not. Just maybe not good enough anymore. 12 games to go, he needs to win them all.

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{Ed025's Note - cracking post that baggins..

28 Feb 2016 18:04:14
Top post Baggins,
I'm pretty much in the same camp as you, although my patience is blowing in the wind.

It's easy to blame Wenger, but the team he put out is pretty much our strongest team, with strong options on the bench.

Blame Wenger yes, but the players are more to blame.
None of them, and I make no exception, wear the shirt with pride, the way Dixon, Keown, Winterburn and Adams did.

When things go wrong, these players just put their hands down and stroll to the centre circle.

Players, like the above, use to shout and scream at each other.
They were leaders, we have no such players in this team.

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28 Feb 2016 18:24:36
I think money has killed the kind of game you mean though Dags. These guys are all millionaires, its about money, 'professionalism' slefishness, not selflessness; not about heart and soul. You are right though, what I would do for an adams or viera right now. Our players now are just like metrosexual submissives:) . Anyway, it's the worst we've played all year, Wenger should have made that clear. We were dreadful.

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28 Feb 2016 18:29:53
I was not having a pop at you ozil, i have always repected opinion, it was the people who personally called me stupid names and slagged my opinion instead of debating it. You are not in that camp. I respect opinion whatever, i just don't think your opinion should be made personal. My opinion is my opinion and i know that's all it is, opinion and nothing else.

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{Ed025's Note - and thats fair enough steve..

28 Feb 2016 18:30:26
Good post by the way.

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28 Feb 2016 18:33:24
Like you say Dagenham gunner Players like Dixon and Adams Etc. were reflective of the fans and every defeat really hurt them and their pride and were determined to put things right in the next game.

You just don't see that in many of the current players, they will all be happy joking around in training tomorrow like they give the impression at least they don't care. They have it too easy and Wenger needs to get tough and start dropping underperforming so called star players.

Yes every player can suffer lose of form and confidence but real winners don't hide their damn make sure they work their socks off and battle themselves back into form.

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28 Feb 2016 18:52:46
United fan here, I'm wondering how arsenal fans can still back wenger, the guy hasn't been good enough for years and getting rid of him at the end of last season would of been your best option when the likes of klopp and pep were available. This guy is meant to be great at developing young players yet hasn't really developed any significant player in years. Whilst wenger is in charge you won't win the league, your squad is a decent squad and with a couple of additions could be a great squad.

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28 Feb 2016 18:57:08
Ryan P you are right, Steve cheers mate, as you say, its opinion and it's close to the heart for us all and therefore painful. I do agree something has to change.

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28 Feb 2016 19:08:47
Very good post, you are right he has lost his way and you are right when he has gone we might regret comments but as you rightly say things come to an end. ask Man U .

A man at Chelsea would be available.

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28 Feb 2016 19:09:41
Sred there's not many left. I've been dying for a change for 4 years or so. But Stan has to go to.

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28 Feb 2016 19:24:43
Banbury maureens going to man u. Lol.

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{Ed025's Note - he may have meant hiddink steve..

28 Feb 2016 19:43:11
I do ED

Steve's been in hibernation for 4 months lol.

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{Ed025's Note - hes now known as..steve the hedgehog BG.. :)

28 Feb 2016 20:55:25
I know who you meant that's why i put lol. I want a younger manager, the games for young managers now, the best managers in the top 10 in europe are mostly 40ish.

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28 Feb 2016 17:35:56
Even the pessismist that is me did not expect us to lose to united reserves. If you can't beat united reserves then you do not deserve to be a champion. And this game shows how much we miss santi cazorla one of the few players who turns up in big games. The so called english core is just a bunch of overrated players. the only english player who is a complete footballer in our team is wilshere and he is always crocked. ramsey is a poor player i am baffled why guys here rate him. no close control, poor first touch, misplaces passes always only thing he offers is hardwork. walcott can't dribble, doesn't chase back always and just runs headlessly. This guys will not win us the title. wenger should have substituted him immediately after the first goal just to show him that he needs to put in a hundred percent effort but instead he leaves him on just one of the reasons why wenger should go. He tolerates mediocrity. i am sure even i even read his post match thoughts that he will say that the players were tired from the Barcelona game. excuses after excuses. i have no idea why the arsenal board did not go for guardiola he surely would not have have tolerated this mediocrity the likes of walcott serve us on daily basis. This was our best chance to win the league but we somehow bottled it. rant over!

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{Ed025's Note - nice rant though punani

28 Feb 2016 17:48:37
Why didn't the board go for pep? Because pep has ambitions and this boards ambitions are not winning titles.

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28 Feb 2016 17:51:56
To many players hiding looking for excuses/ passing the buck so to speak, where does that come from Wenger ofcourse. Too many players in the comfort zone with top doller contracts without them being justified. There is not enough pressure to perform and Wenger has not got the balls to drop under performing players. He can't/ does not know how to manage big name players with ego if you like that is why is so reluctant to buy them.

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28 Feb 2016 17:53:09
If we win all our last 11 games we can still make the 84 point mark that it usually takes to win the premier league title :-)
No OK how about we win 8 of our last 11 and equal the lowest ever points total of a premier league title winning team of 75 points?
Still not convinced, in that case let's rewrite the record books completely and set a new all time low for a premier league champions.

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28 Feb 2016 18:11:44
one could argue that Wenger only did so well with his first few years because these were a lot of GG's players. tough, responsible, ready to scrap for each other. we have NO players like this bar maybe a few.

The balance is waaaay way way off but steve you're so spot on mate. pep brings ambition and wenger is a yes man.

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28 Feb 2016 21:04:36
Had to rant ED apparently you have to do that a lot if you are an arsenal fan. makes the chances of you suddenly dropping from a heart attack less likely. Got to let the steam out. This arsenal team is capable of such shocking performances which is why i think we won't win the league this season. I'd prefer a limping cazorla to some of the players who were playing today. who noticed we create less chances since cazorla got injured?

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{Ed025's Note - today was a lack of effort more than anything punani, well thats what it looked like to me mate..

28 Feb 2016 17:38:05
When is Santi back.

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28 Feb 2016 17:53:13
Massive Miss. I am seriously worried though next season weather we can keep these types of players at the Club.

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28 Feb 2016 17:34:09
We need to win our remaining games in order to have any chance but I just can't see it happening. fighting for our 4th place trophy as usual.

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28 Feb 2016 17:34:09
We need to win our remaining games in order to have any chance but I just can't see it happening. fighting for our 4th place trophy as usual.

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28 Feb 2016 17:19:23
Been a fan for over 40 years home mostly, now living in Scotland it still doesn't get easier but a few players Walcott ox Sanchez Ramsey and bellerin need to get there finger out. performances have been dropping off from all these when we need to finish strongly we will never have a better chance to do a double again. is the manager strong enough or clinical enough to deliver.

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28 Feb 2016 17:09:34
ok title bid is hanging by a thread and will be dead in 7 days unless we beat Spurs and Swansea and Leicester drop some points. Time for Wenger to earn his corn and the players to wake

Not blaming it all on one person or one game as the problem is deeper than that. Just heard Wenger say that Man Utd spent more than us but he didn't explain why. They must have found players to spend money on so why can't he?

That points to problems at the very top. Kroenke only wants £££££££s not trophies so until he goes and we have a hierarchy that wants trophies rather than cash this is our existence.

Usmanov has to be given a chance now. Kroenke is the problem as he directs the focus of everything
Get an owner who puts cash after winning and get back to being The Arsenal.

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28 Feb 2016 17:24:50
This was the first real test of closing down Leicester after beating them and we failed miserably.

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28 Feb 2016 17:30:01
Steve it's not the first but it's nearly the last chance. We've failed on almost every opportunity.

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28 Feb 2016 17:37:48
Sooper yes i know what you mean, i meant after beating them and then the push., that didn't materialise.

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28 Feb 2016 17:35:52
The thing I don't understand about money mad Kronke is why he decided to give Jack and Theo big pay rises and Artteta and Rosicky new deals on millions a year wages! Or why the club keep coming out and saying the money is there we can buy anyone but Ranaldo and Messi yet never both to tell Arsene.
Personally I don't think Kronke and the board are our biggest obstacle that's stopping us going forward, a cosy club mentality where far to many get rewarded far to well for contributing far to little season after season is a much bigger problem right now.

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28 Feb 2016 17:07:40
Another worldie from the defender that's twice as good as smalling today red dog :)

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28 Feb 2016 17:55:12
Haha CTR naughty that lol.

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28 Feb 2016 17:03:28
As I have said for at least two years now if not three:
Wenger Out.
Where are you now Wengerism, and all the repeat-happy Wenger apologists?

Same old, same old.
Every season.
Every season.

Board Out, Wenger Out, entire midfield out (except Coquelin, Ramsey, Ozil, Sanchez) , entire strike force out.

Buy and buy big: Greizeman (£40m) , Xhaka (£40m) , Aubeyemang (£50m) , Krychowiak (£25m) , Laporte (£25m) , Calhanoglu (£30m) , Rodriguez from Wolfsburg (£20m) , Embolo (£20m) from Basle.
£40m, £40m, £50m, £25m £25m, £30m, £20m, £20m for each. Who cares? we have the £230m there and if we manage to flog the rest of the under-achieving half wits for £100m, what's a net £130m these days?

Of course I'll get slated as negative, unrealistic and "but who would you have instead of "le Prof" thrown at me?
My Mum could do a more inventive job these days and she's 86.

It's revolution we need, not more flippin non-existant evolution.

Max Fed Up Farnham.

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{Ed025's Note - i vote max for manager.. :)

28 Feb 2016 17:00:23
Wenger says the desire was there, what game was that then.

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{Ed025's Note - certainly not todays BG..

28 Feb 2016 17:12:03
If you keep do exactly the same thing over and over again the chances are you will continue to get the same results, sometimes players lose their edge IMO we are a club that has lost its competitive edge.
From board to manager to players to fans we have celebrated and congratulated our self's far to much for being above average for over a decade now.

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28 Feb 2016 16:46:33
This season is going just the way some of us suggested it would and got vilified. I get no pleasure at all in saying to those. i'm right you are wrong. If wenger stays it will happen again and it will only get worse not better and if kronke is our owner, it will be arsenal the business not arsenal the football team. we can knock all the players but i think the manager confuses them because eventually they all under perform.

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28 Feb 2016 16:58:23
Who do you want as the manager Steve?

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28 Feb 2016 17:01:54
There are many that were SO wrong. just can't find them at the minute Steve.

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28 Feb 2016 17:06:15
Comfort zone for players and manager. walcott the ox and Ramsey and wilshere sort your first touch out its no surprise your injured so much stretching for balls or letting in opponents to foul you get back to the basics it is not that difficult. stop putting out tweets get your head down we don't want to finish behind anyone this year let alone Spurs.

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28 Feb 2016 16:42:03
To say it was disappointing today is an understatement. The season is more or less over. I'm one of the Wenger-in brigade, but if he's made to leave this season, we'll only have to accept it. But whatever happens, I think Walcott shouldn't start for us again this season. He simply isn't good enough. He wasn't going to start this game if the Ox wasn't injured. I don't see any improvement in him for the last 10 years and is simply not good enough. Probably started because of his performance against United at the Emirates last time.
A proper RW, a CM who can compete with Cazorla and Wilshere, and not just a backup, and also CB, any one of Stones/ Rugani/ Laporte is badly needed, otherwise we won't be good enough next season again. that is hoping that none of the others leave.
Outs= Walcott, Flamini, Rosicky.
Move Arteta up for a coaching role before Pep Guardiola poaches him.
Also poor attitude with Chambers, smiling and chatting away with Luke Shaw as if the result doesn't matter.

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28 Feb 2016 16:56:40
Why on earth would we want to keep arteta as a coach, if pep wants him he can have him and if arteta is that good or going to be that good, he won't stop at a team that is going nowhere. If any old players should be coaches, then bergy, pirez in fact anyone except arteta who hasn't played or won anything at a high level.

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28 Feb 2016 17:15:49
Wenger has to go but the board simply do not have the balls and will do make that decision and take the risk
to improve our standing. This complacent and stale attitude has feed down into the longer standing players so
they play with such a attitude. To many fair weather players that only play when everything is well and rosy
when the pressure and form dips to many players go into hiding instead of battling their way back into form. Not
enough leaders on the pitch not enough communication and fight.

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29 Feb 2016 03:46:03
Because of his experience, both here and in Spain. He's well respect because of his knowledge of the game. He's equally experienced in both the Spanish and English game and also came through the La Masia as well. And I'm not saying he should take over from Wenger.

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28 Feb 2016 16:41:24
We will NEVER win the league again under Arsene Wenger! Simple as. Every team under the sun has worked out his style of play and even someone as incompetent as LVG can set up his side to have an easy time against us. The attitude we went out with was shocking, no leaders on the pitch other than Cech, no discipline, no urgency, no drive or ambition. United clearly wanted that win more than we did. Why change the style of football to something more effective and then go back to all this tiki taka nonsense which clearly doesn't work. Everyone takes a touch to many, everyone is afraid to shoot and take responsibility because they're all trying to score the prefect team goal. Enough pissing about! Just shoot! Wenger is the ruination of this club, dated methods and tactics, too proud and stubborn to make any real permanent changes and doesn't have a ruthless bone in his geriatric old body. What's worse, Tottenham look likely to finish above us this season, and may even win the league, and Wenger's position still looks to be safe until 2019! No manager should be safe under these circumstances, no manager should have as much power and influence at a club like Wenger does at Arsenal. The board need to grow a pair and tell him where to go. Its not right!

If Barcelona still want Ramsey for £50 million in the summer then they can bloody have him! I've always been a fan of his but he's done nothing positive this season, he'll never recapture his from from seasons past, and he's really showing how much we miss Jack.

Coquelin showed today that he isn't the answer. He was all over the place today. No discipline, not even close to being behind the ball for any of the goals, he's not world class, he's not going to be world class, he's not what we need.

Sanchez has really gone off the boil this season, can't say much more about him. Lad needs to pull his finger out.

Koscielny showed us today that he isn't world class, his positioning was the worst I've ever seen from him and he could have done so much more to prevent the first two goals.

Did Walcott even play today? Felt like we started the game with ten men.

We're an average side struggling to even score or defend in an average league, if city and Chelsea were up to par this season we'd be fighting for a Europa League spot. Massive changes are needed at this club and in the squad. Three wins out of our last eight league games and we're supposed to be favourites to win the title? Please.

We'll be lucky to finish third at this rate.

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28 Feb 2016 16:50:41
There will still be people who can't see wengers problems and we will have the same next year, wash rinse repeat.

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{Ed025's Note - i think its the players who let the club down today steve, that side was good enough to beat that poor utd team but they never came to the party, sometimes its easier to just blame the manager but for me mate the players have to look at themselves and ask if they really gave 100%..

28 Feb 2016 16:59:46
Like you say the Teams complacent and lazy attitude is and has been fuelled by Wenger and the board above him not
putting Wenger under any pressure. Wenger is far to loyal and trustworthy to players that constantly have just not
performed to prove they have what it takes to be winners. They get rewarded for medoricraty in extending their contracts and Wenger has not got the balls to shake things up and drop underperforming players.

No player should be guranteed of a starting place but you know some players will always start no matter
what this breed complacency and why other players not given the chance will leave.

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28 Feb 2016 17:04:46
And ask yourself why Sanchez went off the boil.

Wenger played him knowing he was injured, he then had a long break and hasn't recovered.

Some clown on here told me I didn't know what I was talking about and that Wenger knew what he was doing

Oh ok.

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28 Feb 2016 16:36:19
Were only 7 points infront of Man U.

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28 Feb 2016 16:24:15
Shocking performance from too many players today. Walcott did absolutly nothing all game Sanchez not much better Ozil odd moments but again largely anonymous.

Wellbeck forward wise was the only one that showed real desire and energy.

Ramsey dithered an dallied on the ball did not get forward much and The Back 4 are just too frail and don't communicate enough, just no leadership back there.

You can't expect to win even against a poor Utd side with so many so called big players missing.

To be honest on from both Walcott, Sanchez and Ramsey need to be dropped But Wenger has not got the balls.

We need commanding Leader of CB and a proper goal poacher, But I seriously Doubt Wenger and the board have the will to do that and weather we can attract such players at present.

For me Wenger needs to go as he has created a atmosphere of lethergy and laziness with a lot of the players that feeds into games. He is far to loyal with underperforming players and too many have it too easy at the club.

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28 Feb 2016 16:24:00
I see we are picking out scapegoats again. It is about individuals but more importantly its about the team, the manager and the club. People on here defend wenger and i'm telling youvyoucare wrong. Look at the shape of the team today, or lack of. As a coach he is dire and as a manager he is embarrassing now. This club in its present set up is going nowhere, i repeat nowhere.

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28 Feb 2016 16:33:38
Hit the nail on the head Steve. From the top down needs replacing, Kroenke and Wenger both need to be replaced. In your opinion who replaces Wenger?

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28 Feb 2016 16:22:46
Hello lads I mustt admit I have had better Sundays but to put it in a nutshell there are quite a few players who clearly are not good enough but the main problem is AW is definately pass his sell by date and the only way for our club to move forward to the next level is a new manager and with proper investment in new players. We cannot carrying on in this way and even with the 2 FA CUP wins we are a team of big game bottlers. To brutally honest apart from 4or 5 players the rest are shite. The worrying thing is there is no immenint change on the horizon and we are stuck with a manager who blames everyone and everything but should take a long hard look at his own shortcomings as a manager of our club. I have supported this club for 52 years and no manager has pissed me off as much as he does.
Now I got that off my chest and I got a terrible feeling I be doing the same thing next Saturday I off to eat me Sunday roast.

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28 Feb 2016 16:39:34
I just hope a few more see the obvious hey.

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28 Feb 2016 16:19:42
Disgraceful performance from possibly the most over hyped team in English football.

Ozil and Welbeck did OK but the rest were absolutely useless.

Unless Sanchez plays a worldie, we lose.

Ramsey and Walcott should hang their heads in shame and as per usual, we crumble every time the opposition attack.

This team has no bottle at all and not a single leader on the pitch.

I don't care how many games are left, we have no chance whatsoever of winning the league.

We are a cup team, so let's hope we win FA Cup and finish in top 4.

Absolute shambles.

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{Ed004's Note - I'm not on here to brag or wind anyone up. But that's the worst I've seen Arsenal play in years. Was really shocked and still am in shock after that game}

28 Feb 2016 16:27:13
As I said much earlier, no PL game is a given, many on here were wondering how many we would score, watched Wengers teams too long, we are getting weaker and weaker by the year .

He wants pretty footballers but they don't win the ugly games when a fight is needed

Same old same old yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

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28 Feb 2016 16:28:38
That the thing when your are off form as player the least you can do is work your damn socks off and battle you way back into form, but to many players at this cub do not do this. Too many hiders not enough leaders. Walcott was just shocking today and yet Arsenal gave him bumper contract, why far too much loyalty to underperforming players has breed a air of complancency and laziness.

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28 Feb 2016 16:41:30
Dags welcome to the realism club.

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28 Feb 2016 16:43:39
Ed004,

To be fair, and it's always good to be humble in defeat, I thought your boys were terrific today.

Best I have seen you all season.
Carrick, despite his age, used his experience and Rashford was simply superb and took his chances very well.

Disappointed with our performance but take my hat off to United's game plan and the way they implemented it.

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{Ed004's Note - I was impressed with our midfield today Memphis looked like a different player this past week and Mata + Herrera were brilliant. I thought you's got your tactics wrong. Varela got booked very early yet Sanchez never ran at him. Rojo was back from 3 months out and didn't look fit yet you had welbeck out right instead of Walcott or Campbell to take him on and lastly we had two small and weak centre backs and you benched Giroud.}

28 Feb 2016 17:33:37
Absolutely agree Ed.

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28 Feb 2016 16:42:05
Will Wenger ever win the title again dags?

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28 Feb 2016 16:11:38
soo disappointing today, no passion, no creativity, Ramsey should be dropped as he hasn't played a decent game in a long time and were massively missing santi in the middle, monreal for me is caught out far to often and really should have taken his chance on his right foot first time, could have been a totally different game had he scored. Final though for me Walcott should be given a new number, doesn't deserve to wear 14,he couldn't lace the kings boots. offers nothing and hides, as far as i can remember his only contribution was loosing the ball just outside the box for man utd's first goal.

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28 Feb 2016 16:09:18
I bet krokes crying in his bollinger.

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28 Feb 2016 16:45:07
Bollinger probably describes our performance today.

A load of Bollinger.

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28 Feb 2016 16:07:08
Ed,

What are the prospects of a managerial change this summer?

Thanks.

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28 Feb 2016 16:33:30
Wenger will not resign and he will not be sacked so no chance I fear we will suffer for a few more years in slow decline until he leaves. We ill be left behind next season for sure without serious investment in the squad.

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28 Feb 2016 15:59:26
Players to come away with credit today are Welbeck and Özil.

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28 Feb 2016 15:58:13
Don't know what's up with Sanchez lately or even this season come to that.
Ramsey isn't worth a toss in my opinion.
Very very poor today really embarrassing.
Any suggestions?

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28 Feb 2016 16:40:17
Give Elneny a shot and drop Ramsey, and drop Sanzhez for a few games for Campbell. Have some balls Wenger and show you not afraid to drop underperforming players and this might make them up there game. Nobody should be garunteed a place in the 1st team other wise you get complacency, this is why you have strong squad to create pressure on players to perform.

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28 Feb 2016 15:55:44
I'm actually at a loss for words as to describe this result. I've always been pro Wenger but surely he can't stay after this season. not angry just disappointed if I'm honest.

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28 Feb 2016 16:04:58
Makes next week massive for you lot! We win and it's curtains for you lot!

Shocking result today considering the 'best' team you could play playing, and United with make shift team.

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28 Feb 2016 16:06:29
How's does Walcott justify picking up his wages he is beyond rubbish so what if his fast he does nothing else? Just shocking team at moment where are the battlers no bottle and be lucky to get our 4th place trophy at this rate.

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28 Feb 2016 16:09:58
We were so, so poor today. Like 11 players who'd never met before. Ramsay is driving me bonkers the amount he mispasses, loses or gives the ball away. But Wenger is ultimately to blame. No striker, no 20-25 person which puts us as a top four team only. So annoyed right now.

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28 Feb 2016 16:18:38
Walcott was head and shoulders above anyone else as the worst player on the pitch, 11 or 12 years is a lifetime in football and he hasn't come close to fulfilling the potential he showed at 16. We need to forget winning the league and concentrate on finishing 3rd to avoid the qualification round of the CL, it kills me to say it but our title push is over for another season and it is now a two horse race between Leicester and Tottenham. It kills me even more to say my money is on spurs to win the EPL outright as they have the momentum and hunger to push on, two things we are severely lacking at this point. Wenger has to go at the end of the season but who to bring in is the ultimate question, who'd be a football fan eh?

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28 Feb 2016 14:35:48
1 down

As I said earlier don't be surprised if its a draw. now i'm hoping its a draw.

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28 Feb 2016 14:40:39
We really are complete rubbish. An embarrassment. We are the ultimate bottlers, every f ing time. Sort it out!

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28 Feb 2016 13:10:26
Got to say for me this is a huge step forward as far as the team is concerned. The team could cause mayhem. This is close to our best available team, if we don't win today we never will. i'm hopefull.

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28 Feb 2016 13:41:10
Yeah Steve, but this is Arsenal mate.

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28 Feb 2016 13:42:19
Much more optimistic seeing today's team prefer Campbell on the right to Theo but you can't have it all :-)

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28 Feb 2016 13:44:23
I hope you're right mate. If we can't beat this Manchester United team with Memphis, Mata, Linguard and Rashford as a lone striker, we don't deserve the title. We simply must win this game, anything else is not going to be good enough.

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28 Feb 2016 13:50:23
Agree with g62, time for Theo to step up n grasp the game for once.

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28 Feb 2016 14:01:04
agree ozil. why not play this front three tues. let's hope they fire.

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28 Feb 2016 14:01:40
Its finally a tough message to send out to those who are not performing well enough which is why I feel Campbell should play well ahead of Theo. i'm fully aware Theo could score the goals that win the game but equally he could be baggage for the team to have to carry where Joel always puts in a shift no matter what.

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Cech Joined Arsenal Because Of Wenger, Zidane Gives Up On La Liga Trophy, Lescott Has A New Car And More

28 Feb 2016 13:08:35
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28 Feb 2016
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28 Feb 2016 12:47:29
Lads I've haven't felt like this since rhyme and reason won the grand national
Do yourselves a favour and get on
arsenal 4 maybe 5 utd 1
Big olly for the first (pen)
at 4 o'clock you lot will be thinking I wonder how much he won.

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28 Feb 2016 12:55:35
Dont do it, get yourself to hospital straight away you have an illness coming on. Get somebody to take you and quick. Or lay off the whacky bachy.

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28 Feb 2016 13:24:13
Just seen lineups and i'm begining to believe this coild could be pay back for the 8-2.

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28 Feb 2016 11:18:24
Since beating man city we've played 9 PL games taken 13 points scored 10 and conceeded 9.
A return to top form needs to start soon me thinks.

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28 Feb 2016 11:38:51
I just hope giroud is benched today, he's been a big factor in that.

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28 Feb 2016 12:41:42
I hope he starts Steve, today I think he will be a big player I hope Sanchez can find his shooting boots.

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28 Feb 2016 11:12:24
I think it's going to be a squeaky bum 2-1 to us.

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28 Feb 2016 11:27:20
Hope I'm wrong but, never mind I'm usually wrong so Com'on the Arsenal.

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28 Feb 2016 08:50:32
Well with lucky Leicester getting a win I think we have to win today.
I'm starting to regret saying that they won't be in the top four.
Utd are at a low, with infighting, injuries.
Today is time for us to Rip them apart.
I'm hopping Swansea might sneak a draw.
I think we will get at least 4.
Real confident
Having a bet on arsenal to score 4 and city to score 4 too.
Nice little double
4 well supported teams in my local little welsh village, so all the lads are making a day of it.
Im hopping to leave a proud man, if not a little worse for wear.
So raise your glass for INIALATION DAY.

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28 Feb 2016 09:00:07
Have a great day Welsh mate may the FOURce be with you :-)

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28 Feb 2016 09:41:34
Put it this way when we have been in the possition that United are in now (fighting for CL places) and united fighting for the tittle they beat us and that's what we need to do today. I would not be looking at the form guide because it has never had a real bearing on our results against them in the past. A champion would win at OT today so let's see.

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28 Feb 2016 09:55:04
Its deffinately a should win game.

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28 Feb 2016 10:06:55
Not sure why its lucky Leicester, no different to us winning late on against the foxes.

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28 Feb 2016 10:38:18
Wouldn't say lucky Leicester and as for us scoring 4?

What you smoking over there in Wales? :-)

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28 Feb 2016 10:38:18
Wouldn't say lucky Leicester and as for us scoring 4?

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28 Feb 2016 10:43:34
Must admit Banbury I thought the same but Welsh seems on such a high I was going to let it slide :-)
I doubt there has ever been champions who didn't win points late on in games along the way including the invincibles.

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28 Feb 2016 11:26:08
Listen Leicester are in it to win it.

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28 Feb 2016 05:14:02
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