Arsenal Banter Archive July 30 2013

30 Jul 2013 21:48:38
any fifa 13 players here?

if you could give fifa 13 player rankings for arsenal players in real life, what you you give?

81, 83 etc

sad I know

Hamilton {Ed027's Note - please post the replies on the teams page

30 Jul 2013 21:46:59
Looks like Suarez is another Arshavin waiting to happened. With Suarez being banned for the start of the season, I can see this transfer going to the last day and even the final hours of the transfer window. I think Wenger will now concentrate on getting he's players fit for the champions leauge qualifiers and worry about transfers after we qualify.

Noodles

You won't get him mate, just been reported that it WILL cost around 55 million to get him. There is no way that Arsenal will pay that, absolutely no way.

30 Jul 2013 19:50:29
hi eds could u please do a "most popular arsenal player" poll {Ed027's Note - will do

30 Jul 2013 19:31:59
Brace your selves for bigger disappointments. Liverpool could accept a bid for Suarez but Arsenal may somehow pull out of the deal.

"Could" and "May"

You're just speculating aren't you?

Sorry mate, totally meaningless post.

Plus you are kind of implying that we will be looking for a way out. You should elaborate mate.

30 Jul 2013 19:17:59
I think the Best Transfer, Arsenal could have this season, is for Arsene to get Sacked and G Hiddink, To Be our next Manager.
I have lost faith in Arsene, who seems content to finish 4th and no higher and the Current board, who seem content to run my club like a bank.
I personally think Arsene, has lost he`s ability to win a trophy, and I personally think, him and Gazidis are playing Arsenal supporters as fools.
The reason I say this, is because, we are 4/5 players short, and all we have got to show for it, is a free transfer that was going to quit, cause he was injured all the time. And Arsene telling us that we don`t need anyone, if he really thinks that, he is a bigger fool than he already is.

The biggest mistake we done last year was to finish 4th, personally I wanted to finish below that, cause it would paper over the cracks. And the way Wenger/Gazidis are going about there business the cracks are well and truly showing.

I personally think we need a Goalkeeper, a Defensive Midfield, A Striker, not much, but them players must be Top Quality, £10 million players would not cut it, we need class. I Also feel we need someone even more important, someone we haven't had since Vieira left, A CAPTAIN, sorry anyone else after him was not a captain, but a black mail threat, not to quit, none were a captain, sorry not TH14, not RVP, not even Fabregas and not even Vermalean. Maybe Kos would be better?

Yeah I know were going for L Suarez but even he is a wrong choice, we should have got Higuain, OK Suarez is a better goal scorer but that`s all, He Don`t really want to Play for us, Higuain did, He`s trouble, end of. Do we really want a Player that WILL disrupt our team, Again like Gallas? I don`t, Higuain is A Model Professional, and not bad at Scoring, plus he would have cost about £20 million less, Money that could have been spent on other areas to strengthen.

If Suarez comes, he won`t stay for long maybe 1/2 seasons, no more.
Arsene missed out on 2 goalkeepers that would have been ideal, in Swarzer? and Reina, older keepers who Shez would have learned from, OK we still maybe get Ceaser, but we will see, I personally see Noone of note, maybe a few panic buys near the end.
Gazidis, I have to hand it to him, He really does earn every bit of he`s wages, No he does, For the last 3/4 seasons he fools us Arsenal supporters in thinking were going to sign big name players and fools Arsenal supporters to part with their hard earned cash and buy a season ticket, " we could sigh Rooney, if we wanted to, and pay he`s wages" Don't Make me Laugh, Gazidis, From what I heard you couldn't pay Arteta`s wages, and if it`s true Ceaser wages as well.
I'm not optimistic at all this Season, as you can tell, but see iv`e supported Arsenal for 40 odd years, and the last 6/7 years my Football club has gone from a club that wanted to win thing`s, to a club that thinks 4th, is good enough, That my friends is NOT good enough, And don`t tell me " well look at all the clubs who are owned by billionaire owners, who are spending, like money is grown on trees " yeah and look at all the manager`s who still try to win things, like B Dortmund, Like Wigan, etc, etc.
So Sorry, Wenger, Thanks but your time is up, Time to get another, There's 2 at the moment, i'd want J Klopp or G Hiddink.

Just another non-arsenal, anonymous, poster who wants to sow seeds of disaster.

Does anyone even remotely believe that Arsene and the board are not ambitious for trophies. Does anyone really think that buying half the worlds population of people who can kick a ball is the right way for AFC to move forward.
Do people actually think it's easy to just wander down to the shops and buy 50 million worth of top player?

I don't want to get all negative like this poster but it is really, really stupid and surprised our great editors even let in slide by. Our hottest commodity - even hotter that JW, Cazzie or the Kos is our beloved manager. Sure it would be nice for him to pull the trigger but only because he will have surrounded Suarex (could have been Higuain) with a solid foundation for them to excel. The program is strong. the last 10% is the hardest. COYG

A lot of clubs seem to do it a lot easier than us mate.
heybridge gooner

30 Jul 2013 20:51:04
This post like similar ones before show a complete lack of understanding of what the club has achieved, what Wenger has achieved under a certain set of retrictions and where we now stand.

Made worse because you have had forty years of following this great club yet still not having a clue of the above.

A truly pi55 poor post that has been regurgitated on here numerous times by people of a similar lack of understanding.

Totally agree with the original post. People disagreeing are just deluded "I'm a proper loyal Arsenal fan"
Get over yourselves. 2 ways to look at things. Post 2006 and the stadium u can say Wenger did great we got top 4 every season losing some top players on the way. 2006 we were 1 of the top 2 teams in the prem and 1 of the most feared teams in Europe. You could have taken the Dein model and with outside investment smashed everyone, including Ch else's and Man city. They were always playing catchup

Oh you are so right. this season is shaping up a disaster waiting to happen, no buys 14+out and spurs before window closes. I for one will be hoping he moves in the market soon or moves out. Ps US oldies know what we are talking about, we can't all be wrong. No one is bigger than my club. no one

I don't understand the skepticism or the negative speculation before our season year after year. How can we judge how certain players will perform before the start of a season? Henry was relatively unknown before we bought him. And he had an awesome few seasons before he became a legend. Why do we believe that a player like podolski or giroud will turn out the same? If you understand football, you will definitely know that they are both technically sound players. Yet we question them. RVP had one great season and yet he's better than these 2 players who have been injury free all through their careers. Wenger knows football better than all of us here combined. With his experience, if he hasn't bought players know its probably for a reason. I really don't believe he's running around like a headless chicken trying to sign players to please fans which he could probably do with the money we have today. So be patient and support your club because you are a fan of their brand of football. Not because you are a fan of the star players in the team.

Arsenalfan

We were a winning side when he arrived. That's the difference mate.

30 Jul 2013 19:10:46
Its great getting rid of the Deadwood. But at the end of the day, if we are not going to replace it with anything apart from youthful prospects we are are just going around in Circles. Yes the odd talent becomes a star. But most of the time we end up releasing them or they get sold to bigger clubs. We need to replace the Deadwood with at least experienced players who know the game. I'd rather keep Gervinho then let a reserve team player get a chance. Yeah, I know what I just said, the guys not great, but he's confident and he's got experience. I'd even go as far as saying i'd rather sign PETER CROUCH upfront then let Akpon play there straight away. We won't go anywhere if we keep to our habits we need to break them.

Also, I don't get the logic in Wenger saying we have a squad that can challenge for titles (Regardless of signings) when nothing has been done to it, whilst other teams have strengthened. City, though I disagree with their values have showed that they spent in the right places to improve and won the title. The last window they spent next to nothing, in comparison to before, and look what happened? United brought RVP, what they needed to win! I'd rather we have a transfer window like last year, buying 3 good quality players where we needed them most. We need a DM, get two for heavens sake and get captain glasslegs (Diaby) out of the squad. We can't have bit part players like that. And saying we don't need a new CB because Sagna can play there is just not good enough.

The club is built on good values, of which I support. However when they make stupid choices like this, it frustrates me. Big deals take time, I know. But this isn't us making big deals happen, this is us doing nothing and showing no intent, bidding 40,000, 001 for a player worth 50,000,000 is trying to make your fans believe your trying to do something. BID THE EXTRA 10M! simple.

Sorry about the rant, but this is just my view as a concerned gooner. regardless if we sign someone, we have to stay true to the team, and support.

P. s Those who are planning on booing Higuain at the Emirates cup this weekend. WTH? It's not his fault our club did not match his transfer fee.

I think we Gooners have got every reason to be concerned about the lack of incoming transfer activity and the apparent lack of concern of AW and IG. I totally agree that we need 4 QUALITY PLAYERS added to the squad, but once again when it comes down to it we are not prepared to go the extra mile. Le Grove website was saying that Sat could be uncomfortable for AW if especially Higuain puts on a stellar show. I thougt that we would make a marquee signing as a sign of intent that we mean business, but once again AW and co show that the fans feelings and concerns mean nothing to them. I can see another trophy less season with us somewhere between 6th to 8th spot. A couple of weeks ago Arteta and Jack were saying how the players were buzzing looking forward to the new quality arrivals, but now nothing, perhaps they know something we don't no. I firmly believe that is not the board but AW himself that puts the brakes on these big signings and nothing will change while AW is manager of our club. You can gloss it up all you like but 8 yrs and counting, buying crap like Santos, Chamakh, Squillacci, Gervinho, Bendtner, etc an d getting paid 147k a week is in my opinion just not good enough.
Thanks for the site Ed
Heybridge Gooner

Do you think anyone from arsenal visit this site? They should and gauge the extent of our fear for the coming season. we cannot go into another season so weak again spurs before the window closes. bad bad feelings

30 Jul 2013 18:51:47
3 things I've read today;

Bentner could be sold to Malaga. Arsenal and Malaga are supposedly in talks now. Fingers crossed.

Gervinho is on the verge of signing for Roma.

And finally, as Valencia will likely be losing Soldado, they are looking at Giroud as a replacement. A season loan has apparently been turned down, so a bid for Giroud could be on its way.

NE Gooner

30 Jul 2013 17:45:23
we might not have signed anyone of note yet but at least this window has introduced us to swap deals, gentleman's agreements, all sorts of clauses and the infamous smokescreen's. why have these suddenly appeared? total nonsense.

30 Jul 2013 17:31:21
It is futile to speculate on what the clause in Suarez's contract actually is because we haven't seen it however Liverpool interpret the clause differently to both arsenal and Liverpool who believe it to be a release clause

30 Jul 2013 17:03:14
madrid bid 85 for bale if they get surely that means they won't be in for saurez aswell does it? {Ed027's Note - they won't get both Imo

They signed kaka and ronaldo in the same transfer window. {Ed027's Note - they've already got Isco & Illarramendi for big money

30 Jul 2013 16:19:51
3 things I've read today;

Bentner could be sold to Malaga. Arsenal and Malaga are supposedly in talks now. Fingers crossed.

Gervinho is on the verge of signing for Roma.

And finally, as Valencia will likely be losing Soldado, they are looking at Giroud as a replacement. A season loan has apparently been turned down, so a bid for Giroud could be on its way.

NE Gooner

30 Jul 2013 15:42:06
Bit of fun!
With talk of Real interested in buying Baboon boy for a kertrillion squillion quid, here's a question for you.

If Henry, Bergkamp, Viera, and let's say Adams were in their prime now, and Real wanted them. What fee would they command?
Flybo

Based on Wengers valuations & Gazidis's negotiating skills abount £1. 50 each

If, say, PSG, R Madrid and Man City went head to head, I'd expect Henry to fetch £100m+, Bergkamp £70m+, Vieira £60m+, and Adams £40m.

Obviously comparing directly with the Bale fee being touted, then I expect Henry £300m, Bergkamp £250m, Vieira £180m, and Adams £100m, haha.

On todays prices, if they were in their prime?

hmm I'll give it a go.

Henry would have to 50-60mil
bergkamp 30-40 mil
viera 30-40 mil
adams 25mil

Ohhhh, I like this.

Well, seen as Henry was as good as, if not better than Falcao and Cavani, then Henry would fetch £45-50m easy.

Bergkamp, well, priceless, but easily better than James Rodriguez or Suarez, so around the £40m mark.

Fernandinho just went for £30m, so Viera would HAVE to be £35-44m

And Adams, well Pepe is valued at £15m at 30, and he's not even THAT good.
So £25-30 for Tony!

All guesses though!

D

In today's market (compared to player today, in their prime)

Henry 100-110 m (Ronaldo)

Bergkamp 60-80m (Iniesta)

Vieira 50m (Schweini or Yaya)

Adams 20-30m depends on how desperate a team is, better player to assess would be:

Sol 35-40m (Vidic)

Let me add

Seaman 25-35m (Cech)

Lets not forget, those were the days of 2 teams competing, both were essentially all-star teams

ManU and Arsenal consisted of some of the best players the PL has or will ever see

It would be like valuing Madrid and Barca players today

Henry - £150m
bergkamp - £120m
viera - £90m
adams - £90m

tobias

Henry and Bergkamp were both better than Bale is, so around £140m each if Real are willing to pay that for Bale.

Adams would go for around the fee that Thiago Silva went for. Can't remember off the top of my head.

Viera I would say around the price Vidal would command if not more.

If were going off how much bale is going, considering bale has won eff all, never played in the champions league, couldn't even get spurs in the top 4 last season and never played at a major international tournament then these 4 would be much higher priced then him!

Thierry Henry- 170 million
Dennis Bergkamp- 170 million
Patrick Vieira- 140 million
Tony Adams- 150 million

Considering what they've done, won, record broken and collected these 4 are easily worth into the hundred millions in relation to how much bales worth apparently!

Gooner red

Henry - £100m+: In his prime he is twice the player Bale is and would go for a fortune.

Bergkamp - £60m: Closest example is maybe Suarez today? Not to disrepect God of course. He just isn't the goalscorer that commands the Henryesque fees.

Vieira - £30m: Yaya Toure sort of cash.

Adams - £25m: Defenders are cheaper.

Would rather have Henry and Bergkamp than Bale so if he's valued at 85m then TH 110m and DB 100m. Viera 40m and Adams 25m. How much for eboue?

Henry 120million
Bergkamp 90million
Viera 75million
Adams 60million and a case of vodka to sign the contract Lol

Olloway gooner

Henry, today is worth, $150 mill. forget at the prime.

Henry-£100 million
Vieira-£60 million
Bergkamp-£90 million
Adams - £50 million
and
Pires -£80 million

Bale has played in champions league do u nt remember hat trick against inter

30 Jul 2013 15:17:24
I'm really sick and tired of some of you so called fans. Just relax and wait and see what happens. And to the person who said JW10 is overrated, I think you should perhaps watch another sport. Football isn't for you!

COME ON YOU GUNNERS!

JB

Solid post

If Jack is overrated, what midfielder was I watching against Barca and Bayern?

Oh sorry mate! Just because I don't rate Wilshere as much as you, means I don't support Arsenal as much as you.
Sorry!

30 Jul 2013 19:06:02
Who died and made u God? If certain fans think JW10 ain't good enuf, then maybe he ait.

LOL I do think he's good enough but he needs the coaching. He's all the talent and is just left to his own devices on the pitch. Looked more impressive playing as a deep mid in the pivot than he does pushing forward. Dribbles til he loses it. Needs coaching.

Its not so much that Jack is over rated, its that he has not improved, recently he looks to have gone backwards. He definitely doesn't look like the player that went toe to toe with Iniesta and Xavi.
That said, he has had a couple of serious injuries, he hasn't been as good, don't kid yourself, but neither should we have expected him to be.
With this pre season under his belt I can see Jack really stepping up this season, he has doubters, its up to him to prove them wrong, he definitely has the potential to be one of the best in the world.

Jack has been hurt

Played half a season in the last 2

Are our fans crazy?

While Barca and Bayern look to sign him for big money, our dear fans don't rate him. Outstanding

The new dawn of Gooner stupidity

30 Jul 2013 12:23:06
Eds, a question sort of linked to us. Obviously all this 'Reina got pushed out the back door to Napoli' stuff did the rounds yesterday. What's your take on him keeping extremely quiet about his proposed £20m move to AFC 2 or 3 years ago that broke down because Gazidis messed up the offer, so I heard on here anyway. Is that actually true?
Thanks {Ed027's Note - 100% true, but I don't know if Ivan messed it up, it could of been someone else, Ed001 confirmed it

30 Jul 2013 15:24:23
Bob Wilson said we bid for him. though not sure it was messed up. how can you mess it up. Liverpool say yes or no. they prob said no. I don't think her is as good as 2 years ago, and Liverpool are paying him around 100k per week. KM {Ed027's Note - we did mess up the deal. Transfers aren't like the ones on FM

Lol come KM, anything can mess a deal up. I heard we'd agreed the £20m fee but we offered the player insulting terms.

And thanks Ed.

30 Jul 2013 15:52:00
Ed, I heard the Mata deal was messed up, that implies we have poor negotiators. I heard The Mata deal was in the bag until the last minute. I don't claim to be in the know, but the person who told me that was a person of some stature. I only put my opinion on here and not rumours, but I do believe that to be true. hence the Reina rumour has common Theme. km {Ed027's Note - Wenger wasn't sure on Mata, Mata wanted the move, everyone wanted the move. But we still owned Nasri and Cesc at the time, Wenger didn't want another Reyes, so he got cold feet, deadline for the clause past, Chelsea miss out on their targets, splash out on Mata.

30 Jul 2013 11:06:55
Eds is there any chance of signing hummels or gundogan? {Ed027's Note - no mate, i'd love them both though. We'll get blown out of the water by bigger clubs

30 Jul 2013 15:31:11
I wish. Top quality defensive midfielder. and he can play as well. They have already lost one of their stars and won't allow another to leave. ill take these two any day, and their manager. Plus their star forward is into his last year of contract and will be off to Munich next year. KM

Nothing wrong with dreaming haha, you never know, if we have a good season in Europe they may be tempted next year. Maybe. Probably not.

30 Jul 2013 14:12:40
I can tell you now that Jack Wislshere is carrying another injury. it is being assessed before any announcement is made so as to not cause a panic. This has come from somebody on the coaching staff at Arsenal. it is 100% genuine.
REVEALED

As believable as this is, I highly doubt you know anything.

Saying its 100% genuine doesn't make people believe you.

30 Jul 2013 14:11:29
What would be ideal in my humble opinion?
Swap Wilshere with Rooney and get Cesc back to replace Wilshere.
Wilshere is overrated in my opinion, he shines in a crap team.

WHAT?

noobGooner

If you say so

watford gooner

30 Jul 2013 15:36:07
you know nothing about football. km

Every team in the world would kill for wilshere in there team!

Oh dear it's the silly season

No name left it must be Richard Head, most stupid post of the window

ty. 1

30 Jul 2013 13:58:25
I just got to go out and say this, it's been on my mind for quite some time now. It's not Arsenal related but I got to take it off my chest. I believe that Gareth Bale is heavily overrated and overpriced.

Since last season was so tight I had to watch quite a few spurs games and in all of them Bale was non existent until he scored a goal in the dying minutes and all the headlines would be like: "Amazing Bale to the rescue", "World class Bale sinks*whoever*", "Bale Bale Bale blah blah blah". Yes he's got a shot on him, but he's not that good as the media makes of him.

And to see Real offering Tottenham 100 million for him leaves me gutted, when we got 25 million for the traitor and he's a far better player than Bale.

That being said I would like to ask you guys would you prefer if Bale stayed at spurs for another year or they got 100 million + Coentrao (or Di Maria)?

I'm not sure about Coentrao, but di maria has already said he's not going anywhere, at the least he wants to play with a club in the cl.

I get your point though- he has great moments, but can be quiet at the other times.

Ooh, what a tough question!

Right, firstly I never wish bad upon any player but:

Ideal situation would be Bale to stay at Spurs and pick up an injury which would keep him out for next season, hence de-valuing him.

Again, not career threatening though even with him being a Spud.

337

Would rather they kept bale than got the cash to strengthen. undoubtedly a great player but rate him alongside rvp, saurez, aguero rather than ronaldo and messi. I think anything over the money cavani went for is absurd and would make levy the greatest negotiator of all time if he got 80m for him.

30 Jul 2013 14:38:16
Agree but I think behind the scene at Madrid, Ronaldo is entering his last two years of contract. This is when the club and agent start to talk. wouldn't surprise me if he wants out to maybe PSG. His present contract is 9m euros per year which is much lower that a lot of players who are not half as good as him. Torres, hazard, Rooney and yaya to name a few. Maybe its wise buying monkey head before they get a kings ransom for the second best player in the world. Also Madrid hate to be shown up by Barca who have got Naymar on board. Maybe Ronaldo has told them he will not sign a new contract so they are being very proactive km

I'd rather Bale stayed than Spurs getting a lot more than he's actually worth.

I kind of agree with you, last season Bale was non-existent a lot until he scored, but most of the time the goals were superb and they often won games. My feeling is that he was more devastating on the wing, running full backs all the way and putting one hell of a cross in. Remember the Inter Milan game, he destroyed them. As a CF for me, he doesn't have the same impact (other than scoring from outside the box). The simple fact remains though, opposition are terrified of him. I do think he has ridiculous talent, the mans a beast, but 100 mil is way too much. Ronaldo is and always has been better, and he didn't go for that.

To answer the other question, I would rather they sell Bale and get Di Maria and Coentrao. Di Maria is good, but he isn't going to score like Bale, and who knows he could be the new Gervinho and struggle to adapt lol.

I'd just like to see spurs fans that pissed off

Paul

Would prefer if bale stayed, enjoy watching him in the PL, even if its just the highlights that you've mentioned.

Bale is worth 45 million maxium
i very much doubt madrid are willing to pay double that and I believe he will stay at spurs

watford gooner

This deal isn't just for his on-field talents but also commercially (i. e shirts).

Very interesting to know if selling Bale would equate to Sp*rs go splashing out big on other players and strengthening the team, but TBH are there any other big-name players out there and would they be prepared to play in the Europa League. They actually don't have many weaknesses (apart from strikers) but by losing Bale, they lose their major strength. He has carried Sp*rs on his own and so his loss will be huge, no matter what money they get for him.

30 Jul 2013 17:41:48
In the middle of the park with freedom and space to roam he has flourished. If I was the coach of the team playing against him I would tell my players to force him on his right foot as much as possible. not that simple I know, but look at the goal against sunderland on the last game of the season. the defender offered him on the inside on to his left foot. bang. goal. yes he has great pace and balance but never allow a player room on his good foot. We made some bad errors when they beat us. Played our defensive line too high up the pitch which allowed him space to get in behind us. Vermaelen had a nightmare and was dropped. Then we went on a great run where we defended better as a team. Both full backs got good protection from our wide players. For the first time in years we defended as a team. By playing Arsharvin on the left and expect him to cover his left back is not his game. the same thing with podolski. he is not a left winger or left midfielder. he is a left sided forward. Arsharvin was not a left sided midfielder/winger. he was a number 10. who played between the midfield and forward like Bergkamp del piero or zola. I think Wenger ruined him, shame his confidence was shot to pieces. what do you think Ed.

30 Jul 2013 13:01:06
3 things I've read today;

Bentner could be sold to Malaga. Arsenal and Malaga are supposedly in talks now. Fingers crossed.

Gervinho is on the verge of signing for Roma.

And finally, as Valencia will likely be losing Soldado, they are looking at Giroud as a replacement. A season loan has apparently been turned down, so a bid for Giroud could be on its way.

NE Gooner

30 Jul 2013 11:41:33
Their might be a sniff of cesc at the emirates. I noticed on Arsenal media watch they had posted an article about Fabregas not wanting to go to united. I found this funny as their was no mention of arsenal during the whole article.

30 Jul 2013 11:40:44
Suarez will not join Arsenal. He will stay at Liverpool for one more year unless Real Madrid make a move for him which is less likely if they sign Bale.

Arsenal will sign Kondogbia and Cesar and that's it.

In my opinion we should of signed Higuain even though RM did up the price by another £10m.

Dunstable Gooner

It was only 3 million we quibbled over!

I don't agree. We will sign a striker, whether its suarez or not, plus several other additions.

I expect to see 3/4 signings.

They will also sign ginter from freiburg

30 Jul 2013 10:54:46
Can anyone tell me of a scenario where your boss or employers are begging you to spend more cash. And you simply won't, maybe for a couple of reasons. You here simply just a hesitant person who just dithers. You are tight and have a value in your head and won't exceed it. You are so belligerent that you want swim against the media tide. All your best signings weren't that expensive. Your intentions are right but like I said before, you dither and go through a scatter gun process not concentrating on 1 signing thus leaving the door open for others. Or you simply don't have same pulling power, you had before. Sprinkle with that, a blind over confidence and attachment to your current squad.
This is our manager!
Until we change him, there will be no change.
I'd love
Juergen Klopp
De boer
Laudrap

Alternatively the inept board kept giving you more power, to the point where you micro-manage every aspect of the club - and you can not bear to give up a single task or have your power questioned. Delegation is a lack of control as you see it, thus every aspect of player wages, contracts and negotiations must be done by you. You stubbornly hold to your own pet players and projects, despite all evidence they are failing, and refuse to listen to any advice.
You're right, there will be no change at Arsenal under Wenger, and the sooner he is gone the better - and not "upstairs" either as he'd be constantly interferring in the new managers business.

I'd even have Benitez, since Valencia he's won trophies and individual accolades wherever he's gone.

30 Jul 2013 10:23:37
Ah, the genius Wenger. The professor. Le Prof. What devious scheme is he plotting this time. A cheeky bid here, a five year plan there. Hasn't he been busy - unloading all the mistakes of the previous years. Master of the 4th place scrape, King of the cock-up. Selling RVP last year (to MU ffs)- pots of cash this year! Cannot believe the amateurish cash-flow of this tin-pot operation. In fact I refuse to believe we needed the money for RvP so bad. Wenger the great Svengali. Making money for the board whilst keeping the fans in a constant state of hope & expectation (it's the hope that kills us tho) paying the highest prices in the country! Creating a brand of football that is slowly deteriorating in quality but still manages to be, at times, beautiful - but without managing to challenge at the top. Passing about on the edge of the penalty area but rarely managing to penetrate. Oh Wenger, the wondrous Illusionist, defended to the hilt by gullible believers. The loyal band of followers that will cry out "he's a spud" or "Troll" in response to this post. Please Mr Wenger, let us see up your sleeve, beyond the cuff of your wizards cloak. What's your next move going to be? Stick with what we've got. Scrape 4th, crash out of all other comps. and fail to compete meaningfully in the CL? Probably.

Punxsutawney Phil (the Groundhog)

Agree.

The original AG

If he tells the fans what's up his sleeve he'll be simultaneously telling every club what's up there. What would be the point in that?

Has Wenger got a lot wrong? Absolutely, no disagreements here, but to say that moving to the emirates, remaining in the champions league which in turn provides mega-bucks sponsorships which we're now starting to bear the fruits from, and more set to come has set the club up for the next 100 years. All this done without being bankrolled by a sugardaddy, and without having the commercial clout of a Manchester united. This is many things. "Tin-pot operation" it is not.

However, if after the window has closed (over a month left to go) we haven't made the transfers needed, then you had sent in this post, it would have had far more gravitas.

We've been patient for 8 years. 4 more weeks isn't going to kill us. And if your proven right (more than possible) then I like you by the sound of it will be on this sight voicing our disgust.

Until then, if the best way to get the deals that we want done is to keep quiet and keep it up your sleeve, cuff, wizards cloak, big f**k off winter coat with a faulty zip, then shove it as far up there as possible.

Wenger, Ivan and the whole club will be judged by all come the end of the window. There's no point in it being any sooner.
Flybo

Here here Flybo

Well said flybo.

Ofc we all wants signings, we all want our club to compete.

We still have 4 weeks left in the window, don't forget.

off the pitch,. as flybo points out, we've done extremely well, whilst maintaining a high league position.

Things will turn around for our club, but the competition for players doesn't make it easy, despite having money now.

The petulance of some of our fans sometimes in just incredible.

30 Jul 2013 09:37:01
I know I'm probably going to get slated for this but oh well.

Would anyone else take Fernando Torres on a season loan? This way we could sign him permanently if he regains his Liverpool form and if he's crap we won't have that problem the season after.

If Torres can regain his Liverpool form in an Arsenal shirt, we will without a doubt be contenders for the title.
An inform Torres is the best striker in the league, and possibly one of the best in the world.
Obviously he isn't playing like he used to, but if he can find his Liverpool form.

Nick.

I would but why would Chelsea loan him to us? what benefit would they get? they MIGHT loan abroad but can't see them loaning to us

I would buy or loan him a heartbeat, perfect player for us

With Demba Ba very much likely to go to West Ham, it would mean that their only strikers could be Lukaku and Torres (can't really class Schurlle as an out-and-out striker). Actually very surprised Chelsea have not gone in for a striker.

When Torres was great, he was flipping brilliant. I remember him terrorising Vidic, seemed the only striker able to do so.

Something to consider though, is Torres a great world beating striker currently playing way off form? Or was he always an average striker that exceeded his basic talent for a few years?

Despite this, I would take him yes, because I feel he needs another shot at a different club and I would hate to see him go somewhere else and become great again.

30 Jul 2013 08:48:54
to all the people itk what number shirt will higuain be wearing this season at arsenal.
How did bernards medical go last friday?
who will Fellani replace in arsenals starting 11?
is cesc getting his number 4 shirt back when he signs later this week?
who will Rooney partner up front?
people have said that all theses players will be signed the truth is NO ONE! knows what arsen is going to do all we can do is hope he signs some world class players.
i know its a rumours page but stop pretending to all be football agents.
Papey

30 Jul 2013 10:40:53
The Higuian deal was on the table until they wanted much more. km

Hear hear
Well said

Hurray said it like it needs to be said. Of course this site needs speculation, gossip, and idle thoughts, wouldn't be much without it. But how tedious is all the bloody make believe in the know rubbish? Anyone that knows someone, or tells you what people are thinking, or has some inside knowledge here is almost without exception living in pure fantasy.

I know nothing by the way.

The Ghost of Terry Mancini

Agreed 100%

AP

30 Jul 2013 08:18:44
In a recent voting poll it asked if we would use Walcott as part of the deal for Suarez? Why not? Walcott wanted to go last year unless he was played through the middle, If Wenger is going for Suarez and Giroud as our main point of attack he clearly doesn't fancy Walcott through the middle therefore rather than be in the same situation next season with an unhappy player wanting to leave because he isn't being played where he was assured he would use Walcott to get the player you want and give the Ox more game time because he won't develop by sitting on the bench. just in the same way that Walcott hasn't developed into the player everyone expected him to.

Agree. I don't rate Walcot very highly. Would offer him in an exchange for suarez, and then go after Di Maria

I was one of the ones who said 'yes, use him in a deal' - it would appear I'm in the minority on that one but so be it. He's an average player who gets chances and takes them.

30 Jul 2013 07:36:10
Now in the past I have been accused of being an Arsene apologist - actually I never felt the need to apologise for the greatest manager in our history. But as I keep pointing out while he has done a great job he has worrying blind spots.

So yes he would say the current team can challenge for trophies. But it's just stupid. It can't. We know it can't and I would hope he does too, if he doesn't then oh god prepare for life to get worse yet.

Spurs have already invest big and sensibly. They will sell Bale for massive money, more than we got for RVP, Thieery, Cesc and Nasri combined! So they'll strengthen yet further. City have already sent big. Chelski will sign Rooney I suspect but their squad looks pretty good anyway. Oh and United who finished a few points above us will sign Modric post Bale, not their top targets but realistic and an improvement to their squad.

Arsenal? Well now all our eggs are in one very volatile basket. Will he join us? Maybe but only I suspect at the last moment, you might argue it doesn't matter as he's suspended through to September anyway.

So whether he joins us or not I suspect our exciting big money summer transfer window will mean come the opening day the exciting new team will be: Szczesny, Jenkinson, Mertesacker, Sagna, Gibbs, Arteta, Ramsey, Wilshere, Cazorla, Walcott, and Griroud.

I can hardly wait to see all those big names we all so frantically speculated on start, to be there when. oh bugger. Same old same old summer. Never mind we'll have a massive budget for the window window once we are out of the ECL and struggling in fifth or sixth.

The Ghost of Terry Mancini

P. s. I still think Arsene has been our greatest manager ever, I just wish for once he would break that mould.

Sadly, I couldn't agree more.

If Chelsea get Khedira and Rooney, then it's game over.

If they don't, then I still believe it will between them and City

30 Jul 2013 07:27:11
arsene wenger renew his interest in wayne rooney. a arsenal insider said that wenger is about to make a final bid for suarez of around 41 to 42 mil. should liverpool reject it, he would not think twice on bidding it on rooney. of which he has a 90% of it being accepted (ARSENAL INFORMATE)

We're not bidding more than£40m+£1 because we don't need to, all involved at LFC believe his clause allows him to come

Paul {Ed029's Note - It doesn't mate.}

30 Jul 2013 05:22:54
It is 5am. I have been up trawling the site and thinking bout my beloved Gunners for the last 45mins.

I think we desperately need a keeper and, accepting it's not our biggest priority atm, I cannot even begin to fathom why on earth Cesar was not signed and unveiled on day dot!

Wages? Price? Agents Fees? Image tossing rights?

Absolutely NO excuse and it leads to my concerns with all our other "activity".

On a more positive note, I will say that I think Sanogo will be blinding. If we ended up having to play him more than we plan to with a CF coming in (and it doesn't happen) then I strongly believe he will pull a Ba / Benteke and smash em in out the gate!

Add that to Giroud's form, Poldi's return to fitness and Theo's unsung heroism (better stats than Bale FFS).

Couple that with the quality displayed in our defence on the run in.

Throw in the return of Jack.

Sprinkle some other shining new youngsters getting a couple of games here or there; Akpom, Gnabry, Bellarin, Zelalem, etc.

There would still be hope!

Fingers crossed either way, just don't be too surprised if the above does happen but remember it would STILL be our STRONGEST starting position for YEARS!

COYG!

Post a link showing theo and bales stats not saying I don't belive u but would like to see it

No chance does theo have better stats

Last season in the premier league Bale scored 1 goal every 1. 57 matches, and 1 assist every 8 matches.
Theo scored 1 goal every 2. 29 matches and 1 assist every 3. 2 matches.
Technically Theo contributed a premier league goal more often than Bale did. That said, Bale is obviously the better player, stats don't tell the whole story.
Going off of that though, Bale is no where near worth £50million and Di Maria and Coentrao as has been discussed. I would much rather Bale stays then Spurs sign Soldado, Coentrao, Di Maria and spend the £50million on top to add to the signings of Paulinho and Chadli. They will without a doubt have a better team than us.
At the moment it looks all doom and gloom for us, no top signings, and little hope of a top signing at this point. But at least there is progress, I for one would rather see Gnabry and Myaichi playing as opposed to Gervinho or Miguel as opposed to Squillaci.
These players have potential, its better than watching the same old players, lacking skill and not improving. That said, our team definitely needs improvement, this squad will definitely struggle for top four due to Tottenham having improved while our squad has been weakened.

At a guess i'd say that probably Theo has had more goals and assists in his career.

30 Jul 2013 01:54:03
are any first teamers following ls on twitter eg arteta

stories about tv and arteta having an input

sy4

30 Jul 2013 01:22:41
Because everyone else has strengthend and goes without sayin we scrope CL last season if we don't strengthen we ain't getting CL next year
Ft280t

30 Jul 2013 00:42:40
Can't get th logic in wanting Nani. He is Man United's deadwood for cryin out loud. U don't see them wantin Gervinho, Chamack, Bendner etc.

Cons: he's unfit, rusty, lost his edge, bit of a diva, massive diver,

Pros: when he's on form he's unstoppable and that's why they signed him. He's young. He'd be immense in our system. He's hated as much as Suarez and that would be a great thing for our attack.

29 Jul 2013 23:41:29
Jackson Martinez agent is in napoli to try and broker a deal to take him from porto.

This is a player we should have looked at. He is an absolute beast. an athletic specimen.

He is going to cost anyone on the cheapest end of the scale 30 mill and at the most 35mill, considering Porto want 40mill euros.


The options we have if we fail with Suarez.

Luis Muriel ( plays like the old ronaldo ) raw talent.
Erik Lamela ( amazing player)
Jackson Martinez ( cha cha cha )
Stephan El Shaarawy

Im not sure if we are going to buy a DM. Looks like Rambo and wilshere will play there rotating with Arteta. maybe a disaster if one gets injured.

we are thin at the back. With Adil rami costing 7. 75 million, I don't see why we are not in for a CB.

GK? why did we not go for Pepe Reina. liverpool would have bitten our hands off at 10mill.

Are we going to buy a gervinho replacement? or is podolski the LW, with Ryo/ Cazorla backing that slot while Walcott is the RW with Ox/ Cazorla taking over in his absence?

Looks like Rosicky, Wilshere, Rambo, Arteta will have a lot going for them this season in midfield.

Lets hope we can get some business done soon.

atleast the CB, GK ( if at all ) a midfielder ( pref holding) and a Striker/ Winger.

3 weeks for the season to kick off.

29 Jul 2013 23:25:23
On Metal Gooners rant of 29th July he says that Jack wouldn't look like 'your' worst midfielder. are you actually Metal Scouser or Metal spud in disguise?

It was directed at Wenger himself. Hence 'your' not 'his'. Try harder, Sherlock! :)

Ahem, sorry, yeah, I mean yeah, you got me mate, I'm a SPUD who spends his time talking about nothing but Arsenal, as admin on an Arsenal page with over 20'000 followers, writing blogs about Arsenal for other people in the blogosphere, tweeting John Cross (Mirror) and Raf Honigstein (ESPN) because I'm a) OBVIOUSLY a spud, and b) in need of a mental home.

Get a grip. Worst post of the summer.

29 Jul 2013 21:33:04
How the bloody hell would anyone not want Suarez at our club? That guys is a footballing genius and would make any defender in the world $h*t his pants. Yes he does have some baggage, but Arsene can put a leash on him I believe. He has pace, guile and a never say die attitue. Currently do we have anyone better than him at CF? No we don't. Would he improve the team? Definitely!

Arsenal is a footballing club, not a "finishing school" or monastery. The most important thing is talent, not manners. If we keep him ban free, he will be epic!

Bring Luis "Ban Ki Moon" to the emirates!

Rue1025

29 Jul 2013 22:40:51
So its the 1st of July and Arsenal have just announced Julio Cesar, Luiz Gustavo, Bernard and Loiic Remy!
What would have been everyone's view on that if it had happened with no other signings made all summer? To be honest I would have preferred that out come to the long drawn out process of Arsenals first foray in to signing world class players since the 90's. Dick Law and Ivan Gazidis just do not cut the mustard BRING BACK DIEN. : (

So close to saying good post then you miss spelled dein

Bergkamp5353

29 Jul 2013 21:34:45
All those saying "patience, deals take time" may I remind you we are still short of a keeper, a defender, a midfielder, a winger and a striker.
Oh and our pre season is just about finished.

Yes we finished the season strong but we need to improve and strengthen in order to kick on this season. It seems the club have put all their eggs in one basket with this Suarez business, if that falls through we are in trouble.

"i want to do our deals early" what a crock of $h!t.

There has been no coherent plan to this summer and its plain to see. Were in for Fellaini, then hmmm maybe not. Throw in our obligatory annual bid for Bender to get slapped away then not do ANYTHING. Were in for Higuain, then Rm say no we want what he's worth, not 9m less, we pull out.

We know Shezz isn't quite ready, we know Cesar is ready and avail for about £3m tops, Ffs what is stopping us from signing him?

People this is incompetence boardering on farce.

We can all identify players readily available, playing at inferior clubs whose owners are aggressively trying to sell who would improve us in key areas.

Everyone on this site I'm sure has spent 70m in their head and at the end got a squad that looks $hit hot ready to compete. I may be trivializing the work involved in buying a player buy other clubs seem to manage it pretty easily, so why are we, with.

- a world class stadium
- cl football
- history, prestige and world wide following

Failing to sign top players.

The original AG
AG

Very good post mate, spot on.