Arsenal Banter Archive July 02 2015

 

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02 Jul 2015 19:21:48
Chelsea used least players and probably played more played more games than any other team last season and won the title at a canter.
City have never won the title anywhere near as easily with there rotation rotation rotation policy because of having so many big names to keep happy for so many positions something they do by paying wages the players who are not first choice automatically happy that no one else would pay them, yet their titles have come with the last kick of the season and edging a 3 way finish ahead of Chelsea and Liverpool.
The Galacticos with Zidan Beckham Ranaldo Carlos etc won very little at all.
My point is its about balance and having the biggest names in all positions doesn't guarantee success infact its very unlikely to bring anything lasting unless many of those big names actually make their name with you in the first place, like Barcelona.
Petr Cech didn't leave chelsea because he was bored playing every week he left because he wasn't playing regularly enough.
If we can get one a very top finisher would be welcome and probably a CB too but we don't need to be upgrading in every position at every opportunity because we'll just become a team of misfits

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02 Jul 2015 20:08:14
That's it in a nutshell G62. There was a lot of factors for our good run in and keeping the same team was a massive factor as well as the balance and le coq . I think city lacked motivation. The problem you can get when players go to the likes of city and get the big coin it's almost as if they have made it and are at the top where as players who are playing for less are wanting to get big money . It's an incentive thing. I also think chelsea have had a major rethink in the fact they have been a little more savy with the coin and introduced continuity. I do feel we would Benifit from a LB more than a CB. Rodriquez from wolfsburg would be a dream and a massive improvement imo

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02 Jul 2015 21:59:13
Rodriguez does look good I must admit Brow and Monreal? 50/50 for me as to whether he has enough to be a champion.
I agree with the city thing mate there doesn't seem to be much character there when the going gets tough, a coach in Brazil said during the world cup many players play their way out of poverty then stop progressing because they loose the edge that drove them to where they've reached. When you have players who are on the best pay deal they will ever get on a decent length contract but little chance of playing regularly its got to be difficult to motivate them.

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02 Jul 2015 22:14:46
Exactly mate. Chelsea are the team to beat . Once again citys targets look knee jerk and United have a lot of work to do. Mourinho said if arsenal get two or three needed improvements that we are the team to watch and as much as I don't like the guy he's very rarely wrong. Same with cech you can't blame him for not been happy we knew the same thing with RVP he was on fire that last season with us and we gave the title to United that year. Let's hope that this year is ours. COYG

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02 Jul 2015 15:50:47
Coquelin HAS earned his right to start ............full stop , he was superb last season and very much an unsung hero. Anyone signed will or should start as cover...............reason, Coquelin is now proven anyone from outside the PL won't be.

If Coquelin doesn't start then we are sending out the wrong signal to players.

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02 Jul 2015 16:21:00
Why did you pick out the word has to highlight?
But yeah fair shout!

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02 Jul 2015 17:20:49
I was championing le coq on here a long time before a lot of other people. Nothing means any player is or isn't a starter in every game except form, the problem comes when there is no credible competition for places, or strengh in depth, for me he is the only one capable of doing that job effectively. The others are either not good enough for title pushes or not holding mids in that ilk. Carvalho for instance could play with or in place of coq if needed. Arteta and flam are only Worthington mug standard now. Now attacking mids and creative we are stacked.

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02 Jul 2015 18:56:12
I think we were ruthless enough with cech, end of thr day if your going to stiffle young players, and just move them because someone else is there doesn't work. Carra made a great pt that mourinho may win titles but his teams will never be loved, how can u account for the fact that he dint play a single player frm the youth. It wasnt abt being ruthless it was more of him holdin on to his job. We shld stick
With le coq and promote the other kid or chambers to DM

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02 Jul 2015 20:23:50
Cech we know about to some extent Danny too because both have walked the walk in a premier league title side, Sanchez Mesut Kos were all pretty certain wouldn't look out of place in any title winning team but these apart everyone else we need to find out about, Lauren wasnt the world's greatest right back but he was good enough to be an invincible are Monreal Mertesacker Debuchy Belerin Ramsey Carzola Giroud Theo Ox and Le Coq?
We don't know but we need to find out.
What we do know with a certain amount of certainty is Gibbs Chambers Szczesney Artetta Flamini Rosicky are either not ready or past their best to play regularly in a title winning team but can if need be fil any gaps short term as and when needed.
We can't cover every base and every possible eventuality that may or may not crop up over a season but what we can do is put in our first serious challenge for years that may or may not be enough to win the league and judge and go from there.

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02 Jul 2015 22:40:56
I completely agree le coq did not just do a job, but rather he was excellent, one of the best DMs in the league last season I'd say. Yes, we need to sign someone for cover, but whoever it is I still say start le coq!

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03 Jul 2015 01:06:27
LT

Agreed he was superb, a real find

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03 Jul 2015 07:23:37
G62 how can judge chambers frm 1 season? And i hope u do know the situation of rosicky, where we were ruthless to take up his years extension, even wo his liking.

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03 Jul 2015 09:11:48
Hi Lyke this time last year I would have said neither Le Coq or Belerin were ready to play regularly in a title winning team but they changed my evaluation of their capabilities with their consistent performances, obviously I'd love Calum to do the same.
No sorry I'm not aware of the Rosicky situation but I'm guessing from what you put he wanted to leave but we wouldn't let him or something?

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02 Jul 2015 09:34:46
I'm personally sick of hearing we should sign a dm just for cover because Coquelin has earned to be a starter next season. He hasn't. He has earned a place in the squad but you have to earn the starting spot every day. He played really well for us and I don't want to take anything away from his performances. But every player is bound to have dips in form and injuries (and possibly suspensions) during a season.

Let's sign a dm. The best we can get. We should be aiming no lower. Do you guys think we're there yet? I don't think we are and we're not going to be if we don't push the club forward by signing players who improve squad.

Want to grant Coquelin an automatic starting spot? Sign Capoue. He's probably available. Or give Flamini a new long-term contract. Want to challenge for the title and possibly even for the Champions league? Sign Carvalho or whoever is the best option.

Always go for the players who would improve us and never sign "squad players".

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02 Jul 2015 10:24:40
On what grounds are you basing the theory Carvalho would do better in the premier league and Arsenal team than Le Coq?
Under 21 tournament? Portuguese league? Transfer fee?
What premier league DM was better than Le Coq in 2015?
Proven v potential
We should be so lucky that Le Coq is our biggest weakness and in most need of upgrading .
Maybe we try for De Gea to up grade Cech? Or Ranaldo to replace Sanchez?
Obviously there's no upgrade for Mertesacker out there anywhere that would be silly :-)

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02 Jul 2015 10:41:12
it's simple maths really, 50+ games a season. Coq 25+ other bloke 25+ everyones happy and we'll have genuine strength in depth

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02 Jul 2015 11:29:53
Excellent post Iceman

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02 Jul 2015 12:36:50
Very Good post le coq deserves a chance

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02 Jul 2015 12:45:28
You can say that about everyone. Sanchez is good but we should be looking to get the best possible LW and, even though he's been amazing, he hasn't earned his place in the team long term because you have to fight for it every day.

Cover is not a bad thing, it's is integral to a team because all players can get injured. Should we sign squad players? No. We want atleast two players fighting for every position but, I believe, if that player was for example Carvalho, Coquelin may still earn to keep his place in the starting team as we don't know Carvalho will necessarily be an 'improvement'. As long as Coquelin is doing his job tremendously, that cannot be a bad thing but we need someone to keep pushing him to perform and he needs to be of great quality so that he can do the job if Coq isn't - not a squad player. If a genuine improvement is found and Coq can't prove he is a better player, he will get replaced.

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02 Jul 2015 13:12:02
Gunner62 have I said Carvalho is better than Coquelin? I think I was quite clear when I said "you have to earn the starting spot every day". That works for every player. You are talking about replacing current (good) players while I simply see a vacant spot (or one occupied by Flamini and Arteta) to be filled. We might as well fill it with quality. I haven't even said we should sign specifically Carvalho. And I certainly haven't said anything regarding the other positions. I think you missed my point a bit.

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02 Jul 2015 14:04:59
Any player you sign should potentially be better than what you have, or don't bother. If you want to move forward.

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02 Jul 2015 15:43:46
Well Said

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02 Jul 2015 16:50:56
As an outsider I can see both sides of the argument and agree a little with both. You do need to be ruthless to win titles tho.

Personally I think Carvalho would be good for you because although he's already making a name for himself he's not too big a name to leave on the bench from time to time Imo. I would start le Coq for the first few games (out of respect) then tell them both to fight it out from there. Another bonus is that he can cover the CB position which has been an issue in the past.

The trouble is if you don't get him or someone similar and le Coq gets injured or hits poor form, you're back to square one. Buying a player you think is clearly no. 2 to le Coq is not a particularly strong move either. It is a toughy though I admit.

Cech, Carvalho and Benzema would be heading to North London if I was in Wengers shoes!

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02 Jul 2015 18:08:54
We defo need to address that area good competition for le coq I think is the best way to word it. I would like krychowiak myself. Yeah HB. Benzema would be banging. I'm glad wenger is looking at a LB aswell! I think that would really put us in with a massive shout

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03 Jul 2015 16:09:10
your kidding yourself if you think coq is anywhere near as good as carvalho, carvalho is a beast and in few years time will walk into any team he wants, barca or Madrid. If you don't sign him now and play him from day one then you will regret it big time.

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01 Jul 2015 11:08:23
Hi Eds
Can we have an update on any outgoings from the arsenal side this summer
are there any clubs interested in Flamini, Arteta, Giroud? or any other surprise players maybe?

thanks for all you hard work guys!

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{Ed002's Note - Try next week - I don't have time right now.}