Arsenal Banter Archive May 28 2013

28 May 2013 23:09:17
just a quick question as unlikely as these may be, who would you rather sign: gundogan, fabregas, isco?
In my opinion gundogan is who we need, fabregas is who we love but disco will be better then both. mark my words, who ever sign's him will win the title next season. from mr. crazy

Bergkamp5353

I don't know I think Fabregas wood just lift the whole team in so many ways

I like Isco but Fabregas when he use to play for us was better just he's being misused at Barca and it makes you forget how good he use to be he was a real game changer

Dandan

Fabregas without a doubt, not even for romantic reasons. simply because he is by far superior a footballer!

Fabregas then Gundogan then Isco.

It obviously has to be Cesc, but Gundogan would add so much.

Isco is an amazing talent and is already class.

Macca

28 May 2013 22:22:17
Eds, I've seen many rumours about vermaelen going out this summer. Why doesn't the club take a punt on him as a DM? I'm no manager, but it seems his shortcomings as a CB could be converted to strengths as a DM. It would also prevent a big money move to either Barca or united (as well as preventing them from poaching our captain two years running). Do you think it is more likely that he stays or goes? Cheers! {Ed027's Note - I wouldn't know mate, the plan is to have 4 top cb's

He will probably also have short comings as a def mid too. For one he's very one footed. Also as a defender you have much more time to turn, pass and look up etc. but as a midfielder you have to be much quicker with your feet and Verm actually looks quite slow.

Not saying he couldn't do it but it would surely be better to actually buy a def mid and have Verm as a CB.

First reply you hit the nail on the head. he's a centre-half for a reason, and that's it.

Would rather have an accountant doing accounting rather than an accountant doing marketing. Vermalaen is not a DMF, never was, never will be. why not buy someone tried and tested

28 May 2013 21:34:53
why does everybody seem to think that Jovetic is the most amazing striker in the world?
he has about as many goals as giroud. he has potential yes, but in the end we have a youth team full of potential and I would much rather give one of them a chance rather than waste another 15-25mil on a striker who isn't exceptional.

Steve

28 May 2013 20:11:24
I have seen rumoured we are in for a GK ~10m a CB 8-10m a DM 10-15m and a ST 20-25m. I just can's see Arsenal spashing 55-75m on 4 players even with player sales. Do you really thing we will spend anywhere near that much? What positions do you see as a priority? Appreciate all you eds! {Ed027's Note - The ones you have mentioned

28 May 2013 20:02:34
any chance we can have a page called 'Unbelievable Arsenal Rumours' added to the site so at least I can get that warm fuzzy feeling when someone says we are going to sign someone big? (and I believe them for a minute or two)

paul {Ed027's Note - That is the dodgy page

28 May 2013 18:51:08
Just few wee things williams decent no world beater also striker/winger options mertens gomez higuian jovetic draxler would be welcomed but we know that wenger is tighter than a italian waiter kecks and won't pay more than 100k per week wages so would we get them?

28 May 2013 14:53:25
all this talk of needing a dm I think we should try the verm there, he likes to get stuck in and powers the ball forward and also is defence minded and with kos and bfg behind him can't see many goals getting in and don't have to spend so wenger could spend more on what we need a proven striker just a thought what do you think


dave the gooner

Could be a good call, but would much rather see Lars Bender there, he has a 15mil release clause too unsure if that's euros or sterling though

either way cheap option, as for your post on the striker, I ask why?

Jovetic or Higuain will not score more than Giroud next season if all had equal game time.
Rooney could get us 20+ goals but 20-25mil is a risk for a player with that attitude, Personally would hope if we were to sign a striker it would be Aubameyang, versatile, can play central or left, can dribble cross score and is quick, would give us a different option to Giroud, other than him can't see any world class strikers available atm.

however saying that if ancelotti were to leave, I wouldn't mind arsenal testing the resolve for Ibrahimovic. however wouldn't pay more than £17mil so a transfer request would most likely be needed for this to happen.

EC Gunner.

How is aubameyang world class? His stats are not as good as Higuain and he is in the french league. Benteke would be a much better signing as would Rooney.

Chess, his stats are not as good as higuain? in what way?

Aubameyang - 37 Games, 19 Goals, 9 assists.

Higuain - 27 Games, 15 goals, 5 assists.


Now yeh Aubameyang ratio isn't as good, but he was doing that from mostly the left and in a much lesser team than real madrid!

Stick him in a much better team and he will do better, also higuain is too slow for the premiership.

Also watch aubameyang before you judge, don't just go on stats! he does so much more for the team than higuian.

It seems as though the majority of gooners do not think verm at DM is wise due to his footwork and passing but i'm actually intrigued by the idea just because I think it would make us more solid at the back. also not sure if he would be in favour of a position switch at his age. interesting stuff though good post.

Trinidad-Gooner

Definitely agree on lars bender, absolute class although I expect he is schwienstiegers long therm replacement.

My understanding was that the realise clause was EUR 20mln. Which unfortunately makes him a bit of a stretch target for us.

Oddly, I am starting to have a feelingt he Giroud will do well next season.

Billybob

I just think side show bob from Chelsea can do it then verm could and the way he can strike a ball from out side the box could be a plus, and would like to see rooney come as much as I can't see it can still hope just like they last 8 years of hearing what top players we will sign and then don't but that's part of being a gooner I think anyways thanks for the replys and here is hoping to a bit of silver wear next


dave the gooner

When we signed verm was it not to play at cdm I think he played his first friendly for us there

Oh stop it already with these Vermaelen DM nonsense!

This is the sort of mentality that gets us fourth position. Vermalaen is no DMF

"he likes to get stuck in and powers the ball forward " what like Alex Song did and got slated for. Being a CDM is more than being able to tackle and run forwards with the ball. One thing Song had was quicker footwork and the ability to receive and hold onto the ball under pressure. TV might be able to to do it but surely its not time to experiment.

Surely its a lot better to buy CDM and keep Verm as 3rd choice CB than to play Verm as CDM and buy another CB as cover as we can't really play all our CBs (Kos, Mert and Verm) games as we'd have no cover then!

28 May 2013 13:41:50
When are all you people, going to stop saying we are signing this one our that one. When everybody knows if they are realistic that Wenger and the board ain't going to change there spending policy. WE will not make any significient signings. There is a huge amount of cash available but this is for the share holders not player recruitment. All that twaddle, from Gazidis about pushing the club forward, and spending big money is crap. Gazidis says this at the start of every season so season ticket holders renew. I am very despondent, about signing players and believe, the only way for this to change is for Usmanov to take over the club, and bring back David dein. I honestly believe if Wenger doesn't spend big then he should leave the club next year, so the team can progress with big signings.

I am not one who likes the whole '100% signing this player' however this is a rumour website.


Really you're posting your negative mindset of our club hoping that they will prove you wrong, if they do you win, if they don't you were right and once again you win.

however no one on here cares for your negativity, so please leave.

or post what you believe we will sign or should sign, thank you

EC Gunner

EC you might disagree, but a lot of people feel this way, don't start the whole "you shouldn't have an opinion because it disagrees with mine" arguement. If you beleive Silent Stan will take the club forward tell us why (god knows I see no evidence of that) and if you don't beleive Usmanovs publicly stated plans again tell us why?
And no I'm not the original poster.

Agreed, if everyone had that mindset then there would be no purpose for this site and that would be horrible : (

can't imagine life without the Eds :)

keep up the great work

Trinidad-Gooner

Im not saying Stan is or isn't the man to take us forward but I don't want to be in the same boat as chelsea or city if usmanov were to take over.

personally i'd like a happy medium. we spend only from our profits. so like now we have over £100mil sitting in the bank from profits, to me that would be a transfer budget, the manager could spend it all now or use some now more next year, whichever he felt fit, but I never stated stan or usmanov were right, I merely said about the complaining of people claiming rumours.

seeing as this is a rumours site, I believe it only natural to happen.

EC Gunner.

I get the negative vibes around Stan, but realistically, it should not matter about our owner, that is the whole point of the Emirates move.

The Premier League TV deal and our new commercial deals will make us more competitive in wages and the transfer market, whereas the loss and wage FFP in the BPL and Europe will hinder financial doping of teams.
If UEFA would step up and ban third party ownership like the BPL has, I think that we would pretty much be on a level playing field with all but United, Real, and Barca.

We still have to pay off our stadium debt but with considerably more money coming in and fixed payments over time, I imagine that will not be an issue.

Maybe I am too optimistic, but the goal behind moving to the Emirates was to safeguard the future of the club under a pluralist ownership model (hence why it should not matter who our owner is) and I like that (even if I do not like the growing pains that we went through to get here 8 years and counting without a trophy).

We have stable debt repayment and ballooning tv and corporate deals while having the second largest gate receipts in England and fourth largest in Europe. Cetris Paribus, we will be at or near the top of the game if we can manage our money wisely and UEFA and the BPL are serious on FFP.

- James R.

Second no name poster has champagne Charlie written all over it.

Nas

Really NAS.

i would suggest you NEVER go on 1 of those murder-mystery weekends.

evening all.

28 May 2013 12:13:56
i just wanted to put my 2 pence in on what money will be spent in the coming window.
i think we have all forgotten the huge new commercial deals that are coming the clubs way.
the emirates president said when we signed the new improved deal that extra money would be paid up front, even if they were to pay 2 years of the new deal it would mean an extra 60 mill to play around with.
the new kit deal which we are believed to be PUMA is suppose to be around the same value as the emirates deal. for me puma are not 1 of the big boys in kit names but that could all change if arsenal become a huge success on the pitch.
i am not an advertising guru but for the emirates to invest all that money in the club again they must know that the club has big plans in the coming window. I just can't see 1 of the biggest airlines in the world wanting to carry on being associated with 4th spot team, it makes no sense.
i think we are going to be over the moon come the end of the window.

the bong

28 May 2013 10:21:29
Hi eds, once again arsenal to miss out on 2 main targets in jovetic and higuin as wenger (or the board) refuse to break the magic £20mill plus fee bracket.
Many gooners and yourselves may not agree with the players wenger targets. But if they are the players he wants why won't he pay the fee's wanted?
Fergie made mistakes but always just paid the fee wanted to get his man. Eg carrick, berbatov, ferdinand etc all over priced but he got his targets!
Wenger was constantly quoted in te sales of ven p, fabregas, nasri etc in saying that as arsenal players we finally decided on the selling price, so why is it different when buying? We all know prices are to be bartered but we often miss out on players as when we arr quoted £25mill we barter at £15mill! Rant over and the real question eds ars do you see wenger spending the big £25-£30 mill on one player? Or will he look to buy 4-5 players around the £10mill mark. Thanks eds, kbgunner {Ed027's Note - Higuain & Jovetic haven't gone anywhere yet

Spending over £20m is a risk. Utd spent over that for Rio, Berb, Veron, Rooney, RVP etc. Berb and Veron were not great but you'd probably say Rio was well worth it.

28 May 2013 09:54:50
hi editors and fellow gooner.

is any 1 else excited about ian holloway being back in the pl.
i think he is a great personality and adds much needed fun to our league.
for me I think its great that clubs in london are doing well, I am not talking about the chavs and that bunch up the road.
well done palaca.

the bong

28 May 2013 09:17:41
Although I do believe this summer will be where Arsene finally spends, it's already starting to have that déjà vu feel. and I know it's all rumours right now but.

Spurs open talks with Barca over David Villa

Jovetic going to Juve because they're going to the 25m asking price and we're stalling at 20m

Higuain also looking likely to go elsewhere

And despite how unlikely it is, if
Fabregas goes to United - or anywhere besides us, I will lose my final thread of faith in Arsene and the current board

Paul

28 May 2013 08:52:50
4 signings to get Arsenal Challenging for titles next season.


Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - St. Etienne

Lars Bender - Bayer Leverkusen

Kurt Zouma or Marquinhos - St. Etienne & AS Roma respectively

Darijlo Srna - Shakhtar Donetsk


Reasons.


Everyone seems so intent on signing a striker this season with Jovetic largely being touted as the number one target, but do we really need a new striker? Giroud didn't do badly in his debut season and shows signs of much more to come. also with the large price tag Jovetic will come with (£25mil) is it good business? he scored a mere 12 goals for Fiorentina this season which is not a whole load to brag about.
Therefore I have proposed a more logical and better suited solution in Aubameyang, an exceptional dribbler and incredibly quick player who can play as a central striker or as a left winger, he possesses both the ability to score goals, as well as create them with expert crossing, and never affraid to beat a defender he could really be what Arsenal need, And at £17mil is a cheaper alternative to Jovetic, and if Wenger really did want to break the bank on a striker i'd rather see Rooney than jovetic, as much as I hate his attitude, he will definitely score us goals, and if played as a lone striker I wouldn't see less than 20 goals to his name.

Secondly it seems only obvious everyone wishes for the hole in the team to be plugged, last season we lost one of our star performers and saw no-one replace him, i'm talking of Alex song, so therefore I propose Lars Bender, largely was considered to be inferior than his brother Sven just a couple seasons back, but has now grown into his own, he doesn't have the injury record sven has and he possesses excellent tackling ability, defensive positioning, and what arsenal have lacked mostly, this guy has an engine to last, his stamina is incredible, he really does go the whole 90. will cost roughly £15-18mil, but will be a success wherever he ends up, so let's hope that is Arsenal.

Thirdly another widely tipped position to need strengthening, The achilles heel to arsenal football club. the centre back. Arsenal are heavily linked with Ashley Williams of Swansea for a reasonable 10mil fee, however some sources are claiming we should be after the likes of Hummels, Subotic, Varane, ect. but these kinds of players will cost us £15-20+mil.
which is highly unlikely for an arsenal side to spend on a defender, therefore I propose 2 very young but very talented centre backs who are already first team regulars and are dominating their respective leagues.


firstly we look at Kurt Zouma of St. Etienne, a real power house, something arsenal have really missed in recent years, and at 18 this exceptional athlete has ability to match, his defending has helped make St. Etienne's defensive record second only to the champions PSG, and at 18 years old it won't be long before some major club snaps him up. St. Etienne will hope for offers of £15mil+ but a bid of £10mil will not fall far from being accepted.

Secondly Marquinhos, well the 18 year old brazillian is another exceptionally talented centre back, plying his trade in a league which is regarded by many as the most defensive league in europe and doing a great job of it drawing plaudits from all over, and I would highly recommend this defender to any top european club, so much so that if pep doesn't take him to bayern or barca don't make a bid I actually believe arsenal could snip in for the player. Roma will hold out for more but the economy in italy is poor so £14mil would be enough to bring him to the emirates.

Lastly this brings me to the Right back, Everyone knows arsenal are not willing to offer sagna any more than a one year extension to his current contract given his recent injury record, and this has caused his form to slip and his attitude to decline, to me he doesn't want to be at the club anymore and PSG seem to be interested, could easily sell for £10mil, which will help in finding his replacement.

Many people are hoping for Piszczek from Dortmund however having already lost Lewandowski, Goetze and having Barca and many other suitors eye up the likes of Reus and Hummels I doubt Dortmund will be too willing to do business for such a consistent player, or at least not without a price tag to match there disinterest to do business. So there are few options in the right back field that would really excel arsenal in that position, de sciglio and abate but my choice had to be Srna, playing in a much lower standard league but showing he definitely has the ability in the champions league as Shakhtar shown they have more than enough quality to compete with Europes elite, his age is a worry however he will be a great help in showing jenkinson the ropes as they are much more suited in terms of style than sagna and jenkinson. will probably cost £8mil.


All in all the 4 players would cost roughly £55mil, if rooney too, then your talking £80+ but it would be an excellent time to do so as the teams who domestically finished above us have all changed managers.

Thankyou anyone who read it all, please comment to give opinions.

I don't think bringing in 0 world class players is going to make us challenge for the title. All players I'd like to see at Arsenal but we need atleast one that is a bit special.

Bender is probably the best player in his position given his age, his tactical awareness is incredible, he is the reason khedira will not make the german squad next year for the world cup.

aubameyang will be something special and i'd argue actually is world class.

plus these are all players we are financially capable of signing.

also they would all be interesting in a move as were a bigger club than their current clubs and we offer champions league which most teams do not.


these players will plug the holes where we are weak, we already have special players we just need to give them that freedom

just to point out walcott is world class. stats don't lie, bale is considered player of the year, world class.

bale: played 44 scored 26 assisted 8

walcott: played 43 scored 21 assisted 17

so bale helped score 32.

walcott helped score 38.

im not saying walcott is better, but he is special.

Aubameyang world class - you're joking right?

28 May 2013 08:19:25
Significant money has been placed on Fabregas moving to Man Utd, bookies now have them as evens favourite for his signature! Ouch!

28 May 2013 17:24:59
and shinji is supposed to do what exactly?

there's a pic of cesc on twitter with iniesta and pique in training. pretty much seems like he's having a ball.

moyes will not go for cesc when they need a dm and cb.

its likely he will raid everton of, fellani. and have a rooney conundrum. I want that to drag them through the mud this offseason.