Arsenal Banter Archive July 29 2013

 

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29 Jul 2013 21:40:22
Arsenal move for Saurez looking increasingly unlikely due to Liverpool's unwillingness to sell, 3 bids have been made now all rejected out of hand, wenger starting look at other options, Muriel/Jackson MartinezDiego Lopez are now on the potentials list. Enquiries were made for Lewandowski and Reus but Dortmund made the decision to hold onto Lewandowski earlier in the summer and stuck by it, no interest in letting Reus go.

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Muriel looks decent and I like Jackson Martinez a lot. Isn't lopez a GK?

It seems a lot of time and energy has been spent on suraez- if its not going to any happen, let's move on and sign other targets. {Ed027's Note - Diego Lopez is a Gk for Madrid. I think the poster meant Lisandro Lopez who plays for Porto,i doubt he meant Maxi Lopez

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29 Jul 2013 21:35:02
How the bloody hell would anyone not want Suarez at our club? That guys is a footballing genius and would make any defender in the world **** his pants. Yes he does have some baggage, but Arsene can put a leash on him I believe. He has pace, guile and a never say die attitude. Currently do we have anyone better than him at CF? No we don't. Would he improve the team? Definitely!

Arsenal is a footballing club, not a "finishing school" or monastery. The most important thing is talent, not manners. If we keep him ban free, he will be epic!

Rue1025

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Easily to be honest.

He is far from a footballing genius, I think everyone is getting a bit giddy with excitement that we might sign someone, didn't see anyone posting he was what we needed before the rumour started.

1404
Say no to Suarez.

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30 Jul 2013 12:23:25
@1404 the only reason why no one proposed him was because we couldn't even believe that it was possible that we would bid for him. no one has ever said anything about cristiano ronaldo being a a very good signing for us, but if wenger makes a bid for him, every arsenal fan would go wild with excitement!

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29 Jul 2013 20:28:04
Gooners,

No matter how desperate we all are to see new faces arrive at the club, the club have pretty much the first team squad of last season still intact baring Santos and Gervinho, who let's face it contributed little.

Taking this into account, the club will take things to the wire and gamble in what ever transfer business they intend to conclude if any. If we get dragged into the same mess we have found ourselves in in the past few seasons then on thier heads be it.

They will spin the same yarn and bleat about a new crop of youngsters pushing through and not wanting to hinder thier potential to get first team opportunities yadda yadda.

Just face it a leapord never changes his spots, whatever piddley business we may end up carrying out will be met with roars of he can do a job and you never know he may get the best out of him.

I hope and pray that I am wrong, but I can't see it to tbh, no precedent has been set to date with us showing real intent and s

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29 Jul 2013 20:19:37
Have had enough of WENGER differing we are so much weaker than last year and have the perfect opportunity to jump our rivals, New mangers etc, but. nothing. nothing at all what are you all doing, this is a once in a blue moons chance all we get is squad in focussed, young players coming through, mate nothing motivates players more than having fresh blood coming in for their places, so many fans are coming on and saying this, we can't all be wrong

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How are we 'so much weaker than last year', when we've only sold bad players?

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2 or 3 injuries away fromThursday night football if we are lucky

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Because those "bad players" were potential replacements in case of injuries. so now that we have sold off our bench, we are definitely weaker!

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29 Jul 2013 20:18:34
What is happening at arsenal F. C players leaving the club
that's fine as the players that have gone or going are not up to the job at arsenal but where are the replacements the squd is light as hell now I have looked every day at this site and other football sites still nothing we are signing this player then that player but still just one free transfer starting to get a bad feeling we will end up with panic buys like we did a couple of seasons ago

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29 Jul 2013 20:02:22
{Ed027's Note - Vote on the new polls made today!}

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That was a good one Ed!

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29 Jul 2013 19:55:34
Not arsenal related but what's the best pubs around wembley going there next month

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The torch

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The green man is quality

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29 Jul 2013 19:30:17
Is this Monaco interest in Santi real?

Talk of £45m?

IF you were to sell who would you replace him with (dream scenario) for me il bid £40m on Ozil if not Hamsik

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Cazorla is going nowhere.

We no longer need to sell our best players to raise funds we have the money

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Cesc

1404
Say no to Suarez

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Ermm Cesc.
Flybo

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Ozil
Hamsik
Cesc
Coutinho

In no specific order except Cesc first.

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Coutinho is not for sale at any price {Ed027's Note - every player has a price, I know you're a LFC fan and you rate him very highly (as I do) but we all know if Barca/Madrid come knocking for any of OUR players, they'll be off for a decent fee

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29 Jul 2013 19:16:04
Being an arsenal fan during the transfer period is depressing! Come on AW spend some money!

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Patience big deals take time. You want top players right?

What club wants to sell their best players.

It will take weeks of negotiations to secure our transfer targets but we will sign some players.

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29 Jul 2013 21:15:15
With our track record losing/linked with players cahill mata Higuain, I fully understand how you feel mate. Wenger has a value and its not always what the club what to sell at. So what if cahill had only had 12 months on his contract. 9m for a player of his talent and age, plus English. let's face it, the only players we get are the ones who have no one interested in but us. In the clubs defence Madrid were out of line regarding Higuian. km.

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Crap, villa was sold in 3days if teams want action they will get it, Wenger is stringing us all along. again

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Big deals don't take time for man city and others. Namely 'jovetic'
Sw18

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Mate what have our negotiators been doing since June, we are 20odd day till the season starts, time has run out for us, do we want a couple of days to bed them in what have they been up to all

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29 Jul 2013 19:09:07
Suarez is a fighter and is exactly what we need, apart from Wilshere and possibly Rambo, the rest are soft. Now take Suarez, he stands his ground, he bites, guys he will bring steel to the team. Wenger get him now, please.

Mofaya

Ps, did I mention he bites!

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Couldn't agree more mate. We need more of those fighters to boost our teams mental strength.

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29 Jul 2013 18:46:56
Ok, so hear me out.
I agree with the widely known thought of fellow Arsenal fans, that we need a DM, to anchor the midfield next to Wilshere a choice of Cesc or a TOP defensive mid, would be really difficult, we need one more than the other, but. Cesc. well, I'd have him back in a heartbeat, the only player input current team I'd have over Fab is Jack, and that's a big call considering just how much I love Santi.
I'd love Fellaini, Bender, De Rossi or Vidal for that role so much, but out of those, I kinda see the first two as the only real possibilities, and I think Fellaini will stay, for a season more at Everton if nobody bids by tomorrow (1st of August his clause expires isn't it?) and thanks to the sale of Schrulle to Chelsea and Carvjal back to Madrid, Leverkussen don't NEED to sell any players.
So to be fair, I'd be happy with Ettienne Capoue (who is avaliable for around £10m, so I assume if we wanted him, we'd of moved by now) or Gary Medel, who I really like, even if he hasn't been standout this season.
His teammate Kondogbia has been linked with us, and people here really seem keen on him, but why!
Doesn't paying £12m for a 20 year old who could be completely hit and miss in England take us right back to square one in our transfer methods?!
If it was WITH someone else, I'd say go for it, but as the sole Midfield signing, I'm not sure.

I also agree that we need a CB, as we're currently short, and I just don't trust Iggy YET, he did well on tour, but Nagoya Grampus, etc forwards are hardly the same as having Hazard, Bale or Suarez running at you full pelt is it.
Ideally we need someone with EPL experience (though I will say we should of made moves for Albiol from Madrid.
Wenger should of gone all out for Higauin and Albiol, instead of letting Napoli go for them, but hey-ho, Le Prof works in mysterious, infuriating ways)
Williams has been put out there, and I'd take him no doubt, but would anyone else think that moving for Fulhams Hangeland (spelling sorry!) would be ideal?
Yes, he's like 31, but he's been solid at his time there, and is very Mertesaker-esque.
Alongside TV5 or LK6, he'd be ideal I feel!
Plenty of EPL knowledge and wouldn't cost a ridiculous amount, for what I think would be a good signing for us!
That said, I wouldn't mind moves for Marc Bartra or Victor Ruiz of Barca and Valencia respectivley, but hell pipe dreams!

Again I agree with the notion we need a GK, Cesar would be great, and I think Chelsea pulled a great trick to sign Mark Schwarzer.
I must say, I'm losing confidence in Szczesny as first choice number one.
He's still young, but he's had a fair time in the number 1 spot, and he still hasn't made it his own.
I'd like us to go out, buy an older, first choice and make Szczesny WORK his way back to number one.
Igor Akinfeev, Volkan Demeriel, Federico Marchetti, Emilliano Viviano and Steve Mandanda would all be up to the Job I reckon, but would be a bit pricey, especially Akinfeev, as oil rich Russian teams never have to sell!
But hey, maybe I'm wrong!

This long rant/statement/whatever you wanna call it, leads to my main point.

The striker.

I'd of taken Higuain in a heartbeat.
Because I class him up there with others I'd take instantly too.
Benzema, Balotelli, Eto'o, Huntelaar, Rooney (to a lesser extent).
I'd also take Ibrahimovic, but that's another dream!

Apart from those sort of players, I don't think a striker is priority.
(Pause for angry retorts)

I think, allowing Podolski to be used as a striker, played wide when NEEDED, would see us.
I think our priority needs to be a winger.
A winger who can score, create, draw runs, the whole package.
Walcott is great, but again, I can't help but see him as a striker forced wide now.

The other big teams in the country, in fact the world, all have wingers who will win you a game themselves.

Hazard for Chelsea
Silva for City
Lavezzi for PSG
Ronaldo for Madrid
Robben and Ribery for Bayern
Reus for Dortmund
Kagawa for Utd
Bale for them down the road
El Sharawaay for Milan
Giovinco for Juventus
Sanchez/Messi for Barca

And I could go on, maybe some of those aren't exactly top class, Giovinco and Lavezzi aren't exactly world stars, but I hope you get my point.

That's what Arsenal need in my eyes, and it's a case of who.

There's a few candidates, people will throw out names like the heavily linked Bernard, people will say Hulk, or Ayew or players of that Ilk.

But why not Di Maria?

Di Maria is on his way out of Madrid, that much is looking pretty certain.
He's apparently going to be offered to the spurs in P/E for Bale along with Coentrao.

I don't see levy selling this year, as much as I dislike him, you can't doubt he's a ridiculous negotiatior.

They want cash to go for Bale, and trying for Di Maria (though I'm convinced Madrid hate us for refusing to sell them Viera in his prime, Henry in his, and more recently Cesc)
Just go all out, test the water with a bid under £20m, see the response, then just go for it.
I can't see Di Maria costing more than Suarez, but I see him doing better, and offering more!

That's my stance anyway.

Sorry for the epic!

D

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Intelligently written. Good points in abundance.

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Excellent post and I've always rated Di Maria very highly - has the same technical ability as RVP.

The musts are:

- CB (preferably a versatile one who can play RB + LB).
- DM
- I'm getting used to the idea of Suarez and £50mil a no go so a versatile winger will do and push Podolski or Theo into the middle to replace Giroud pending injuries/rest.

In terms of names I have gone on and on about names in my head over the years and clearly mine and AWs ideas are different. I just hope the right acquisitions are made soon.

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Nice one mate. I agree about Kondogbia - he looked average for France, and Medel has the better stats and apparently was the overall better of the two last season. I don't think Kondogbia is as good as Coquelin and he can't get into the side so this would be stupid imo, in fact I even think Yennaris is better.

100% agree we need a CB too!

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29 Jul 2013 18:10:57
Couple of things, emirates cup is on BTsport for those who were asking last week. It is a great day though if your able to make it. Expensive for both days but still good to go to.

On the voting page could I suggest a vote on trading Theo to get Suarez? I wouldn't but others might.

I think the squad will remain the same till after CL qualifiers in the main. Think its wrong but just way I see it.

Holmesy {Ed027's Note - i'll make a poll mate

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29 Jul 2013 04:38:04
God am I the only one tired of hearing about Cesc going to United? what an insult this would be to the fans after last years van persie transfer!

At what point are we going to stop looking like persons next to these other elite clubs?

Scooby Dooby K

PS EDs I forgot the login and password associated with my auto login. can you guys help me?

{Ed033's Note - How about registering again if you have forgotten your username otherwise you could go to the forgot password page

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Have you or anyone who is panic stricken about Cesc MAYBE going to Utd thought that MAYBE Arsenal don't want him back now?

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29 Jul 2013 16:57:14
is suarez saying he is not sure of us getting into ucl group stages incase we don't he not so sure,
stone me is that not we paying near 50 million for,
its your job suarez to make sure that does not happen,

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Is any one else fed up with hearing this cl crap, we have been in the cl for 14 years, who have we attracted? Money talks not cl. Places so spend some

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29 Jul 2013 16:56:38
It appears that Wenger hasn't changed course at all. So far we have sold Mannone, are in the process of selling Gervinho. We have released Arshavin, Santos, Squilacci & Denilson. Loaned out DJourou, Campbell & Coqulein.
We have bought in, one low cost 20 year old forward.
The squad looks weaker than last season. Its frightening.
We are desperately short of centre backs, being down to our last two fit experienced ones and that's before the season starts. With Vermaelen out for 3 months and Miquel clearly not ready, we urgently need to bring in an experienced quality centre back. We also, need a defensive midfield player. In effect we don't have one true defensive midfield player. However, the excellent Arteta has made the transformation to this role. I would prefer Wilsher to play in a more advanced position. Abu Diaby is more offensive & out until December in any event. I am still not a fan of Ramsey, finding him lacking in pace for a top premier club. We also need a wide player to cover for the imminent loss of Gervinho. Neither Gnabry nor Miyaichi are ready yet to step up to the first team on a regular basis and we don't have cover for Giroud. I can see Wenger signing a couple of younger players, but that's about it:
Squad excluding youngsters: Szczesny & Fabianski
FB: Sagna, Jenkinson, Gibbs & Monreal
CB: Vermaelen, Koscielny, Mertesacker.
DM: Arteta, Wishere & Ramsey
AM: Cazorla, Rosicky, Walcott, Podolski & Chamberlain
F: Giroud

I have omitted the injured Abu Diaby.

That makes 18 1st team experienced 1st team players, when you are permitted 25 over 21 players.

We must not be hoodwinked by the results on tour, as they were against relatively weak opponents. Taking into account the 3 remaining friendlies and the additional CL qualifiers, I can't imagine what state our squad will be in by the end of September.
I wish Wenger would wake up and sign at least 4 quality, experienced players, other wise we will once again have a fight on our hands to finish fourth.

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But we have excellent prospects in Eisfield, Gnabry, Akpom, Miquel, which are on the verge of 1st team football.

I'm excited by Eisfield. He looks the real deal!

Also. I actually want Suarez. We should pay the £50m Liverpool want. Keep him for a couple of seasons and make him better. Then sell him to Real or Barca for £80-90m!

I'd also pay £50m to see Liverpool in a relegation dog fight! HA!

Suarez will come! I can feel it!

cammy out!

xxx

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We are not weaker than last year. We were very unsettled last year to start but now Giroud is settle and Pods is healthy, defence is confident - look how we finished last year. We are no worse than 3rd right now with chance for 1st with some signing (s) and health!

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I think he well. As you noted a lot of players have gone. He must have intentions to sign a number of players.

In past seasons we have to balance the books and sell, with the profits paying off debt.

We don't have to do that any more- wenger is making room, getting rid of players with wages he doesn't see will add anything to the squad, etc.

I predict we will make 5 signings.

May sound crazy now, but I would not be surprised at all.

As to who these signings will be and how good they are, we'll have to see.

But we will make signings.

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I agree with you Robbie G, the squad is painfully thin. The 2 positions that I thought needed to be looked at quite urgently in the transfer window (centre back and dm)have been put on the back burner due to Higuain/Suarez mini series. I know AW must have been peeved with RM for suddenly putting up Higuain, s price but what AW has to remember that most clubs when dealing with transfers do not have the business ethics that he holds so dear to his heart. At this moment in time I cannot see any major signings coming before the start of the season. If things go pear shape early on then the buck stops with him and this is one Gooner who won't be in forgiving mood. If players don't come in I would not want to see repeat of August 2011. On the bright side side Eisfeld/Gnabry, Miyachi, Akpom and Zellemem look good prospects and these I would like to see get their chance, but we need a quality cb and dm. One thing I would like to say on the Suarez thing is our club is run on strict financial guide lines and here we are willing to part with over 40 to 50 mill and pay a player almost a million in wages before he kicks a ball for us. Lastly if it came to personal choice for the striker mine would be Rooney
Thanks for the site Ed

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The last game of the tour was the only team of half decent quality, and then Arsenal struggled a bit. Yes its pre-season, and no the results are not overly important, but still, certain weaknesses of our squad were illuminated, and need to be addressed.
Akpom is a natural goal scorer, but if he played a premier league game, he would get bullied out of the match. Miyachi would offer about as much defensive cover as giroud (none), and as you say, Miquel isn't ready yet.

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You forgot we also signed a 16 year old from villa still plenty of time for signings

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29 Jul 2013 16:54:53
And as if by clockwork, John Cross publishes the 'Wenger would rather develop a kid than sign a star' rubbish.

Wenger, hundreds of kids have passed through our doors and you've developed an average of less than one world class player a year. Stop kidding yourself. If you knew how to develop players then Chamakh would be scoring 20 a season, Theo would our 30-goal frontman, Szcesny wouldn't go backwards, Fabianski would be first choice for the last 2 years, Miquel wouldn't still be built like a pussy, Coquelin would be a world class DM by now. Etc etc etc. Oh and Jack wouldn't currently look like your worst midfielder by a country mile. He's gone from knowing when to pass and shoot, after taking it round players, and he's gone from making himself available by playing between the lines like Arshavin and Cesc before him, to looking sloped-shouldered, afraid to shoot, unavailable and in good space for passes (anyone who actually studied his games last season will know this) and overall he has digressed and that is not because of a lack of playing time. Wilshere lost the ball more times than any other arsenal player and he only played half the season. Explain that. Coaching. Truth is it's not really good enough these days, we don't develop anyone well enough in the reserves and hardly anyone makes it, so Wenger, stop kidding yourself, and make the damn signings we need to win trophies! Rant over!

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Metal the Master! I was constructing a similar rant and you beat me to it.
Why didn't AW go to Real or PSG?
Because they would DEMAND that he spent fortunes. His bottle has gone, so he continues with "the best squad yet" crap, and "we develop" players.
There are great players out there. It's sad that Mr. Stubborn won't change!
Just fallen down 4 steps (wallpapering), and Gooner mate calls with spare ticket for Saturday! Oh well. suckered again.

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Agree about the need for transfers disagree about Arsenal's ability to develop talent.

Jack has been getting back into the groove after a long injury (a la Ramsey). Theo has been (bar 2 seasons back) been getting better year on year.

Ramsey is coming good. One of the most effective players in the league over the last 10 games in my opinion.

Sczezzer is damn young for a keeper (23) and will improve.

Gibbs is a really fine player and has been growing season on season. Future England LB.

Kos was nothing until we bought him and will mature into one of the top 4 players in his position in the world.

Chambo will be awesome, though trajectory has slowed expect this to pick up when playing centrally.

Jenko was bought as an unknown with only a couple of games for Charlton and pushed Sagna hard for that RB slot.

Bellerin will be one of the best players we have in 2 seasons.

Zelahem (spelling) looks like an amazing prospect.

Fact is that we have a better track record than any of the top 4 clubs in the EPL over the past 7 years in developing young players.

However we will not win the league without buying more players. Ironically we will find it harder to develop them if they are not supported by stronger players.

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You are clearly a Pratt how can you make what can only be seen as stupid comments about wilshere going backwards he only came back from a year long injury and was clearly not fully fit. Plus he only played a hand full of games so how can you judge his performances by that . If he's fit all season he will without doubt be one of best players in the league I bet you will change your tune then

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Totally agree metal, not so much a rant just observations. Unless we sign 3/4 decent signings I fear for the embarrassment that will be next season have cleared out so many that we are a couple injuries away from Thursday night football at best, may even find ourselves like the pool with nothing to do all week

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29 Jul 2013 19:41:06
Just run by me who Chelsea, Utd or Man City have made over the last few years, between them I can think of Tom "donkey" Cleverly.

Guess SAF, and all the other managers must be to blame, even long term managers such as Moyes at Everton never produced any one of note.

Apart from Southampton who seem to do it for a past time who else does.

Your obvious annoyance with Wenger means he takes it for everything. He is not perfect by any stretch but having waited 8 years you just as well be patient and wait until this window closes and then I'll join you in saying he is a complete Jack ass if he has not purchased the necessary players.

Reference Jack, he came back from a long long lay off and played so well he got recalled for England against Brazil and maybe I watched another Jack Wilshere get motm. He will come back, he had another lay off and it takes time, he has ability in spades and Wenger is not to blame for Jack taking his foot off the gas until he's comfortable with his fitness and strength.

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I know Jack's a touchy subject so will respect anyone's take on it, but I saw what I saw and that was a guy who was doing the same things wrong every game. That's not fitness. It's coaching. Nobody in the training staff picked up on the fact that Jack was mostly hanging around next to Arteta who could then only pass sideways, instead of pushing forward into a gulf of space in front of him. Sometimes there was 25 yards on front of him without a single player in, and he was 5 yards away from Arteta. Just walking about. I know his injury will take time to get over but that shouldn't affect his ability to see a massive space in front of him and think 'hang on, if I fill that then Arteta has an outlet and I can feed the attack. ' So what did he do? Pick it up deep, take on about six players and lose the ball. Fine, a few times, but this was a trademark of every single game he played last season. Why nobody is pointing it out is worrying to me. If it doesn't bother you guys that's fine, but to me it's nothing to do with his injury, it's about our coaching staff.

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Crazy 88, metal is right something wrong with coaching at club players don't develop as fast as should and 100% get injuries more than should as well, but the difference with us and mancs or chelski is Wenger thinks he knows what he's doing they realize they aren't any good at it and buy off someone who is

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29 Jul 2013 16:28:54
In my opinion the best case scenario for current transfer affairs.

Real Madrid turn attention to Suarez and give up pursuit of Bale. Liverpool will be considerably weakened, and Tottenham don't receive enough money to buy 4-5 top class players. Think about it do we really need a ST? I can think of 4 position we need cover in more. Liverpool won't be able to attract top talent anyway. But with £80m+ Spurs could buy a lot of good players and become stronger than ever. Atleast with Bale they are one injury away from a collapse.

Instead of spunking £50m on Suarez we can greatly increase overall strength of squad and compete.

Cesar (£1m)
Rami (£9m)
Bender/Fellani/Cesc (£25m)
Muriel (£12m-£15m)

I would much rather the latter tbh than a volatile Suarez who will more than likely be in Spain 2-3 years from now.

Detroit Gooner

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29 Jul 2013 18:12:52
Spuds are owned by Joe Lewis. that's where they get their money from. look how much they have spent in the last 2 to 3 years. Google him to see how much he is worth. They are close to signing a Spanish forward for 30m euros. so selling Bale doesn't affect their ability to buy players. km

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29 Jul 2013 16:10:29
Just a thought, but if we can afford Suarez for 45M and Bernard for 22M together with the odds and sods we are after, I wonder if we would have looked at Gareth Bale? The wages of those two and others would be enough to put together a huge package for him. Obviously there may be other issues like 'He doesn't want to come to Arsenal' but I do wonder if that has been given any thought. Your thoughts welcome.

Samkt

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Wtf
1 u can offer 200 million levy still won't sell him to u
2 he does not won't to go to arsenal he can play for a much better side if he was too leave {Ed027's Note - 200 million is a bit too far, just like your CL hopes!

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29 Jul 2013 16:09:18
A rant on Suarez and the moral dilemma (of which there isn't one).

Arsenal stood by Wilshere when fighting outside a nightclub, Bendtner the same (several times). Chamakh smoking that Shish thing. RVP when he was accused of rape. Adams drink driving etc. There's more too.

Get off your high horse. All people like to do these days is claim they are morally superior than another, all from the comfort of their armchair.

Suarez is not a racist. Evra even said as much in his statement.

Now, onto my personal view of Suarez.

I hate diving. Unfortunately some players do it. Santi goes down easy, Walcott too, hell even Arteta rolls around like he's been shot on occasion. Point is, it's a small detractor when talking about someone who could rip defences apart.

The dive in front of (Moyes I think) was hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing. Love that kind of humour. "Oh, you don't like me. You'll enjoy this then!"

Him biting Ivanovic. A bigger detractor. A grown man biting another is just funny to me, especially if he bit someone like Shawcross. Downside is that he'd miss a lot of games. Suarez giving Ivanovic a small flesh wound is nowhere near as bad as ending someone's career a la Keane or kicking a fan in the head a la Cantona. Perspective!

As for the Evra thing. As unpopular an opinion it may be. What he said is no worse than calling someone ugly. Still not nice but doesn't make you a racist. Racism is about oppression etc. Plus, Suarez own Grandmother is black. So.

Essentially, get off your damn high horse!

The way some of you go on, you'd think he should be punished by death.

Big players tend to have baggage.

How many of you know this?

Anelka left because Vieira slapped him in the face with his penis. It's true, in Anelka's book. To me that's hilarious BUT imagine how utterly humiliated he felt. And if we are this morally upper class club why didn't we treat it as sexual assault? As, in a court of law that would count.

Little joke: Anelka said it was 14" so you could maybe get assault with a deadly weapon too ;)

People losing their minds over the fact that he bit someone and called another a bad name. Oh dear, should we just stop football if these atrocities keep happening?

Fact is, people need to lighten up and move on. Just because the media big something up doesn't make it a massive issue.

From an Arsenal standpoint the ONLY issue is that he'll likely miss games. Risk vs Reward. Morals got bugger all to do with it.

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Very honest and in parts funny post NI Gunner.

Totally agree. Having read the autobiographies of a few players (Adams especially) players do things wrong. We don't want angels (or as Gary Neville said) Robots on the pitch.

It would be bloody boring if he did nothing wrong as no-one would have anything to talk about.

Looking at it from a footballing point of view, its a no brainer. He's a footballing genius. Think about it? Would Man Utd, City, Chelsea or Liverpool (especially) want him on our team? No. Therefore, we'd already be 1-0 up in the tunnel. Think about it!

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If your right, then I don't want to be.
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29 Jul 2013 19:47:54
Couldn't agree more, it's probably the same people who are slating Saurez who want Ashley Williams here and we all know he nearly killed RVP with a football for gods sake!

How soon some fickle fans forget, think how many games Williams would have missed on a lifer!

;-)

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29 Jul 2013 16:06:51
According to talkSPORT, Gervinho will leave to Roma once Roma has sold another player. Not only are we able to sell Gervinho, but I also think it's the perfect opportunity to make a bid for De Rossi. He is a true general in the midfield. Ed, have we made an inquiry about De Rossi and is Roma willing to trade him? I think Gervinho plus £5 million would be enough {Ed027's Note - No we have not, Roma wanted to trade Osvaldo, we are concentrating on Suarez. 5m + Gervinho what are you smoking? lol that values De Rossi at 11.9m, he's worth double that imo, he's world class

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You're right Ed. It's a low evaluation. I thought I read 14m somewhere. It's actually around 20m

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29 Jul 2013 15:55:29
I wish everyone would stop going on about Suarez and his 6 match ban.

The amount of our players who have missed large chunks of the season through injury, I mean we lost Jack Wilshere for well over a season. Who cares about 6 effing games.

He is exactly the type of player we need, with the amount of chances we create he would score a hatful each week.

When we had Henry, defenders would be sh*ting themselves, thinking how the hell are we going to stop him this week, because they were scared. Defenders would be scared to come up against Suarez and our attacking mob behind him. He would turn them late draws into wins. Stick a competitive DM in there as well and then its game on.

Between Me and my mates we have a selection of supporters of Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs etc, but not one of them fear us, it's always we should get 3 points today or when you going to win something. I will always back Arsenal to the ground but it does get a bit tiresome hearing the same thing over and over again.

Please Wenger, do the right thing and makes some of the deals happen. COYG

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Think about it. Players will play 50-60 games a season in all competitions.

Say Suarez signs a 4 year deal. that's 240 games. He plays 234. Will anyone notice?

Also, has anyone thought about how fresh Suarez will be having an extended summer holiday leading into a new season. He's getting match fit and will train as normal like everyone else. Imagine a fit and firing Suarez with a point to prove?

He would be the difference between a 1-1 draw away at Stoke and 3 points. He would be the difference between getting beating home or away by Man Utd, City or Chelsea.

THINK ABOUT IT. ?

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29 Jul 2013 15:54:17
Ed do u think we'll see a signing this week? {Ed027's Note - not really, nothing big anyway

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29 Jul 2013 15:48:05
Hi Ed,

Could you do a poll whether people would prefer a new signing or keep Gervinho? {Ed027's Note - of course mate, done!

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29 Jul 2013 15:39:29
Hey guys,

Maybe it's a stupid question but with Giroud playing how he played in pre season and podolski and Walcott both linking well is it the end of the world if we don't sign a striker?

I want a midfielder as much as the next guy, Fabregas or Fellani would be great along with a renowned defender and a keeper and to be honest I'd be happy.

Thoughts?

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29 Jul 2013 15:19:02
All this gooners sayin I hope we don't sign Suarez. R actually hopin/prayin/wishin that we sign Suarez. Being a big team (like we all want Arsenal 2 b) is bout dealin wit big egos.
Nam-gooner

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29 Jul 2013 15:48:05
IDOTS. taking amoral high ground. we need quality. Suarez is quality. km

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All Arsenal fans are actually spud fans.

Was just trying to come up with a response more rediculous then the original post.
Flybo

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29 Jul 2013 15:04:45
RIP chucho Benitez




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This. Can't believe that he passed away. Just saw him in the 2nd leg of the Liga MX final v. Cruz Azul in the pouring rain at the Azteca.

Sincerest condolences go out to his friends and family.

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29 Jul 2013 14:52:08
Hi fellow Gooners. not seen any mention of it but has Sanogo been on the tour of Asia or was he given time off after the Euro's? {Ed027's Note - time off

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He'l be in the squad for the Emirates Cup.

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29 Jul 2013 14:42:11
R. I. P. Christian 'Chucho' Benitez. Incredibly sad to see anyone die so young.

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Agreed- tragic.

LG

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Rip fella

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Such a shame to see someone go especially at that age. RIP

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RIP Benitez.

For me its extremely worrying that another professional athlete has died from a heart attack. Several sportsmen (particularly footballers) have suffered cardiac arrests in the last few years. Most notably Muamba recently. This appears to be happening quite a lot recently and I wonder what the issue is?

Source: Equadorian FA and Benitez's club.

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29 Jul 2013 14:24:14
'Its Christmas season Wenger playing Scrooge again.

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29 Jul 2013 14:04:18
Its laughable that one person has come on to the site and using the source 'el pais'. Since when has this been a well known reliable source? Just because it comes from spain doesn't mean its correct, infact I know its complete rubbish. Just look at marca and as. Fabregas will NEVER join man utd. Suarez WILL be a gooner soon, whether some of you like it or not.

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29 Jul 2013 13:27:06
Not sure why people get annoyed at Wenger about the whole higuain saga. It's not his fault the price suddenly went up.

As if anyone buying a car starting to agree around 4000 would then accept seller turning round and saying actually mate I want 6000. You would walk away.

I'm glad we turned our back on the deal as it was disgraceful by Madrid to suddenly do that

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True but iff were willing to pay 40 plus million on suarez I don't see why we should be put off paying 34m for higuain who is a class act. we will probly end up with neither now. gooner wayne

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29 Jul 2013 15:56:57
Higuain is a great goalscorer. Suarez is both great goal scorer and great player. The later doesn't rely on good service but can generate chances himself. km

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I was going to post the exact same yesterday. beat me to it.

totally agree

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If we had stumped up the 27m they were after we could have had the deal tied up before PSG threw the cat amongst the pigeons by stuffing Napoli's pockets with cash therefore making Real think they could get more for him and upping the price

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I can see both sides to this one. I agree with both. If we'd coughed up for Higuain I'd have been so happy but also felt Madrid pulled a fast one and didn't deserve our business. But we walked away and I would have done too whilst other options could still be explored so fair dos to Wenger.

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29 Jul 2013 13:21:42
well if we don't buy any players we'll do ok in the league I think, not well but as good as this year.

spurs on the other hand are going to lose bale. and the fact they want to resist it might mean they also miss out on spending the bale money.

so for that reason I see it as a successful transfer window haha!

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What its successful because of goings on at another club jeees what ambition you have, get a grip man we shouldn't be concerning about bale more about fabregas or suarez forget spurs I personally don't think bale goes modric didn't until levy wanted to

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So if the spurs get 90million for bale or di maria and coentrao +cash that would be a good transfer window? I'd rather they keep bale.

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If you'd read my post you'd see I said if we miss out on buying anyone and so do spurs.

do you judge success in how much you spend?

id rather be a realist than have ambition and be ignorant.

us + no one
us - chaff

spurs + risky signing
spurs - their game changer

if it ended like that I wouldn't cry, i'd be disappointed but i'd have a silver lining. them missing out on spending untill january would eat into that cash significantly. and clubs would be harsh with them just like they are with us, however I think we have more pull than spurs do.

and dave 'get a grip'? i'm not the one who thinks he knows how levy thinks because of one past experience with a totally different player. i'm trying to be realistic.

Has arsene made huge signings before. no.
Has spurs held on to any amazing players?
no.

and tbh i'd rather us be successful over spurs than win a cup.
to me beating your rival beats beating random competition.
maybe i'm not competitive enough, or maybe i'm deathly loyal. either way our opinion obviously differs, god help arsene at trying to appease all of us!

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29 Jul 2013 13:13:17
Some united fans think cesc has got a release clause of £35m-£40m but it is set at £175m (€200m).

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He does actually. But unfortunately for them only we can activate it.

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Buy back clause isn't the same as release is it?

also utd would have to bid that 200m for barca to HAVE to accept it, but then we'd get the chance to have him back for 35m.

this is all off the top of my head

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The clauses with Cesc are as follows.

Arsenal and ONLY Arsenal can buy back Cesc Fabregas for £34.5m at any point, as long as Cesc wants to leave.

Any club in the world can buy him back for 200m euros. (All players who play in Spain MUST have a release clause in their contracts. Messi's is £250m).

Arsenal have first refusal, meaning that if Barcelona accept any bid, we must be informed and we MUST decline to buy to for above price of £34.5m. It doesn't matter what the other club has bid. Say Manchester United bid £40m and it was accepted. We could still buy him for £34.5m.

Finally, if Arsenal turn down the opportunity to sign Cesc. We would receive 50% of any monies Barcelona receive over £25m. Therefore if Barca accept a bid of £40m then Arsenal would receive £7.5m.

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29 Jul 2013 12:18:16
Lot’s of people are continuingly slating LS for one thing or another.

He’s a cheat…. why? Because he dives or goes down too easy in the area. I think we’ve had a few players who might have been deemed to go down too easy at one time or other.

He’s been racist, bites people…. Come on is that any worse than breaking a leg with a reckless challenge, jumping into the crowd and fighting a supporter?
Infact how many of us probably laughed when seeing him bite Ivanovic and I’m not racist or don’t agree with it, but come on things are said during matches. I’m sure he’s been called an ugly buck toothed C$$$ before or probably worse. In fact my missus still thinks we have three players playing for us called, W**k*r, Pr*t and C**t.

Anyhow at the end of the day if he was to improve our team and push us on to better things, then I’m all for it. How many of you would tell him to pee off if he scored the winning goal in a final.

And don’t go down the road of he will bring shame to our great club…. Come on guys did we castigate Keown, Parlour etc. for what they did to Ruud Van, did we hell. Did we castigate any of our players who got into the ruck at OT which saw us docked 2 pts and could have cost us the title, did we hell.

Let’s give the guy a chance ……. that’s if we get him, if we don’t then he can F Off! the ugly buck toothed whatsit!

Estepona gooner

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Racism no worse then breaking a leg in a reckless challenge, o. k I see that point. Let's hope Theo, Ox, Sagna, Gibbs, Diaby, Frimpong, Sanogo, Gnabry,
Afobe etc all agree with you.

I for one didn't laugh when he bit an opponent for the second time in his career. I thought "the guys f**kin crazy!"

Yes we have had players who dive, and it's an embarrassment.

I would say 8 years without winning a trophy has left some fans so desperate that they are willing to overlook certain morals. Then there are others that never had them in the first place.

People go on as if he's the only one that can bring us success. Grow up people. Liverpool fans embarrassed themselves last year. His antics belong in a place where class and decorum have yet to mature in a club, I. e chavski.

Top class G. k, defender, d. m, winger and we'de be in a healthier position then spunking 50m on Suarez.
Flybo

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There's a big difference between being racist, and saying something racist because your doing it deliberately to effect your opponent. Zidane's headbutt in that worldcup is a good example of how effective insulting your opponent can be. Very hard to believe that in a football team that is totally mixed race, footballers can be freely and openly racist. It doesn't happen, and if it does, very rarely i'm sure.

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30 Jul 2013 02:06:54
@estepona: world class post, I was lauging my head off to it

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29 Jul 2013 12:10:31
Just had a thought (yes it is unusual. )

Just seen pics of Cesc on TV wearing a hoodie with the same sponsor that will be sponsoring our shirts from 14/15 season.
He wears the sponsors boots too obviously.

Barcelona, Martino, Wenger and Cesc himself have all come out and said that he's not going anywhere this season.

Could this mean that Cesc "comes home" next season as an Arsenal player to be presented at various kit launches etc for the new sponsor? The sponsors would be very keen for this, arsenal fans would be very keen and Cesc I am sure would be keen to stick it out one more season at barca, win a trophy or two and then come back.

Like I said, just a theory that just came to me.

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Fabregas has a sponsorship deal with puma

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Sorry to burst your bubble but its a no as he already sponsored by puma so this means nothing at all
Ali

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I posted this original post. Just wasn't signed in.

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I know he's already sponsored by Puma Ali. That was half my point!

Puma could have Cesc as their poster boy for Puma AND Arsenal. It would link nicely with their sponsorship which starts next season!

That was my whole point!

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29 Jul 2013 11:54:18
Does anyone else feel the afc board are mugging us off again.

LFC will sell Suarez for 50m but wenger still underbidding

Fellani buyout clause 23m wenger offering 20m

I have a gut feeling Real Madrid will get Suarez and Man U Fellani and we will be told stories we tried but nothing.

If spurs sell Bale and investment that money no chance we will finish fourth.

Does anyone else get these feelings or is just me panic?

Tony G

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It's Groundhog Day all over again.

Stupid and pointless bids made that will never be accepted to then panic buy players like Santos, Park etc. and say
things like:

"We tried but. The bigger boys! They outbid us!"

"Anyone want to buy an Andre Santos replica shirt?"

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That's pretty much how it will pan out - Wenger's half hearted bids, then some panic value buys at the end of the window.

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You're panicking mate!

. and so am I!

I'm trying to keep the faith and believe the top drawer signings are on the way but it is getting more difficult by the hour!

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Yep.
Wenger and the board taking us for a ride again.
4th place at best, and that will be tough.
Fans need to stand up and do something about this

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Who told you we offered 20m?

A few months ago every newspaper in the country and journalist reported we triggered his release clause and then they went on further to say we offered him 70kpw and were not willing to pay his 100kpw demands.

so where has this 20m offer come from?

It would make absolutely no logical sense for us to bid below a release clause because it's non negotiable they don't want to sell him if we activate his clause they can't do anything but they
sure won't except less than that.

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Many people are saying this will be a very active week in terms of our transfers because apparently we are supposed to have one or two signings before our emirates cup. I guess you'll have your answer this week.

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That might all happen but don't think either of those players are worth that amount. We do seem to have more cash to spend now but there is no way we will waste it. We will stick to Wengers value of a player and if not we will move on. Its a shame we didn't have this extra cash last year as I'm sure we would have signed Hazard if we did

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Couldn't agree more, Wenger has been making fools of the supporters for years - for gods sake he almost trots out the same platitudes year after year. Yet still a sizeable section of the fans fall for it again and again. Any other "top" club simply would not put up with it, he would have been long gone.

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29 Jul 2013 11:51:17
Two clubs that haven't made a significant signing yet - MU and Arsenal. Seems likely they'll go toe to toe for any remaing talent out there. I wonder who'll win?

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I think Manchester United have lost some of their appeal since SAF has retired.

I really feel Moyes will struggle this year. SAF had a nack of squeezing an extra few percent out of his players. Think of how many "Fergie time" goals they scored to save or win games.

I really feel that, if we make the right signings, this could be a year to challenge. The only thing is IF!

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29 Jul 2013 10:59:43
So Pepe Reina didn't know he was being loaned to Napoli. I would have been happy if we had offered £60m for Reina and Suarez, and spent another £9m on Capoue. Would still be less than the so called £70m in our war chest.

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Who have Chelsa signed? {Ed027's Note - Schurle, Van Ginkel, loan returns

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60 million for suarez and reina?

no way!

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29 Jul 2013 10:28:10
funny how people here have screamed for us to spend big for years now, and the moment we are linked with suarez they don't want him.
mr t

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That's because he is Trouble. no one had a problem with the Hig or if we bid for Cesc but to spend so much money on such a gamble is why so many people have a problem

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Think about the reasons why some of us don't want him. It's not just a black and White issue. ;-)
Flybo

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Spend big does not mean OVERPAY. Yes, higuain would have been nice but suarez is arguably the most hated Premier League player and would miss the Spurs game due to 6 match ban.

Point being, spend yes but not on c****.

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29 Jul 2013 10:09:49
Its not often my head and my heart agree on things but with regards to Arsenal and Transfers they are both on the same wave length.

Reading all the recent interviews AW has done there is no clear indication of up and coming transfers and still the old thing about giving youth a chance.

I agree we need to invest in the youth and give them a chance but with youth you need experiance and that's what we need. We outplayed both Chelsea and Spurs last year and still lost games which with an experienced head (Fellani or Williams for example) we might not of lost the games.

We all have our ideas about players we would like to come, I would like to see a Central Defender, Defensive Midfielder and Striker (Williams, Fellani and Saurez would be my choices) but there is nothing coming out of Arsenal to indicate any deals being done.

I know we have to keep our cards close to our chest as not to alert other teams of our interest in a certain player but as a fan it would be nice to hear that negotiations are taking place and things are moving on.

Swansea, Spurs, Liverpool and West Ham are signing players and doing it at a pace that beggers belief.

The board came out and said we had a £70m transfer kitty to buy the best players in the world but this statement has only made us look silly as players linked have come and gone and with only a few weeks let to the start of the season, we have no players on board.

I guess I am not alone in my thinking and will support my team through thick and thin and I have since 1971 but there comes a time then 4th place is not good enough.

We need to buy someone who can install the confidence back in the club and give us a chance to challenge on all fronts and not just pushing for 4th place.

As always In AW we trust but think its time he got the cheque book out and spend some of that money.

Rant over and COYG

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How is williams more experienced that kos. Merts or the verminator

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Trust me, you are not alone. Yes, we trust in Arsene but he doesn't make it very easy to trust, does he?

I think Arsene has to spend $ to save his eardrums from the boos that will echo around Emirates if the squad stays the way it is right now. Everyone else is strengthening we must as well.

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29 Jul 2013 09:22:11
Before the transfer window opened and also last January a lot of people on here were wanting us to sign Capoue to fill our DMF problems. I personally have not seen the guy play but I know a lot of people rate him highly.
We now know that a £9m move will get him (as he is not interested in Cardiff) so should we make an offer or is Wenger not interested?

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Personally, I have only seen him a small amount but his name seems to be banded about quite a lot.

Maybe he's quality on Football Manager or Fifa 14 and people think that must automatically work in real life.

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He's better in that d. m position then we've already got.
And would improve us, as Wanyama would have done.
Flybo

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29 Jul 2013 09:16:39
Hi Ed

if a club does not give any permission for the player to discuss transfer terms officially, do the club who wishes to buy the player can talk to the player, behind the scene. eg. dick law - suarez agent, AW - Suarez,? and if they do can they reveal thr terms of their contract and buyout clause as well.

if a player hands in a transfer request to the club, and have couple of years left on the contract, what difference it makes?

when is our UCL qualification match and with whom we are playing against is it a Spanish team?

does this match is a UEFA champions league bound match, I like to think so which makes arsenal is in champions league. what do u think? {Ed029's Note - They cannot talk to the player. They can talk to the agent.}

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The draw for the play-offs is Friday 9th August 2013.

We don't know the nationality of the team we could play yet.

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29 Jul 2013 09:07:29
I believe every player has a season that they come out all guns blazing and become the player that they are really going to be for the future. I believe TW14 just had that season for us because what last season has done is that it has set a benchmark for him now and even he cannot accept performances below what he had last season, ITS UNACCEPTABLE!

I have been watching that little boy develop and I think AW should put his trust in him as a CF. Spend loads of money in getting a quality winger or an AM because I am of the opinion that midfielders make the best wingers esp AM's.

Happy hunting season Gunners.

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I agree with you on Walcott being a CF if we play with 2 strikers, because I think with his pace and finishing he would be very hard to handle, but he does not have the ability to hold the ball up, something that is needed in a lone striker.

In regards to signing an AM to play on the wing, I disagree because I am of the opinion that when playing wide, AMs tend to drift inside and force to team to play narrow

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29 Jul 2013 08:55:04
Arsenal are interested in signing Freiburg and Germany Under-21 wonderkid Matthias Ginter for £8 million.

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29 Jul 2013 08:44:46
Suarez looking for a school and house in london, Arteta has been advising him.

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What has arteta been to asia with lfc. get a grip. suarez ain't joining arsenal. like higuain etc etc
5 gold stars

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29 Jul 2013 08:35:31
Hi chaps.
First time poster on here but have been reading posts for a long time.
Anyway just back from Barcelona (great place). And on ome of many nights out got chatting to a suited up local who told me and my mate he worked at club. No idea if he did or his name but anyway. Once football talk commenced and he found out we were gooners he proceeded to very firmly and with great confidence tell us a good froend of his was soon to wear the red and white. 1 Alexis Sanchez.
As I said could be nonsense bit he seemed genuine and was adament that he is a real target and we have been in touch. He also said Alexis is very interested and has told arsenal as much. Would come as a surprise but if true I will go back and buy this guy a beer.

Thoights?

STOCKS

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Wenger admired Alexis from when he was playing for Udinese but Barcelona paid the money and got the man. With Neymar, Messi, Pedro etc. ahead of Alexis he could be looking for a move?

He would be a great signing for us personally. A wide left winger/attacker that could free up Poldi for a striking role?

Just a thought.

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29 Jul 2013 08:15:05
Higuain's father; "Hopefully I will soon see my son in play in the premier league"

A few weeks later, moves to Napoli.

Bernard's father; "Arsenal are interested in my son"

Week later, hulk convinces him to move to Porto ahead of us.

Seriously, do players Dad's just hate arsenal?!

D

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Higuain's dad didn't HATE Arsenal. He was very excited about the prospect of his son playing for us before Real Madrid added over £10m onto his price tag. We pulled out, Napoli used some of their Cavani cash and bought him. End of.

As for Bernard, i'm not fussed if we don't spend £22m on a small brazilian winger who would get lumps kicked out of him in the premier league. He's not a GK, CB, DM or ST that we DO NEED!

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Based on this evidence I'd say the dad's are the ones who rate Arsenal, it's the players who need the convincing.

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It's Arsenals inability to negotiate a deal quick enough. We had a price agreed with RM and we should have agreed terms with Higuain and wrapped it up in 48hrs and not given Real Madrid the opportunity to raise the price by faffing around!

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29 Jul 2013 06:31:57
I would like to see us tempt Liverpool with an offer of £45m, left open for 7 days. Failing which, wait.

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28 Jul 2013 19:13:39
I guess this question is mainly directed to the Eds as they are more likely to know the answer. But anybody feel free to let me know if you do know the answer.
I often read that Barcelona still owe us money over the Fabregas and Song deals. Is that the case? and if so, how much money do they owe us? {Ed029's Note - Forget any discussion of money.}

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I'm going to tempt fate here and go all out with my belief that is is nonsense they owe us a penny, other than maybe performance-based add-ons. People keep saying they owe us for Song and Cesc and Henry and just about every guy we've sold to them. Why the hell would we sell them Song or Cesc if they still owed us? We wouldn't, surely? And not a single person can substantiate this belief that they do.

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29 Jul 2013 01:08:28
arsene was keen to bring rooney before any interest from chelsea. chelsea have bidded twice for him whereas arsene has not bidded at all. if arsene bidded 40 million on rooney he would get him rather than wasting time on suarez on fooling the fans will he get anybody?

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29 Jul 2013 07:42:04
Taking into a count his age and wages that is way to much money. 20-25m tops. Km

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We did bid for Rooney, I think it was around the £20m mark.

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29 Jul 2013 01:03:41
arsene wenger just bidding as a joke to boost fans support by bidding for suarez when himself he knows he wants a move away from England

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Hi guys proper arsenal fans support their team have some faith, it sounds like you've been round some spurs and chelski fans. Coyg it's our year

Bergkamp5353

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Exactly Dennis!

This is our year bits, big signings will come, trophies will follow!

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29 Jul 2013 00:56:52
Ed, Any clue if any transfer is happening with bernard. It has all died down recently. {Ed027's Note - I've never knew anything about it

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He's apparently going to Porto after advice from Hulk (the footballer not the Avenger or the Wrestler. )

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