Arsenal Banter Archive September 28 2014

28 Sep 2014 19:11:33
Very disappointed in yesterdays result, Spurs were there for the taking and once again we did not get the job done.With Arteta, s injury(not good enough anyway.)plus Flamini despite his massive heart is not good enough, has someone has already said let's try Diaby and Coquelin.I rather lose next Sunday(and lose we will)trying a different line up, then going down big time with the same old same old.Yesterdays result is just another example of AW not learning from past results(wins and loses.).Oh why oh why was Ozil out wide again, his AW so conceited and arrogant of his managerial that he thinks he can get a player who was rated one of the top midfield players in the world and get him to play out wide when it clearly doesn't suit him or his he a control freak who will not do what the whole world and his dog knows(personally I think its both).I for one did not go overboard over the Villa result taking everything into account, to be honest I don't even fancy it Weds night against Galastaray.Coming back to the Chelsea game I really fear for us, the only way we could get something out that game his to get rid of Wenger and bring someone in with tactical knowledge and set the team up to get something out of the game, Ronald Koeman and Soton are a great example inwhat you can do with the right tactics, but that ain't going to happen.What will happen is this, leading up to the game Mourinho will wipe the floor with Wenger verbally, then on Sunday his team will finish the job.If anybody thinks I paint a gloomy picture sorry folks but this is our I see it.I said in a earlier post that we have quite a good squad(2 players short maybe)but we are being let down in the managerial department.Take care people.
Heybridge Gooner

28 Sep 2014 20:18:33
Unfortunately, agree with the majority of that post.

Sheeny

so you would rather carry on with arteta and flamini, if you wish to carry on with the same old atleast justify it, with reasons why? if you can think of something better than coq/diaby until January I would be happy to read it.

hulk hogunner

I totally agree with you heybridge, mourinho the arrogant so and so knows he can rile wenger the wrong way and will use every trick in the book up until the match.
lets try something different in defensive midfield, give us some bite otherwise chelski will destroy us on the break. anything is better than flamini and arteta, no disrespect but they are not arsenal class.
if we can stem their midfield and attack, we got a chance, its going to take players who are willing to run, chase and fight for every ball for 90 minutes, we don't need passengers on sunday. if ozil plays he must be given a free role in the middle.

hulk hogunner

28 Sep 2014 23:00:25
I would ditch the 4-1-4-1 system altogether.

To play that you need a monster CDM. We don't have a Monster CDM so, as I've said many times, why play a system that requires a player we don't have.

4-3-3

Wilshere, Ramsay double pivot behind Ozil. Ox and Sanchez on the wings Welbeck center.

Obviously Ramsay is out for Chelsea. So Flamini will play out of necessity against them.

No point in starting Diaby as he will have to be subbed at 60mins. He's also not a proper CDM as he prefers to go forward. This weekend is the first ever mention from either himself or Wenger of him becoming a CDM.

Coqulein (in spite of what he might think himself) is best at RB which is where he played at Southampton. He looked lost anytime I saw him play through the center.

Ramsay has not been playing well and if he doesn't revert to basics should be dropped. But the current system doesn't suit him. He's best as a workhorse covering ground and making a nuisance of himself and running from deep. Not as a faux-No. 10. Removing Arteta/Flamini from the equation and instituting the double pivot would see him drop further back and make the most our of his natural talents.

28 Sep 2014 16:17:56
Hi all

yesterday was an unbelievable draw but we should have walked away with all 3 points considering the amount of possession we had.
our soft underbelly was for all to see yesterday and it will keep on appearing until we rectify our problem - THE DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD POSITION.
arteta is not good enough period- flamini is not good enough period. both unfortunately are on their last legs as footballers and are causing many gooners sleepless nights knowing that the defence will be left exposed and the opposition will run riot. if a team like spurs can exploit our weakness which they did on numerous occasions when they broke through on a counter - both flamini and arteta seemed as though they were jogging on the spot - just think what better attacking teams will do. if we do that against chelski we will be obliterated with the quality they have upfront.
I am writing this now and still know deep down wenger will pick flamini on sunday and in the champions league. all this BS about their experience in big matches is nonsense they haven't done nothing to make the position their own.

me personally I would drop both and put in diaby and coquelin atleast until January. diaby will give us power and coquelin will give us speed, he was like a terrier against Southampton and showed hunger and desire which our defensive mid lacks. he has a point to prove and even if its till January he will put in a shift. if diaby does get injured jack can come in alongside coquelin. I know it will mean upsetting the jack - ramsey axis but with ramsey injured and arteta aswell we need to tighten our defensive side to stop teams running riot on us. we can't afford to go a goal down and then start chasing a game leaving our defence exposed.
why wenger played ozil on the left again after probably his best game against villa beggars belief! wengers stubbornness to do exactly the opposite of what the fans can see is detrimental to the club, if you have a winning formula stick to it, its like the 4141 - WHY? I would go 4231

szecs
chambers merti kosci gibbs
coquelin diaby
ox ozil sanchez
welbeck

this formation is imo more solid. ox sanchez and welbeck are all happy running back and closing down defenders but can also attack with pace - coquelin with his terrier like play can break down play and diaby can add power and height plus they can support the defence - ozil can have a free role with no defensive duties. with jack santi and rosicky and ramsey when fit rotating it looks a much stronger team, with theo coming back soon it will only get stronger.
I know this is all hypothetical but atleast it will be something better than what we have now. we are not far off from being the finished article, but our soft underbelly and wengers stubbornness and unwillingness to make quicker substitutions to change the flow of the game will be the undoing of the team everytime.

over and out

hulk hogunner

28 Sep 2014 17:42:48
You were going good untill you mentioned Coq/Diaby

I'm confused. Coquelin? Speed?

There's a very good reason Coquelin hasn't played for us for quite some time. He's not good enough. He's on the bench for 1 reason. We have no other defensive cover.

Sheeny

so you would rather carry on with arteta and flamini. if you wish to carry on with the same old atleast justify it, with reasons why? if you can think of something better than coq/diaby until January I would be happy to read it.

hulk hogunner

Rockyv11

are you seriously telling me coquelin is slower than flamini or arteta. come on man! he is a better option atm up until January.

hulk hogunner

Its a shame about debuchy and jenks (different reasons obviously) because if we had one or both we could play 3 5 2 Calum Mert Kos in the absence of a DM worth talking about

Hulk.

Speed apart he's in my opinion like I said defensive cover on the bench. He's not very good. It's quite something wanting a player who hasn't played for us in a long time who couldn't hold down a place in a poor french team while out on loan. The only reason he's still an arsenal player is because we didn't sign enough defenders. It's desperate times when we want poor players to start.

28 Sep 2014 13:42:35
Not sure how I feel about yesterdays performance. Obviously a draw is dissapointing but I think we did play well. On the day Kaboul and Vertonghen played very well, Lloris also had a blinder.

We created plenty of chances and dominated possession. In the end an error from Flamini cost us. I thought Ozil played well and was trying to create chances but was let down by lack of movement infront of him. Cazorla looked great for first 10 min then faded away. Sanchez, Wilshere and Ox also looked good in short bursts. Welbeck was average imo.

Think Ramsey injury good be a good thing as it allows us to play Ozil in his preffered CAM role and the Ox/Cazorla get gametime as they've been playing better recently.

Chelsea will be tough, that's all i'm going to say.

28 Sep 2014 08:57:11
Well, after all the dust has settled on yesterday's game, I think some people have mentioned the same problems have arisen again.

For me, the left wing position isn't currently being filled by the right player. I keep saying it but a Robert Pires of old. Pushing Ozil, Wilshere or Cazorla out there becomes ineffectual. Personally in the current squad I would use The Ox and his pace. We HAVE to play Ozil through the middle and Sanchez on the right for now whilst Walcott is injured.

Ramsey hasn't been playing well of late and the injury might be a blessing in the fact that he can recover and come back ready to go again. Arteta and Flamini have not been good as DM but then again, we all said that and hoped Wenger would upgrade our danger mouse but he didn't.

Galatasaray aside, Chelsea is a massive game and I would snap your hand off now for a draw and us remaining unbeaten. However I fear Fabregas and Costa doing a job on us. Dare I say it, Chelsea have started the season like we did in 03/04 and look strong.

If chelsea win and go 9 points clear of us then it will be a huge bodyblow!

28 Sep 2014 11:00:05
Anybody wil like a point against Chelsea but expect a spanking. It shouldn't be a 6-0 or 6-3 though.