Arsenal Banter Archive March 02 2018

 

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02 Mar 2018 16:01:50
16 years ago today Bergkamp scored that goal.

Yeah, you know what one.

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02 Mar 2018 16:18:24
Best player ever to put on an Arsenal shirt in my opinion Dags. What a player, and what a miracle he came to Highbury.

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02 Mar 2018 16:21:59
I'm split between Bergy and Thierry mate.

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02 Mar 2018 16:56:07
bergy all the way dags, with out the genius of bergy, henry would have scored a few less. henry for me, a very near 2nd. (along with wrighty) . could not split em. used to love watching merse, cracking player.

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02 Mar 2018 17:01:22
Bergy for me everyday of the week and 4 times on Saturdays for me and Henry was pretty special himself no question but Bergy? Wow couldn't believe it when he joined and didn't even realise at that point just how brilliant he was.

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02 Mar 2018 19:02:27
Bergy, henry, wright but i loved wrghtys enthusiasm.

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02 Mar 2018 19:10:04
Also, Henry was a bit of an unknown quantity when he first came, but Berkamp was already the real deal, so you also got that new car feeling when he signed!

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02 Mar 2018 19:25:32
Berkamp was some player.

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02 Mar 2018 19:41:21
Denis Bergkamp and Mesut Ozil for me are the two most exciting signings, I never thought in a million years we'd get either but we did and I was so happy happy happy they were Arsenal players i kept thinking I must have dreamt it.

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02 Mar 2018 20:29:45
Vieira has to be mentioned in the same breath as well in my opinion. A colossus of a player.

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02 Mar 2018 20:44:34
If we're including Vieira we have to include Ashley Cole in my opinion. The best left back I've ever seen.
Love him or hate him the bloke was an outstanding full back in both defence and attack and the best line defender I've ever seen in any position in any team, for Arsenal Chelsea and England how many goal line clearances did the man make?

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02 Mar 2018 21:31:18
henrys goals win the argument. but bergy was also special.

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02 Mar 2018 21:40:40
I think one thing we can all agree on is both Bergkamp and Henry were a joy to watch and we were both extremely lucky to have had both and to have both at the same time was a chance in a million.
Actually that's 3 things we can all agree on :-)

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02 Mar 2018 22:00:57
Dennis for me and to think he came to play for Ricoh.

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02 Mar 2018 22:16:14
BG there is a theory vierra was a rioch signing. There was a report 8 weeks earlier saying rioch was after vierra. He was signed the day after wenger joined. Google rioch signs vierra.

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02 Mar 2018 22:25:46
Although there are all sorts of conspiracy theories. Was arsenal working behind riochs back. Maybe.

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02 Mar 2018 23:03:40
For some reason Inter Milan didn't think Denis was all that Banbury and that wanted to offload him.
In the words of Julia Roberts
" big mistake, HUGE!

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03 Mar 2018 07:52:34
Wellbeck Denis and Henry for me.

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03 Mar 2018 08:50:23
Good call Tcre, forgot about Danny.

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02 Mar 2018 10:01:52
Arsene mate if you were to fall on the sword and go now and admit that you cannot turn this around, you walk with head held high and say I gave it my best but the longer this goes on the worst times will be remembered and the great great achievements and moments won't be and that in itself will be so unfair on you and the great great players you brought to this club. Kroenke must be looking at the balance sheet and projected profit column and he must have major concerns. While we are in the ELand a remote chance of Champions League I don't think the board will act so irrespective of what the result is against Brighton I think he is safe till the Ac Milan outcome. I posted the other day that despite his great achievements I have never personally warmed to him and what I think is his total lack of respect for the fans. Something has to give in the next couple of weeks either Arsenes ego or Kroenkes support for him because from where I'm standing he hasn't got a lot support player wise and even less on the terraces.

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02 Mar 2018 12:32:03
Just so you know I really don't think arsene reads the posts on here.

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02 Mar 2018 13:28:35
Yeah I gather that mate its just the way I put it. Sorry if its offended you sunshine.

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02 Mar 2018 13:39:21
64 😂😂😂.

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02 Mar 2018 13:55:12
Haha sunshine? It's called banter calm down😂.

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02 Mar 2018 13:56:56
By the way I actually agree with the post. I was just joking with the way you started it as if you was hoping arsene would read it. Didn't think I'd actually need to explain that lol.

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02 Mar 2018 14:19:49
I think Arsene not only reads the posts on here I think he actually contributes under the alias of Steve.

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02 Mar 2018 14:54:56
G62,
You could be correct.
Arsene is definitely nose-blind.

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02 Mar 2018 16:16:37
We all assume Kronke wants/ needs the club to qualify for the CL as well but my worry is does he? He is a business man with no care of our history or ambition. He will coldly work out the best way for his investment in the club to increase in value with minimal input from him. Yes, he hasn't taken a dividend from the club, but he has seen the overall value of his holding increase. To us fans it makes perfect sense to want to qualify for the CL, because you need to qualify to win it, and we assume Kronke also wants it for the bottom line too. However, what if Kronke looks at it very differently, and he works out that regular CL qualification brings in say an extra 60-100m a year, but will require a much bigger transfer budget of 100m a year to achieve it. So the potential is there to speculate to acumulate, but its more of a gamble, returns will be more volatile, and he will probably need to keep a closer eye on his investment. He then compares this to an alternate model, where we don't expect/ target CL football, and instead just target a league finish of between 6-8, boosted by the occasional trophy or top 4 finish. He then works out this can be achieved in the PL with either no or a minimal transfer budget, resulting in no major input from him, and a more guaranteed, less volatile (albeit smaller) yearly increase on his investment. My hope is our next manager is a name who quite obviously would not come to the club for option 2, such as an Allegri. However, if our next manager is someone from a lesser current club (such as an Eddie Howe type manager) stepping up, i fear that that option 2 is very much the owners ambition.

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02 Mar 2018 16:43:06
in my opinion epping no champions league changes everything and longer it goes on the worse its gets for stans investment.

with sponsorships up for renewal soon its not a great time.

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02 Mar 2018 17:22:40
To me it's got past the point of whether Champions league money is an issue or not it's about why does Arsenal football club exist, what is the purpose? Why should people support the club and why should the next generation of supporters chose Arsenal to support?
The answer can't be to keep one man happy
No matter how much I like Arsene as a person he can not be allowed to run the club down and cost us our future fan base because he was once the best manager we've ever had.
The kids of today call us Arsene FC and the only really young Gooners coming through are through family connections and family loyalty.
No neutral kids or kids who love the game but don't feel obliged to follow Arsenal will chose Arsene fc as it's become fashionable to call us in the playgrounds up and down the country.

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02 Mar 2018 19:05:48
Good post epping, we are 24 hours on from last night and wenger is still at the helm. No action means, the club can't smell failure. They are as spineless as the players. RIP arsenal football club.

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02 Mar 2018 19:07:49
I really hope your right Derby. you have to speculate to accumulate. but then again i have worked in finance all my life and can never for the life of me understand why anyone would prefer bonds over equities as the latter wins every time. but the booms and bust in equities are much bigger, so some prefer the steady eddy of bonds. and i just have a horrible feeling Stan is a bonds type of man.

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02 Mar 2018 21:33:57
epping, stan is as tight as a duck's bottom. hate the guy, his teams win nothing long term and he is happy ticking over.

hes underestimating the English fans and in the end it will be his downfall. arsenal fan tv i've always backed and despite what people say its a big influence

do the players watch It, your damn right they do. plus sky sports pundits.

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02 Mar 2018 09:03:57
First time in 29 season's we have conceded 3 goals by HT in a PL game.

10 games without a clean sheet.

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02 Mar 2018 09:26:10
30 pts behind city 10 behind 4th place.
We could carry on as we are but why would any fan of Arsenal want too? Sentiment is the only reason I can think of and I understand that Sentiment too, but anyone who still wants Arsene to be our manager beyond this season has to ask themselves if they are an Arsenal or Arsene Wenger fan because carrying on as we are will only push Arsenal even further behind the top 5 next season.
It really is a choice for every fan to make now
Back Arsenal or back Arsene
You can't do both.

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02 Mar 2018 09:46:35
Very true G62,
Arsenal Football Club has become a Totalitarian State.

This season has been a bumpy ride and the Board don't look like they will be pushing the "Stop" button for at least another season.

Buckle up.

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02 Mar 2018 10:07:56
I have felt for a long time rightly or wrongly that the board are just waiting for the fans backing to make the decision for Arsene Dags mate.
Last season there was definitely a mood for change within the board but they know they are not popular among fans at the best of times and they also know Arsene has been despite results.
Last season it looked like Arsene had lost the fans but the FA cup win was enough to get all fans who were sitting on the fence to jump back on Arsene side, this morning the Arsene in camp is looking well short of its 50% strong hold but those wavering fans have fallen back into line so often before its difficult to say how they will feel this time next week.
Beat AC Milan and they could well be back at full 50% strength again.
The board do not want a war with the fans over Arsene they will only make the decision for Arsene with an overwhelming majority of fans behind that decision.
Many posters on here have been upset in the past and said enough is enough only to calm down when the dust has settled and once again find it in themselves to get behind Arsene again.
I think when the fans make up their mind the board will follow suit.

Just my opinion but this board would be mad to sack Arsene without the fans overwhelming support for that decision.

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02 Mar 2018 10:24:13
As you say mate, fans are fickle.

We are always 3 results from "Wenger is a genius" or "Wenger must go".

Don't you just love footy 😂.

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02 Mar 2018 10:53:54
Mate I'm 100% Arsene out but there is a huge part of me that will find it really sad when it happens.
I want change and I want back my interest in watching Arsenal games, I want to be exited about Arsenal v Utd a Spurs City Chelsea Liverpool not always expecting to get stuffed and our players to walk instead of fight for the club.
But when the day arrives that Arsene is no longer our manager I will have very mixed emotions, yes I will be happy excited and full of optimism that we might once again be competitive but also the thought of Arsene never being in the dug out or doing pre and post match interviews i find quite sad too.
I like Arsene Wenger very much i just don't like what he's been doing for the last 5 years and continues to do to our club.

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02 Mar 2018 12:43:14
To be honest I've always stuck by Wenger and do think some fans are just idiotic and spiteful towards the man. But he does need to step down. Ideally I'd like him to announce it soon as so we can get behind the team and him for the season with excitement for the next chapter with a new manager and give arsene a decent deserved send off. The way things are now is embarrassing and just painful to watch.

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02 Mar 2018 14:26:49
I don't get all the personal stuff either 16 mate, I agree with most that's said about his magement failings but on a personal level I feel sorry for him simply because he needs the game and Arsenal so much he just can't bring himself to accept it's over.

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Review Of The Day 2nd March 2018

02 Mar 2018 06:45:35
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 2nd March 2018

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02 Mar 2018 02:58:47
I do not usually drift from the Man Utd pages but this morning I wanted to add a point to the discussion on your plight. I am not one of those gloaters but hope my post will be ok.

A few years ago I posted on here after your heavy defeat at Old Trafford that your board needed to ask Wenger for his plans and they needed to satisfy themselves they were acceptable, they should have set targets, attainable ones like winning the league. It doesn't look like that happened. From the outside looking at Wenger it appears it will be a sad ending, maybe sold as a move upstairs for him but the end as manager.

My point is that at United we had two very long standing managers and our plan, transition plan was plainly amateur in both instances. Both left at a high point but with an ageing team so the consequent dip takes considerable time to rectify. When Wenger goes as surely he must now, the clubs planning should be more than just appoint a new manager and expect success, they must learn from Uniteds experience of what happened at the end of a long managerial reign. Given what seems a lack of plan at Arsenal since that Old Trafford defeat I have to wonder what plan you now have in place. Good luck, at least you are a genuine club not falsely pumped up with oil money.

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02 Mar 2018 06:44:42
I do find it a little odd that a United fan would come and talk of our problems when you are literally miles away from solving yours.

You must watch City and want to cry, you’ve spent an absolute fortune on some utter rubbish, world record fees in this country.

You don’t compete when it comes to buying the best you just get mugged off. But for De Gea where would you even be.

The worst of it is you have that busted flush as a manager whose idea of playing football is an embarrassment to everything Ferguson built.

Of the big big teams in World football you sit firmly at the bottom in every aspect but money.

No offence fella but everyone of your team and I’ll include De Gea in that would struggle to get game time at City.

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02 Mar 2018 07:14:56
Stoner

I am old timer who remembers watching the Charlie George winner in the 71 cup final and then George Graham playing for us. I have time for genuine clubs like yours who create their own wealth rather than from petrodollars. From that I don’t watch City and want to cry, I lived in Manchester through the times when City were dominant so know their psyche and see how new money has changed them. Would I like a rich owner meaning no debt, of course, but they are a club, a shiny new one, rather than a historic one like Utd, Arsenal and even Liverpool.
I was not taking the mickey but merely reflecting on my memories of a good football club about to undergo a transition. I won’t bother trying to connect again and will leave you to your pain, but perhaps we should all reflect on the dangers to all the real clubs who are being affected by oil money and the difficulties of a transition after long term stability.

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02 Mar 2018 07:54:55
Thats just it fella, there is no pain on my part, I’ve been supporting Arsenal since that very goal you speak about, it’s life in football.

I’m not daft enough to think we are not in a period of difficulty and who knows what will happen when Wenger goes but he’s slowly ruined everything he’s done. It’s sad but a fact.

I point out your shortcomings because they still remain and you have no argument to that and I could come on your page and point all that out to you, but like I know it about Arsenal you must know it about United.

City are a genuine joy to watch wether they are a shiny new club or not.

We no longer play close to that football and you certainly don’t. We need a new owner and a new manager, someone like Simione, the polar opposite to Wenger to get this cosy club, limp, pathetic mentality and soft under belly out of this club.

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02 Mar 2018 08:06:53
Stoner

Actually I am one of those who sees light at the end of our tunnel. Football is cyclical, getting back to the top will be a challenge to us and even more to you, but we are taking steps which I am happy with.

Simeone would be a good move for you but he is likely too pragmatic and unlikely to play the delightful football you crave. It is more than the manager that changes and that I guess is my point.

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02 Mar 2018 08:28:24
To be fair, I don't think Red Man was gloating or anything.

We do need a long term plan.
New Manager in, release funds and give him a few season's to sort this mess out.

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02 Mar 2018 08:34:43
Thank God for city only for them Jose would have all the money and bore he s way to a league title and that's not me being nasty that's me be honest.

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02 Mar 2018 09:49:43
Red Man,

I didn’t think for a minute you were gloating, but the point is we all now that change is needed and my point with Simione wasn’t so much the football, although they do play some good stuff, it’s more the change of mindset.

We are so lame as a club, both owner and manager, the owner doesn’t set goals beyond mediocrity as with all his American sports assets.

Do you really see you challenging for either of the big two trophies soon. The very best players don’t go to you and Mourinho has shown nothing since his Chelsea debacle to indicate he’s the manager he once was.

Are you becoming the new Arsenal, top 4 and a few cups.

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02 Mar 2018 14:09:15
Stoner

Mindset is an interesting one, but again only one part of the picture. The board must have a vision of what they want, their plan, appoint the closest to that and support it. We didn’t, actually rolling around like an old fishing vessel. There may not be agreement on the United pages but I feel there is now a sense of purpose at last. Not everyone is happy but with the right buys this summer I do see us challenging next season. I would add I don’t think it is as simple as just appoint a manager, especially after a very long incumbent, the whole ethos of the club for the future needs to be defined and the appointment follows. We didn’t do that and it is going to be tough for you even if you get it right.

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02 Mar 2018 19:05:22
Was difficult for United coming off a league winning season with Fergie. Arsenal are at their lowest and the only way is up really.

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02 Mar 2018 00:21:28
I still think we will win the EL, as long as Laca comes back soon.

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02 Mar 2018 06:39:39
Dags we will not win anything now, its rotten to the core mate. The guy has to be sacked asap for us to get back on track. Until that happen we won't win anything at all. If this club really has ambition it will act because if they don't we are heading to the point of no return. We are a club with no future under wenger, he has not got it anymore.

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{Ed025's Note - they wont sack him steve but its up to arsene to do the right thing and fall on his sword, it should have happened last season but if he has to go with any sort of dignity he must bite the bullet now or risk his legacy being tainted, great man who has been brilliant for arsenal and english football but the time has come to call it a day...come on mr wenger do the right thing..

02 Mar 2018 07:01:06
Ed 025, they have to sack him now, if they dont, we are going nowhere. Its not about sentiment or loyalty, its about arsenal football club and accountability. If he stays we are going nowhere but down, that is as plain as it gets. They have no choice.

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{Ed025's Note - i just want him to have the chance to go with a modicum of decency steve, dont forget what he has done for the club mate and while i appreciate it has gone sour i think we owe him that..

02 Mar 2018 07:02:16
no way that mans here next year. its sad to look at him right now and hear him. why he let it get this bad is beyond me.

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02 Mar 2018 07:14:07
Ed people are forgetting what he did for the club and they will get nasty too him if he is allowed to carry on ruining what he helped put in place. You can't let anyone build something up and then pull it down. He doesn't know when to quit, that means someone has to do it for him. What will be the memory when he takes is to 15th next season.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree that he has to go steve, i just want him to realize it himself and end it with at least a bit of pride in tact mate..

02 Mar 2018 07:37:38
Ed, i'm afraid he won't do it. He would never admit that he can't do it anymore, that's the crux of it.

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{Ed025's Note - you may be right steve, which is a shame mate..

02 Mar 2018 21:36:07
steve he reminds me of my grandad both mean well but if I say to him put the tv on the wall he puts it on a stand. if I say to him a roads closed he sure drives to check anyway. some people you just can not sway off there own mind.

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02 Mar 2018 00:07:16
Wenger use to turn average players into very good players.

Now he turns very good players into average players.

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01 Mar 2018 23:58:26
We all seem to be at the final stage of grief:acceptance.

Nobody cares anymore. Even if we get battered i actually don't feel sad anymore. I just don't care. I watched Wenger's interview after the match and he gave his usual excuses. Don't think he will walk away and the board won't sack him. We have to live with that i am afraid.

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