Arsenal Banter Archive July 03 2016

03 Jul 2016 21:20:44
I read somewhere that spurs have lodged a bid of 29mil for Icardi.
How bad could it get for us?
Waiting till we lose all our targets and then have the boss tell us that there are/ were no strikers.
Oh and to those who say it's early, if we spurn our chances now, we might not have any again. This has always been the way the club leaves us heartbroken during transfer windows. Somewhat a routine.

03 Jul 2016 21:31:39
If we don't sign them they aren't arsenal quality and are no better than what we have, don't worry we know what we are doing, we are in good hands. Yeah right.

04 Jul 2016 00:18:49
If the toot get icardi il be gobsmacked, he'd be ideal for us.

03 Jul 2016 20:47:09
France showing how crap we were against Iceland

4-0 at HT.

03 Jul 2016 21:07:37
France are quality mate.

03 Jul 2016 21:19:34
And Iceland are bloody rubbish.

03 Jul 2016 20:34:02
Don't shoot me guys but what about RVP on 1 or 2 year deal, heard that he is not happy in Turkey and wants to move to London . Will definitely score more goals that Giroud if he remains fit . If Manchester United can sign 34 years old Zlatan why not a 32 year old RVP.

03 Jul 2016 21:03:08
Has Hell ****ing frozen over?

03 Jul 2016 21:10:13
I think everybody on here will be putting a bullet into the chamber mate :-)

03 Jul 2016 21:24:41
Robin van persie is 32 going on 40 judging by the way he looked in his last year at utd, that ship has sailed and sunk.

03 Jul 2016 13:59:37
Ed, seriously Asano is the Answer for Striker position?

03 Jul 2016 15:32:00
Andy I know you're question was directed at the Eds but mate he's not supposed to be the answer to our immediate striking problem as was Bielik never going to walk straight into the team as our DM they are both for the but people get over excited about everyone we sign which I guess is down to lack things to get excited about.

03 Jul 2016 16:20:39
I can see why your fans go mad at the arsenal board, Utd Chelsea, city, Liverpool are buying top quality and your owners go for the cheap and make money deals, even spurs owners are in Italy right now talking to icardi for 38 million, you are one of the richest clubs in England but must also be one of tightest clubs also.

03 Jul 2016 17:48:45
Guys. It's early days yet and people are blowing their nut like the windows closed. If we don't buy serious players in this window than blow as much as you like! God knows what's happening but I have a list of players in my head that would satisfy me and I'm sure most people have players in mind. Part of a managers job in my opinion is to satisfy its fan base and although buying these players could prove costly and potentially a complete waste of money (Torres, veron) the fans would be happy and at worse curse bad luck instead of turning against the club and each other. Wenger needs to think long and hard and I'm sure he is. He also wants to think about having some success in his last year and not go out on a whimper. If he or anyone else in the club think that the squad as is can win the league let alone the CL then they are seriously deluded.

03 Jul 2016 18:18:33
21 goals in 56 games in the Japanese league for the 21 year old

Yep he sure will set the PL alight

Wenger any reason do you think why no one from Europe had signed him? Oh yes he is very average .

If he was any good he would already be playing in Europe .

03 Jul 2016 18:47:33
I bet everyone thought the same when we signed Kolo, Anelka etc for peanuts or when Leicester City signed Riyad Mahrez from French second-tier side Le Havre.

I am not saying the guys a star but Wenger has said he is one for the future - don't let Raver wind you up,

We complain that other teams find gems then we moan when we try.

Let's see how the window goes before we hang Wenger.

03 Jul 2016 19:19:18
Yeah the assano deal doesn't bother me! We can't just only buy for the now we must maintain bringing youth in. And I was replying to the Arsenal boys above. 99% of the time I ignore raver.

03 Jul 2016 19:21:13
The fact that the guy says he was massively surprised shows his expectations were quite low

I suspect very few top teams were interested in him.

03 Jul 2016 19:59:27
Sy I'm not winding up, who would you prefer assano or mane, ibrahimovic, batsayshi nolito, mikahtariyan that's what the other clubs are buying mate.

03 Jul 2016 20:31:16
Raver does make a fair point.

03 Jul 2016 20:31:53
Sorry,
Thst should have said pint :-)

03 Jul 2016 21:01:42
Sanogo surely bringing in youth is 17 - 20 this guy is 21 and I expect someone to be showing huge promise and turning heads .

And let's be fair 'if' Wenger leaves how do you know what the new manager will think of this 'boy' lol

Of course Wenger could well still be here in 3 years time so it won't be an issue.

03 Jul 2016 12:22:55
I totally understand people's mistrust of Arsene and the club and the serious doubts we will strengthen this summer enough to challenge yet again.
Personally I think the penny has dropped and both the club and Arsene know that another slow or pedestrian summer followed by another season of no title contention will be met with more and more and louder and louder discontent and demonstrations. All those empty seats against WBA visibly shocked Arsene and even the half hearted protests which were more of a whimper than an outcry on the day didn't go by without notice.
Let's wait until the season kicks off at least before we write this season off as yet another terrible under achievement by a club and manager who see £s as success and competitiveness as a bonus, I think this summer is and will be different why? The genuine attempt to sign Vardy appossed to last summer's embarrassment of an attempt to sign a player who had absolutely no interest in joining us, Vardy may not have come off but he was a realistic target we did all we could to get and for me that encouraging and a reason to wait and see what happens between now and kick off of the 2016/ 17 season before getting to upset about things.

03 Jul 2016 13:13:56
The Vardy thing just seemed as though Arsenal were dragged into his cynical and succesful attempt to get a better pay deal to see out his career with at Leiceser.
The Benzema saga was the same too I feel. Suarez? Perhaps he just wanted a guaranteed Barcelona move.

03 Jul 2016 14:02:37
I disagree mate for me
Arsenal and Benzema was a joke from start to finish we never expected him to come bit used the story to keep the fans quite
Suarez and £1 bid? As if that was going to activate a clause that wasn't worth the paper it was written on
But Vardy? We bid the asking price no messing about but he was torn and in the end stayed where he and his family were happy,
The Vardy bid was a genuine attempt imo.

03 Jul 2016 17:58:07
To put the bid in two days before he flew to the Euro's suggests it was half hearted . It was a ridiculous decision to leave it that late .

It smacks of kidology.

03 Jul 2016 18:29:15
Possibly Banbury but we had an actual bid accepted by Leicester and we actually sat down with Vardy and made him an actual offer that he went wawy to think about, compared to how close we ever came to Higuzemahimovic Vardy is an Arsenal leggend and must be in line for a statue at some point :-)

03 Jul 2016 11:12:38
While every other team is preparing towards kick off, arsenal being arsenal get linked with all sort of strikers in the world again and again without placing a serious bid.
Arsenal will drag their feet and wait till all the top strikers are mopped up by other teams and then say there are no top strikers available or they are too pricy.
Even that with the Asano guy hasn't been pulled off yet.
Well my mind tells me if arsenal need a particular player, they go all out for him, like Sanchez, Ozil, Xhaka just to mention a few. Maybe like every other window, this is the same old delay tactics being played here.
There are decent strikers out there who are within the club's bidding range so we could try at least by bidding for them. Bacca, Chicarito, Icardi, Reus, El Shaarawy, Remy, Deeney and others.

03 Jul 2016 12:08:42
Thing is mate, that's the exact problem.
I've mentioned it a few times in my replies too, EVERYONE, knows Arsenal want/ need a striker.

The fans know it.
The club know it.
The selling parties know it.
But worst of all, the media know it.

Arsenal have a massive online following, especially on the likes of Twitter.
We're something like the 2nd or 3rd most followed club in the world.
At one point, a couple of our players had more followers than the Spurs account.

So what's an easy way to get your paper/ website/ gossip rag/ attention hungry teenager/ attention hungry Colombian 'news' reporter, the views/ clicks they want?
Link Arsenal to a striker.
Right now, if you put 'Arsenal Rumours' into Google, apart from this glorious website, the first options you see are;

Arsenal to offer Wenger new deal
Lacazette rumour
Higauin rumour
Benzema finally joining rumour
Ramsey to United
Striker explains Arsenal snub
Journalist says Arsenal target Barbosa has joined top English team for £15m

You get my drift?
5 of the top 7 are about different strikers we want.
So people see this and desperately cling to the link in hope we're about to announce a triple swoop for Benzema/ Higauin/ Barbosa and play a 2-3-5 formation with those 3 up top, flanked by Alexis and Ozil.
I'm guilty of it too and I'm the guy arguing against it!

I think Sanchez and Özil were special cases too, both players clubs wanted to sell them.
Barca because they'd bought Suarez (don't forget, I believe we actually wanted Pedro, but settled for Alexis when Barcelona wouldn't sell! ) and Özil because Madrid had bought James for No10.
Whereas the strikers we want, people also want/ want to keep.

As for the strikers you've listed, I'd love Chicharito, I think he's perfect, great finisher, fast, makes good runs and would link with Özil superbly.

Icardi too, he's young, but he's a good finisher, he's already (or was) inter's captain, so he's a leader and he's got a bit of an attitude, which you need in a striker at times.

As for the rest, I'm not so sure,
Bacca's 30, had a good season at AC, but I'm not so sure he'd suit our style, plus would they want to sell?
Balotelli is back at Liverpool and Luiz Adriano didn't work out, so isn't he their only forward?

Reus I do like, but he's not a striker, plus seems to have injury niggles and Dortmund would want a bomb for him.

El sharawaay, i like too, but Milan wanted him gone, didn't cut the mustard at Monaco and he's doing ok at Roma now, I don't see it.

Deeney, is he really better than Giroud?

Remy, hello Dags of 2013/ 14


I'd like to throw Gaimero into that list though!
I think he's got all the right attributes to succeed here too.

Now, that list I've just gone through, it honestly isn't me trying to be all 'My opinion is better than yours' or trying to rain on your parade, if it comes across like that, i do apologise!

I was trying to make a point though, that we're so desperate as a fan base to sign a striker, we'd link a 36 year old Henry with the club rather than stick with Giroud and that's what the media capitalise on, thus the cycle continues.

Because tomorrow. Lacazette will personally announce he's staying for another year.
So the media will say 'Arsenal fail in French goal machine pursuit'
So we'll click the link.
And the day after, that same paper will of got 'insider info' that we're close to signing Eder from inter Milan.

And the cycle of despair continues.

{Ed001's Note - Ozil was sold to finance the Bale deal and Sanchez was very much Wenger's chosen player, not Pedro. He left because Messi did not like him, not because of Suarez or anyone else. Barca had wanted to move him on for a while but he was keen to try and make it there so stayed initially.}

03 Jul 2016 12:47:12
Exactly what I meant to say Ed!
Bloody autocorrect, changing whole paragraphs again.
In seriousness though, cheers for clearing that mistake up!

03 Jul 2016 04:45:10
Ok let's see how this sits with everyone.
Just been reading that Arsenal has around £51 million in cash to spend on players in 2016.
That is, if they tap into there £50 million overdraft. ( came from Arsenal financial reports which are public )
If that is true! After buying Xhaka for around £30 million Arsenal have probably only another £20 million to be able to spend comfortably. Now! I'm no financial expert I'm only relaying some figures from
CORRI SARRI STATHAM Investments which are available for anyone to read.
If this is correct? and I have no reason to believe otherwise, it certainly puts the lid on any massive signings happening for this season.

03 Jul 2016 06:46:26
Arsenal is different. very different
*Arsenal Holdings (ISDX:AFC) reported weak interim results, with net loss of £3.4m. Partly this was attributable to negligible profits from player sales £0.3m v £26.7m (H1 2015) . The board gave a cautious outlook mentioning the uplift in revenues from the Premier League broadcasting but higher costs in the form of inflationary wage pressures and transfer prices.
*Due to the structural issues identified below, our view is Arsenal is not investable for the general public, the fact its ISDX quotation has survived is anomalous.
*Revenue growth to end May 2016 is seen as muted given no change in gate/ match day income and the drop off in property development/ player trading. Our forecast is for revenue growth of 2% in FY2016 to £351.5m.
*The heavy investment in players has already hit cash levels quite hard. We expect a £44.4m spend on player registrations over FY16. In our forecast for FY16 we anticipate a net profit of £3m.
*Arsenal has significant levels of cash but net levels are far lower limiting the club’s spending – we estimate Arsenal has around £54m of cash that could be deployed on new players (assuming the board tap the £50m overdraft facility) .
Structural issues.
“Spend more money on players” is an often heard criticism of Arsène Wenger and of the
Research
Arsenal board of directors who include Sir Chips Keswick and majority shareholder Stan Kroenke. Fans tend to have a shortRterpmoforctu:s, understandably.
Since Mr Wenger was appointed in 1996, Arsenal has been transformed from reliance on gate receipts to diverse income streams. Arsenal has rapidly grown broadcasting, commercial and retail revenues. Widely credited for cultivating talent internally rather than throwing money at the transfer market, Wenger has demonstrated a financial acumen lacking in the premier league. Numerous club rescues has amply demonstrated the pitfalls of the sector’s profligacy. Since Mr Wenger’s appointment the Arsenal share price has jumped a staggering 40 fold from £400 to £16000 per share. This is a highly commendable achievement.
Fan criticism tends to ignore the significant “structural issues” at Arsenal notably that it is essentially a controlled subsidiary. Stan Kroenke’s KSE UK Limited holds 66.8% of Arsenals 62,217 shares whilst Alisher Usmanov holds 30.05% – the listed shares are a tiny minority interest. Relations between shareholders are reported to be limited. Mr Usmanov has left the board and KSE UK to their own devices. Shareholders are treated differently, KSE receives a £3m annual payment but shareholders receive zero dividend. Player spending decisions are in the hands of the board which include KSE representatives.
By remaining on the ISDX (ICAP Securities and Derivatives Exchange) Arsenal is subject to relaxed corporate governance standards. Kroenke is under no pressure to take full 100% control nor split Arsenal shares. He is required under takeover rules to buyout other holders if his stake hit 75%. This does not appear to be Kroenke’s short term plan however especially as Mr Usmanov appears happy with the status quo. The quote as such is extremely illiquid and given the current ownership structure unlikely to change.

03 Jul 2016 07:05:04
Lanesra

That doesn't include the 60 million a year we get from the Emirates and puma. It also doesn't include the new TV money.

We have loads of money to spend.

03 Jul 2016 07:41:18
51,000,0000

That must make us quite in comparison to most of the PL then.

Not sure that quite right mate.

03 Jul 2016 07:45:13
Quite poor it was meant to say ( bloody phone )

03 Jul 2016 08:12:12
Well don't shoot the messenger boys.
I'm only sharing what I have read.
As I said I'm not a financial expert. But I am confident that these people know a lot more than we do. Unless there is a financial expert on this site.
It is what it is I suppose.

03 Jul 2016 08:15:11
Malaga.
Have a look at the full report mate.
You may be able to understand it better than me.
I just posted the bit about transfers that caught my eye.
CSS investments Full Arsenal Report.

03 Jul 2016 08:16:08
When me and Mrs Dags go shopping, i tell her i have £150 to spend.

In reality, I have about £600 to spend, but I don't tell her that.

You feel me on this?

03 Jul 2016 09:38:39
Are you saying admitting you are a bit slippery mate? .
LOL.

03 Jul 2016 10:15:45
Just a bit mate lol.

03 Jul 2016 10:27:55
Is that why people always drop you dags 😆.

03 Jul 2016 16:05:27
Yep lol.

02 Jul 2016 22:51:35
I reckon my Nan can take better pen's than that lot.

Note to Wenger. Strike Ozil off pen duties.

03 Jul 2016 10:04:12
If nothing else you've got to give props to Mesut!
Missed 4 of his last 5 penno's for club and country and still steps up to take one. which he subsequently missed, but still.
He has great mental strength, to quote Arsene!