Arsenal Banter Archive October 31 2013

 

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31 Oct 2013 17:23:26
In January, we should make a huge effort to sign:
Lewandowsi
Mascherano
Begovic
Richards

And sell/release:
Fabianski
Bendtner
Park
Miyaichi

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I could live with that robbie

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Agree Lewandowski but not sure about the others as I don't think they will improve our squad

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I think Mascherano would be a smart addition.

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Lewandowski - yes easy
Mascherano - can cover CDM and CB - so yes
Begovic > Fabianski so yes
Richards - yes but not first choice (must be better RB/CB out there)

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Agree there. Mascherano is a good player and Lewandowski is a beast. I also like the idea of Micah Richards. These guys would add to squad depth without dropping the standard

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31 Oct 2013 16:12:16
I'm disappointed we lost the Discover Card Cup, I mean the Tesco Frequent Shopper Card Cup

Now how about a real match

Bring on the scousers

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31 Oct 2013 13:51:37
A few things I'd like to get off my chest about Tuesday and some of the comments on here.

Ryo and bendtner are not good enough simple as.

I can understand people criticising jenks for his performance on Tuesday but to say he's never going to be good enough is just stupid. He's shown what he can do when he has a run of games and coming of that performance at man city last year all I heard was he could be a future legend and I hope we don't bring sagna back in so stop being fickle he has the potential he just needs to work on his game.

Just one more thing did anyone notice ray Wilkins breath smelt probably all that s**t in his mouth from licking Chelsea's ass. The things he was saying were way over the top. " chelsea wiped the floor with arsenal". "It was almost embarrassing". I thought it was quite a tight game and they scored two goals that could have been avoided especially the first. God I feel better now RANT OVER.

Oh and welcome back ed002

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31 Oct 2013 10:37:12
I feel that there are different opinions as to what is reasonable when it comes to criticising players.
Whilst it was, apparently OK to absolutely crucify Gervinho week after week - who maybe didn't always produce but he sure put in the effort and also to slam Ramsey who again always put in a shift - but for some reason Jenks must only be encouraged or made allowances for.
I absolutely agree about his effort and commitment- but I get very frustrated that for some reason our full backs don't appear to be able to cross a ball consistently - Sagna does the best of the current crop but Jenks drives me mental as he gets past and into position better than anyone - then oops! Surely it must be a coaching problem!

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I completely agree, some players seem immune from critism here whilst others are fair game and exceptable.

Re Jenkinson, he is a liability atm and will never get passed Sagna whilst he's still at teh club. He thinks he's a winger, marauding forward with no thought for his main responsibility. defending. People talk of him being the next England right back but jeez, he needs to learn to hold position and calm the eff down first. And yes, I realise he's young and needs more experience but if that's teh case, Wenger shouldn't be playing him now and we should have a more experienced player in reserve of Sagna.

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No question Jenks needs to add to his game and NO ONE is beyond criticism.
But let's keep it reasonable, fair and in perspective.
Some of the reaction to Jenks and us as a whole was well OTT.
If we wrote every young player off for a bad game here and there we would still be playing George Graham.

Personally at present I don't think Jacks worth a starting place but I wouldn't be stupid enough to suggest we let him go or looked to bring in a replacement, he's young and like Jenks will have a great future, their just not faultless at the moment,

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Fair comments Exiled mate

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31 Oct 2013 08:52:03
could the league cup draw work out any better for us. all the big teams looking like they should progress then play each other can only be good for us. I wanted to go out early in the cup as we couldn't win it with reserves and didn't want the extra games so why does it still hurt so much that we got beat lol.

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Well I don't think anyone is happy we lost, its not like we did not use Giroud and Ozil. but atleast we did not tire them out for that game.

If we beat liverpool on the weekend, it will be worth the loss, but if not then we find ourselves in familiar territory.

i am confident but I am also aware of the threat liverpool pose to us. SAS or whatever is a serious threat.

while our midfield will thrive in running circles around theirs.

I would be more confident if we had flamini. but i'm hoping Arteta and whoever lines up besides him, can hold down the fort.

Ozil needs to step up a gear, make the EPL take notice.

he's a classy player but sometimes out of the game for long stretches. and always out of position as every midfielder we have goes central, and too many players have freedom to move.

anyway I just hope we can win the next one and prepare for man utd. not to forget we got dortmund away before that.

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I noticed the same. I think it may turn out to be positive to be out of the Capital One Cup and even dare I say it the CL. Hopefully we can get the injured players back and make a huge effort in the PL and the FA Cup.

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31 Oct 2013 00:24:40
There have been a few posts commenting that our squad has some short falls when it comes to winning the league, one of them being written by me. They have been met by a few posts saying "stop being so negative" or words to that effect. I feel that is unfair, and those who have come to that conclusion base it on knowing what it takes to win the league.
To voice that we are f**ked if Giroud gets injured isn't being negative, it's being realistic in my opinion. If you have a Bendtner in your squad he must be the last option, but at the moment he is our second option.
If Flamini gets injured we do not have another player in that position who organizes as well as he does. Negativity or saying what your seeing?
As for Jenkinson I said he was a long way off. What I mean by that is if Sagna leaves Jenkinson does not automatically take over, but a quality R.B will need to be brought in. That does not mean I want him out, that would be stupid. He is young and still learning and does need to improve which I'm sure he will, but not voicing what I believe to be pretty obvious would be silly just so that people don't call you "negative."
Another area we are lacking without Walcott is serious pace. An outlet, a chance to go direct and get behind defences. Negative or realistic? It doesn't help that before a balls been kicked at the beginning of a season we usually have 3, 4, 5 players injured, so we're always playing catch up. With everyone available we're looking good, but let's be honest when was the last time EVERYONE was available, (not including Diaby.) Knowing our luck by the time Walcott, Poddy, The Ox and Flamini are back, they will be replaced by the next batch of crocked players on the medical table. I just pray it's not Özil, Cazorla (again) or even worse Giroud. Is that being negative or realistic? Well bearing in mind I'm baseing our injury record on the last several years I believe it to be a legitimate concern.

All I'm saying is it's doesn't mean those who voice such matters are less of a fan, or should f**k off, or my personal favourite "go support someone else then."
This is where we're at. We have improved and are improving. We have a midfield when everyones fit which is the envy of the majority of other clubs when it comes to offence. Which in turn will be a strentgh when it comes to attracting a couple of class forwards. Add to that another ball winning powerhouse fighting Flamini for that position and in the centre we're sorted. A pacey skillful left sided winger (Draxler as an example) and the whole midfield is perfect, first 11 bench and more. If Sagna and Verm leave then obviously they will have to be replaced, with a another C.B brought in. If they turn in to good buys then we will have a Squad where anything is attainable.

Just look at the 98, 02, 04 squads. The Man u's 99 and early to mid noughties teams, and Chelsea's drogba era. When you recognise what it takes to win the big trophies, and notice that your team is not quite there yet it doesn't mean we love them any less, or don't cheer'em on, or aren't happy unless we're moaning about something. I believe it just means we're being realistic that's all.

If you read all of that your place in heaven as been reserved, but you do need to get out more. The only person sadder then those who read this is the person who wrote it ;-)
Now let's go and do Liverpool! COME ON YOU GOONERS
p.s
Giroud sends his love
Flybo

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Disagree, yes we are short in depth compared to other teams (who have all had to spend hundreds of millions of pounds to get that), but why does that mean we can't win the league? I think the reason i'm so excited about this season is that we (in my opinion) have the potential to not only win the league, but to win it our way. One of the things i'm most proud of is that we haven't spent like the other teams, we give young players a chance and do what is good for football. This is a much sweeter way to win the league than buying it like chelsea, united and city. Wenger has proved he is the one who can do it, and I personally think he can again. In terms of your specific issues, we have plenty of pace, Walcott, the Ox, Podolski, Ryo, Gnabry, would all outpace Luiz/Evans/Skrtel/Kompany in a sprint. Defensive midfield we have ramsey, wilshere, arteta and flamini, all of whom I believe are leaders and organisers. Flamini may be special in that position, but the thing about special players is there aren't many of them. "BUY BUY BUY" not only is not very arsenal, but is not good for football, growing your own talent deserves respect.

Finally, while I believe this squad is strong enough to win the league, I think we need a backup forward and someone who can play CB and CDM, like pepe or luiz.

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Barcelona and Bayern Munich were not built in a window, Flybo mate.
We all know this is the beginning and we are not the finished article yet but we are in the best shape for years.
This time last year we would have loved things this bad.
Jenks will be great and like the team is heading for great things in the very near future

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I think we have everything in place to win the league except for out achilles heal which is the amount of injuries we get. would take pod as a back up to giroud every day of the week. imagine rotating diaby with flamini. if we had ox and theo always available were would we fit them in? I really do think our squad is brilliant but know we will be relying on NB52 and players out of position because injuries cripple us.

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31 Oct 2013 08:50:32
AASgooner,
Just a quick response to your comments about players with pace. Podolski is not blessed with pace, and even the ox isn't as fast as you'de think he is. The only player up there with Theo like pace is Myachi, but he's not good enough yet and possibly will not make it. You also compared our wide players to c.bs instead of the wide players who would be marking them. Lastly you said as defensive midfielders we have Ramsey, Wilshere, Arteta and Flamini. Three of those four are not d.Ms. yes Arteta can do a job there in certain games, but is not exactly a Gilberto, but to be fair to him why would he be. It's not his natural position. (And he has no pace).

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I didn't make it clear in this post, but mentioned it in another. I am not expecting us to buy quality in all those positions in just one window, but we could do it in two to three, why not.

We are getting there, it's just I don't see us doing it this year that's all.
Flybo

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I think we`re a few players off winning the EPL this year. I don't enjoy saying it but I`m a realist, our starting 11 whilst very good isn't as good as Chelsea or Man City this year, add in the lack of depth and we`re far behind both those teams this season. As has been said, its not going to change in 1 summer/January buying spree but as long as we add some attacking edge and 1 or 2 more players of the Ozil standard, EPL or CL could be ours very soon.

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Damn fine post flybo but you have to lose the infatuation with Giroud. yes, we all love him but man, you are obsessed (smiles)

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Fair points Flybo and I'm with you mate. We won't do all we need to do in Jan or even the summer window but what most of us agree with is Ozil was the start (and what w start) to a bright new era for us.
Come Saturday we will be top still and people will be saying all good things and Tuesday past will be forgotten as we get excited about Wednesday future.

The future is bright the future is ours :-) :-) :-)

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