Arsenal Banter Archive May 28 2017

28 May 2017 21:43:01
It was lovely to see rob holding after the whistle yesterday. You could see the excitement in a young Englishman winning a cup that means so much to English fans. A dream come true in his first season. He has looked the part all year and I think he will be our next long term captain he is confident and vocal . His reading of the game will improve but his ability is there to see. Comfortable on the ball, composed and springs from the back. I see a lot of rio ferdinhand at his best in the kid. He has all the makings of a modern great in his possition.

28 May 2017 22:45:12
A big plus from this season sano and he didn't break the bank, the scout who found him wants a pat on the back. The cheapest player we bought last summer by a wide margin and probably the best.

28 May 2017 23:22:00
Add him to Bellerin, Coq, Kos in terms of quality defensive cheap signings fingers crossed on Chambers and Grani who looks better in new formation.

28 May 2017 23:49:32
Holding is absolute quality.

Looks like he's been in our defence for years.

29 May 2017 00:03:25
I would never play him alongside Coquelin though.
(Think about it 😂)

29 May 2017 00:50:23
Calum Chambers? Anyone remember him from 3 years ago?
Let's give Holding time without the expectations
Hopefully he will but maybe he won't be the real deal, let's be patient and give our opinion over 30 consecutive games at the very least.

29 May 2017 02:26:55
Gunner and jenko but this lad, I think is a different animal. But yes he needs time to develop.

29 May 2017 02:44:39
Geez g62 mate, easy now. Nothing wrong in showing some appreciation and seeing the potential in the young lad. You're right on us fans with having too many expectations too early but you can't judge chambers yet he still young and learning and I think he did well on his loan shifts. And I can see these two bossing our defence in the future.

28 May 2017 19:58:57
3 FA Cups in 4 years - #ya moaners ya

'At the moment of course, the ridiculous situation with the sort of pressure that Arsene's under. I just wonder, do they realise the job that Arsene's done?

The way I think, the most amazing thing about him is this; he's come through a forest of criticism for months now, and he's never bowed. He's seen it right through, he's shown a determination, a stubbornness. And I think when you look at that, that's a quality, these are qualities that I'm not sure they'll ever get someone with again.

So it's quite easy to say, 'ya, get rid of him. ' And what do you get? Who are they going to get that can keep that club the way they are and the way they've been for the last 20 years?

So, I really feel sorry for him because I think he's shown outstanding qualities in how he's handled the whole situation. And I don't if many could have done that. '

Moan we never win silverware - now moan that we don't win the league. Competing with money bags CFC, $ity plus Utd. Let's see what they spend in the summer. Plus Spurs and Pool. #god given rite to win the league my Arse.

28 May 2017 20:21:53
It's all down to perception SY mate, some of us see Arsenal as a huge club and look at the things we don't achieve while others look at Arsene and make the most of what he does achieve.

Some of us remember the trip of a life and are forever grateful and are satisfied with it, while others are grateful for the memories but I want more of the same and are happy to let go of the past to achieve it.
We all see things differently and have different and have a different senses​ of loyalty v ambition, thankfully because life would be dull if we didn't have :-)

28 May 2017 20:33:45
62 - I am ambitious but if we win the league we will have slightly over achieved. Give Wenger or the next manager 300 to 490m to compete then let's see

Give him a third of the budget year on year and then see what we achieve

We shouldn't turn out noses up at 3 trophies.

28 May 2017 20:33:49
What's your point? Lol.

Good post SY4 mate.

{Ed033's Note - 👍

28 May 2017 20:49:20
Depends on how you look at things.

Is 5th and an FA Cup win a good season?

The likes of Barca, Madrid and Bayern would probably be sacking their manager this morning.

28 May 2017 21:28:31
We aren't Barca, Munich etc - let's get real

We also have 6 clubs capable of winning the league and so very demanding league

If we had Barca's midfield and attack - think we would do ok.

28 May 2017 21:29:39
Look the fact of the matter is that if Wenger never came then we would be over the moon with the past three years. Wenger has made a rod for his own back and we have seen nobody clubs like city and Chelsea take the stage and it hurts. I think it's time to move on because wether it's this year next year or the one after Wenger is going to leave. If you were to ask me what my favourite outcome would be it would be Wenger staying and we win the league and the man can go out as a winner and that's what the club would benefit from. The debate needs putting to bed and we need to get behind the club because things to some extent are out of our hands.

28 May 2017 21:44:52
That's exactly the point Dags, do we associate ourselves with Barcelona Real Bayern? No. Chelsea or City? No
Spurs? Not anymore they have wether we like it or not moved ahead of us.
What about Utd? Currently but which club will have the better summer? Which one will buy the players that improve thier team the most regardless of spend Utd or Arsenal, if both Jose and Arsene had £200,000 million to spend which one would spend it best and get the best out the players they bought,
If you chose Arsene you are
An extremely loyal person who would rather go down on a sinking ship that give up on a captain who has been good to you in the past.
If you chose Jose
You are a survivor who will choose the ship you think gives them the best chance of ever seeing dry land again.

28 May 2017 22:22:58
Sy who are the six because we aren't one of them. We don't do league challenges.

28 May 2017 22:30:19
Think you summed it up perfectly Sanogo.

28 May 2017 22:51:39
Spot on G62.

28 May 2017 23:57:45
62 United did give Jose a shed load of money and they're still utter shizzle.

28 May 2017 23:40:43
Sy you bring the same debate to the site week after week and you get the same answers. he's not achieving anywhere near what was promised to the fans and he's not giving us a title challenge for years and years, that's not good enough for the size of this club.

29 May 2017 00:21:19
Stoner its a good job you are not a united fan, you'd get more stick than me. Two cups and champions league in first season and shizzle. I do agree though, they are shizzle. Lol.

29 May 2017 02:59:06
No dags I wouldn't say completely spot on what 62 said, maybe not bayern real or barca. But you tell we are far behind city Chelsea and god forbid spurs. Nah mate, maybe this season hasn't been great, there is so much blame on our supporters as much ad there is on arsne and the players.

29 May 2017 11:35:32
Iam sure we challenged fornthe league last year?

28 May 2017 17:03:28
4th place and CL

Or

5th place and FA Cup?

The latter for me .

Great form towards the end of the season

Let's hope Wenger has stumbled across his preferred formation?

28 May 2017 18:02:25
Definitely 5th and FAC.

I think it would do us good to finish outside top 4.

Maybe Europa League is our level, plus it's a wake up call to the board.

28 May 2017 18:07:30
Hi Banbury mate good to hear from you, yes this is it, no this time it really is it it's so different to all the other times when we've rallied to finish to the season well and or stated the season well but dropped out of contention by March :-)
This form and new formation bares no resemblance to 2 seasons back when we found a DM in Le Coq and absolutely stuffed Villa in the cup to finish the season on a high :-)
Unfortunately mate I can't see that a mass mentality transplant has taken place and I feel our players and manager will go on holiday feeling they have proven all they need to prove to anyone by winning a handful of games against a bunch of teams with nothing to play for at the end of the season plus one huge magnificent performance against the best team in the country.
We will continue to go through the motions until something majorly different happens to bring about the change we all want imo.

28 May 2017 18:08:01
For me for arsenal football club I don't think either is an acceptable achievement. If finishing fourth meant we go on and improve from it, that would be fine. Finishing fifth fa cup and putting all the wrongs right then fine. The problem comes when neither is going to help us move forward. We have won the fa cup and finished in the champs league in the not too distant past and now we are going backwards as far as learning how to manage the league. Yesterday was another trophy and a great day but that's all it is. You start the season with intensions of winning the league ( well some do ) everything else is secondry. We are further today from winning the league than we was four seasons ago.

28 May 2017 18:11:45
Just to add winning the champs league is secondry to the league as well but you have to have everything in place to challenge for the league andcthe rest is a bonus. The thing is we are in bonus territory not actually going for the league title and that for arsenal is not acceptable.

28 May 2017 18:43:30
All fair points Gents.

28 May 2017 11:13:51
What a win yesterday best performance of the season but why has it only been the last day of the season we put that on Wenger got it spot on pleased for him but still would like change let Wenger have 1 more year so we can get the right man in.

28 May 2017 10:34:14
Hey
West ham can here in peace just want to say well done for winning the FA cup yesterday I was cheering you and was happy to see you win it and you fully deserved it, just shame you couldn't play like that all season and then I'm pretty sure you would be at the top or near about there, but one thing I do have to ask, how do you all put up with ozil I know he's an amazing player and his assits saids it all but it does look like sometimes you are playing with 10 players for most of the game, but anyways well done and wish you all the best next season.

28 May 2017 11:06:26
Thanks Happy

Ozil's workmate is a lot better than he gets credit fir in the press. He's not a scrapper type player so he will rarely fly into crunching tackles but he puts a shift in just closing down. Having said that he did try a tackle on Hazard.

I think we need to keep him and get players around him of Sanchez class and then he will show even more.

Best but of yesterday was BFG and Holding standing up to Costa. He couldn't intimidate or bully either of them.

Mert showed true character. He is slow but he makes up for it in his mind. Lots will disagree but he just one of the best footballing brains around and you don't get more than 100 caps with Germany if you aren't a special player

3 cups in 4 years and I'm lucky enough to been at all 3. Yesterday was by farthest most satisfying and if we can play at an average of 75% of that level through next season we could actually make a challenge.

28 May 2017 11:21:32
Hi Happy mate, personally I think if Mesut was to stay to stay the answer is to build a team around him as he is the kind of quality you just can't pop out and buy else where.
Ramsey Gibbs Theo Ox are the perennial problem and Iwobi looks very much like he will succeed them all in the future as an Arsenal through and through under performing player who all to often flatters to deceive.
Letting go of what hasn't worked for years and learning from what others have done differently is the way forward for us imo, only by changing the mentality that's ingrained in so many of our current squad will we change our image and overall fortune.
If it was one player we might be able to change their outlook but Ramsey Gibbs Theo Ox Jack plus some who have come in and settled into the cosy club? It's impossible to change all of them all at one time.
Sanchez is gone imo and we need to look at why we lost him and learn from our mistakes​.

28 May 2017 12:23:42
Gunner this team next season without sanchez, I fear for it.

28 May 2017 14:58:37
Cheers Happy.

27 May 2017 21:05:03
Hi all a united fan in peace .
Congratulations on wining the cup today. Not the season you wanted but its like ourselves last season its some consolation.
Gutted you didn't make top 4 tbh.
Don't look your nose down the Europa league it's a nice trophy to win and if you do you will enjoy the ride.
Enjoy the summer break.
Ken.

28 May 2017 08:51:05
Hi Ken,
I still think your boys have had a good season.
Have a lovely weekend mate.

28 May 2017 10:20:07
Hi Ken I think we need to change our mind set about the Europa league and the league cup too and set out to win every competition we enter next season.
United​ Chelsea and City all pay the league cup more respect than us and both Chelsea and United have won the Europa league in recent seasons.
We as a club manager players fans ( myself included) have looked down our noses at the Europa league and league cups for years yet we are the only one of the big clubs who haven't been able to mount one single title challenge for over a decade.
I think it's back to basics for each and everyone one of us at Arsenal and maybe if we start paying more respect to all football has to offer rather than consider some competitions beneath us we might find we actually become more competitive in the competitions everyone cherishes the most.
Can City United Chelsea all have it so wrong and us so right? The evidence suggests​ not.

28 May 2017 15:32:32
Good post G62, enjoyed reading that.

28 May 2017 18:09:00
Thanks 14 mate.

28 May 2017 00:47:11
IF Wenger can get ozil and Sanchez to sign. Let him have another year 😂😂 love them both . anyone know where to find the player vids off them messing about singing in the changing room haha.