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04 Aug 2013 20:28:51
Disappointed with the crowd booing Higuain. It's not like he turned us down. We chose NOT to pursue the transfer.
I agree. There is a worrying element that seems to be growing at the Emirates - people far too quick to air their grievances. It showed a distinct lack of class.
The 'Boo Boys' need to give it a rest.
Jayjay
04 Aug 2013 20:06:23
After watching the game today I hope we sign a new goalkeeper before the end of the transfer window. Szczesny has great potential and ability but I again saw something today that I saw mentioned in the press as a possible reason for the club wanting a new goalkeeper, he is so over cocky and doesn't seem to have the respect of the back line, perhaps because of his age compared to Mertesacker for example and the way he seems to communicate with them. He was involved in a shouting match with Gibbs who, I thought played really well, and also ran out for a cross that Mertesacker cleared with ease almost taking his head off, and then shouting and screaming at him after which Mertesacker totally ignored walking away as he talked to him. He just doesn't fill me with confidence and I think we could benefit from another keeper who could provide him with real competition and help him develop. Then in a few season he will be back as our number one. Saw some talk that we could be speaking with St-Etienne over the availability of one their players hope it is Ruffier. There have been countless examples of Szczesny doing this in the last season, these were just two I saw today that highlighted his flaws again to me, and if I'm talking out my arse I'm sorry just my opinion.
04 Aug 2013 19:57:53
cant believe roma giving us 8 million euro 4 gervinho, i'm pretty sure wenger found him sweeping up out side d emirates. now if we can get bruno mean charmack out 2 d palace. it will only b d gr8est forward left of d dead wood. then d signings will come in. 15 deadwood players leave. have 2 b new signins??? what about ceaser, ginter. bernard. suaraz bring it on. come on u reds. we r red we r white were f##ckin dynimite arsenal. sligo gooner
I had such a hard time reading this post mate! I do agree signings have to follow!
Does it really take that much effort to spell words like; you, to, for, the, be etc.?
04 Aug 2013 19:53:11
So the big surprise was that we can't even win the Emirates stupid cup against sides who start their season after ours so not as fit? Did not realise that was to be the HUGE surprise, and I thought it was to be the unveiling of a huge new signing!
We need to take this on the chin like a spud takes balls on the chin
Come on AW - 30 days to go but really need them for the CL qualifier
SY4
04 Aug 2013 19:51:19
Ted, Themessenger and NI Gunner,
Nice posts guys and all picking up what we've known for god knows how long. Like your choices too Ted.
Just got to hope that Arsene can't seriously be that daft to think he doesn't have to fill those five spots for us to do some damage next season.
It will be criminal if he doesn't and the biggest slap in the face to a group of fans, EVER!
Algarve Gunner
P. s, waiting for Flybo's write up with the usual touch of classic humour.
Yep. Cheers.
Thing is, if we all can spot those weaknesses all in the same areas for the same reasons the surely Wenger HAS to.
The issue for me, is that he puts the players feelings before the fans and it only does the club harm.
He kept Almunia, Eboue, Cygan, Senderos 3/4 and countless others years more than he should have just because he probably didn't have the heart to tell them to piss off.
Being a 'father figure' clouds his judgement. EG. He'll stick with Fabianski instead of replacing him. That's what worries me. Tactically woeful too. A high line with Per in there. Come on! Where's the common sense!
04 Aug 2013 19:51:06
A lot of people might disagree with me here but I feel cazorla as good as he is, is not the right AM player for us, he just does not have that vision the great AM's have. Sometimes I think maybe what we really need is a purely talented AM and not a quality striker, then I think again having a quality striker would justify the need of having an Am that is just average (In my books one cancels out the other)
Zalalem looks a pure talent thou. That kid does not play like a 16year old, we have been privileged to have some of these kids play for our great club, when you look at the other clubs like the manchester clubs and chelsea, they hardly ever get kids of this age with such raw talent playing for their teams at such high levels. Thank you arsene wenger.
Cazorla does not have that vision?!
how did this post even get allowed through
hes one of the best AMs in the league
suits arsenal perfectly
All Cazorla has is quick passing ability sometimes that quick passing is effective most of the time not, and the majority of the time he is poorly positioned.
04 Aug 2013 19:37:41
I heard from a close pal today Arsenal will spend over 100m on 3 top class players (Striker, Holding midfielder and Central defender. ) in the next 3 weeks.
Well he's full of it i'm afraid!
04 Aug 2013 19:31:07
The fact that wenger thinks our current team can win the league is delusional. Firstly, we struggled last year to finish 4th. How can a team go from 4th one season to 1st the next?. Secondly, I think Giroud is a good 'second best' striker, so obviously a world class addition is needed (Suarez). Looking at the defence today we obviously forget that the boss was a sub on the bench, jenkinson may love arsenal, but we should get rid of him, he's below average. Sonogo did alright for his debut. I also think Arteta is the odd one out in midfield, his an awful defensive midfielder, and his foul count proves that the case. So really I think we need a DM and CB which would allow koscielney to fill RB should sagna become injured. It's going to have to be a busy summer otherwise wenger would see a similar finish to last year, no way would this team win the PL.
04 Aug 2013 19:29:23
Hey Eds, love the sitem Was at the Emirates Cup today, dissapointing result, Drogba managed to rip Mertesacker and Miquel apart. However Rambo, Sagna, Theo and Zelalem all looked good.
What I also noticed was the Porto keeper Hector looked good in the second half (didn't ssee the first). Is there any interest in him from Arsenal or anyone else? {Ed027's Note - not I Hector, Per the poor lad played two games in two days, whilst Miquel is poor, we need Ginter asap
What's new.
Drogba has been ripping us apart for years
04 Aug 2013 19:02:26
What we NEED to have any chance at a trophy next season:
GK - Fabianski is a liability and will definitely cost us points if we have to rely on him. Szczesny not ready mentally yet.
RB or CB - We need a right back to start if we put Sagna in CB, Jenkinson isn't ready. Or we sign a CB. Miquel nowhere close to being good enough. Wenger intent on playing a high line so we need someone agile enough to partner Koscielny.
CDM - We don't have one. We need someone that will sit in when we're on the attack. A true ball winner. Arteta and Ramsey can not play that role. We need to buy someone who can!
LW - Podolski isn't good enough on the wing. Hasn't got the pace to beat a man etc.
ST - Someone that can create chances for himself and others, and can score chances when created for him. 25+ goals a season.
5 players. Not too much to ask for!
Jenkinson was awful today, and tbh its par for the course for him. He marauds forwards and gives the impression of being a great player but in truth his final ball is terrible and is very naive in his overall play. He seems to forget his first priority is to defend, and at that he's pretty poor. Takes far too many chances on the ball and presents problems for his team mates.
Every great team has a great goalkeeper, we don't have one and will never be a great team until we replace the cretins we have atm.
I actually think Kos/Mert/TV5/Miquel is sufficient to go forward with, the fall backs with Sagna & Gibbs or Monreal are fine too.
I saw a few times our CM players getting muscled off the ball, I thnk only Wilshire and Ox have the genuine strength to play there whereas Arteta and Ramsay are being played out of position if being asked to protect a la Essien, Vieira, Ince etc. We still DEFINITELY need a spoiler in there.
With Gervinho going we (yet again) have weakened out squad and options, however bad he was it was still an option from the bench if he turned it on. This also goes for Coquelin, another we`ve lost. Podolski doesn't have the speed nor flair to beat players and we definately need that in that position, especially if Ox is being played thru the middle this season as it seems.
Sanogo looked okay but isn't the player we need to improve the first team. Giroud looked good but paled in comparison to Drogba, even if we continue to play 4-2-3-1 we still need at least one credible option to Giroud.
Zalalem looked brilliant but (physically) is still at least a season away from the first team. Akpom looked like a school kid against men.
Title contenders?
Yes pretty much spot on. I would say before a striker our first priorities are a disiplined more defensivly minded DM (we still have too many small attack minded central midfielders) and fast strong CB alongside Kos before a striker.
Mertasakser is still getting exposed in our high line system due to his lack of pace and acceleration and for his size has a weak strength core when up against someone's of Drogba's power. And although not all forwards are of Drogba's class there are lots of big strong powerful types in the EPL, that will give Mert a hard time. We can't always rely on Kos. to use his recovery speed to get us out of trouble which he often has to do.
Also Carzola out wide left does not work as he comes in too much leaving Gibbs down that left hand side too exposed, he is better in middle without doubt. Walcott does well enough out wide right but Podolski does not really convince either out wide left, he has not got the pace or trickery to get in behind the defence. Again meaning Gibbs has to provide the crosses also meaning we get can exposed on the counter down our left hand side more.
A striker would be a welcome bonus but I do think the forwards between Giroud, Walcott and Podolski would get a fair balance of goals between then all. To be honest if we did get Suarez for say 45-50Mill although a good striker that would just about blow most our budget for a class DM and CB. Wenger should be putting all his eggs in one basket as Liverpool look top play hard ball on this one. Maybe is went out for another Striker Liverpool might ease there stance knowing we are the only ones that have made a solid bid.
Shot me down if you like but it may be worth making a cheeky lesser bid of around 25Mill for Torres. I still think he can be class under Wenger that would show him the love and and up his confidence. Regardless we need to look at other possibilities.
04 Aug 2013 18:53:00
i read some speculation we could sign benzema if real sign both suarez and bale. personally I doubt he'd be available but ed what do you think? {Ed027's Note - he wont be
After selling Higauin, Real will need him still so I doubt it. I personally don't See Real making a 50Mill bid for Saurez aswell as Bale he will take all their funds and he is there to replace Ronaldo eventually. Even Real can't be that rash with funds.
04 Aug 2013 18:51:24
Drogba. What a player. So should've it him when h left Chelsea.
AG
He still has when he is up for it, But I guess that is the issues know will be up for it over a EPL season. At 35 does we really want the hassle and pressure of having to perform week in week out to the higher standard of the EPL. He was defo up for it today though, he loves playing us.
04 Aug 2013 18:37:32
Somethings will never change. Asernal ain't going to win a thing again, not even the so-called Emirates Cup. Sorry, but just how old is Didier Drogba; when will he quit the game; can we sign him up?
BB.
04 Aug 2013 20:06:54
He knows how to win. He'd score when it matters most; he just hates us. He is Drogba!
He will return to Chelsea as a coach
04 Aug 2013 18:36:17
Okay so that was poor, but here are a couple of things I have learned from pre-season.
1. Miquel is poor at CB and at LB and will most likely never make it in the Arsenal team.
2. Ramsey is finally getting back to his pre-injury best.
3. Giroud looks a lot fitter and overall better than last season.
4. Cazorla is severely lacking fitness.
5 Walcott, Chambo, Ramsey and Jenko need to realise when they have to pass.
6. Zelalem looks awesome.
7. Gnabry, Olsson, Eisfeld and Akpom look pretty good as well.
8. Arteta gives away far too many fouls.
9. Fabianski is dreadful.
10. Martinez is not good enough to be backup to Szczesny just yet.
I think the problems we have can be sorted with the right signings. I believe these are:
A goalkeeper
4th choice CB
A holding mid
A left winger
A striker
So the signings could look like this:
Cesar-£2m or Ruffier-£8m
Ginter-£6m or Williams-£10m
Lars Bender-£25m or Kondogbia-£14m
Lamela-£26m or Griezmann-£13m
Suarez-£50m or Benzema-£40m
(The reason I chose Benzema was because if Suarez doesn't come to us, he will most likely move to Madrid, who have Morata and Rodriguez. Benzema however remains very unlikely. )
I think any of those signings in those positions would improve the team greatly and would perhaps see us mount a title challenge, as unlikely as that sounds.
All the positions you've listed have needed strengthening since the start of the window and its been plain to see for a long time
Top post. agree with everything you said.
Totally agree with what you're saying.
btw it doesn't sound unlikely, that's the very frustrating point.
Lets see what the next few weeks brings, could be either interesting/exciting or I'm afraid more frustration ( a few weeks after that - despair).
LG
Well said Ted! I also agree with your points and admire all players you listed, especially Lamela or Griezmann, but I personally can't see us getting Benzema. I would love to have him because he's one of my favorite players but I think he would end up at PSG or Man City before us. allez les bleus though:)
04 Aug 2013 18:35:15
From watching the game today, I conclude.
- We need players (a ST, CDM, LW, CB, RB, and GK), but for the moment, let's focus on ST and CDM
- Walcott shouldn't take corners or freekicks. Love the ambition but he thinks he's better than who he is. He's obviously most effective when he has space but when he doesn't have space, he still insists on beating the man. I would like to see him do a one-two with a midfielder or striker rather than try dribbling the player.
Santi should take all the set pieces. Ignasi is too slow to play right back.
Zelalem looks like the real deal. The only mistake I saw from him was his cross. BTW I played against him a year ago :)
04 Aug 2013 18:23:39
Our "top class" striker sanogo didn't exactly pull up trees today.
89'gooner
Agree. From what I saw he is a long way off being effective in the PL. but he's young so there is time.
But he nearly uprooted the pitch when he fell over.
Mate, he had been training with the full squad for 4 days. you can't expect him to be amazing, give the lad a chance, jeez arsenal fans are so judgmental.
WG
One game, give him a break. Fans like you bankrupt clubs
Cant expect too much, he did not look out of his depth today some nice touches for such a big lad. I think he has something about him time will tell.
04 Aug 2013 18:22:46
And the Drog strikes again. twice ;)
Cannot beat a bit of Drogba antics in the penalty box!
On a more serious note. he made Mertesacker look absolutely useless.
Toot toot :) {Ed027's Note - Galatasary are a CL side whereas Monaco
Well said Ed, seems like 5-2 is becoming a regular result for you guys Dave ;) DIgunner
04 Aug 2013 18:13:53
Drogba does us again.
Glad we lost to be fair, imagine Wengers thoughts if we had won 2 or 3 nil
04 Aug 2013 18:11:58
Well Arsenal 1 Drogba 2, our old Nemisis strikes again our back 4 just could not handle him. even at 35. Never a pen mind he just conned the ref with that one just fell over to make it look like he was pushed.
Metasaker worries me with his his lack of pace and power still.
Bright start in first half but faded the more the game went on and Galatasary dominated 2nd half really.
Orthodox box striker and Dm still needed plus a faster stronger Cb alongside Kos.
04 Aug 2013 18:10:24
Drogba has to be our biggest bogey player ever.
Long week for Mr Wenger
04 Aug 2013 18:09:06
In all the years, again droga comes and destroys us, although this time may have given wenger the kick up his arse needed to go buy quality, seriously lacking depth, Miguel is just not good enough.
Shaneyd
04 Aug 2013 18:06:10
We can all complain about the first goal, but that second goal by Drogba was pure class, and what I wonder is do we have a forward who can do that?
No we do not. Giroud isn't in same class as Drogba, Wish he was. Drogba is an absolute machine.
Few players in the world are tbh. That first touch left me speechless. DIgunner
04 Aug 2013 17:47:47
hey gooners
who will win the EPL?
Man City for me. Followd by Chelski and then united.
Safest bet is chelsea. Look at Mourinho's record the past 10 or so years. he always finishes either 1st or 2nd. However our league is more competative but still. like I said. that's the safest bet.
Remember guys. its a lot easier to win the prem when its the true goal of your owners.
Scooby Dooby K
Not you.
04 Aug 2013 17:43:35
Well as a granddad I ain't done bad my grandson Sam is meeting his mate & off to The Grove for the games today one of those days when I wish I was back in the UK & I could be with him to see the greatest team in the world play. Still there is always next year. ain't it great to be a gooner with a grandson whose a gooner as well
04 Aug 2013 17:05:01
What a fantastic fluke goal from Walcott! The main criticism I have of the team at the moment is that they seem to want to walk the ball in to the net, we have no-one that is willing to shoot from outside the box. Fingers crossed Sanogo will get a goal this game, really make an impression! COYG!
04 Aug 2013 16:15:51
Hi Ed
just wanted to know about Thomas Eisfield. He I think went on the pre-season Asia tour. Scored as well. Why wenger not considering him for Emraites Cup? I hope he is not injured. I think he is some talent and can score goals. Reminds of Fabregas attacking midfielder with a ability to score goals. He has a good record of scoring goals. Is AW considering him in this year squad or loan him to get some good experience, a good championship team will be great for him. Scored a grt goal in next gen as well.
loaded gunners. {Ed027's Note - don't know mate, maybe a loan?
04 Aug 2013 16:14:59
Have just watched yesterday's game and I think the boos were for rainas time wasting
Every time Reina touched the ball he was booed by nearly everyone, no real reason for it. Higuain was also booed when his name was announced and the boos at half time was clearly for the shocking first half display.
04 Aug 2013 15:39:51
I would just love Sanogo to run the show today.
Yeah well let me tell you this. whether he has just signed for us or not I'm glad we didn't pay for him. ! I was there today so don't tell me any different.
04 Aug 2013 15:26:44
Eds,
Having watched the Emirates Cup, and admittedly YouTube highlights, any chance of us getting our hands on Quintero? Looks like a massive talent!
Copthorne Gooner {Ed027's Note - i think Porto juts signed him
04 Aug 2013 13:57:05
What do you think eboue's reception will be at the Emirates personally I thinks he's a great guy and he admitted he's still in love with the club.
What would you guys do?
04 Aug 2013 13:53:44
Is anyone else starting to get seriously worried about Spurs? I mean, if they manage to keep Bale now, their team is so much better than ours it's almost a joke. I don't mean to be depressing but if we don't make any serious signings, there's no way we're getting top 4. Surely Wenger must see this?
Macc Gooner
No worried at all about them they have bought soldado who can't get a game for spain because torres gets plays which says it all and they have some winger who is ok and paulinho who ain't anything special they also don't have a great team they will lose ade this summer and will be light on strikers again
Why would we be? their team is bale, they finished below us with him.
Soldado?kept out of spains squad by torres, torres. or they rather play without a striker
Paulinho?we'll see
their defence is s***, their midfield is overrated, their strikers are s***, bale is their whole attack, lloris is good, but not that good like most think, see the goals vs monaco
if they sell bale there are no players they can get that would replace him
we're far better, stop worrying
They've signed just better than average players who Arsene also looked at.
They'll get 5th at best, if Bale goes then God only knows.
Paul
Don't know why people are pinning or chances on how well spurs do I think utd will struggle this year no disrespect to moyes but I think he will need a bit time to get used to the pressure of that job. I think bale will go tough and we will do well in this window eventually
I completely agree with you!
The thing I, I don't think Wenger does see this. He's so blinded by philosophy of nurturing young players, he whole heartedly believes we can win the title, or at least "compete", with the current squad we have, which we all know we can't.
Copthorne Gooner
04 Aug 2013 12:27:25
Thank you mark for not criticizing me on my spelling,
Ian semi liturete but try my best to get by.
I had private problems I mist a lot of school.
I work a job like everyone tho.
Arsenal is been the only concrete thing in my life and no matter what always will be.
Rewind to when we were best team on planet. some of the plastic fans would still moan.
Like I said don't expect to win titles as not even life should be taken for granted thet alone a football team.
As in everything in life u get what u put in.
A real fan would be loyal whatever and somepoeople on here. Need a look in mirror.
Word, mate! (and by the way, we are still the best team on the planet, at least from my not biased at all point of view;-) )
/Aros
Respect to you, and we are by far the best team in the world. that goes without saying :). respect wenger and the choices he makes, get behind the team and make all the players feel loved, especially the young ones. a bit of confidence could be the difference between someone like sanogo being world class or average
04 Aug 2013 09:50:59
Eds morning, quick (probably long) question.
After what Barcelona said bout Fabregas deciding his future himself (sounds like thy really don't need him).
1. Do u think he'll probably move this year?
2. And like u said is Wenger stil considering whether to get him before th transfere season closes? Thanxxx {Ed027's Note - i still think he'll stay but there's a chance after Barca's comments 2. if he is available expect Wenger to pounce
04 Aug 2013 13:10:09
Dont want to sound horrible but I hope giroud podolski and sonogo have an off day so wenger can see we need a striker and more players
04 Aug 2013 13:00:08
Fans who boo their own team, at their own stadium are not FANS. It's as simple as that. They really give this great club a bad name. Probably the same fans who gave Eboue stick. I wonder if they'll still be booing after we make the big signings. It's quite unbelievable, their behaviour! If Wengers reading this, 'Stick in there buddy'
No one was giving Eboue stick?
04 Aug 2013 20:32:59
Sorry mate you're deluded if you think wenger is still the man to take us forward. He is tactically inept, don't seen to be able to change a game or motivate players. Also the buying players or lack of is laughable, money is available but he will not spend on positions we so obviously need. As fans who pay top money for tickets, not been good enough to win anything, and had unfulfilled promises from the board, btw we have a billionaire on board who wants to put money in. So fans have more than a right to book and voice their anger! It doesn't mean we don't love the club any less.
04 Aug 2013 12:56:26
Does anyone know of any streaming links for the emirates cup?
04 Aug 2013 12:46:46
Sun reporting we have had a £6.1m offer for Matthias Ginter from Sc Freiburg accepted! you know if this is got any truth to it Ed
sly101 {Ed027's Note - we're interested in buying the kid
04 Aug 2013 12:32:00
It may be hard to take, but we need to get rid of Wilshere and bring back Fabregas. The guys a decent player but no where near Fabregas, to be honest he's a little overrated. People are only obsessed with him because he's young English and an Arsenal fan. Swap him with Suarez or Rooney.
B*******
The kid is 21 and Fabregas is 26. Wilshere also had a horrific injury which stalled his progress.
Also, who do you want to swap him with? Fabregas or Rooney or Suarez? Make up your mind.
Wilshere is one of the best young players in the world, and to get rid of him would be stupid.
Yikes!
You are going to get slagged off for that opinion. Thankfully you did not leave a sign off name.
I think Wilshere, if he stays injury free can be a great player, and there is no reason we cannot have both Wilshere, Fab, and Cazorla.
Plus as a "big team" we should want players of that calibre, no?
Not that it will happen as I think Cesc is staying at Barca, but if he became available ARSENAL would be stupid not to attempt to use the buyback clause in his contract.
It may cause a selection headache, but that is not a bad thing. Especially when arsenal play 60 games a season in a very physically demanding league.
- James R.
It's not April 1st. Back to white hart lane you go moron
Paul
Have ever seen him play live. when he plays he's the best player on the pitch he ripped Brazil apart at Wembley and he carried us for some parts of last season when he was fit. I don't even know why I am replying you are obviously MAD
What drugs are you on I suppose you say the same about gerrard for liverpool aswell
Ali
Start watching him he will be world class soon, think of the fess they make over bale and double it. He's that good
04 Aug 2013 16:14:00
There would more than likely be a bigger queue to buy Jack than there is to buy Cesc.
I would be amazed if behind your anonymity that you really are a gunner.
Algarve Gunner
Is that you Brandon.
04 Aug 2013 12:12:10
Interesting to see chambo getting more chances in the middle. And Rambo putting in solid performances.
Guilavogui as CDM will be perfect as he stands a tall 6"1
Whatever striker we do end up signing will need to be able to play LW/ST/RW/CF
Suarez fits the bill perfectly.
04 Aug 2013 11:00:06
The Suarez deal is unlikely to go anywhere, anytime soon. Wenger will not budge beyond £40 million. Not only is he naturally cautious about spending money but I understand that some elements at Arsenal are convinced that Suarez will agitate enough and force a move through eventually. Therefore, Arsenal are prepared to sit back and wait, rather than pay more. It's already been mentioned on this page and Arsene has hinted at it more than once recently but Arsene is happy to go into the season without spending money.
I suggest that it is more than likely that nothing more will happen before 31st August.
Forget about Cesc. This first refusal clause is a red herring. Because it doesn't guarantee that the player will want to move back to Arsenal. Utd will bid again so 50/50 on whether he will stay in Spain or move to Manchester
He has never once mentioned he would play for Utd. Last he actually said was he would only leave Barca to come back to arsenal. 50/50 my hole.
Paul
Mate if it goes to 31st of August then Arsenal will NOT sign him, Liverpool have been burnt in the past as you very well know so be realistic eh? If the Suarez deal is going to happen it will happen well before that date. Still don't think Arsenal will sign him though, not with Rodgers upping the price all of the time; it's a clear indication that Liverpool won't sell to Arsenal but if by some miracle you do sign him then you will have been ripped off big time, Liverpool will make you blow all of your budget on one player. Don't think Arsenal are that stupid.
04 Aug 2013 10:43:06
Can BR please make up his mind on how much is Suarez actually worth. 40 million. No Cavani went for 55, so 55. Oh wait! RM are actually crazy enough to pay a 100 million for Bale, so now it's a 100 million.
Hold on Liverpool is worth 400 million, so Suarez is worth that much now.
He sounds like a bloody clown!
He is a clown. He'll be found out again this season, can't see LFC getting higher than 6th, Everton & Swansea could finish above them plus the usual 5.
Paul
The only clowns are you arsenal fans that believe Wenger will ever change his stingy ways
04 Aug 2013 14:39:00
Whats happened to are fans?All seem to be obsessed with trophy this trophy that. You can buy as many players as you want but as Wenger says only one team can win a trophy. What happened to its the taking part that counts?Granted our players are payed astronomical wages but so are the players at say a club like Everton or say Newcastle, are they anymore likely to win a trophy than us?Do they expect to win everything every year?No, they aim to compete. Wenger has given us the ability to compete with the sugar daddy clubs through multiple changes in the boardroom, ownership and a global financial meltdown whilst still staying true to our clubs reputation and morals. For the first time we can compete with man u, city and chelsea for wages and fees without the fear of administration or the end of one of Englands greatest teams. we are now in a position to compete at the highest level. True fans understand this and support there team regardless of trophies. Granted we do pay the highest prices as fans of arsenal but if that's what it takes to be able to compete for trophies and still be here in 50 years then its a price well worth every pence. KEVP
BR can say whatever he wants, its his player/prerogative, he can say suarez is worth 1 billion if he wants.
Trouble is no one is going to pay it.
RM might be able to scrap 30mil or so together after buying bale, so he may decide to take that or keep an unhappy player for a season. As I said it's his choice.
But I think if wenger offered 50milish right now, he may get him.
We'll have to wait and see.
(I know wenger is looking at a talented 21 year old roma player, as plan B, or even both if poss).
04 Aug 2013 10:26:52
I hope this season will be the one where Koscielny finally gets the accolades he deserves. He is an absolute monster for us now and sweeps up nearly everything. His burst of pace rivals most strikers and wingers aswell.
04 Aug 2013 10:00:43
I'm going to the Emirates today, I'm looking forward to it.
There's more chance of me buying a pizza slice for 3. 50 then me booing the team today, but hey each to their own. Would be nice to see Zalelem up close if he plays today.
Flybo
04 Aug 2013 09:07:13
Although I can understand booing the team when they show they are not good enough is the only way the fans can vocalise their displeasure at the lack of movement in the transfer window I do not believe it can ever be right to let down the players by booing the performance.
Whilst it is true we do not have players who are good enough in all positions to mount a credible challenge for the silverware we all crave it is not the players fault. As long as the try to the best of their ability it is all we can ask of them, and if they are falling short cheer to encourage them, not vilify them as we did with Emmanuel.
If the fans want to show displeasure during a match choose a significant time in the match, say 8 minutes (1 for each of the trophyless years) and boo for 1 minute. Let the press know it is a sign of the fans feelings about the lack of ambition from the club and not disrespect for the players.
I know Wenger has a philosophy and to some extent I agree with him, transfer fees have gone mad but this belief that you can create a great team from within has been proved false during his experiment over the last 8 seasons. Whilst a few such as Wilshere make the grade the majority fall by the wayside. We are given names each season of the youth that will come good and a few years later they are sold or released this year it has been the turn of players such as Sanchez Watt and Craig Eastman to be discarded from the failed experiment. The number of players from within who make the grade in not sufficient to feed the first team with the quality and depth to compete at the highest level.
We need to buy in quality and experience to compete and if we want the best we need to pay the market rate or they will go to other clubs it is that simple. I know the mechanics of the deals are complex but the bottom line is you cannot buy a Ferrari if your are only prepared to pay Mini money.
04 Aug 2013 08:59:30
I've said it a million times. The criticism of Wenger is not wholly unjustified. I realize there are two camps set in their ways, but you have to look at hard facts. Really guys, how many years running do you need to see the same thing happen before you realize that things aren't as rosy as you like to pretend? Albert Einstein said “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ” The people who booed don't love their club any less than you. They love their club, want to see it succeed, and feel they are being cheated out of that chance by a very Einsteinien definition of insanity. We love Arsenal. We love the players we have. However, we know that we are not in a statistically strong position. Going in this year with the same squad we had last year expecting something better is insane. Failing to invest in world class players when our rivals will undoubtedly continue to do so is insane. Telling everyone you intend to spend, and then showing no signs that you are even trying isn't just insane, it's insulting, and sociopathic. Arsenal is one of the best run businesses in football. Guess what? Football isn't good business. Do you realize that an average club that manages to be financially stable is no better an investment than a single Tesco shop? People invest in clubs for name recognition. I'm sorry if this is news to you, but christ. read a book. Statistics show that you can either be a successful club on the pitch, or at the bank; not both. We love you Arsenal, we do. And it's because of that love, that we want you to succeed.
04 Aug 2013 06:53:45
Brendan Rodgers said one thing that made me think and to be honest if I was standing in his shoes I would have said the same. Does anyone honestly believe that Suarez is worth less than half the money of Gareth Bale? He has got a point. If Bail is being sold for over £85 million you can't honestly say Suarez is worth just over £40 million it's ridiculous. If Suarez had not been involved in these recent set backs I believe his price would have been up there with Bales. If we get Suarez for £40 odd million it will be the coup of the season.
Bales price is hugely inflated because they may need to replace ronaldo if he goes, even with the ridiculous money in football that sort of money is not sustainable for a player, Bale is in the top 10 players in the world, maybe top 5 and Suarez is probably in the top 20 just.
A player is only worth what the buyer will pay.
337
I think he is worth less yes and here is why! he is older! he comes with a lot of baggage! he is banned for the first 6 games of the prem leuage! he will not be match fit untill after christmas due to lack of playing time! he is no were near as marketable as bale is!
bales is worth 85 million to real madrid but no one else as they have the means to recoup it through image rights shirt sales ect! were no other club ( maybe manu) could recoup this! this is why to real he is worth that obsence amount of money, but don't be fooled that any other club would pay it ( except maybe the persons at psg and maybe anzi)
RD
The only, tiny, miniature, little flaw with what he said is.
BALE ISN'T WORTH THAT MUCH MONEY.
Cavani is a closer example to Suarez, £55mill, no baggage. Suarez is worth about £45mill by that comparison. Bale is probably worth about £60mill.
I mean we could say, well if Carroll is £35mill then £40mill for Suarez will be the coup of the century. But then Carroll was only ever worth about £12mill.
Or you could say that Bales transfer fee is obscenely over priced.
The flaw in this argument is, as good as Bale is, he ain't worth 80mill+. That is a grossly inflated figure. & Neither is Suarez.
What you're forgetting is the fact that Bale 'aint worth 80 odd million. More fools RM for thinking he is. But that's the stupidity of everything now it's getting out of hand. Almost like playing poker against people who will just up the bid for the sake of it because they have endless pockets
Estepona gooner
Ur clearly a Liverpool fan
You can't look at it like that! Real are paying way over the odds for bale! brendon Rogers' estimations don't make sense because you could say well look at Andy Carroll. He's worth 35mil so Suarez must be worth 300. Or we could say Michu is worth 3/4 because that's what they paid for him so Suarez is worth 15 or 20. It doesn't work like that. Realistically, Suarez is a bit better than aguero who was 35 so 40-45 should be about right
04 Aug 2013 06:45:50
Here's a FACT. I saw the Monaco v Spurs game today. I know it was only a friendly BUT if anyone can convince me WE, ARSENAL, don't need to buy players before we go into the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE you know nothing about football. Monaco made Spurs look like a pub team and that was putting it mildly and Monaco are nowhere near favourites to win the CL. I'm not sure but I heard we could be playing them soon. God help us.
Neither team are in champ league
Lol monnaco aren't in the cl and I don't think they are evan in europe
monnaco are a pub team just with extreamly wealthy owners
there players aren't there for anything but ge money I mean come off it tere stadium has a max capasity of 20,000 and sometimes is only half full!
in my opinion clubs like monnaco, psg etc have no place in europes elite simply because they havnt earnt it they have just bought the title of a big club
tobias
You do realise they where playing S***s and not us right!
We will make them look like a pub team too as per.
5-2
To be fair to Spurs it was weakened team especially at the back with no first choice back line player due to injuries.
I would never read too much into friendly results as players never really fully go at its all about getting that match sharpness back.
Monaco look decent with Falcao up front, but to me did not look as good a Napoli overall, but it's difficult to judge in pre-season.
Monoco aren't in the champions league as they only just got promoted
They aren't even in the champions league. And Spurs weren't exactly playing a strong side. They have also lost to a 2nd tier german team in pre-season. It's just pre-season it's about fitness not results.
Here is a fact for you
the reason manoco aren't favourites for the cl is the same reason liverpool aren't favourites to win it. they aren't in it
Monaco aren't in the champions league. They only won league 2 last year in France.
Surely Monaco aren't in the CL mate. They only got promoted last season.
Macc Gooner
Well that's a relief I was under the illusion they were in the CL. That makes it worse then! Ha ha
03 Aug 2013 20:46:27
Ed, who is interested in Yarmolenko? I think he's a great player but it doesn't seem that anyone is interested.
Any help would be great. Cheers! {Ed027's Note - Ed002 on LFC page, Yarmolenko has been linked in the recent past with Real Madrid, Galatasaray, Napoli, Palermo and PSG whilst the sustained interest of AC Milan and Fiorentina remains.}
04 Aug 2013 00:46:55
do you think we'll sign a cb or will wenger place his faith in miquel as back up whilst vermaelen recovers from his injury?
He will sign a right back Sussex Gooner
No he won't, why would he with Sagna and Jenkinson?
That wouldn't make any sense whatsoever
And Bellerin.
Still AW may sign a RB if:
1. Sagna is not going to sign a new contract and AW does not believe Bellerin or Jenko are ready to be a starting rb next year, 2014-15, (probably would want an experienced RB as a stop gap); or
2. Sagna is going to shifted to CB to cover for injuries and a new RB is needed as either a starter or cover for Jenko.
I agree with the 3 poster though a RB is not the squad's most pressing concern, but it still deserves some thought.
I would like a cdm who can be a deep lying play maker, an intelligent reader of the game, and a beast of a tackler, a world class striker and a decent cb as cover for PM and Kos before a right back.
- James R.
04 Aug 2013 00:42:41
I Thot it a disgrace own team being booed.
It's a freindly no reflection on players or anything as it a differant mentality to a competitive match.
Even if lost every game next season if we list 50 thousand season book sales fine, atleast we would have real fans.
Football is about a loyality to your club regardless and silverware a added bonus.
Anybody that can't support team whatever misses the rule of football win lose or draw take it on chin and pray for better next week.
It shouldn't matter what players what result or what u think best its not your money,
It's your colours your badge. not who wearing it.
Look at other big clubs who find themselves in lower divisions still supported wholeheardly be greatfull of having a club that genarates its own income instead of having trophies at a overdraft if it was called would cripple your club.
Be a little bit more thankfull for having a stable club a great club and show some more respect for club I hold dear booing on o freindly persons.
You even spelt your name wrong.
Seriously, put a little effort in.
Thot?
Ok his spelling was a bit dodgy (who really cares) but the sentiment was spot on.
At least he signed off with a name and didn't just take an anonymous swipe at someone.
I love this site a check it out 4-5 time a day but am getting sick and f++++++ tired of all the boo boys slagging off our proud and illustrious football club.
The transfer window is open for another month ffs
If it closes and we haven't signed anyone I too will be p+++ed off.
So can we please wait till then.
The truth is none of you know what is going on behind the scenes. So give it a rest.
Against Napoli yesterday (a good team btw) we started without Sir Chez, Sanga, Carzorla, Walcott, Arteta. All starters mate. Pre season friendly sunshine. Minutes on the pitch more important tha any thing.
It's about time all you so called supporters started getting behind the team. Whoever crosses the line with the red and white shirt on.
And to the person who signs off with say no to Suarez, you might as well write say no to success.
We ain't going to resign rvp but we are in for the next best striker in the country, what more do you people want.
Whether or not we actually get him or not, let's wait and see eh.
But anyone who thinks we bid 40 mil as some sort of ploy or to trick the fans is quite frankly simple.
I think the club has done brilliantly in the last 8 years to build the best stadium in the country, keep us in CL and debt free.
Now it's starting to turn around and most of you just whinge and moan.
Unbelieveable
COYG and up the arse.
Mark.
Now i'm not against people protesting, after all most of us live in a democracy, but this constant booing has to stop because we are in danger of it becoming a culture at the emirates, if you feel so strongly about it i'm sure you could think of ways to express your self, like not going to matches or protesting outside the ground, why, because you are effecting the team and whatever your concerns are, it has nothing to do with the players and is totally detrimental, unless of course this is what you desire, then you are not a true supporter of AFC but just an a$$hole, I suggest we start a protest to eradicate the a$$holes from the emirates.
I think if the players don't realise it not them the boos are aimed at then they might be a bit stupid
AP
People have a right to be angry when we pay so much money the least you would expect is that money to be used to sign players. Also the club is constantly lying to us. Yes you shouldn't boo and you should support the team whatever. Which is a major problem at the emirates I think its embarrassing at times the lack of support and atmosphere. But people are allowed to vent there anger. We have the means to compete and the funds to make us win trophies again without going into debt. We get charged enough to expect the club to match are input and spend. How can you not see that?
Bournemouth Gooner
04 Aug 2013 00:37:44
Hi ed, I don't think you can criticise any of the fans that were booing at today's match. A criticism levelled at arsenal fans is that they are too passive and describe the emirates as a soulless ground. Well the fans are showing there passion and bearing there soul. The booing is not aimed at the team or any individual player. In fact some of arsenal's worst players are afforded cult status and loved accordingly. The booing is directed at wenger and the board. Simply fans are sick of being forced to listen to wenger's repeated assertion's about how great we are and how great we can be. After years of under achievement, the rhetoric has not changed. Sorry but some of our players are no where near good enough, are error strewn, and lack the character and personality that is required for a top level club. I don't want to hear him say (once again) we can win the league, or that the team is good enough. It offends the senses and dampens all our dreams that we go and buy some great players to improve our still fragile side. People are booing wenger for refusing to give them what he promised them, some top players. People are booing the lies they have been told and the false promises that have been broken. People are booing to be heard, the only way they can say "enough is enough". It offends our intellect to hear wenger spout on about our current state. If we sit silently then we agree with his sentiments and I for one find his speak bordering on the ridiculous and delusional. Thanks ed. Ray barboni.
Superbly put mate
Yep, pretty much hitting the nail on the head mate.
I totally, totally agree with your post
Ray.
Heybridge Gooner
Agree 100%. OK. the season hasn't started yet, but the errors were there as always. I had a sinking feeling in the first half, here we go again!
Gnabry looked heavy-legged, Podolski? enough said. Merts. creaks around the pitch. Jenks was having an off day.
The second half brought back some hope and the effort was rewarded. However, a couple of new faces would lift the team and the fans.
If none arrive I predict more boos. As Ray says, the protests aren't there against the players, but against the Board and Wenger. They really need a shake up.
Giroud is a worker. Kolsc. is superb.
Cheers lads.
04 Aug 2013 00:02:26
My thoughts, we will sign no-one in CM as we have loads of options and wenger has a strategy where by the CDM and CAM interchange. Also, add Ox to our CM. We will sign one defender and one left sided winger. They will be top class. Now, on the striker front, If we don't sign Suarez, there is a possibility that we will sign Benzema as the only two teams in for Suarez are us and Real so given the fact that Suarez is leaving it is nailed on that we will get one or the other. I hope this makes sense! Sussex Gooner
03 Aug 2013 23:01:48
God there are some muggy people on this site. WE NEED SOME NEW PLAYERS! get it into your thick heads. WE HAVE WON EFF ALL IN 8 YEARS! Stop defending Wenger and Co. It is their decisions that run the club we have only achieved Champions League football qualification period! If there was no Champions League would we be celebrating finishing fourth? OF COURSE NOT. Please stop slagging people of that are demanding change. It is blatantly obvious.
I believe in wenger if you are going to post that, put your name at the bottom
Beegkamp5353
We are becoming another Liverpool, we win nothing.
Even worse, we have now learnt to accept it and criticise those who prefer change
To Bergcamp 5353. I agree with the original poster he/ she makes a lot of sense you on the other hand are on a different page you are obviously reading with rose coloured glasses.
JOHN
I think you are right in everything you say. He's list his way and not good for the club anymore
Chriscamo
03 Aug 2013 22:56:32
Goodbye Gervinho! In all seriousness good luck to the lad.
Wenger signed him, mmm there is a pattern developing here
Wenger also signed Henry, Viera, Fabregas and other legends. What is your point?
Sorry but for every great player arsene signs we get 4/5absolute crap players stop defending him, he deserves as much stick as he is getting because lots of us feel something is going on at our club which is holding our team back 4th place is not good enough any more. please open your eyes and see what is happening, then maybe you will protest not towards the team, it's not their fault but Wenger and the board who refuse to strengthen ourteam
Agree with ted, Even SAF made mistakes, he also signed some good player more recently like Cazorla, Koscienly, (Giroud who scored a cracking goal yesterday and will come good) as well as OX and Theo.
337
He signed those players a long time ago. The only really successful signings in the last eight years are Kosh, Arteta, Gibbs and Sagna. And Before you all jump on the Cazorla wagon, he has only been here for one season.
Apart from them you have the not so successful signings of: Eboue (who I like a lot), TGSTEL, Song, Adebayor, Gallas, Walcott (he might come good but if he do he will leave), Rosicky (my favourite player but injured all the time, Wenger loves too sign injuryprone players), Denilson, Ramsey, Nasri, Arshavin, Vermaelen (one good season and injured a lot), Santos, Park, Chamack, Benayoun, Gervinho, Squid, Silva, Mertesacker (he is ok but a success?), Campbell and Szczesny.
(A success for me is not too have one good season and then demand a move like Nasri and Ade. )
So wenger has made a couple of good signings but most of the above are average at best and has cost a lot of money and still do, Think of TGSTEL. Wenger gets lucky now and again but he is not a great "talent spotter" rather a bin bag merchant who gets lucky now and agian. But it is a long time since he signed true World class. A long time.
Jimmy
In Arsene We Rust