Arsenal Banter Archive May 30 2013

30 may 2013 21:59:07
i really fancy believing what the folk say about mignole be happy if we sign him! also chicorito to sign

30 May 2013 19:55:01
Has everyone seen Puma's new kit for Cardiff?

Hideous. Hope they come up with better for 2014.

30 May 2013 19:38:57
i am going to put my head on the block and any of you lot are free to take a swing.

there is something going on at the club and I think its starting to come out now.

i think there is about to be huge change and I think that will include wenger moving on.

dont care about the abuse its just a feeling I have.

If there have been any confirmed signing so far since season ended I don't think he will be moving, but if nothing has happened u could be onto something!

Nothing to do with what the eds have been saying for months charlie?
very shallow my friend very shallow.

I don't know about Wenger. but big changes. I agree

noobGooner

30 May 2013 21:37:27
I'm not sure Wenger will be going anywhere yet but an owner who loved football and Arsenal would do me fine.

I understand how the club is run by kroenke is just the pits and I wish he'd get the f*** out of dodge.

Stoner me old mucker, how are you son.

its just a feeling I have.

1-brady left

2-release of 15 youth players

everything wenger has believed in seems to be being shipped out of the club.

whats happening half of his project has been terminated.

I don't see how having an opinion makes me shallow.

i think your reply may be a little more shallow than my post.

why post for the sake of it

31 May 2013 07:16:36
I don't really see what he believes in changing Charlie, when he's had the players we've been awesome, we just need someone to ensure he gets those players.

I'm good though mate thanks.

I don't think they are projects which are terminated, rather players unworthy to play for Arsenal.

we have been recruiting 100's of kids and the only players who have made the grade are gibbs, wilshere and scz, perhaps more, correct me if i'm wrong.

what we need is to have an infusion of talent.

our first team is good but not great compared to City, Chelsea.

our midfield has a lot to do. we once had the best mid with cesc, now we are a shadow.

ramsey, wilshere should be good looking forward, but the ox has stalled his progression, walcott seems to be coming good, hopefully we get to see a breakout season with goals galore next year.

for me cazorla does not show up in big games. I rate him but he goes hiding in the big games.

if gerv does indeed go, then it looks like we will sign a versatile upfront player.

CB? who knows. RB? who knows, GK we can only dream, striker? if he costs the same as a defender.

30 May 2013 18:57:47
so, hearing that Peter Hill Wood is stepping down as chairman. been at the club for 51 years in some capacity they say.

just wondered what peoples thoughts are as to whether this will have an effect on the clubs immediate future etc

cheers,
paul

Hes the best case of fossil fuel 1 billion years on.

30 May 2013 18:17:36
Given Belhanda's recent comments, what are everyone's thoughts on him joining Arsenal?

For me lacks temperament and pace.

Billybob

I rate him, think he'd be a good addition for about 10-15m.

How can a guy who carried Montpellier to a league title lack temperament? He was also their best player against us.

Billyblob, your posts always verge on the ridiculous, sometimes I wonder if you just troll.

He is a good player. Would take him definitely

30 May 2013 18:13:42
Am I the only person that doesn't want Cesc back?

Your not the only one, but you are in the minority.
Flybo

Can't thinknwhynyou wouldn't want him back? Do tell

1404

I can see why you wouldn't want him back, however I just love the man

HP

No, just part of a small minority.

Pretty much, yes. He's better than every player at our club now.

1404, it's just he made such an effort to leave, I know he wanted to go home and waived his loyalty bonus etc but we didn't win anything with him so don't see what would change now. We need a DCM more, I think the JW10/Ramseypairing will be brilliant next season (I know I'll get slated for mentioning Ramsey but I'm a massive fan of his and always have been)

I agree rowdybrit. When Ramsey is played CDM, he is ace. I was part of a small minority NOT slagging him off at the start of the season

30 May 2013 17:20:04
Sorry just my first few posts on the site, I've been trying to reply to comments but they're appearing in random places. Enjoying reading the views of other passionate supporters. Do you really think we have plenty of creativity? In years past we had it in abundance. Cazorla has been brilliant this season. wilshere is class, but when your only getting 1/2 a season from him, is it enough?

Yes, it is.

He's young and was brutally over-played in recent years.

He is the most promising young British player out there. Be patient with Jack, or go home.

The fact is jack may have had injury issues but he is still young. Being overplayed it his age at such a high level of intensity wouldn't of been good for his muscles.

In a years time or so he should be fully developed to his muscle potential and be at his strongest when he will come on leaps and bounds

30 May 2013 15:52:44
Appreciate what you're saying ed, but surely not worth blowing a load of our budget with capable players there in the position?! We need creativity IMO {Ed027's Note - We have creativity, plenty of it...

We don't have enough creativity, its one of the major reasons games against Qpr, Norwich, Stoke, Newcastle, swansea to name a few, were such a struggle.

Willshere Cazorla Rosicky are all creative. On his day, which is becoming more frequent, so is Ramsey.

Creativity isn't our problem.

Maybe its just consolidated by the fact that wilshere, ramsey, rosicky, arteta, chamberlain, don't score goals from open play. We have 1 goal scoring midfielder.

What we have is a lack of goal scorers.

Arsenal used to score goals by getting to the byline, pulling the ball back and someone hammering it in.

You could count the goals we score like that on one hand now. The other alternative is to sit a bit deeper and play through balls through to forwards who have made a run. We don't do that any more either.

What we do is apply so much pressure that the other team camps in and around the box, we then pass from side to side and nothing happens.

No invention, no footballing sense.

No pass back to a midfielder who just hammers it.

These days Santi feints a shot and then doesn't shoot. The Ox doesn't shoot unless he's in the box hardly. Giroud scored one goal from outside the box all season. Podolski showed if you have a crack you can score.

Other teams do this ALL the time - we don't. It's a coaching problem.

This is why people want a new attacking coach.

We do lack creativity. The only midfielders who ever want to play the killer pass are Carzola and Rosicky. All our other midfielders player these "Xavi-like" lateral passes. When we get to opponent's box, people seem to run out of ideas. Definitely need some creativity, especially on the wings

Daniel, you are very right there. Only Santi can shoot and actually score.

also partly agree with anonymus reply above about goals scorers. People may say now that "Giroud has done alright" in his first season. The stats might say that. But when I was watching live games, week in and week out, he was not inspiring. He missed so many opportunities. Very good with his head, but I swear at some point I thought his feet didn't work. Not enuf shot power, not enough pace, not enough skill. I don't think he is our man

30 May 2013 15:36:18
Hi Gooners.!

I wish for once Arsene Wenger stops shopping from the discount isle. This is so annoying. Once saw a list where Arsenal was listed as 6th biggest football club. Should we not be one of the teams others fear when it comes to transfers? Seems even QPR can outbid us now. Arsenal Wenger is taking "austerity measures" to a whole new level. Money should not be thrown around, that I agree. But when you unearth a gem, then you have to be willing to pay the price of a gem. When worldclass talent comes along, you have to be willing to break club records to hook them

Ridiculous post, you're saying how we should spend, and that qpr can outbid us. well, look at where qpr is right now, championship, and look where we are, champions league. it doesn't matter how much money you spend if you spend it on the wrong player.

We have made a lot of bad signings that individualy don't cost much park, santos, denilson, gerv, arshavin and of course squid I would rather have shown some ambition and used the money we spent on these players and have bid for 1 world class player e.g hazzard, neymar, mata and so on

I don't think you quite understand what we mean when we talking about world class talent. QPR does not have it. And as of now, we do not have much of it. I am talking about the really good players i. e. Higuain, Gundogan, Isco etc

30 May 2013 15:21:30
Out of interest, how many of you have renewed your season tickets?
89'gooner

I have, have you?

Nas

No. I think it's too much of a coincidence that every year when it's season ticket renewal time we are linked to players like gotze, jovetic, hazard, Higuain etc. They are all false and I have had enough of it because the teams going backwards.
89'gooner

Not really. Every club has as many rumours regarding player sales, we are not special and certainly the club does not go out of its way to try and dupe people into renewing. The fact that there are over 15000 people on the waiting list shows that renewal's are not an issue for the club. I would renew, even of it we were relegated.

Nas

I have but this is pretty much the last chance saloon, there's only so long I'll put up with paying enormous sums to watch third rate players. I'm actually horrified to find it would be cheaper to have a man city season ticket and travel to Manchester by train for the home games than a seat down by the six yard box at arsenal. ie second cheapest in the ground

Nas, you are a mug mate, that's EXACTLY what happens but you can't admit to it because otherwise you'd never spend the money. and you do spend the money. so denial it is!

You think it's a coincidence that we're linked with some of the best players in the world every single year at the SAME time (months before the window opens) yet NOTHING happens in the market even though the club is LOADED?

Not a mug and certainly not in denial. Like I said, This situation is not special to AFC. Every club is linked to many so called superstar players. I think your a mug for thinking that AFC run these stories themselves. I spend the money, because I love the club and want to watch them live at the ground as I have done since I was a boy.

Nas

You should SUPPORT the team, no matter what players are there, what division the team is in, manager, owner etc.

You should SUPPORT the team, no matter what players are there, what division the team is in, manager, owner etc.

Don't totally agree. I am passionate about the team. don't expect them to win everything. why would I keep supporting when things are in shambles and the manager and board are not showing any intent?

thats like telling someone to love his wife even if she is poisoning the kids and F***ing every man in the neighbourhood.

In summary, we all love Arsenal, but we can only take so much

30 May 2013 15:00:56
Really looking forward to next season. If we keep the quality players & dispose of the others, we need:
1) A keeper - Cesar
2) A 4th center back - Skrtel
3) A defensive midfield player - Wanyama
4) A wide player - Nani
5) A forward - Jovetic

I would keep Sagna & Vermaelen.

I would sell/release: Fabianski, Mannone, Santos, Djourou, Squilacci, Denilson, Park, Bendtner, Chamakh & Arshavin.

With Giroud, Podolski & Cazorla having had a season getting used to the pace & power of the Premier, I see good things ahead.

My dream signing would be Fellaini, which I very much doubt will happen.

30 May 2013 14:00:08
Chesney isn't better than them. Mignolet and begovic have been outstanding this year.

30 May 2013 13:50:30
Podolski with 2 for germany again, all be it against a poor ecuador team, but if only his international form showed for arsenal. We have a hidden gem.

Poldi is a gem. I think he needs more time in the CF role.

30 May 2013 13:09:52
Can someone explain why we need an 'experienced goalie'? People are saying we should get goalies like Begovic and Mignolet. Surely Sczesny is better than them. Any decent goalie we buy would cost at least £10m, and why do that when we have a relatively proven, young, ever-improving, number one already?

Then there's the issue of 'mentoring'. Which high-end player is there that would move to a new club in their latter years to 'mentor' someone?! They would want to secure the number one spot for themselves in the prime of their career. Why would someone sacrifice their football career to teach someone they've never met before? IT's stupid. And if we need an older keeper so much, why not offer Fabianski a new contract? He proved that he is capable and can push Szczesny. {Ed027's Note - Sczesny is not better than those GK's you've brought up, Fabianksi will always be a flappy

Mate. WHAT?

Szczesny is about the 10th best keeper in the league at present. Don't be fooled by his good season last year. He has been crap this season. Believes his own hype.

Here's a list of better keepers than him:

De Gea
Hart
Cech
Vorm
Cesar (albeit not miles)
Begovic
Mignolet (imo 4th best after Hart, Cech and De Gea but some will say that's Begovic)
Krul
Guzan
Foster

All better keepers. AFC fans need to take off the tinters.

Szczesny could turn out to become world class but only with someone to learn from every day and a world class coach.

You forgot lloris.

but scz is better than Guzan and Foster, second half after the return, he put up a top 5 performance.

Shay given, 2year deal, sorted!

Lakerville that is just your tinters showing, sorry dude!

What does Guzan do worse than Szesney? He saves point blanks just as well. He deals with corners better. His distribution is FAR better. He pulls off acrobatic saves almost every game. He can save long shots.

What can Szczesny do? He isn't confident dealing with crosses and corners consistently, he makes silly mistakes all the time, he distribution is wack, he neevr saves anything that comes from further than 10 yards, he never gets close to saving free kicks. You get a free kick on target against arsenal and it's a goal. Szczesny doesn't come close to Guzan yet, and trust me, Guzan has had a lot more keeping to do this season than Szczesny has!

As for Foster - everyone knows he's one of the best in the league.

Forgot Lloris - sorry about that mate, it's not because you're a spud, honest.

As for Given - once upon a time, yes, now, no. Rustier than my hose tap. Never gets to anything these days, just shrieks a lot. Definitely 3 seasons ago though.

Given is a great shot stopper but not sure about commanding his area for crosses. We need someone to boss the penalty box and show maturity holding up play when needed.

SY4

OK, give me an example of a player going to a club to 'tutor' another, younger player. It would only work if the guy was a former arsenal player (Lehmann, Seamen etc. )

30 May 2013 12:03:52
Would love to see arsenal line up like this next season

------------Szczesny------------
Jenkinson Koscielny Zouma Gibbs
------------L Bender------------
--------wilshere----cazorla-------
-Walcott-----------------Aubameyang-
---------------Rooney-------------


To me, that is a title winning team, give jenkinson his deserved chance, let zouma be our powerhouse we've been missing. Bender to be our super stopper. Will stop attacks before they begin. Aubameyang will be the Walcott of the left! And by that I mean Walcott scored 21 and assisted 17 this season. Great stay. Rooney will score 20+

May cost like 65mil for the lot. But that's money we have available.

It is funny that even when Merte was our best CD 20122013 many of you don't include him in the next season squad.

Would cost a lot more than £65m, would be lucky to get Zouma, Bender and Aubameyang for less than £50m, which would leave £15m for Rooney?

BGGOONER I'd say that's mostly because our other defenders were poor.

Now that Kos is back on form everyone is saying he's our best defender.

If Vermaelen regains form everyone will say he is our best defender.

An on-form Kos and an on-form Verm are arguably better than an on-form Mert for one simple reason - pace.

30 May 2013 12:01:02
Hasn't been mentioned much lately, if at all, but I thought steve bould was definitely leaving. Is this still the case?

That was BS made from anti- wenger brigade (blogs and media pundits). SB will be with us for a very long time (unless someone offer him to be N1 in the team)

30 May 2013 10:41:02
ideal summer:
sign a GK - somebody who can mentor Szczesny, not replace him. Szczesny can be world class given time. Ideally Julio Cesar - huge experience, cheap, is in England, and is the right kind of age to mentor.
Keep Sagna if possible - still a class act on his day. Would give Jenkinson one more year learning from him before becoming first choice. If not, a quality experienced RB to mentor Karl and compete with him. Someone like Liechtsteiner or Piszczek (both approaching 30)
Sign a 4th CB and keep Vermaelen - he has indicated he wants to fight for his place which is great news. A 4th CB would be someone who is competent back up, like Adil Rami or Williams, both are the right kind of age. Send Miquel on loan.
Sign a DCM - this is VITAL. Looks like it will be Gonalons.
Sign a CF: No idea who this will be. Realistic prospects appear to be Jovetic and Bony. Lewandowski won't come and I don't think Rooney would come. Sanogo is already in the bag, but is a future consideration
As a bonus, it would be good to find a long term replacement for Rosicky, who should see out his career with us. Grenier has been mentioned, but the dream would be to get Cesc back, though this won't happen this summer.
Release Squid, Fabianski and Arshavin
Sell Mannone, Santos, Djourou, Denilson, Chamakh, Bendtner and Park.
Give Capital One Cup time to the likes of Martinez, Bellerin, Eisfeld, Afobe, Gnabry and Sanogo.

What do you think?

All seem pretty liky what about grenier or cabella though, seems we are in for them

Rami would not be back up. He would be our best defender by a mile

30 May 2013 10:10:52
Arsene, bring Fabragas home! Ok technically he is home but you all know what I mean.

30 May 2013 11:29:15
personally I don't see the point in signing piszcek right now as he is about to have a hip operation which would keep him out for 5 months. I say stick with the current RB's and then re-evaluate in january.

Because he looks like hell of a RB. He'd be back in Nov then which is 2-3 months for Jenks + Bellerin to cover which is just about ok I think (assuming Sagna goes) or keep Sagna until Jan.

A lot of talk of Dortmund players moving to arsenal. bender, gundogan, piszcek, why would any Dortmund player want to move to us right now?

To play in the prem? For a club where they will actually get game time?

There aren't any wing backs that will get game time at Man U, Chelsea or City any time soon unless they move to Arsenal.

30 May 2013 11:11:10
reeports that man citeh are also looking at cesc are we REALLY sure he would come back here only as this story is starting to gather pace now. gulp bit worrying for arsenal.

dave

30 May 2013 01:00:51
Hey eds. Do you know how true it is with Man U in talks with barca about Cesc? Even though the sources are crap, it seems to be picking up every other day. I just feel like if Man U are supposedly that close to Cesc, I feel like we should already have him signed with us then. haha what do you think guys? Thanks! {Ed027's Note - Barca have probably asked about him, but Cesc will stay at Barca, and of. They will probably get Thiago

Ok thanks ed027. I'd rather have Cesc stay at Barca if he's to go somewhere instead of Arsenal imo. But anyway it was nice to see Oxlade and Walcott put in a pretty good performance for England. I also feel if we were to get Rooney (not saying we are or have thought about it) that he would fit in well as it looks like he was connecting with Walcott quite a bit and wanted to connect with him. I can't remember if was with Alex though. Either way I think he would be a good fit if he were to come to us for some reason.

Was there not a sell on % Clause in the sale of fab. Think 50% was be touted if true arsenal would only have to bid just over half the rumoured 20 - 25 mil for it to be financially benifical to barca