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03 Dec 2012 23:32:11
Mannone
Squillaci
Santos
Diaby
Gervinho
Chamakh
Walcott
Need to replace these players.
Ramsey
Rosicky
Djourou
Fabianski
Those donkeys as well
StEvE
Difficult to agree with Walcott's inclusion in this list. Top scorer for us this year and still plenty of potential going forward. Mannone is a decent backup as well. The others for sure.
03 Dec 2012 23:08:15
i've said this before but i'll say it again. people seriously need to stop getting excited about all these big names we're linked with. like gotze for example. as if we will spend 35 million on one player. we might sign someone like hunterlar but personally i would rather give theo what he wants so he will sign contract.i also think we need to sign a strong cdm. arteta is doing a good job but personally i think it would suit him more playing further forward so he's more involved in our attacking and he'd score goals.
another thing. everyone who's calling for wenger to go now needs to slow down because at this time there's no good managers around apart from pep and he's taken a year off. so while arsene is still our manager we need to support him and our team. anyway i don't blame him for our demise i blame the profit mad yanks.
as always feel free to comment
gooner mark
Ok just going to rock the boat here may seem im contradicting myself as yes i dont think for now we will pay £35 mill on a player but just letting you know we did match eden hazard £32mill buy out clause
Even if we did go all in and try to spend millions on a world class player we'd just get outbid by man city, chelsea and the other big spending clubs around europe that can pay treble the wages we pay plus they win trophies.
thanks for comment
gooner mark
Goonermark what you are forgetting is we can offer something that neither of those clubs can - game time. You think Sinclair is happy at City? I do not know any footballer in the world who would rather not play than play. Sinclair is already a millionaire, it shouldn't be about the money. He deluded himself going to City because he was arrogant enough to assume he could somehow displace the talent already there. If he'd gone to Arsenal (not saying I wanted him to) he'd be playing every week.
Yeah mate we can offer game time but as i've said we cannot offer the kind of wages that the big spenders can and unfortunately some good talented players have chosen money over game time. i mean sinclair for starters then look at adam johnson he's ended up at sunderland. i'm not saying he's world class but he'd fit in at arsenal i think
03 Dec 2012 23:05:17
Rumours doing the rounds that mourinho is leaving Madrid in the summer and with the arsene leaving or moving upstairs at the end of the season arsenal could be a serious candidate for his services. We know he isn't afraid to spend money and can attract b the biggest names. So fingers crossed. Not saying its gonna happen so don't slate me for it
Dazza
Don't want him - I want AFC to win and have a legacy
Anyone but him
SY4 {Ed027's Note - he'll win us trophies for a few years, but then what...he leaves and we start all over again, we become a chelsea, inter type of team
He won't come, he needs endless funds to succeed and won't get them here.
03 Dec 2012 22:46:41
i would want to say sorry to rvp why because now i know why he left he left for a reason and this was it we were to blind to see what was coming behind us and stab us yet we got stabbed at look at our situation
secret rider
Your posts make less and less sense by the day! :)
03 Dec 2012 22:29:22
This is what is going to happen. Arsenal will stay maddeningly inconsistent until the transfer window ends, people will be ripping their hair out over Wenger or the board not shelling out for a striker (last time it was a left back) and then Arsenal will go on a good run of form, Spurs will fall away and top four will be theirs. It will feel like an achievement because of the hard job they made of it and who knows, the Capital One Cup seems in reach. I'm not sure with Arsenal but all the hoo-ha the fans make, I can never buy into. Wenger is a phenomenal manager. He fits in with the board and delivers the best results for them at the best price but maybe that perfect harmony between the two of them isn't so perfect with the fans. It's that balance that needs sorting at Arsenal. That's it. There is nothing fatal going on at that club. Chants of 'we want our Arsenal back' and the black scarf movement (or whatever it's called) or the stadium totally emptying when they concede a goal makes me just think, have a look over at Rangers Newco, that's a crisis.
True - two or three signings ( quality ) and we will be fine
Problem is we have been 2 or 3 short for 4 years
Keep the faith and back the club
I want my boy to have a team to support in 10 years time
SY4
03 Dec 2012 21:49:22
Did anyone hear what wenger said, buying in Jan won't solve arsenals problems. This means no buys in Jan mid table hear we come
Yanman
03 Dec 2012 21:31:07
Reading a lot of posts that we are 5 points from th 5th position. Not many says we are 15 points from the top, have we given up already?
Ash
Only the sensible ones. 4th even 3rd if Chelski keep the Spanish waiter. Flybo
Yes.
G95
Well done ash
champagne charlie
03 dec 2012 21:29:51
for any 1 that is interested there was 2000 loyal supporters who attended th b.s.m walk on saturday.
other supporters did their own protest by boycotting the game.
well done lads.
champagne charlie
04 Dec 2012 10:08:22
When is the next one?
Not sure,when i find out i will post it.
champagne charlie
03 Dec 2012 21:18:19
i know walcott is in the middle of a purple patch but the weekend showed him back to his inconsistent self, i wouldnt be suprised if he did f*** All for a month or two...
onto my main couple of points:
i really want to see djourou play DM tommorow, as we need someone there and before wenger changed him to a CB (genius :S) he was a strong powerful DM and i wanted to see eisfield is he in the squad? bradford next week = banana skin if were not careful
and oh you want banter? arsene wenger signing someone ........ oh wait thats the punch line
any one flying out to watch arsenal B in greece tommorow?
comments welcome...
Yorkshire Gooner Joe :D
Yorkshire gooner Joe
I laughed!
Djourou hasn't even gone to Greece - and as I suggested in another post the reserves would be nothing without Eisfeld and that's why he played yesterday instead of travelling to Greece today. Nice one Wenger. Bet he's really glad he left Dortmund.
Metal Gooner
Djourou Dm? I laughed hes useless on the ball....
P.s. wasn't criticising you Joe, was just letting you know Djourou isn't in the squad..
Metal Gooner
03 Dec 2012 21:05:59
STONER, i wanted to bring this conversation to the main BANTER PAGE,i hope you dont mind.
we got around 24 mill which is usually paid over a 4 year period.
we could end up loosing £40 mill in cl revenue and every 1 thinks the club is being run properly.
rvp would have been the difference with the club qualifying easily and even a genuine run at the title and maybe even getting him to sign a new contract.
every 1 goes on about how arsene has been at the club for years and what he has done for the club,so why did he not tell the board robin was going know where?I AM 100% SURE IF WENGER WANTED HIM TO STAY WITH THE CHANCE OF HIM GOING ON FREE,HE WOULD STILL BE AT THE CLUB.
The revolt started the year we let cesc,nasri and clichy went.
I BELIEVE IF WE HAD KEPT SONG AND RVP WE WOULD OF BEEN VERY,VERY CLOSE TO WINNING THE PL TITLE.
WE HAVE NO AMBITION EXCEPT CL QUALIFICATION AND 0% DEBT AND ITS ALL BEEN FUNDED BY EXTORTIONATE PRICE THEY CHARGE THE FANS.
IF WENGER IS NOT BEHIND OR EVEN SUPPORTS THESE POLICY'S HE SHOULD OF SAID GIVE ME THE MONEY OR I AM GOING.
THE CLUB SHOULD HOLE THEIR HEADS IN SHAME THEY ARE A DISGRACE
champagne charlie
Charlie, the RVP situation was a gamble either way and still is for MANU.
The stats say that he is more likely than not to pick up a serious injury, if we had have kept him and given him the money he wanted we would have had all our eggs in one basket, Mark my words he will not get through this season in full. The gamble has backfired so far as his goals have got them where they are, take them away and they would probably be worse off than us.
The gamble was to get 2 players being Podolski and Giroud for the price and wages of RVP alone, and at the moment it has not worked, however it is by no means over yet and things could look very different if RVP gets injured.
Now before you shoot e down, I do not agree with this gamble, but can see the logic behind it - I would have kept him, but we really don't know what went on.
It,s all well and good us blaming AW or the board, but as you have pointed out if he had of stayed we would be challenging, the same with all the others that have spouted the same reasons for leaving. When you look at the facts, they have all doubled their wages when they have left and most of them are not playing regularly either.
Although I agree, a change is needed we cannot be held to ransom by players like Nasri etc...... Who were nobody before they cameand after one half decent season want their wages doubled.
Chin up gooners, it could be worse we could have AVB as manager!
337
So true Charlie. If AW gave an ultimatum the board would give in considering all he has done for the club. As it stands, Wenger is just as guilty as the board if not more. But get used to mediocrity, Stan will never sell and it seems like the dinosaurs will never croak. Sad times ahead.
Ezdee
03 Dec 2012 19:56:26
We all suspect Wenger will move up to a Chief Executive role at Arsenal at the end of this season or next depending on whether we turn it around in 2013.
Now I would love to ask him these questions today:
Would a season without a trophy mean the manager you appointed would be sacked? 2 seasons? 3?
What about a finish outside of top 4 in the Prem?
I actually think these last two seasons has made an executive job at Arsenal a very difficult position for Wenger to do well in.
scenario 1) If Wenger's manager of choice fails to get into the top 4, this would be a massive failure compared to the last 13 seasons, and he would have to be sacked after one season. WENGER FAIL
2) The new manager got a top 2 finish in the league and/or won a trophy, a club success but Wenger would be proven to have been an underachiever as a manager. WENGER FAIL
3) The new manager does a wenger and just gets a top 4 finish. this shows no progress. WENGER FAIL
Wenger would be in a lose-lose-lose situation and would have to give his sucessor a lot of money to spend so that any resulting success or failure could be blamed solely on the spending. but then we know he would really be in charge of the spending so not even that could work.
My point is, Wenger says lets review the situation at the end of the season, this is his choice. But the scenarios shown above mean next year he will be shown to be a failure, whatever happens.
The best thing he could do is make the move now, mid season, work closely with the next manager for the rest of this season, keep on track for fourth place, then the full debut season next year can't show him up as much.
or he leaves the club altogether. which until this season was unthinkable, cos he really is arsenal to the bone.
se goonor
WENGER FAIL. lol
This sort of post that makes you think is the reason why I come on this site in the first place.
Honestly you've made some great points - people seem to think that we would suddenly spend the money we have if Wenger stayed at the club of course we wouldn't. And who do you think will be in control of transfers? It is much harder to relinquish control than to walk away from it. It is not fair that any manager who comes in is not given the same freedom that Wenger has had to make the signings he sees fit. I just think that despite some pros and regardless of whether or not Wenger has earned it, keeping him at the club will hinder our progression as a club in the modern era of football. I think he should do the right thing, enjoy his millions and sail off into the sunset and let a new day begin.
Metal Gooner
03 Dec 2012 19:47:41
Newcastle are in 14th which won't please any of their top players. Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote, Ba ,Cisse
I would like us to take advantage of their situation
03 Dec 2012 20:34:19
Man City are second - which wont please players or owners. - I'd like to take advantage of the situation.
How long will they be in 14th place though
Yeah lets buy half a Newcastle side that can only muster 14th place, that should solve all our problems............
1404
Listen, firstly 1404 that's a really childish comment, they have some amazing players who would definitely improve our squad. AGAIN - Wigan were what, 16th at the end of the season? Does this mean Moses shouldn't be at Chelsea? No.
You think we've had problems this season think again. We've a couple of players out here and there, sure, but we've been used to that. They have been playing game with 7 first team players out, even more, we've had a far more consistent starting 11 than they have and there is no doubt they will climb the table. Ba, Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Cisse would all be big improvements on regular first teamers we have at AFC. Tiote is the only one I wouldn't want, last thing we need in a team where we need all 11 players and then magic to win simple games is to bring in a DM who has a card addiction.
Metal Gooner
03 Dec 2012 18:35:17
Some bad news..
Squilacci, Ramsey and Chamakh could all start against Olympiakos.
Anyone else feel like crying?
03 Dec 2012 19:50:38
Would this not of been an opportunity to play Eisfeld, he could of been left out of the U21's.
Or have I missed something re injury etc?
Stoner
You'll be crying tears of joy when Ramsey finds Chamakh and he scores the winning goal!
2-0 to arsenal Chamakh to score both
337
In wengers words...quality players
I think its great, put all the duds on the pitch at once.
and lets hear the post match interview where he talks about mental strength in this team.
chamapgne charlie
Focus on the positives. Players like Arshavin, Ramsey, Rosicky....players fighting for a place in the first team. Young Coquelian, Miquel and Eisfeld will get a chance. Hey better than putting out Carzorla and Gibbs to get injured...
Detroit Gooner
I'm no fan of Chamak but the one game he was involved with this season (Reading) he was awesome! Anyone else like to see him paired with Giroud upfront for a game? Can't be any worse than the last few games? Also why is Theo still not being given a chance? Gerv is poor yet Wengers given him a few chances to play upfront!
If he does field a team of duds then the club should refund all the fans going out there tomorrow, especially as only a week ago he said he was fielding his strongest team.
This year there's no point finishing top due to every group being so competitive. Rest our players. As for eisfield he's not eligible
03 Dec 2012 18:28:56
I love this statement " If Wenger goes now...who would we replace him with?".....as if the lack of an immediately apparent replacement means that we must continue with the same old status quo? We need new ideas....new tactics....new formations, and most certainly new signings! If Wenger refuses, or is not capable of providing these changes immediately then a replacement who can is needed and the search should begin. Stop living in fear of life without Wenger, and start caring about the future of our beloved club!
North Carolina Gooner.
Top post N.C.G.
champagne charlie
The last thing kronke is going to do is fire wenger. If it backfires and the new manager sucks, which most likely he will, unless its pep guardiola or klopp or mourinho, i cant see any difference.
the only thing will be the new manager will take the helm depending on the transfer budget at his disposal. wenger thinks too much outside of football, probabilities and permutations outside the football pitch which handicap him from spending and trying to win.
football is about winning. but we dont know what goes on at the club, every board member or shareholder including dean have all sold out for money, so in that perspective for wenger who earns a salary, which he deserves on merit means that he is the best man for the job. how long we persevere with him and how long he can keep his cool will be determined in time.
Lakerville
03 Dec 2012 18:14:27
Glad to see Bould gave the lads a custard pie after Swansea game. Wenger shoes to much faith in his players. How long would Squillaci, Chamahk and Gervinhio lasted at Man U under Fergie. If Wenger does leave end of season (hope he doesn't) a manager who will make a change and revamp the squad and hopefully with the backing of the board.
Detroit Gooner
03 Dec 2012 18:06:09
Apparently Man Utd have agreed a £12m fee for Lewandowski.
A: £12m ?!
B: They'd have a strike force of Lewandowski, Van Ballsack, Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck.
And we'd, in comparison, have Giroud, Podolski, Gervinho Walcott and Chamakh.
Out of that lot, we have two strikers, playing out wide,
Podolski and Walcott and one winger playing up top in Gervinho.
Being a gunner is becoming painful.
D
Dont believe what the papers say...nothing is a done deal, and why exactly would united buy another strike on top of the 4 they have help them?
well only time will tell, but lets forget about other teams and concentrate on ours...its not like we are contending with those teams to bother what goes on with them.
Lakerville
03 Dec 2012 17:53:35
We go on about young talent, but all we do is sell ours too early instead of seeing our investment come to fruition, or we loan them (JET, Ozyakup, Bartley, Aneke, Afobe etc etc etc) yet we persist with expensive players who bring nothing to the team, consistently.
Who would you rather have? Victor Moses (£10m) or The Ox (£12-15m)? Anyone who says The Ox simply does not watch Victor Moses play football. Bias to the highest order. Although mostly a sub, he's been one Chelsea's best, most consistent and most direct players all season, probably only behind Mata. He tore Sagna a new one and he justifies the shirt. £10m for a player worth twice that.
Benteke - £7m. 19 goals a season from an U21s player is exceptional. Doesn't matter about the league. He probably had far worse players supplying him in Genk than he would at Arsenal.
Diame - free signing - what a player. Direct Diaby replacement, would have been perfect for us.
Rodrigo - spain U21 striker, 16 goals in 38 games last season. Benfica player. Just the sort of young signing we should be making. Current value - just under £9m
Bonno Wilfried - Ivory Coast striker, age 23: top scorer so far in the Eredivisie with 15 goals in 13 games. Value - £7m
Alfred Finnbogason - age 23 - 11 goals in 8 games for Heerenveen...and in his last 40 games, 29 goals 10 assists. Value - according to transfermarkt, this cannot be right, £875'000 although he's contracted til 2015 so am sure that value should be around £6m or something.
Graziano Pelle - 27 - 8 games 10 goals in the Eredivisie this season. Again value will be off but it says 1m Euros.
El Shaarawy - 20 - value £15m would probably cost us towards double, 12 goals in 15 games. World class prospect, just the sort of signing we should be happy to spend money on.
Erik Lamela - 20 - 12 games 8 goals. Winger. £16m - again potential world class prospect.
Stefan Kiessling - 28 - scored 9 in 29 two seasons ago, scored 17 in 43 last season, and has scored 10 in 16 so far this season for Leverkusen. Fringes of the German National Team and valued at £7.5m . Fantastic squad striker if we needed one.
Alex Meier - 29 - 9 goals in 15 games for Frankfurt so far this season, Frankfurt are 5th in the league. They were promoted in the summer and Meier scored 17 goals in 19 games to help them. Again a potential back up.
Shock striker - ADAM SZALAI - Aged 24, FC Mainz - had a poor record but has come alive this season scoring 11 goals in 17 appearances - valued at under £3m
For perspective - Papiss Cisse - 24 goals in 34 games in his last full season for Freiburg, then 9 goals in 17 before moving to Newcastle for EIGHT MILLION and scoring 13 goals in 14 games in his first season.
This has taken me about 15 mins to compile, and hasn't included the French League, our leagues, the Spanish league (apart from Rodrigo), the portuguese league...I could probably add another 5-10 strikers to that list who would cost us under 10m, be good for easily 10 goals a season if we had a good supply chain, and who would give us far greater options than Gervinho and Chamakh (and Theo probably).
There is no excuse for us to be loaning Henry as the only option. I expect some movement in January because we need it, not because I am deluded. If we see none, I cannot see much going well for the club. You can put money on other clubs strengthening in January- we got weaker in the summer, strengthening in Jan in the minimum we should be doing!
Very insightful, very soon you will have a lot of wenger fans say these are not "Arsenal quality", though if you ask them the ones Wenger has bought are "Arsenal quality" or not.
Good to see Arsenal finally feeling some heat, he has gotten too comfortable in his job.
Ash
I really love it watched them on youtube great players wilfred is extreamly strong and could be world class but for me dont feel he i the man for the job
secret rider
03 Dec 2012 17:41:21
have just seen the squad for tues night game in greece, cant see where arsenal are gonna score from... this squad is a joke & shows that wenger is loosing the plot!! get wenger out & get pep guardiola in b4 he goes elsewhere...
03 Dec 2012 17:36:20
Ok I was there on sat and I have to say we seem to be stuck in a bit of a vicious circle regarding the fans and our team we both need each other to give the other a lift but neither is willing to make the first move it was the same last season the atmosphere at the emirates is very poor at the moment the spuds win should of been the boost we fans needed to get behind our team but is seems 2 away draws have nullified that
I don't blame anyone for not being over the moon at our performances lets face it its very hard watching your team pass sideway and backwards when ever we have the ball with no movement and no one willing to get in the box then we go a goal down and start to pack the box out and push up instead of getting the ball in the box we try and pass it into it in injury time and give it away to concede again what's the point of PM4 getting in the box if we are not going to get the ball in there at every opportunity 1 nil down with moments to go you should just get the ball in there asap
I don't know if I want Wenger out or not I don't think any other manager could of kept us in the top 4 the last 7 years with the funds and players that have left but like most people I'm in limbo as to weather its Wenger being stubborn or the board not backing him and I think we wont get any answers until he has left as he is a loyal man
One thing I'm am certain on is something at our club needs to change weather its manager or the board I don't know but neither of them can expect us to pay some of the highest prices around to watch some of the most average football Arsenal has ever played they might of got away with us not winning anything when we was still playing some of the best football about but now its just poor
I think Wenger has tried to build a team but every year we lose players if we would have kept some of them just think how our team would be witch make me think its not all Wenger's fault we all know he did not want to sell no longer can we say we have a young team in a few years they will be great as many of them players have jumped ship and its just not the case anymore Wenger did build a team that would be at the top now if it stayed together but we sold most of it before it peaked
Iv got my tickets for next sat and I will be there and I will try and lift the team anyway I can no matter how poor they are
Maybe we fans need to take drastic action for anymore for our club to take notice maybe all go on strike for one game before Jan to the let the club know we wont sit back and watch our great club decline I don't think calling for Wenger' head will do us any good I think our problems run deeper than that and as long as we sit back and do nothing its not going to change
RG
(PS our Fans might be finding it hard to get behind our team right now but a lot of us showed real class on Sat when we stayed behind to clap Swansea off the pitch)
03 Dec 2012 17:35:42
French club PSG are asking Wenger if he would join them and leave Arsenal. If this does happen Arsenal are likely to replace him with Roberto Di Mattao
General manager, Dennis Bergkamp
Goalkeeper coach, David Seaman
Defensive coach , Tony Adams
Midfield coach, Patrick Veirra
Forward coach, Teirry Henry
Hows that look?
Vieira is heading up one of the biggest projects in the world of football at City, he is not coming back to Arsenal.
03 Dec 2012 19:04:59
Who would everyone's ideal manager be for Arsenal? Obviously be pep guardiola or mourinho would be amazing!
But Jurgen Klopp for me is a possibility or even David Moyes.
Even a combination of Bergkamp and Henry?
And my ideal signings would be:
GK Adler
Full Back Schmelzer?
CB/Full Back Mbwia/Sakho
CDM Wanayama
CAM/Winger Reus/Gotze/Erikson
Striker Doumbia/Lewandowski/Dzeko
Going to have to spend big!!
Clueless!
Pep and mourinho will only go to a club where money is no object and they can sign any player they desire, they would be found out in no time with our spending policy.
The only suggestion which makes any sense was either Henry or Dennis but not together, and Henry is still a player so would have to be Dennis, but he would need help from above, so who better than AW?
Have a look at the bookmakers odds, bookies don't offer odds without traders researching them and most of the names mentioned are long shots i.e. the bookies have an idea they have no chance, the favourites are Pep (probably due to money placed cutting his odds) then Pardew and Oneil and Bould all shorter than 10's, the dark horse in with them is Remi Garde (probably due to Arsenal link), bookmakers are often wrong but only when money is going on and the odds are adjusted to make a round book. I would say the bookers get the opening odds right most times and if they have this time Klopp etc have no chance and Pardew has either been backed in or their contacts are telling them something.
Make of this what you want but I know P Hillwood would like to keep the club as English as possible... perish the thought we end up with Pardew... I'm hoping he's short odds due to people putting money on him whilst Newcastle where on a run last season :-)
03 Dec 2012 18:42:52
I dont think sacking Wenger is the correct option, the squad is a little on the creative grounds we all agree.
There is lots of talk about Arshavin, Chamakh and co leaving in Jan if this is the case then i hope we do bring in new attacking blood.
I dont agree making managerial changes during the season plus i believe Wenger has built up enough credit to give this season and see where we lie at the end. My guess if were not in CL places he will walk anyway so give him the chance he more than deserves. Stop listening to pundits who say we should spend a fortune and buy lots of expensive players they dont make success a 100% certainty. Yes like most of you, i dont agree with us paying the prices we do for matches and not seeing trophies coming in. Gazidis seems to bringing in some big commercial deals so hopefully we will spend in January. As for people interpreting Wengers comments today about spending he isnt going to tell the world he has 75M to spend and he is going to spend it as it just drives up prices. Lets not forget as has been brought to the front agian last week we did bid 20M for Reina so Wenger will spend if it comes to it.
100% trust in Wenger
Holmesy
03 Dec 2012 18:36:43
Second half of the season, Eisfeld should be a first team player.
Either that, or send him on loan...
Get him on the fast track to the first 11...that should be a priority
US Gooner
03 Dec 2012 17:12:30
Ok I was there on sat and I have to say we seem to be stuck in a bit of a vicious circle regarding the fans and our team we both need each other to give the other a lift but neither is willing to make the first move it was the same last season the atmosphere at the emirates is very poor at the moment the spuds win should of been the boost we fans needed to get behind our team but is seems 2 away draws have nullified that
I don't blame anyone for not being over the moon at our performances lets face it its very hard watching your team pass sideway and backwards when ever we have the ball with no movement and no one willing to get in the box then we go a goal down and start to pack the box out and push up instead of getting the ball in the box we try and pass it into it in injury time and give it away to concede again what's the point of PM4 getting in the box if we are not going to get the ball in there at every opportunity 1 nil down with moments to go you should just get the ball in there asap
I don't know if I want Wenger out or not I don't think any other manager could of kept us in the top 4 the last 7 years with the funds and players that have left but like most people I'm in limbo as to weather its Wenger being stubborn or the board not backing him and I think we wont get any answers until he has left as he is a loyal man
One thing I'm am certain on is something at our club needs to change weather its manager or the board I don't know but neither of them can expect us to pay some of the highest prices around to watch some of the most average football Arsenal has ever played they might of got away with us not winning anything when we was still playing some of the best football about but now its just poor
I think Wenger has tried to build a team but every year we lose players if we would have kept some of them just think how our team would be witch make me think its not all Wenger's fault we all know he did not want to sell no longer can we say we have a young team in a few years they will be great as many of them players have jumped ship and its just not the case anymore Wenger did build a team that would be at the top now if it stayed together but we sold most of it before it peaked
Iv got my tickets for next sat and I will be there and I will try and lift the team anyway I can no matter how poor they are
Maybe we fans need to take drastic action for anymore for our club to take notice maybe all go on strike for one game before Jan to the let the club know we wont sit back and watch our great club decline I don't think calling for Wenger' head will do us any good I think our problems run deeper than that and as long as we sit back and do nothing its not going to change
RG
(PS our Fans might be finding it hard to get behind our team right now but a lot of us showed real class on Sat when we stayed behind to clap Swansea off the pitch)
Personally, I think clapping the opposition makes not only the team, but the WHOLE club look pathetic and fickle.
CheetahChaz97
Sometimes you have to give it to the team that outplays you...that is class.
Disagree with the reply - I think we showed our class as fans there, well played to the fans who applauded Swansea. At the same time, we showed the club exactly what we want to see - some nice football. That's all the fans ask for. It's been going down the pan more and more as the last 6 years have passed and all the fans want is the team to play nice football and show some determination to win games.
Lets hope we're applauding our own players soon.
Metal Gooner
Points taken, but if United outplayed us i doubt we'd be clapping them. In my eyes it's exactly the same, forget about the rivalry, because I live near Swansea and the reaction i'm getting from the jacks is that they think arsenal are a very soft team.
CheetahChaz97
03 Dec 2012 15:45:47
Ok I was there on sat and I have to say we seem to be stuck in a bit of a vicious circle regarding the fans and our team we both need each other to give the other a lift but neither is willing to make the first move it was the same last season the atmosphere at the emirates is very poor at the moment the spuds win should of been the boost we fans needed to get behind our team but is seems 2 away draws have nullified that
I don't blame anyone for not being over the moon at our performances lets face it its very hard watching your team pass sideway and backwards when ever we have the ball with no movement and no one willing to get in the box then we go a goal down and start to pack the box out and push up instead of getting the ball in the box we try and pass it into it in injury time and give it away to concede again what's the point of PM4 getting in the box if we are not going to get the ball in there at every opportunity 1 nil down with moments to go you should just get the ball in there asap
I don't know if I want Wenger out or not I don't think any other manager could of kept us in the top 4 the last 7 years with the funds and players that have left but like most people I'm in limbo as to weather its Wenger being stubborn or the board not backing him and I think we wont get any answers until he has left as he is a loyal man
One thing I'm am certain on is something at our club needs to change weather its manager or the board I don't know but neither of them can expect us to pay some of the highest prices around to watch some of the most average football Arsenal has ever played they might of got away with us not winning anything when we was still playing some of the best football about but now its just poor
I think Wenger has tried to build a team but every year we lose players if we would have kept some of them just think how our team would be witch make me think its not all Wenger's fault we all know he did not want to sell no longer can we say we have a young team in a few years they will be great as many of them players have jumped ship and its just not the case anymore Wenger did build a team that would be at the top now if it stayed together but we sold most of it before it peaked
Iv got my tickets for next sat and I will be there and I will try and lift the team anyway I can no matter how poor they are
Maybe we fans need to take drastic action for anymore for our club to take notice maybe all go on strike for one game before Jan to the let the club know we wont sit back and watch our great club decline I don't think calling for Wenger' head will do us any good I think our problems run deeper than that and as long as we sit back and do nothing its not going to change
RG
(PS our Fans might be finding it hard to get behind our team right now but a lot of us showed real class on Sat when we stayed behind to clap Swansea off the pitch)
You said it all in your last sentence.
"you stayed behind to clap swansea"
champagne charlie
03 Dec 2012 15:31:15
"In England, response is always to sort problems by buying players. It's one way to do it, I don't deny it, & if we need it we'll do it" - Arsene Wenger.
Translation to English = " We may arrange a loan / bargain buy, but I don't really want to, whatever is left, I will take to the pub with Pete and Ivan"
D
D,
the way i see that statement is he is going at the end of the season.
why would he start spending NOW when he never did before.
the transfer kitty will be given to the new manager.
champagne charlie
Good point Charlie, unless he feels he needs to do something to give himself more time?
D
It'a double-edged as with anything he says sadly.
In fairness to him, he said yesterday or on sunday, we need to sort problems from the inside NOW because there are many games between now and the transfer window. That is a fair comment. I don't think he wants to be drawn on transfers yet, probably as he doesn't want the confidence of this to drop any more. I am hoping that's what it is. He has made the usual hollow comments about having a list and if people on the list become available then he will buy...which usually amounts to nothing though.
I think he knows full well we need some changes in Jan if we are to finish top 4, no question.
Both the club and manager have come out and said there is money and we are looking. Therefore, if we sign nobody, there is no excuse save for what charlie has said - perhaps he knows he is going, fears the worst for this season, and the funds will be kept for another manager. Debatable but entirely plausible.
But then as fans we have the right to ask 'well if you're prepared to spend money on players to try and climb the table after we lose top 4, why wouldn't you do it to prevent this in the first place?'
Metal Gooner
03 Dec 2012 14:00:48
Criticism for shavers needs to stop, this kid doesnt do tap ins just watch!
Andrey Arshavin all goals for Arsenal 2008 to 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYTY50P6Wn0 ...... he just needs more confidence and support!
Grimsby gooner
Grimsby gooner he will not be at the club come january.
for the last 2 seasons he has done nothing except collect his £75k a week wages
3 words "clutching at straws"
champagne charlie
He has been electric this season - we will be so foolish to sell him. Say goodbye to our cup runs if we sell him in January, that's all I can say.
Metal Gooner
Arshavin also won a trophy with Zenit last season whilst on loan, so has that recent experience of winning something. He has been very impressive generally this season and deserves at least till the end of the season to show what he can do. AW however thinks that £2m is too much to lose and may cash in to line his and the board members pockets.
Champagne charlie, the reason he has done nothing is because he is consistently played out of position, what that video shows us is that he needs to play as the second striker to mop up all the loose ends, his vision is excellent and his shooting is comparable only to cazorla. Arshavin cannot defend so why wenger plays him on the wing is beyond me! If he played in the second striker role you would see a dramatic improvement..... He is also a confidence player therfore the fans need to get behind him and hopefully he stays till the end of the season!!
Grimsby Gooner
03 Dec 2012 14:38:04
For those of us that need a bit of cheering up. I would recommend going to Mail online and reading " Tottenham fan. Cheer up Arsenal supporters." I'm not saying those of you that are depressed with our predicament are going to change your stance, but at least it's a reminder of what it must be like to be a realistic spud fan. Rather than one of those deluded ones.
Also, if any of you truely believe we won't get top 4, let me remind you last season we were 10 points behind the spuds further on in the season. I know were 10th, and not playing well, but the maths state that were 4 points off 4th. If we can at the very least keep it that way until Jan, then strengthen, (which I truely believe we will) then all we need is a manager who has the ability of getting a team into the top 4..... Ohh wait a minute
UP THE GOONERS. Flybo
Thats more like it, Keep it up Flybo, kinda getting fed up with the doom and gloom.
But that defeats the logic...the real point is that the EPL is no better than the la liga...if its city vs utd.
are you happy with arsenal being the next valencia?
chelsea are just mad hence their situation, but the talent in that team does exist in bunches.
Exactly. None of us are happy at paying the most expensive prices and settlin for top 4. It's not about the top 4 we want top 1. We pay top prices we deserve top spot. I appreciate the positive vibes but don't be fooled into falling victim to believing the top 4 is a trophy and something to be proud of.
Bradders
Don't get me wrong Bradders, I don't see top 4 as a trophy. It's the bare minimum, but the players that we want to attract will only come if we're in the c.l. With the sponsorship contract improvements and new Premier league extra bunce, we are finally coming out of the real restrictions we've been in. Especially the first 5 years at the Emirates. So if we can get 4th this season we'll be challenging for the title once more. Where we belong. Flybo
03 Dec 2012 14:15:10
hey guys..not feeling really well but laying in bed has given me time to think about where arsenals problems really lie..
1) STAN KROENKE
the guy just paid £80m for a ranch but cant pay to get good quality players..the man does not even come to watch arsenal games unlike abramovic who can see where the problems lie..in short he doesnt care about any of the teams he owns..he only cares about profits thst will actually stop flowing when champions league football stops dawning the emirates..
2) ARSENE WENGER
The man WAS a total genius.but we cant leave in the past..tactics are really wrong nowadays.also he isnt as ruthless as lets say fergy...against reading fergy removed rafael because he was under perfoming..but with wenger even gervinho who did nothing plays on untill the 72nd min..he has lost his touch completely..
3)THE SQUAD
lets just face it.man for man apart from attack we are better than UTD! but theres only one difference..arsenal have a better squad but UTD have a better TEAM! those guys play for each other..thats what we luck..that unitedness across the pitch...
so in short get rid of kroenke..lets see how wenger csn do with good funding and buy a defensive midfielder whose tough and has no fear...also atleas a winger and a striker..
iwarutiis
We do not have a better squad than United!
G95
That's all fine but United have a better squad than Arsenal any day of the week...
Gav
MANCHESTER UTD HAVE RVP.
NEED I SAY ANYTHING ELSE.
CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE
03 Dec 2012 14:07:23
Ian Holloway has just come out stating that the Wilf is not going anywhere, in his words they can scream shout, jump up and down and throw the toys out of the pram, he is here to stay...not saying he wont be traded but it doesnt look like he is going for peanuts either.
dont believe all this Man utd have started talks or arsenal have started talks...fact is they are not going to start any discussion if the fee does not involve 20 million, bottom line apparently.
now on to pepe reina, how much will he cost arsenal? 10 million? you reckon liverpool will just sell him? they need to buy but selling a keeper for 10 million is not likely, and this seems like a deal more likely for the summer if at all.
and it looks like the thierry deal maybe the only likley solution, but the red bulls are not likely to approve the deal, due to henry's injury situations.
anyway make of it what you will, but it looks like january is going to be another window of excuses.
Lakerville.
03 Dec 2012 14:01:00
You'll see that even in a country which is having a rough economic phase, the Greek fans make their stadium an intimidating place for the opposition to come.
It's not just olympiakos, it's just about every team; small or big numbers, they make noise.
With 60,000 fans at the Emirates, we should be able to make at least half the noise the Greeks make, even that would make opponents rubbish bricks.
An arsenal chant with everyone involved sends shivers down my spine, I just love hearing it.
Let's make more noise at the emirates.
For those who dont know, you'll see what I'm talking about if you watch the olympiakos game.
If not just go on YouTube or something.
Xorto Magiko (magic weed) is unbelievable.
Let's make the Emirates an unbelievable place to go.
Nick.
Someone this week on here suggested rolling 11 cannons out onto the pitch at the start of games, shooting fireworks up or shooting merchandise into the crowd.
and images of legends and songs on the big screens during the games.
and cheerleaders.
an expensive day out at the library needs some modern upgrades so every game is a special one
03 Dec 2012 13:47:35
Everyone saying wenger out, seriously, if he did go, who would take over and do a better job? Tbh i can't think of anyone, maybe pep, but he won't come to arsenal he's waiting for the utd job. Dortmond manager won't come to us. So in reality if we did get rid of wenger, we would have no one to take over.
03 Dec 2012 12:52:11
Huntellar (Schalke) > Chamackh
Adrian Lopez (Atletico) > Arshavin
Strootman (PSV) > Ramsey
Felliani? (Everton) > Diaby
Criscito (Zenit) > Santos
Bogdan (Bolton) > Fabianski
Never happen but would be amazing, these sort of players would bring pace and power to our team, The players coming to the end of the contracts, Chamackh, Squid etc, and offloading a few others would free up a SIGNIFICANT amount of wages. The money IS there, the need to improve the squad is NOW, the players ARE out there. FFS the world and his wife can see to compete we have to move along with the times and stop shopping in the bargain bin in the hope we can unearth a gem, im not on about 40-50-60million pound players. All the players above would be achievable, we have the stadium, the facilities, THE FANS!!, either AW spends in January or for me has to go!! we cant carry on producing second rate football.
Steve Bould HAS to be given full reign on the defensive coaching and sort the shambles of Zonal marking out, get rid of it. Get Petit in as midfield coach, Bring Henry in as an attacking coach. the options are out there, doing an AW and wanting to be in complete control of everything is strangling the life out of this club!!
A P1ssed off N. Wales Gunner
03 Dec 2012 13:31:14
Drive and determination.
Tiredness is one thing, passion is another.
I play football twice a week, have a 9am to 7pm job monday to friday and every alternate saturday myself and a few others play in a band at pubs.
now stay with me here...
in terms of football on a pitch playing 11 aside, i maybe perhaps the 10th best player on the field of 22...and i was constantly being told by my team mates i need to push more, run more...and we can keep winning if we all get on the same page.
last 3 games...i started thinking to myself...screw the skill and finesse...just go all out...play to win...no matter what...be a freaking warrior...and this is no exaggeration as many of you may think...but i have been the best player on the pitch scoring 4 goals over 3 games and i play LM...but playing defense like no one's business. i have come out of games exhausted but absolutely chuffed that we have won it.
All im saying is...it was a mental block...i was happy playing in a team, getting a run out... obviously its not a professional league...but then surrounded by players who are determined to win...brought it out of me...i hate losing...i want to win...and with that in my head...i just cant stand still now...
now perhaps the best players at arsenal need to push those lesser players...because playign against squillachi and chamakh is not training to play the likes of kompany or RVP. anyway i am quite depressed at the state of our team..
zaha is not going to leave in jan, reina will not leave in january either and its only going to be thierry on loan...and more excuses...i guess we have become predictable on and off the pitch.
Lakerville
03 Dec 2012 13:27:29
The more I read on this site, the more it freaks me out how brainwashed and scared of change the majority of posters on here are with regards to management at Arsenal.
Sally you've asked 'who could do better with this team?' - possibly the most naive question I have ever read. I don't say that intending any offence, it's just common sense. Anyone who gets a lesser team playing better football, with different use of tactics, would do better than Wenger currently is. That's obvious. To say they couldn't is not only way off the mark, but as I keep saying, an insult to those managers who get their teams playing lovely football.
I honestly believe most of you don't watch anything except Match of The Day and Arsenal games. Seriously - go and watch 10 Liverpool games. Watch 10 Wigan games. Watch 10 Swansea games. These managers are not fluking anything. So what Liverpool are below us? Only just. And they have the long term view - they have said enough is enough and they have begun a long term project with a modern manager who knows what he wants to achieve, has the guts to try it and the plan to see it through. This is just what we need.
I really would just ask for some general changes on here - we all know I can moan like the best of them - but please could people stop saying that players who destroyed us the last 2 or 3 times they've played us are not good enough for us? And could you stop saying that managers who get far 'lesser' players playing exceptional football against the top sides are also 'not good enough' because it simply isn't true - you're just afraid of change. Man Up. Change your outlook on the management system at Arsenal.
Wenger needs to go at the end of this season, no question. Thanks for everything Arsene. And he should NOT move upstairs, that is ludicrous. We need change. As long as Wenger is at the club, the way the team is managed will not change. Can you really see Wenger giving another manager the control they need to execute their plans and coaching?
In other news, very disturbing to hear we are the only Champions League team who do not educe the level of training when we have a busy fixture list. You do not need to be some high up physio to understand that if the team plays on a saturday, has a heavy training session on monday, then tuesday, then plays weds, then trains friday and sat then plays sunday, then repeat, they will be fatigue. I have read several times in the last few years that the training at Arsenal is over-the-top and outdated...any wonder our players look shattered after and we have so many stress injuries?
Last season please Wenger. Last season please back room staff.
Metal Gooner
Try going to a game of arsenals rather Han watching liverpool
It's called a recording facility on tv and streaming online. I run my business and so cannot take the time out i.e an entire day to travel across the country to go to matches in London.
So I watch online and then I watch other games.
Thanks though.
Metal Gooner
Take no notice of that " ****" metal.
i bet that sad individual has never even been to london.
you have more personality in your little finger than that person has sin his whole body.
champagne charlie
To rate Liverpool's boss is crazy, they're not looking long term they are broke and have no choice, he's taken over an ageing team and is mixing youth because he has to, I live in Liverpool and their own fans think they are terrible and but for Suarez would be looking at a bottom half battle.
It's like arsenal last year with RVP but without the promising youth.
Rodgers has tried to get them to play his way but up to 2 seasons ago Liverpool played good entertaining football.
Anybody would think he's took over a newly promoted club with a poor squad.... they won the champs league not too long ago, arguably they have been better than us over the last 5 years in terms of achievements and we've edged them in terms of quality and Premier League positions.
03 Dec 2012 12:52:13
its not wengers fault he is a genius and wants what is best for the team.. he bleeds arsenal but the board is not giving him the money required to buy the players we all crave and to ultimately HOLD ONTO the players we currently have.. wenger is not the problem here we are lucky to have him.
and fans have a right to boo their team if they feel like they did not get their moneys worth.. the players job is to do their BEST and put on a show for the fans and when arsenal fans feel like their team gave less than 100% they are entitled to let them know.
Trini-Gooner
03 Dec 2012 11:36:47
If I was Arsene Wenger I would move on.
He has done all he can for Arsenal.
And can not do much more.
A great manager.
Hubert, Arsenal/First Vienna fan
Aye,totally agree with you.
We all respect Wenger and what he has done but it seems he cannot do much more,as you said.
Problem is not in Arsenal team anymore.
We have very good team imo so the only problem is Wenger not being able to tune them up. His choice of players,his job to make them succeed.
No need to waste words on board policy,we all know how bad it is.
It seems like we need one awful season for things to change,although there is no guarantee that board and Wenger will go if that happens.
With couple of quality signings for DM,LB and ST position we would be amongst the best teams in premier league, players wise.
I vote for change. Like almost everything in life when things are stale for some time it is time to change.
There are plenty of great managers out there like Guardiola and Klopp. If this board stays i dont think managers with high reputation as them will even consider Arsenal.
Hoping for better times. For some time now.
Mastazajeb
But you are not, and he won't.
03 Dec 2012 11:13:07
what i would love to see if we buy a proper dm in january then i think we will have a great midfield i think we could set up
a 4-2-3-1 set up
similars to chelsea i know out attacking midfielders wont be free flowing as theres but we will be more direct and we will have got defensive cover i think arteta doing a ok job but would love to see a wanyama and maybe him alongside each other with either santi, jack in front of them
We already play this formation..but with Jack next to Arteta.
It doesnt work!
We only played this formation to get the best out of Cesc! Having him in the No.10 Role then we kept it when he left as RVP proved he can still be world class as a lone striker!
We dont have the players for this formation now!
We need to play 4-1-3-2 or 4-4-2
Wanyama would be perfect as the DM with Santi, Jack and Podolski as the 3 and Giroud and Theo up top or Giroud and Podolski up top with Zaha on the wing.
We need a proper winger and move Santi out wide as well to use him as a Nasri/Freddi L type winger. This has been his position for years anyway.
Boisey
4-4-1-1
Szczesny
Sagna Mertesacker Vermaelen Baines
Walcott Wilshere Abu Diaby Cazorla
Podolski
Giroud
&
Reina
Jenkinson New CB Koscileny Shaw
Oxlade C Arteta Fellaini Gibbs
Gervinho
Lewandowski
Sell/release: Mannone, Fanianski, Djourou, Squilacci, Santos, Denilson, Rosicky, Ramsey, Chamakh, Arshavin, Bendtner.
The team needs this type of surgery.
03 Dec 2012 10:07:23
Why does wenger want reina? If he wanted a keeper he could of got cesar! Rene Adler! Tim weise! All top quality keepers on a free! We also wanted to sign vertongen and sahin if we showed more passion I'm sure the players would joined us instead of spurs and pool. We should of signed berbatov in the rvp deal but wenger didn't know he was on the market.
I think we need at least 2 players in jan a holding midfielder and a proper striker as long with getting rid of the usual rubbish
03 Dec 2012 10:04:33
Above Wenger we used to have the superb Danny Fiszman & David Dein. Now Wenger rules the roost & has taken us down the wrong path. He deviated from a powerful team in a fluid 4-4-2 formation, into a smaller technical team playing in odd formations, that simply are not working. He complains the players are tired & that is for 3 reasons:
1) Condition & fitness work - hence injuries
2) The formation causes players to overwork - hence injuries
3) The lack of a strong enough squad - hence injuries
We need:
1) To revert to 4-4-2
2) To purchase at least one if not 2 quality left-backs, Gibbs should revert to midfield
3) We need a 4th tall commanding centre back
4) We need at least one tall commanding midfield player.
5) We need another forward
6) We need to sell/release: Mannone, Fabianski, Djourou, Squilacci, Santos, Denilson, Rosicky, Arshavin, Chamakh & Bentner.
7) Make every effort to purchase - Reina, Baines, Shaw (young Southampton LB) & Fellaini.
Alas, I think it is time for Wenger to go, but also to bring Dein & Usmanov on board. My fear is that Wenger will go & the board will make the wrong appointment. Hopefully, Dein & Usmanov will make their move.
Why would Fellaini and Baines come to you when they're gonna be playing Champions League football at Everton ? And I doubt you could afford £60m for the pair. Arsenal are a spent force, and will struggle to make top 6.
While i Would welcome David Dein back to the Club,Sorry I dont Want Usmanov,Dein Would be the kick up the arse Wenger needs,and he despartely needs a Kick,and Dein was that man when he was there,trouble is Dein Spent Arsenals money,so the board got rid of him,So What we need to do is get Kronke to Employ Dein As Wenger`s Right Hand Man,If Not Wenger needs to go at end of Season,sorry but top 4 is not enough,I want More than that,And Klopp or Moyes to take over,any Manager that wants higher than 4th,AndyS
03 Dec 2012 09:46:19
I just wondered who actually believes that Wenger should go? I think it is ridiculous to suggest it and I think Wenger will get us top four this year.
Do you really think anyone else would get us in a higher position with this team?
So, if you want Wenger out disagree, if you want Wenger to stay but a new board (like me - i want David Dien back!) agree.
Sally
You say with 'this team'. Well its Wenger's team! I think the club needs restructuring, else we are facing a continuation of the barren period we have seen.
We need Usmanov to buy out Kronke, Dein to come back & Mourinho installed as manager. Failing which I have a horrible feeling Wenger will be off & we are unlikely to replace him with the correct candidate.
We are not going to get a new board, Stan isn't going to say ok the fans aren't happy I am going to leave! He is happy milking the club and well chuffed he has a manager who accepts second best and no transfer fund whilst the club has millions in the bank!
Nothing going to change whilst we have a manager who accepts second best!
Manchester Gooner!
SALLY
you have to understand the board and WENGER are in agreement how the club is run.
WENGER IS NOT A SUPPORTER OF DEIN AND USMANOV.
champagne charlie
I think as Arsenal fans, we can sometimes be blinded by what Wenger did for us in the past, don't get me wrong, I love Wenger, I appreciate everything he did for us, and I'll always consider him to be a great part of Arsenal.
But we can't let the past influence the now.
We got lucky last year, we should of buried fourth place, with about 5 games to go, but we messed it up.
And only a Fulop shocker, got us into Europe.
Wenger isn't up to speed with the modern game, he's stuck in his ways, and won't admit just how wrong he is, and by doing so, the hole we're in, is getting deeper and deeper.
I look at our squad, and there are some VERY good players in there.
The obvious ones, like Santi, Wilshere, Vermalen, can all be world class on their day, and I don't use that term lightly.
But there are others, who when used right, have a great effect.
Mertesaker, who everyone slagged off last season, saying he's too clumsy, too slow, makes mistakes.
And now he's our best defender by far, he came last year, had a niggling injury, got thrown in to a completely new squad, and struggled to adapt, and I said, to give him a season, and I was right! (I also said give Gervinho some time, and was so, so wrong....)
Now he's playing how he likes, as a "sweeper" almost, being the last man back, intercepting passes, judging runs, we all know he's not mobile, but he's got one of the best tactical brains out there.
Walcott, he was so inconsistent last year, he was scoring well, making decent passes, but his crossing was terrible and he had a tendency to make bad choices.
The reason his crossing looked so bad, was because he had Van Persie to aim for, and he's not great in the air!
Giroud gives him a real target, someone to pick out in a crowd.
There are others too, Podolski, Gibbs, Arteta, Koscielny, all brilliant on their day, but look at Poldi, wants to play up top, Wenger puts him on the left.
Arteta is playing as our DM, and he's doing it, fairly well.
But he's not a DM!
We haven't had a real defensive mid since Flamini/Gilberto.
People say we need a striker, we need a LB, need a winger.
But a DM is most important.
I don't want some fancy one, who'll play nice passes, get forward all the time, try to take on defenders, like Song.
I want someone who's got a mean streak. Someone who'll commit a blatant foul, and plead innocence, someone who'll hassle and annoy opponents.
Get stuck in to a tackle.
WE NEED VIERA!
And seen as he's probably not that keen, id go for M'villa.
Yes, he has his issues, but that's exactly what arsenal need.
A real enigma in the camp.
We've got the highest paid manager in the league, and we've won nothing for eight years.
(The lads keep telling me the emirates cup doesn't count..)
Yet we can't afford to pay out better wages.
By all accounts, Poldi is our highest earner, and he can't even play where he's best!
The board and Wenger are screwing us over BIG-TIME
They won't sack Wenger, because he makes them money, Wenger won't quit, because he won't get a pay out for quitting.
That's the simplest point.
Klopp or Moyes
All could do well here.
Klopp can work on a budget, and promote youth, as we've seen.
Moyes, man-manages well, and can work on an even smaller budget!
Everton's transfer budget is around the £0 mark.
It's time for a change at Arsenal.
D
Sally unless we are facing relegation, the manager should stay til the end of the season. If we finish outside the top 4 then that will reflect the investment required in the team and it will reflect the need for a modern tactical manager who knows how to manage the team.
This should be Wenger's last season even if by some miracle he does land top 4.
Metal Gooner
03 Dec 2012 14:08:59
Taking this year in isolation, What has Wenger done to warrant his massive salary?
We are Arsenal losing and getting outplayed @ home to Swansea....
Come on