Arsenal Banter Archive June 28 2013

28 Jun 2013 23:32:24
Evening Gooners. I'm a Rangers supporter, but just on to get an opinion from you guys on Jack Wilshere. Now, I am a MASSIVE fan of him. For me he has everything to go on and be one of the great midfielders in the history of English football, if not European football. He is that good. I was at the Emirates Cup in 2009 and he ripped us to shreds when we had good, experienced players like Pedro Mendes & Kevin Thomson falling over each other trying to stop him!

I think the fact that he has been so important to your team for a few years now, despite still being in his early 20's, speaks volumes. Every so often a player comes along who is so good that he just has to play no matter how young or inexperienced and they just take to it like a duck to water and don't look back, and Jack is one of those players. He is the most gifted footballer England have produced since Wayne Rooney and you are very lucky to have him. If he can get fit, stay fit and stay loyal to Arsenal then he could go on to become one of your greatest ever players in my opinion. He and Phil Jones are the future of English football.

However, do any of you fear his injury problems aren't going to go away? I know he ended up playing a fair few games last season, but to me he always looks like it's a matter of time before he has another long lay off. I fear his injury problems will continue and he won't fulfill his potential which would be a disaster for someone as talented as he is. I'm not an Arsenal fan or anything, Man United are my English team actually lol, but for the sake of football as a whole I hope my fears don't come true.

Thoughts?

GRD

I think that's every Arsenal fans fear. I'm not saying this because united are your English team, but I remember a few months back when Wilshere was out, and some united fans were trying to compare Wilshere and Cleverly some even said Cleverly was better and Jack was overrated. He really isn't. He really is a special player.
A season injury free and the unconverted soon will be.
And if England qualify for the world cup, Jack will be the only Englishman worth watching.
Flybo

Awesome player, just think he will be injured for most of his career due to the way he runs almost on sides of his feet. Don't want to be negative and hope I am proven wrong but don't think he will become best in world due to being too injury prone

Strange all this talk of Gourcuff. The manager of Lyon has stated that no-one has showed any interest in him (also that he was a player who didn't figure in the clubs future,, ergo he was available)

29 Jun 2013 20:09:15
@flybo;

i didn't personally hear anyone make that comparison, but if true then it is ridiculous. cleverley gets a lot of stick from sections of the united support, but while I do think he is a decent player with potential to improve, he is nowhere near the level of wilshere. they are completely different players for a start. I love watching wilshere play, I think he would get a game for any team in world football. I have said for quite some time now that outside ronaldo, wilshere would be my dream signing for united. I think he's a bit unrealistic as my dream rangers signing lol. although I know he follows rangers, so maybe when he's in his 40's eh!

grd

28 Jun 2013 22:45:28
We aren't going to sign higuain are we lads? ; (

Wolvo gooner

29 Jun 2013 19:40:53
I am worried as well, but don't lose the faith buddy. Am sure we are so close to it happening

28 Jun 2013 22:34:17
Seen a few rumours about Di Maria. maybe this is the reason for the delay in the Higuain deal, as we try to strike a double deal?. just a little thought

Project Arsenel

I really hope so

28 Jun 2013 21:47:07
Not a rumour but possibly related (tenously) Does anyone know if slaughter and law handle incoming as well as outgoing transfers? Reason I ask is had a lunch today with 2 sports associates who wouldn't tell me anything at all useful other than they're very busy, in a manner that can only be described as the cat that got the cream. I did press quite hard but they wouldn't offer anything. So wondered if their obvious smug mode relates to the possibility of someone coming in? Obviously, I'm adding 2&2 = a super super player coming in as that's what I want it to be so would welcome any steer on exactly what they do for the club? Tried googling but it's not very helpful.

CC

To the best of my knowledge they deal with all contracts at the club, regardless?

So to sum up, you got the impression that they are "busy" and are possibly hiding something exciting? let's hope so!

29 Jun 2013 08:11:46
Done all the work on the move from Highbury to Emirates. one of the main partners, in fact the most influential lawyer is a season ticket holder. Can't remember his name. I think these two guys are trying to make them self sound like they are in the no. Arsenal have always kept the deals quite. it's the third party agents that open their mouths. A friend of mine knows Neil Banfield very well, but Banfield doesn't say a thing. Carl jenkinson is presenting my sons Football team with their end if season awards tomorrow, but bet he won't know, or say a word. Years ago I was told Sol Campbell was going to sign for us. I didn't believe him. but it Happend. Not one person or newspaper carried that story. It must of come from Sky Andrew. The first any knew was when he was unvailed at the training ground with some other players. That's when Dein was at the club, he do e that deal as well as Bergkamp, platt, Overmars. That's what we lack know. time will tell, and this transfer window will tell a real story if it was Wenger or lack of money in the last few years. km

28 Jun 2013 19:30:07
anyone else think we should just keep szczesny for next season and spend big on a new centre back to replace mertesacker?

yes szczesny has his faults but what's the point in playing him these last 2 seasons as first choice to then demote him, only to have him back as first choice in a season or 2? I agree that he can be overconfident to the detriment of the team but I also like that about him. the rest of the team could be said to not inspire confidence so I reckon he is a good counterbalance to that. only going to improve. plus, look at de gea, first choice for united at a similar age.

and for all the mertesacker fans out there, I like him too. he has been very good for us this season (mostly) and i'm happy that he looks to be first choice next season too. just think he is not the best we could get. from the money we would save from not buying a goalie we might get a top quality defender to partner koscielny.

also want to see jenkinson starting over sagna next season

Hamilton

(was posting as Paul before but someone else posts as that)

Did you watch last season? Replacing Mertesacker is tactical suicide. Perhaps there are better defenders out there, but he and Koscielny are solid, and there is no guarantee that another player would fit into our system so perfectly.

Huge Per fan

Adds height and experience

Needs to play with the right partner - Kos.

SY4

28 Jun 2013 17:14:00
Best arsenal signing this summer? The forrestry commision! Deadwood well and truely being chopped down at emirates. Arshavin, schilachi, djouru, bentner, mannoni denilson all but gone. Park, chamack, fabianski, diaby to follow soon hopefully. Let the new breed come in soon! Strong rumours for aureir, felleini, reina, higuin and rooney! Happy days gooners kb888

You can add Santos and Gervinho and we have a full house

28 Jun 2013 16:15:43
So Vito Mannone is apparently being shipped off to Sunderland. Fabianski's contract, if I am correct (and i'm not 100%) was due to expire this month and there are suggestions Szczesny needs a mentor and competition.

Cesar has seemingly gone off the radar with Roma sniffing around and the player himself showing interest in moving back to Italy.

I for one, just wonder WHO Wenger is looking at in the goalkeeping department?

I would love Begovic but feel Stoke will price him out of a move. Mignolet has already been signed by the Scousers.

Anyone got any premier league keepers they would like?

I think its all set up for Reina. But would be happy with Reina, Begovic or Handonovic

Really? I think Begavic will move. Stoke signed Butler last window and Butler only moved on the premise of first team football.

Sally

28 Jun 2013 18:31:11
i wouldn't even mind Pantillimon from city

I think it'll be someone that hasn't been mentioned this window.

Mandanda
Frey
Handanovic
Landreau (free agent)
Schwarzer (free agent)

Then there's the options who have been mentioned. I just don't think we'll sign any of these guys if I'm honest.

Cesar
Adler
Valdes
Reina
Begovic

One guy I'd like us to go for is Igor Akinfeev.

Ben Foster anyone?. he has prem league experiance, young and fits in with the english boys of Jack, Theo, Ox, Jenko and maybe Rooney. Devongooner / / / red army, red army!

Szczesny is young. At the age of 30, Ben Foster is not young.

No real problem with szczesny think could be one of the best, foster would be good as just competition don't believe will help getting new no1 as given regular football szczesny will only get better p. s u (-devon gooner which bit, near Exeter myself)

28 Jun 2013 14:45:47
After Arshavin, D'Jourou and Bendtner and Campbell last season, we already seem far down the same line with D'Jourou again, Gervinho, and possibly Campbell for the 3rd year, with Park and Chamakh waiting in the wings for later this window.
It's the dreaded loan system, so beloved by all at the Emirates. We, Arsenal, continue to pay the wages and possibly collect a fee, but a permanent transfer never ever seems to materialise. Meanwhile, the players run a year off their contracts, thus reducing their potential transfer value.
To take a young lad like Campbell, halfway across the world, farm him out for 2 years to France/Spain to ensure he gets a work permit, then consider loaning him out to West Ham/Crystal Palace as he is not quite "the finished article" is morally obscene.
If we are so happy to accept the loan system when we are trying to get players off the payroll, why don't we use it when we are trying to buy players. Playing the system seems to work for others.
My suggestion therefore is to approach Madrid, Manchester United and Everton and offer to take Higuian, Rooney and Fellaini on loan for a year "with a view to a permanent transfer. "
If they don't work out, we don't take up the option.

Haha tell me one thing. Would you loan out Cazorla? why on earth would they? they don't even want to sell. My apologies if I missed any sarcasm, but this is a senseless post

I understand what you are saying but disagree with regards to Joel Campbell.

Firstly we have had to wait fir the work permit as this kid is pretty special.

I know he has not set the world alight in France / Spain on loan but that is not where he wants to be/ we want him to be!

I think the fact he has got hhis permit us a very good thing. I think it will make him feel his has finally got over the last hurdle.

Secondly Campbell playing for either West Ham or Crystal Palace will give him the experience he needs to get used to the pace and physicality of the EPL.

Also Zaha has left CP and he could easily replace that lost talent if he plays to his abundant natural talent.

If he goes to West Ham then playing off a big forward like theirs again will do him wonders.

Last but not least it gives him a platform to learn and develop. Lukaku didn't exactly fail to benefit last year on loan did he?

Wherever he goes we should be right behind him and making him feel we, the Arsenal fans are behind him, have faith in him and want him to succeed because we want him to succeed for us in the near future!

J

28 Jun 2013 13:58:25
Woke up to read a horrible story today that Arsenal were putting the Higuain deal on hold to find a better striker (Wayne Rooney).

Now I wasn't going to post anything today I was intending on waiting until Monday evening about Higuain but this false rumour has deceived many true Arsenal fans already and I feel to set things straight.

Higuain's deal to join Arsenal is done. He has chosen us ahead of Napoli, Juventus etc and will become an Arsenal player until you hear any quotes from the player of directly from Arsenal saying otherwise don't be worried especially if you've heard he is being offered to Tottenham and not us.

Rooney is a player Arsenal are interested in and we will put a bid in for him, but Arsene Wenger sees him as second striker to play behind Higuain for Arsenal. Arsenal having seemingly ended their interest in Jovetic and are trying to sign Rooney which if he was to play in that role could do extremely well plus it would give us another England International in our team.

Cesar will not be joining us it would appear Wenger has decided to look at other options and we have had a bid rejected for Grenier.

Fellani deal should be finalized next week. Syk news reported we allegedly met his 22m buy out clause and so can now speak to the player and negotiate a deal. Arsenal would create a suitable package for the Belgian star to join Arsenal.

What is the source of this info?

Would love to believe you but I can't after being let down so many times!

28 Jun 2013 13:15:15
Word in Scotland just now is arsenal are going to offer 13.5 million in total for victor wanyama, 12.5 million to celtic and his agent gets a million terrible I know his agent is making up lies about celtic just now but would be glad to see big vic at a team like arsenal would feel proud seeing a celtic production playing for a big team like arsenal. All the best hope you win the epl and I am glad we won't meet you in qualifiers in cl as we are seeded as well :) group stages I wouldn't mind be a great occasion. GGTD

We won't pay an agent fee like that.

Agent fees are believed to be the main reason behind why we didn't sign Ba in January. Rumours said that we offered the same wages as Chelsea, but were not willing to pay off all of his hangers on!

Churchill Gooner

Arsenal will not sign wanyama, if agent fees is the hold up. wenger will not sanction such moves, and he has spoken against the agent manipulating clubs to make money for themselves at the cost of the players.

if I remember correctly at a press conference he defined agents as :

most people who are unable to make it in life, become their friends manager and then lead them down the wrong path.

not an exact quote but I remember it vaguely as it was hilarious.

2010 it was.

28 Jun 2013 12:01:40
do people think we will get higuain?
the longer it goes on i'm not so sure. other people's view's?
sw18gooner

We can only guess and speculate - but ultimately wait.

My views, not ITK just my gut feel:

Higuain, Fellaini -- 100%
Cesar, Serge Aurier -- 80%
Rooney 50/50 - Call me silly!

Premier League Title -- ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!

COYG! FOYS!

North London Is RED!

Ps: I'm a Wandsworth Gooner too!

28 Jun 2013 11:12:56
Hi Guys,

Bad news have been told news coming out of Italy and Spain, Anclettio with not sell Higuain now? not sure how true this in but that is the rumour

ArsenalDreams.

28 Jun 2013 10:57:59
FROM JACOB JANGARU NASARAWA, AWE LGA : up gunners, arsene wenger should offload somedead wood players like arshavin, bentner, squillaci, denelson, djouro, chamark, santos and mannone, AND BRING IN ROONEY, HIGUAIN, FELLAI NI, ASHLEY WILLIAMS, LEWAND__

28 Jun 2013 09:35:42
A few points from a grounded Gooner -
1) Higuain will either happen or not. If he comes, great. If not, we will get someone else. Last year we got Podolski and Giroud - I wasn't unhappy with those 2.
2) He won't go to Spurs - they won't pay 125/150k a week, they don't offer CL football and unless they sell Bale don't have the cash.
3) If not Higuain there are plenty of others available, some more realistioc than others - I wouldn't be unhappy with any of Rooney/Benteke/Cavani/Dzeko/Lewondowski/Gomez/Jovetic. All have th epotential to be fantastic signings.
4) Fellaini would be a huge hit at Arsenal. Takes pressure off the unsuited defensive mids, givs Arteta a break, would work brilliantly with Wilshire as 2 in front of defense whilst also chipping in with goals, something Ramsey/Arteta etc have struggled with this season. 22m is a lot of cash for us, but that's the price of success these days.
5) The big clubs don't always get what they want - think City and RVP last season. Arsenal can't alays be blamed for not buying certyain players - Mata/Hazard spring to mind. I would guess so much goes on behind closed doors that we are not aware of as fans, and in many cases we'd agree that the club did the right thing.
6) My personal wish list - a striker from the list above, Fellaini, and a wide left mid/attacker. Keep everyone else that plays a decent role last year.
7) a team i'd like to start with next season
Sczesny, Sagna, Mert, Kos, Gibbs, fellaini, Wilshire, Walcott, Cazorla, pod (or new winger- not Nani) new striker. We'd be better than for years.

Rob G

I agree with you 99%. - great post.

Take Gomez out that list and I'm all in lol (not a fan at all).

Especially agree on the Mata/Hazard front, yes I wanted them, yes they're good but Chelski had their pants truly taken down on price AND wages - on you go boys.

Scezza and Sagna have a lot to prove for me next season and I'd rather see them have to fight for their place than be 1st choice as I'd like to see us add quality in two areas I believe cost us dearly last term.

I'd have Cesar all day long and this Serge Aurier chap looks like a goodun so, why not.

Feels better to be a Gooner during the transfer window than it has for a long, loooong, time!

COYG!

We have tried recently to spend big on players, we bidded for capoue in january, got rejected and we activated gotze's release clause.

going for the right players it seems.

outstandingly simple post, outstandingly perfect post haha

28 Jun 2013 09:21:49
dont care what people think of me.

we are in talks with dortmund for lewandowski.

malaga gooner

Would love this. Keep them coming Malaga whether they come off or not the idea of it possibly happening makes me smile :)

MG MG MG!
regardless what we think of your posts, you are one of us:) arsenal fans:) and I for one, enjoy reading and considering them:) group hug, group hug:):)
lewandoski, now that would be awesome.
COYG andi:)

But wouldn't we be competing with Bayern for him. And I can't see him choosing us over the CL winners. And he said himself that he wants to join them

I'd like to buy you a beer at the Villa game mate!

I'll even buy you an extra one for each of Fellaini, Higuain, Rooney and Lew if they're Arsenal players by then!

People slate you but you help me keep believing!

28 Jun 2013 09:13:15
Someone posted the other day about us leaving it late in the window to sign players so as to save on the wages in the holiday period. Surely signing the right quality of players and paying them during them during their breaks would pay dividends come the end of the season with potential of a trophy or a higher league finish! higher league position = more money? crazy if you ask me.

N. Wales Gunner

Not even WE have EVER been that tight.

Most ridiculous thing I ever heard, sorry!

28 Jun 2013 07:09:08
Morning All,

I was just thinking about Wanyama and Celtic accepting a bid from Southampton, according to reports that is, seems pretty genuine anyway.

We have been linked with him for two windows with money being the stumbling block, again by all accounts.

So, window open or not I'm hoping that we are not again penny pinching on a player that Arsene by all accounts wanted at the club.

Appreciate targets change and he may no longer be on the radar but I so want us to go the extra mile if we have too and really get rid of the Scrooge mentality.

Eds is he still someone we're looking at? Thanks.

28 Jun 2013 08:59:41
He turned down Southampton, Cardiff are now looking, suprised some of the bigger boys are not. Lennon has also conceded defeat in keeping him. Cheeky 8m bid should get him. Would be a great addition and add some much needed depth.

Wanyama has a greedy agent. He wants 1m. We don't deal with those types of agents.

Paul