Arsenal Banter Archive December 04 2012

 

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04 Dec 2012 23:34:34
Fed up and frustrated. I dont think we are too far off but we do not have strength indepth and do not have enough steel.

Rosicky was top drawer tonight and was irreplaceable. Gervinho, lazy and has no idea. Chamakh, massive mistake in signing him. It would be good to get a buzz when we make a substitute like we used to. The opposition know that whoever we bring on these days is not going to be very good and holds no fear factor.

What I'm about to suggest wont happen but would help us be more competitive which is what we need.

If we had to I'd give frees to; (est weekly wage on the side)
Squillaci (£35k)
Djourou (£45k)
Coquelin (£20k)
Frimpong (£15k)
Chamakh (£50k)
Park (£30k)
Arshavin (£75k)
Bendtner (£52k)
Denilson (£35k)

They do not contribute to the first team and would free up £357k per week £18.5m p.a

Purchase top drawer players M'Vila, Isco, Huntelaar and, I know there will be some objections, Milner from Man City. Milner reminds me of Ray Parlour and would solidify our midfield and can play in a variety of positions.

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We're not paying most of these people as they are on loan at the moment.

MoeTheGoon

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The problem is we can't give those players awsy no other club will pay them those wages
Spanner

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04 Dec 2012 23:20:03
so by finishing 2nd we will face either one of these teams

psg
malaga
dourtmund
juve or schaktar
munich
barcelona

i reckon we will get barca or psg but i hope for malaga

watford gooner

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They'll all smash us!






Willesden Gooner

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You don't want malaga m8 - they would hammer the current arsenal side.

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I dont think there was much difference whether finished 1st or 2nd as both groups of teams have some good teams. The benefit of finishing 1st would have been playing the 2nd leg of the next tie at home. I believe Wenger selected the correct team in the circumstances, I only wish he would abandon zopnal marking & revert to a 4-4-1-1 formation, which particularly in matches such as last night would have given us a more solid look:
Szczesny
Jenkinson Squilacci Vermaelen Mead
Oxlade Rosicky Coquelin Gervinho
Arshavin
Chamakh

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04 Dec 2012 22:39:15
Last negative post from me - I can't believe it but I am a little nervous about this weekend and that is shocking as we should be looking to beat the likes by at least 2 goals home and away as we are the mighty Arsenal!
If the players are half as nervous as me - that's worrying
If they care a tenth of how I care - we will be okay!
Lets get a run of points under our belt and then add 4 players in January with 1 or may be 2 being world class and the other two being quality additions to the squad but not youngsters with potential
There are two cups up for grabs plus third spot. Then build on it
SY4

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04 Dec 2012 22:53:09
Everyone is having a go at wenger for no reason, he is the boards shield and is taking everything on the chin. As well as the board the players just dont seem interested anymore they do not have that spirit. In Arsene I Trust

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1- he should of given the board an ultimatum "give me the funds or i am walking"

2-he bought the players

3-he picks the team and the formations

no where to hide now arsene!

champagne charlie

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Was it the board who bought Gervinho, Squid, Chamack? All terrible players. Is it the board who start Ramsey again and again and again and again FFS! Is it the board who buys players and play them out of position?
Spirit comes from motivation from the Boss.
Check your head no name.

Ezdee
Ivan out! PHW get well soon, then out! Stan go F yourself, out! BoD out! Wenger..tic toc buddy.

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05 Dec 2012 07:55:30
So the board tell wenger to play a stupid non working formations make stupid substitutions and defend zonal at set pieces and play players out of position
wake up wenger is done
Why play a reseve team last night when you have a chance to win the group to avoid the big guns next round,why when somhow winning not change the formation and tatacis when the greeks where getting on top
Its the boards fault not to have a plan b????
We have better playes than swensea but got outplayed due to tactics and team selection

Wenger is a terrible manger nowdays fact. Stop blaming the board


I hate the way the club is being run but wenger has to shoulder a lot of the blame as well

Spanner

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No it's not just the board, their just interested in money and selling off the assets while telling the fans everything's Rosie! The board don't sit in the dug out waiting till the 80th minute to make a negative substitution or are responsible for a slack attitude and stale tactics! Wengers still living in 1998 we are so practicable, its boring unlike united teams do not fear us, due to the squads weak mentality!

OnlyOneGilbertO

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The reason wenger keeps his mouth shut reg the board is that he is on about £7m per yr.
dont feel sorry for him.
y did he take rosicky off ?
it is time for a massive refresh. change the board change the manager as he plays people out of position all the time and why does he play ramsey ? if he sees potential in ramsey send him on loan .. gerv why have we wasted £10m on him he is cr*p !! great signing there wenger..
Papey

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Pure drivel.Wenger dictates to the board, Keith Edelman was sacked shortly after he announced that Wenger had £100m at his disposal, if he wanted it. The problem is that since Fiszman & Dein departed we have no authoritative figure above Wenger, at the club. Hence, we plod along, with Wenger belief that the club must make at least £20m profit per annum. We currently have well in excess of £150m, some say it has risen over £200m in the bank & have just signed a lucrative new deal with Emirates & are close to agreeing other sponsorship deals. We desperately need to spend in the January window, but I have a feeling, we will sign Henry on loan, but fail to bring in the quality we need. I would spend £10m on Reina, £30m on Fellaini, £15m on M'Vila & £6-10m on Huntelaar, in an attempt to ensure a top 4 finish & a challenge in all cup competitions. Hopefully, we can sell the likes of Santos, Squillaci, Mannone, Fabianski, Djourou, Denilson, Arshavin, Chamakh, Bentner & Park, to help pay for the new players.

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Wont be long now ezdee

champagne charlie

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The reason we are having a go at Wenger is "the players just dont seem interested anymore they do not have that spirit" - its the managers job to motiva them. Hope that clears it for you.

Ash

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04 Dec 2012 22:09:22
Why did Arsene not use the third sub, surely it would be worth giving Akpom 10 mins who seems to be scoring for fun in the U21s and have a chance of him getting us back in it than have chamakh be useless for the last 10 minutes?

What was the point in taking off a left back and putting on a left back for the last 10ish minutes?

The positives i could see were that Vermaelen, Rosicky, Coquelin and Szcesny (I dont think he can be blamed too much for the second goal) looked solid.
Meade looked good and was confident.
Also surprisingly Squillaci didnt look to bad.

The Ox wasnt bad but wasnt particularly good either. Same with Arshavin

Chamakh worked hard but wasnt much good but i understand it must be hard playing so unregularly.
Gerv was good in patches but wastes so many chances by running into opposition players. I hate to say it but Ramsey also slows the game down too much.

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04 Dec 2012 23:02:25
Hey Guys,

don't post here normally, but thought i would tonight.

Personally, i found the performance tonight better than against Swansea, but nothing a club like ours should be proud of... but what can you do.... i know that i've run out of ideas.

But anyway on a different subject- if anyone is watching the Fabrice Muamba doc on tv tonight - it is unbelievable.

The guy suffers a cardiac arrest, and is told never to play our lovely game again - after everything he had to work for ...

There is not many people in the world that would get back on their feet and do the work he has done to raise awareness not only throughout football but in general everyday life.

I'm not an emotional guy but i had a tear in my eye throughout..


Sorry about the change of subject guys but i thought it would be a welcome change from all this 'superficial' doom and gloom when there has been some unbelievable feats involving a former gunner.

GunnerOxley

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Nice 1 oxley

champagne charlie

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04 Dec 2012 22:20:27
It's sad to say but I think most teams will hope to play us in the next round!
We are only making up the numbers in the Champs League - what's the point of being in it if you ain't gonna compete?
Top players will see this and will not sign for us soon
Sad to say that - it hurts
SY4

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So if we are only making up the numbers what are citeh doing?

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04 Dec 2012 21:32:31
I'm sorry but Coquelin is sh!t, how do people think he's good enough? As for the rest..
Shez - not bad
Meade - I'm impressed, worked hard showed some neat moves
Verm - hmm
Sqid - sh!t
Jenks - bit of an off game
Coq - sh!t
Ramsey - sadly not good enough
Rosicky - our best player
Chambo - I must admit I'm gettin concerned by his lack of progress. Know he's young but he had little to no impact on too many games.
Gervinho - ok set the goal up but other than that total sh!t, gives the ball away, sells teammates short time and time again, runs into corners and loses the ball
Chamakh - why bother?
Arshavin - apparently arshavin came on in the second half, where he was I have no idea
Wenger / tactics - well we looked alright on the counter with rosicky on the pitch, when he was withdrawn it was a very limp and ineffective display. At the time of writing this schalke were only drawing, so was playing this line up beneficial in any way?
The answer is no.
AG

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Wenger's formations are having a detrimental effect on many players. He must revert to 4-4-1-1, that won us trophies & he needs a couple of taller driving, tackling players in the middle, rather than the smaller more technical players. imagine..
Reina
Sagna Mertesacker Vermaelen Gibbs
Wilshere Fellaini Abu Diaby Cazorla
Podolski
Giroud

This team looks much more like a team from the successful Wenger era.

as well as:
Szczesny
Jenkinson New CB Koscielny New LB
Oxlade Arteta M'Vila Gervinho
Walcott
Huntelaar

These are 2 teams, that could be interchanged & would be extremely effective.

To assist in paying for these players, sell/release:
Mannone, Fabianski, Djourou, Santos, Squilacci, Denilson, Coquelin, Arsahvin, Chamakh, Bendtner & Park.

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Szczesney - Played well, a quality keeper, but we need a senior keeper such as Reina at the club.
Jenkinson - Went through the motions, I am not convinced by him he is young. Needs to work hard on his game & could become the next Bale.
Meade - At 5'3", will never make it at the top level. Quick & technically quick, but will be bullied due to his size.
Squilacci - Needs to go, has become a poor player, was very average & disinterested last night.
Vermaelen - Hopefully, back to his best soon.
Oxlade - Needs to be played wide right in a 4-4-1-1 formation to see the best of him.
Coquelin - No longer young enough to be excused criticism. I had high hopes for him when he first arrived, but starting to look like a Denilson clone.
Rosicky - Absolutely excellent, great squad player, allowing Cazorla the occasional rest.
Ramsey - Would look far better in the central midfield of a 4-4-1-1 formation. personally I prefer central midfield players in the mould of Abu Diaby, Gilberto & Vieira.
Gervinho - The words headless & chicken come to mind. I think a free role off a main striker, such as Giroud would suit him better.
Chamakh - Absolutely devoid of confidence, I believe Wenger has totally ruined this once decent player, who looks a shadow of his former self.
Arshavin - Absolutely devoid of confidence, I believe Wenger has totally ruined this once decent player, who looks a shadow of his former self.
Wenger - Must revert to his successful 4-4-1-1 formation & allow Bould free reign to train the defending & abandon the nasty zonal marking. He needs to revert to having 2 tall driving midfield players such as Vieira, Petit & Gilberto in the old days. I would keep Abu Diaby & try & purchase Fellaini & M'Vila to give us options. I would then play Oxlade, Cazorla & Wilshere wide of a central two.

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04 Dec 2012 21:51:53
Struggling again to understand wenger and his subs rosicky best player in first half replace him at half time

2-1 down and take a defender off I'm speechless again

Ok maybe I expect too much lol

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Because he has been chroniclly injured and we need him fit...

While you may not be a genius winger is. It doesn't mean he gets everything right, but it also doesn't mean the fans critise every decision without justification.

Billybob

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I can understand Wenger being a bit cautious with him really. I think the plan is to utilise him on Satuday to maybe give Cazorla or Wilshire a rest. He is just easing him back in.

You could see tonight he still has a bit of class about him. He nearly made the right passing option unlike Gervinho and overall gave us more tempo in the first half.

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Wenger clearly only intended to give Rosicky 45 mins as he has been out for 6 months & he should be able to be a substitute on Saturday, whereas if he had played the whole match he might not have been in condition. It mattered little if we finished 2nd, other than playing the 2nd leg of the next match at home. If we win on Saturday then Wenger's selection will have been justified, we will also be able to play a similar team against Bradford on Tuesday, allowing another midweek rest for the first eleven. With matches coming thick & fast, this could prove to be the turning point in our season. With Rosicky fit again & hopefully Abu Diaby back soon, the following 3 signings could transform our season. Reina, M'Vila & Huntelaar.

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04 Dec 2012 21:50:50
what shall we talk about tonight?

the board

the manager

possible signings

arshavin being a superstar

anything but the performance

champagne charlie

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You've got to love a Russian that moves to London and complains its too cold.

1404

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Awful we are geared up to lose to WBA they play on the counter an will be quite happy containing us .. I'm worried !:(

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I'm worried about this weekend v WBA there geared up to play counter attack and will quite happy contain our slow lacklustre tempo ... Didn't sign off on the last reply ...


Yorkshire gooner Joe :D

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NOW WILL PEOPLE START LISTENING TO ME!

CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE {Ed007's Note - Who's not listening to you mate? Tell me and I will sort it.}

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Gl tomorrow night edoo7

champagne charlie

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04 Dec 2012 21:50:12
All I want to say is ROsicky please stay fit....
Quality, true class

Shaneyd

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Agre he is still a quality midfielder and best player by a mile for us tonight. O.K may not have the full 90 Min stamina but still has that burst of acceleration and eye for a pass. He gave the side much needed tempo.

I can understand Wenger being cautious with him as he could be starting on Saturday to give Cazorla as rest.

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04 Dec 2012 21:49:13
Its not finishing second in the group im concerned about.. whoever we get we will need to beat, there are a few good teams who look like they won't top their group.

Its just disappointing how much we faded in the second half. I cant be bothered to go in to details cos its just the usual suspects performing as we have seen for the past 2 years.

West Brom is must win in my opinion.

WG

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04 Dec 2012 21:47:56
Girhvino please go away, always slowing the attack down, at least ramsey looks up to see where other players are.

Yes he did well with the cutback for ros. but one good moement every 20 games is not good enough. the french league must be the best league in the world!

Den

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Ramsey might look up but he see's,takes in and understands nothing........i wouldnt want to be in a car with him, no awareness whatsoever.

1404

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04 Dec 2012 21:40:15
was not expecting much, tommy v was not bad meade not bad eitherbut gervinho my granny could do better and shes been dead for 15 years
yanman

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04 Dec 2012 21:31:16
Does Ramsey pass the ball with his eyes closed

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04 Dec 2012 21:19:58
another tactical masterclass take off our most offensive player rosicky,replace him with arshavin ,priceless

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04 Dec 2012 21:16:55
Granted we qualified already for the last 16, BUT TO MAKE US A LAUGHING STOCK IN EUROPE with that team selection.......... AW you gotta go, i understand the resting of players carrying knocks but there is not one established player barring Arshavin on the bench, no-one to make a difference, you have seriously lost the plot!!!

N. Wales Gunner

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04 Dec 2012 21:15:16
Sloopy.... its not that we dont have good players... its just that we lack the spirit... something wengers never realises.... the team just dosent even look like they are bothered....

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04 Dec 2012 21:09:56
RAMSEY IS AWFUL!
Please sell ASAP

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04 Dec 2012 21:06:19
Rosicky...injured!

Couldn't make this rubbish up

Olympiakos equaliser as I'm writing this FFS

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04 Dec 2012 20:49:12
Glad to see Rosicky running the show! Just seen he's off for arsh

Gerv needs to move the ball quicker a few times easy passes have been on and he has chosen to run with it.

Ramsey looking positive

Meade looks a hot prospect, loan him to a prem club

Shezza quality as always

Ox is on he fringes

Chamack has the touch of a camel

Verm and squid look shakey, can't help honk that other than the rm band it would be Kos and mert starters.

Coq is working hard but is still ineffective


COYG


Adam P

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04 Dec 2012 20:35:05
SUPER TOM!

Has been one of my fav players for the past couple of seasons.

He looks like he cares.

WG

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Did u see his attempt to stop michu from scoring his second goal. He looks like he dosent care

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04 Dec 2012 20:21:50
Aaron Ramsey.... Why?

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04 Dec 2012 20:00:32
9mins into the game I can categorically state that Chamakh and Squid have no business wearing that shirt! I'm 30, slightly overweight out of shape and have a dodgy ankle (not that I'm blowing my own trumpet) but seriously I could put in a better performance. If they're not giving away silly corners they're falling all over the place or giving the ball back to the opposition! Joke signings! TR7 looks handy though.
N1Fox

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04 Dec 2012 19:43:39
Just heard Stewart Robson talk on and he was saying that AW should have been sacked 4-5 years ago. He talks about the training methods, development of Walcott, Bouldy having no influence, lack of tactical nous, etc...worth a listen.

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The blokes a person, end of

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This website is full of negativity and moaners. Who the hell is Stewart Robson by the way? How many titles winning sides has he managed lately? I'm not sure if he has ever guided a team to the last 16 in the CL or am I mistaken?
I can accept that Arsenal are going through a real bad patch - the worst I've seen - Wenger knows this, he knows that his transfers haven't worked out and he knows that he has to spend in January or Arsenal could finish in the bottom half of the table).
It's time the moaners and gripers on here got behind the team a bit more.
I'd give Wenger till the end of the season to finish in top 4 - if not - then he should go - but give him time to sort out the mess.

ScotsGooner

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Another 7 years?

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Until the end of the season - 7/8 years is a long time without a trophy - if he gets us top four i'd be happy and consider it an escape. But by hell they better spend big and get this team back to normal...

ScotsGooner

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04 dec 2012 19:39:12
squillaci to score the 1st goal 44/1

worth a bet???????

nope!

champagne charlie

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More chance of an own goal
N1Fox

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04 Dec 2012 19:32:14
I miss the time, when this was a rumour site, not a moaning site...

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I miss the time when posters would all ways sign off!

such is life.

champagne charlie

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You support the wrong team then.

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I miss the time when rumours about Arsenal had a shred of truth to them and then came true.

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It is a rumour site, but this is the banter forum.

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Its just banter Pal

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04 Dec 2012 18:39:49
Can't help thinking that to field a "second string" team tonight is us out at the next stage of the CL. If as AW has said so many times the CL is 2nd in his priorities after finishing 4th in the EPL, I feel this is a negative move. Realistically, can we beat the likes of Barca, Madrid, Bayern etc. Again, baffled by AW's tactics.

Bones

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Just to highlight, real madrid are going through in second as are ac milan. Add into that either bayern or valencia depending on how that group ends up tomorrow... Finishing top of the group this year doesnt mean an easier game!
Tim Taylor

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04 Dec 2012 18:33:47
should toni adams be the next arsenal manager?

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Is that a combination of Luca Toni and Tony Adams?

WG

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Tony (spelt the boys way) Adams should never be aloud anywhere near management - great player but awful person

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04 Dec 2012 20:37:06
No please we will go backwards if we do that

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Classic case of heart over head! As much as I'd love to see big tone suited n booted shouting orders from the touch line, given his current managerial CV it will never happen! Maybe as No2 if Bould gets to step in Arsene's around 2024

OnlyOneGilbertO

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04 Dec 2012 18:08:39
It's obvious things are not well and I am sure everyone involved with Arsenal can see that whether they choose to admit it or not. Buying 11 new players and a new manager might appear to be the easy solution, then what?. Are we to be compared to Chelsea or Man City. We have descent players, AW and Bould need to up their game and get them playing to their best.
As fans we also need to up our game and start supporting the team not only when they are winning. The Reading game is an example of what proper support is and the positive impact it can have rather than the boos at home.
Players are human and have feelings, Gerv, Rambo etc, do not need all that negative criticism after every game.
As for the so called dead wood, they moved their families to London and now we expect them to just pack and go, if a player decides to leave, we call them Judas but its okay for us to boot them out.
Aimless anger will get us in bigger problems than we think we have.
Whats with the "Wenger Lover" name tag, he is our Manager, and "Yes" he has to take the bulk of the blame for the poor results, "But" he still needs our support more than ever.
COME ON GOONERS WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS!

MOFAYA

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What a load of rubbish

there is a huge difference having to move city,country and club when your on £50k+ a week.

do you think when you move club there is no 1 from the your new club organising accomadation,travel even schools for their kids?

i know arsenal have 2-3 luxury houses in hertfordshire for new signings.

i have to say this is the worse post i have read on here for a long time.

champagne charlie

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04 Dec 2012 17:57:18
I am glad we are giving some our first team players a rest.

Firstly, these so called 'First Team' players have certainly not been performing to expectations, perhaps they need some competition to get the best out of them. If we can get some performances outo f the likes of Chamakh, Arshavin and Coquelin then perhaps others will realise they could be dropped for the PL games.

The team tonight all have something to prove, whether its to fight for a place in the first team or to find a move away, as long as they play well i'm not that bothered. Just win.

Seeing as finishing top is out of our hands anyway, and the team selected should be winning without a doubt then the risk is fairly low.

Lastly, perhaps a rest is just what the likes of Cazorla and co need. Particularly with a hectic xmas schedule.

WG

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04 Dec 2012 16:53:37
Gooner mark you've raised the same question fans and the world in general have been asking for the last 4 years - why doesn't arsene pump the money into the team.

The reason none of us know is because EITHER he is too stubborn, has his own agenda and ideas and is deluded about the quality of the team and the current standards of his coaching...

Or his hands are tied and he is not MAN enough to come out and tell the fans the truth.

I for one have my suspicions that the reason he is paid more than Fergie is he is paid to keep quiet. Sadly, he is arrogant enough to take the money and play the 'nobody could do this as well as me' card instead of coming clean with the fans and walking away.

He was clearly devastated when Fabregas left. He says himself 'how can a club say they are ambitious if every year you sell your best players?' those were HIS words in a conference a few weeks before he sold Fabregas.

Now, we have a board who says money is there and a manager who says the money is there and it will be spent on the 'right player' only of 'top top quality' and 'if they become available'. So much fat to chew it's unbelievable. What this says to me is - the club cannot legally hide the fact that money is there. What it can do is fully intend on not spending, come out with comments like those, and then blame on one or a combo of those factors coming true.

Again - you have to ask why would a manager take the money, work within those constraints, and not come clean to the fans if he loves the club so much? Couple of reasons - either he is so arrogant that he truly believes he is the most capable person for the job, which has been in question for years now. Or, he actually agrees with the club, is happy not to spend, and honestly doesn't see a problem.

If Wenger is 'so good' in his eyes (and recent comments of 'when AFC are 17th in the league I will not be here' suggest he is that arrogant) then surely he must feel that if he had all the money at his disposal and bought well, he'd win the league year after year?

Whichever way you look at things, and whoeevr is to blame for money not being spent, it is still WENGER who is the man who could be HONEST with the fans if he wanted to be. He could choose to come out and say 'it is all me, the board have no say', he could choose to say 'my hands are tied, they always have been, please believe me' or he could choose to walk away because his hands are tied.

Instead, which I hate more than anything - he ties himself in knots, mocks the fans, condescends to us all e.g 'in England people do no understand the concept of tiredness well.' - er, f*** you Arsene you nob, I understand the concept perfectly.

He makes his bed whichever way you look at it. The worst thing of all is he doesn't back up comments about 'I will not be here...' by producing magic on the pitch. We have been POOR and scraping by for at least 3 years now.

Metal Gooner

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Well said!

Pete '63

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Metal after reading your post i must say that i agree that i think his hands are tied and agree with the paid big money to keep quiet. i know i basically post the same thing but some big changes need to be made.


gooner mark

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Personally, and this is pure speculation on my part, but i do believe he IS arrogant as all heck and his hands ARE tied.
consider either scenario on it's own and nothing makes much sense unless you add the two together.

he is French and, like all things French, he is arrogant. it comes naturally to them. frankly, i envy them for it. it's like a frail old white lady swinging around with a boombox on her shoulders and bling round her neck.

Arsene does love the club, and even if he leaves sooner rather than later, his impression here won't be wiped away easily. regardless of whether he's made a pretty penny off the club without delivering the silverware, i can't doubt his dedication to the club.

every year, we've been told the money is there, despite having to sell off player to balance the books. i remember reading that the profits offsetting the overall finances, were only due to player sales. so logic dictates, there is no real transfer kitty to speak of unless we're auctioning off all our youth prospects too.

i understand Wenger's looking for cut-price deals and month-long bargains over a $35 and two peanuts worth of a discount and this certainly doesn't help the transfers along. but something that does trouble me is that this isn't new to Le Prof's style of getting his man at ludicrously low sums. it certainly wasn't a problem when David Dein was here, was it?
on a personal note, i find the idea of shelling out 25+ million for a player and then paying him obscene wages to do the same job everyone else does to be downright crazy, but the modern game, eh?

the upper management just seems to have messed with too many variables and now it's starting to catch up to the team. i can't seem Wenger spending. it hurts his philosophy, the new dogma of the team and Arsene's already bloated ego.

doesn't mean he can't fix this wreck, but doesn't mean we should count on miracles either.

psychocyst.

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AT LAST METAL!

the passion is finally back full time!

keep it up.

champagne charlie

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Excellent post Metal!

Couldn't have said it better myself, tried a few times and failed.

Regardless of whether there is money or isn't he is still doing a poor job. That's why he has to go at the end of the season. I have been patient, it's not like he's had one bad season. It's several bad seasons, UCL Qualification aside, and his repeated failure to learn from prior mistakes, which ultimately will lead to further mistakes.

I have nothing but love for Arsenal, Wenger not so much anymore.

For instance I COULD be watching Reus and Götze tear Man City a new one but instead I'll be watching Ramsey and Chamakh help make a mess of tonight's match (Chamakh brace C'MON I believe lol) all in the name of love.

StEvE

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Raz - as I remember you before you flounced off and reinvented yourself - you post some of the most provocative, insightful, heartfelt and interesting posts I regularly read, but this one is in my 'umble, knee-jerk, reactionary and turncoat.
Perhaps, and I stress perhaps, AW has cooked his goose. Maybe his genius has had his time. Introducing a new diet, a new training regime, an overhaul of scouting, developing talent, winning trophies, the Invincables, bringing intelligence to counter the Ashley Cole culture: all this can be laid at his door. Equally, standing still in - ahem - "not winning", transfer errors (Arshavin, Chamakh, wossisface from South Korea) endless retrospective reports of "we nearly signed"...Drogba, Ibrahimovic, Yaya Toure" and an intransigence to consider anything other than plan "A" all support your post.
But it seems so un Raz/Metal Gooner like in it's analysis.

I support AW - just - in that it is fashionable to beat us up, in that I wouldn't swap with Citeh, in that we aren't "in crisis". We are a fabulous institution that isn't in thrall to Abramovich, Fenway Sports or Citehs trillions. We have pride, tradition, standards and (generally) the moral high ground. A cup or three, or just six wins and two draws out of the next eight games, would suffice. A PL trophy or the CL would be ace. But remember, Chelsea we ain't, nor would we ever want to be, and they are current Champions League Winners. And supreme #*!n's too!
In Arsene I still (just) trust and.... Be Careful What You Wish For.
Max Farnham

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04 Dec 2012 16:09:12
Ok this isn't a rumour its fact.

Oxlade-Chamberlain has signed a 4 year extension to his contract with a vastly improved weekly wage.

This was tied up quite a while ago and people in Chambo's camp have no idea why it has not been annouced.

I'm not saying this means anything just delivering the fact

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04 Dec 2012 10:34:36
Eds, are there any news on Yanga Mbiwa and Mvilla? What are the chances for them to join us in January? {Ed027's Note - Mbiwa wants Milan, and hes signed a new deal so, hed cost a awful lot, Mvilla would be a massive risk, dont think wenger has the balls to take it

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04 Dec 2012 10:24:52
Hello ed, do you expect another rebuild at Arsenal next season? By that i mean another 2 or 3 first team players like we have been doing for the past 3 seasons. We have been reshuffling our squad in the every summer lately, do you expect that to continue?

Lwi {Ed027's Note - i expect sagna to leave, Jenko is taking over his place imo, dont know abut theo, cant see any other big names leaving

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04 Dec 2012 15:57:04
Click Agree if you believe the club will use the sponsorship money to buy assets for the club (players) to maintain a high league position, try and qualify for the champions league again, and maybe win a trophy, thus avoiding the loss in revenue of up to say £30m champs league and say £10-20m league revenue.

Click Disagree if you feel the club would rather throw away the sponsorship money AFTER we FAIL to secure that money ^ because we didn't take the chance we have been given and invest now.

That sponsorship is not JUST £150m - it's an OPPORTUNITY for this club to secure funding for players that we desperately need now in order to climb the table, and again in the summer in order to mount a serious title challenge next year. Will the club take the chance? Why do I doubt this?

So - AGREE = you think the club will spend money it has to not only avoid losses but also strengthen the team.

Click DISAGREE if you think they club will not spend, and would instead prefer to save that money and give it away on losses it could prevent, without adding to the team.

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Which do i click If I think the sponsorship money has been used to buy a ranch, and pay for Hill-Wood's care?

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I would like to think Hill-Wood's multi-million pound health insurance policy is paying for his healthcare.

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04 Dec 2012 15:46:31
Im just worried that with the german league and the spanish league and italian league growing after english dominance over the last decade, The BPL isn't the atraction it once was and isnt superior to the other leagues ! so why would world class players choose us?

many play at the big clubs already and we cant persuade them through money due to the wage cap? so if we dont have champions league football what do we have? all this planning for financial fair play well if we cant get the players we will never get back up there, things have too be sorted and soon, i mean what top player goes to liverpool now? they just get second rate english players...

say i am a top player looking at my options , arsenal dont offer champs league ( if we dont qualify) or money? what do they have that other top clubs in europe doo...

I know this sounds bizarre but many talk about wenger maybe he is the attraction? he lives in his history , and if were not careful we will be tooo....

comments welcome, please fill me with confidence as too how we plan to compete now never mind in the future? :/

Yorkshire gooner Joe

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04 Dec 2012 15:12:40
I don't have a crystal ball so I can't say what wenger will do, but its plain to see for any man and his dog we miss a proper no rubbish defense midfielder with no asperations to be messi just someone who puts a foot in and then gives the ball to jack or santi
Yanman

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04 Dec 2012 16:06:23
You dont need a crystal ball just to have read the posts on the page over the last few months and everyman and his dog has already said it. No offence Yanman.

Stoner

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I would like to see us revert to a 4 man midfield with two tall powerful central midfield players. Our best & most successful two combinations in the Wenger era, were Vieira & Petit, followed by Vieira & Gilberto. i would love to see Fellaini & Abu Diaby. I believe Wilshire could easily be turned into a wide player in the Overmars mould. So ... Wilshere, Fellaini, Abu Diaby & Oxlade. Wow!

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04 Dec 2012 14:53:04
In the last 3 years Wenger has really signed some bad to average players that were unlikely to succeed in the premiership.
BAD:
Gervinho, Giroud, Park Chu, Santos, Chamakh, Squillaci. Total - £37m
AVERAGE:
Mertesacker, Podolski, - £21m
POTENTIAL:
Ox, Jenks, Joel Campbell - £11m
GOOD:
Cazorla - £20m

I believe this list shows that Wenger is no longer the master in the market that he used to be as he has wasted money on players that are not suitable for the premiership. On top of that he plays half of them out of position or not at all. I have no faith Wenger will sign marquee signings in January and am very worried about our future.
Do you agree/disagree?
Chess

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Giroud has not been bad for us! He's actually been one of our most effective players

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Um,

Gerv 12m, Giroud 13m, Park 3m, Santos 6, Squid 6.5 = 40m ish.

Ox alone ws £12m so plus 1m for Campbell and 1m for Jenko = £14m.

Cazorla was £16m

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We could have had:
Enrique - same price as Santos
Moses - cheaper than Gervinho
Sinclair - cheaper than Gervinho
Jarvis - cheaper than Gervinho (and before you say a word, proved time and again he is dangerous against the best EPL teams)

We could have Ba for free, Jelavic for 6m, Cisse for 9m,

We could have basically had a million other better players for the same money.

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Move Giroud and Mertesaker up categories, with Podolski potentially good, and the same for Giroud now he's found form, and I'd agree.

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And 5 of them are from the french league.

we need to stop funding french football

champagne charlie

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Giroud bad? the only guy on the field who looks like he knows what he's doing and wants to do a lot of it apart from JW10? bad?

and how dare you rate the magnificant Squid so poorly? you shall face his vengeful, slow, lumbering tentacally wrath!

psychocyst.

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Sorry Guys, I know I am in the minority but for me Giroud will turn out to be Chamakh V2.0. Yes he had a nice run of 5 in 3 but since then he hasn't really been any good. Lets say Average then (Bad is Harsh). Podolski could be good if we played him as a striker. Mertesacker was poor last year and good this year hence the Average. I still think he is too slow though,
Chess

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04 Dec 2012 20:23:35
Both Merts and Giroud are OK players - but TOO SLOW for the EPL.

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04 Dec 2012 14:30:14
Either our physios or the clowns who lay out our training regimes, or both, need shooting.

We've got a trip to Greece for a match that we dont necessarily have to win. A win would maybe put us top if Shalke lose (doubt it) but it's not life or death. This is an opportunity to give our underperforming (perhaps exhausted ?) players a rest so why not use a combination of kids and overpaid squad players to fill the gaps.

Thats what they are for right ?

Thats why we pay them yeah ?

Isnt that what a squad is for ?

Sorry, but we can't as apperantely Messrs. Djourou and Miguel have picked up knocks. Could somebody firstly explain how the hell they got injured when they haven't played any football and moreover why do we pay guys up to 50k a week to make up a squad when we don't get to use them even to give the others a break.

There goes any possibality of our fringe players perssurising the first teamers for their place.

It's simply a joke !

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Let's put it like this -

-Another website amongst others have been reporting for years that training methods are overly-intense at Arsenal considering the intensity of a high-tempo game.

-On top, the frequency of training sessions needs adjusting. This is according to outside sources rather than player feedback.

-However, players themselves have said they are not being allowed to adapt from Europe, and that they are being asked to train too hard when they have 3 games in 8 days.

We have millions and millions of pounds worth of medical, training and recovery equipment, but a coach and manager who goes on jaded stats and 'I believes' to determine fatigue.

-He runs players into the ground year after year - this is not the first squad to complain about this at all in the last 6 years, in fact every year has been the same - and then wonders why 99% of our injuries are stress-related.

- He hasn't taken Jack to Greece because he needs a rest. Rest? The guy is basically fully fit, and did you watch his last game Arsene? He stood stock still for 45 minutes! Why is he tired?

Broken bones aside, how many of our players get taken out really badly in games, come off on a stretcher and miss the next few weeks? Hardly any.

They play poor football, walk off the pitch, and then the next day it's 'Santos has pulled a stomach muscle, Kieran is out with a thig strain, Diaby pulled a calf muscle and will miss 4 months. Jack has a stress injury on a tendon. Rosicky needs SURGERY on a bruised ligament.'

WHAT THE HELL! Surgery?? I know, instead of letting a player heal for a month, let's cut him open and play with him and let him take 4 instead.

I know that's trivialising it but seriously wtf. Coquelin pulled up injured within half an hour on two or three occasions last season, and the only reason he was on the pitch was because we were short.

When I was a kid I trained on a monday afternoon, had light training on a tuesday, just some tactical drills, we played a match on weds, break on thurs, tactics on fri and another match on sat.

I did this every week from the age of 8 to 13 and got a break in the holidays. I was boy ffs. When I was at uni I trained 3 times a week and had a game - 99% of the time this was on about 3 hours sleep and I was arguably still hammered. I still took time to go to the gym twice a week to do a max intensity session for weight gain, without being a nob I had a girlfriend who gave me a lot of attention as well, and I wasn't the only one who lived like this. We never complained we were tired, never missed a game because of a bloody dead leg or ruined ankle, (was a rugby player too, that sh!t simply doesn't fly with me) and I certainly wasn't paid for my sins.

Wenger needs to pull his head out of his arse and change things. If people who are paid millions of pounds every year to be super fit are complaining that they are tired and playing like they haven't slept for a month, something is WRONG. No amount of stubborn arrogance will change that.

Man U do not train heavily, and not daily, when they play 3 games in 8 days. or do Chelsea? Why do we? How come Scholes, Giggs, Lamps etc handle it but our fighting fit kids cannot?

Metal Gooner

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When your 8 - 13 years old your muscles haven't fully developed so the are more stretchy and supple. These players muscles are strong and taught. Most muscle pulls or injuries are high speed/impact injuries. The speed at which these guys move and turn its much higher chance of injury. This isn't an excuse just the way the body is and develops. Little bit insulting comparing yourself as a 10 year old to a pro footballer.

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Well Mr. Nameless it's not insulting it's the simpel truth that these men have been conditioned their entire lives to be able to perform at this level. Not one player exerted himself the other day anyway so how can they say they're tired.

More to the point, I left uni a little over a year ago and will be 28 in February - I a ma full grown man and that routine I spoke about was during years where I was older than well over half the team we currently have. It is no excuse!

Metal Gooner

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So, a not-fully-developed kid can handle the same work rate as a fully grown more-intensely-conditioned adult? I'm not buying that first response.

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04 Dec 2012 14:03:56
Having watched the last few matches again, arteta looks very tired.

Class player but does he have the fitness and physicality to play as a dm for a full season?

Capoue would be welcome cover; it is a shame about diary but he is crocked and must go.


Billybob

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How in the hell did you manage to sit through and watch out last few games again!?!? I'd rather watch paint dry

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04 Dec 2012 13:46:30
Champagne charlie, Usmanov and Dien in

Wenger, Stan, Ivan out

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Yes please!!

champagne charlie

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04 Dec 2012 10:00:54
can anyone explain why the following arent in tonights squad:

Djourou, Yannaris & Miquel

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Yennaris and Miquel have 'knocks'.

Djourou - no idea.

Metal Gooner

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Read somewhere Djourou was injured. same for Miquel. nothing on Nico, though this is a good chance for him.

psychocyst.

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All injured

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Psycho it was on the site yesterday that Nico is injured mate.

Metal Gooner

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How has Djourou got injured? he hasnt played!

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04 Dec 2012 09:38:21
In regards to the potential striking reinforcements:

Adrian Lopez - Watched him and do not see what all the fuss is about.

Huntelaar - 29 years old, we will spend 12mil on him then sell him when he's 31 as wenger will consider him too old.

Llorente -too similar to Giroud

Cavani - too pricey

Falcao - too pricey

I would 'hate' to see any of these in an Arsenal shirt. I would much rather Luiz Adriano, Lewandowski or even Zaha

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04 Dec 2012 10:19:35
Mate its no use. If (and its a big if) Wenger decides to get someone in jan, then it will be a player completley out of the blue. Almost the same way we signed Cazorla.

They keep linking us with target men and strikers who drift wide, when we all know we need a defensive mid and a left back. Dont bother with gossip columns because i doubt Wenger is interested in bringing anyone in until he sorts out Walcotts future and then get rid of the out of contract squad players. So dont expect much untill he end of the season when we will most probably be without Sagna and Walcott.

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You would hate to see nay of huntelaar, cavani or falcao in an arsenal shirt?

Are you crazy

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Is Nay of Huntelaar similar to Johannes "Jan" Vennegoor of Hesselink aside from both being Dutch?

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Wouldn't KJH be cup-tied since Schalke are still in it too?

psychocyst.

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Zaha, Luke Shaw and Bendtners return seem the most likely when we need Fellaini, Huntelaar/Ba and Mbiwa.

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04 Dec 2012 07:55:18
the problem is our squad is shockingly thin....i cant remember the last time someone came off the bench and really made a difference....the last i can remember is henry return in cup or arshavin v barca....cham squil and djour often never even make the bench...wenger needs to decide on positions for the ox and rambo (even tho i am not his greatest fan tbh) and play then there consistently not one week ur a cm nx ur a winger i think this is stalling their progress badly... but its due to the lack of options we have.....i mean gerv as a striker sort it out wenger!no where else at a top club are there so many liabilities and i not talking just poor players and options but we have so many shockers on loan and hyped up players that will never make it at our level....sorry if ryo or campbell etc were good enuf at 20 21 they wouldnt be on loan its just like fran merida & emmanuel thomas all over again...i dont see any young player of quality loaned out more than once sorry
kcider

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Absolutely. We need:
1) Another quality keeper
2) Another tall right-sided Centre Back to replace Djourou.
3) A Left back to replace the woeful Santos
4) A tall powerful midfield player as cover/ alternative for Abu Diaby
5) We need a left-sided attacking midfield player
6) We need another forward.

There should be two options for every position & 3 keepers.

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^
1. Sergio Asenjo
2. Angelo Ogbonna
3. Domenico Criscito
4. Mohamed Diame
5. James Rodriguez
6. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar

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To be fair there are lietrally hundreds of centre backs we could get who'd be better than Djourou, who could rotate for first team as well as being back up (Man U- Rio, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Jones - all better than Djou, all play regularly due to rotation and injuries and coz Fergie knows what he's doing). When u buy good players for the squad you don't need to worry about playing your 'best' 11 every week because changing up one or two players and then making 3 subs rotates the team well, keeps everyone fresh and eveyrone gets games. The reason we haven't rested Mertesacker or Vermaelen is because Djourou and Squid are 100% not good enough to alleviate the burden. Simple.

This tells me Arsene knows the players aren't good enough.

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04 Dec 2012 06:48:59
Hi Ed

We hear a lot about AW is following this or that player for the past 2-3 yrs. like goetze, M'vila, bender, etc...he sends his scout team to check on the player and they provide a scouting report . But why **** he does not buy those players ? if you give the right money to the club i think.every club can sell any player if the price value is fair gives them a financial stability. even the club officials keep say ; we will not sell him , "he is not interested " (wages can lure a player as well, even they claim i.want to stay or i am happy at the club. ) My point is these scouts have followed the players and visit them to watch them play. They keep on doing this for 2-3yrs. but by that time some rich big bugs are thrown by clubs like MCFc , Cfc , Rmd etc.. and arsenal keep on looking and can not compete matching their price. So much time, travelling expenses and other expenses are done, why is that ? why follow some one for yrs and not buy. don't u think this is ridiculous also gives other clubs to watch them as the media keeps on posting these stories !! what abt those expenses. if we have less we should follow up those who we need to buy for sure and develop English players at the academy. Barca has squad which has almost every player is Spanish ? have you read Barca scouts follow up these players for 2-3 years. they will watch if they need to buy and that to a player who has proven his worth at the highest level and is in his mid twenty.e.g song, David villa, alexis , messi signing was only because he came to Spain for treatment where they saw him ? also one more thing why the hell wenger let Joel Campbell go on loan when he has shortage of attacking options. He was now ready to be part of first team . We want zaha in our squad but why not Campbell , aneke.

if arsenal is not able to sell the dead wood this winter do you think AW will buy. ? buy cavani or levendoski or reus, goetze . these are top players.?

what do u think who besides pep and Jose can be future boss ? i will go for David Moyes .

AW - buy top talent who can change the goal drought and gives atleast 25- 30 goals ever season .

also why we don't have buy- out clauses in his the same way as Portugal. clubs {Ed002's Note - Forget "buy out" clauses, it is complex and something which is much overhyped. Clubs cannot simply buy any player they wish. As an example, Goetze was not for sale and did not want to move.}

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04 Dec 2012 02:43:27
Im beggining to understand now why our players are leaving...

They don't want to be a part of Arsenals future plan; stay in CL for a while so that once they pay off the Emirates they can start killing it.

I don't blame them for moving clubs. If they want success, money and glory then Arsenal is clearly not the place to find it.

Nick.

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Everyone got so emotional when RVP left (myself included) but they directed all their hate and anger towards RVP - why? He did every footballer, every fan and in truth the club a favour in the long run, much likein the same sense that when you find out your 13 yr old kid is smoking and you go ape and make all the effort to stop it - they may hate you but in time they realise it was for the best.

Everyone hated RVP. I don't blame him one bit. 3rd best player in Europe statistically, and what the hell did AFC do to convince him to stay? 'Robin, how's this for a plan - we'll ignore the talent that's already premier league quality, and we'll look to the lower leagues. What? Yeah Santos was a great signing wasn't he! Oh you're being sarcastic. Sorry Robin why would we sign Enrique who can match Theo for pace and is prem adapted when we can sign an out-of-favour ex-international LB from the continent who will take a year to adapt? We couldn't possibly buy someone better than young boy Kieran - in 3 years time he will be big and strong and ready for the first team spot, why would we block this?

You want Moses, Robin? Why? He showed Sagna up twice last season alone, why would we sign him? He has proven he is of exceptional quality. Listen Robin, you know we need a winger - to prove we show ambition I am going to completely ignore this hole in our squad, how does that sound?'

'Arsene - we play a rubbish formation.'

'Robin, it is a brilliant formation, so long as every player is of elite upper echelon of world class standard like at Barca and the league is weaker than the EPL.'

'Yes but Arsene we do not have those players. And this is the EPL.'

'Is it? Oh yes. What do you mean Robin, of course they world class.'

'I really don't think so Arsene. Why didn't we sign Samba?'

'Samba was too good - Djourou and Squillaci told me they want to stay and fight for their places and that it's nothing to do with their massive wages. It would be unfair to sign such a good player, he would show them up. In fact, he'd probably show Vermaelen up!'

'Arsene - this i not what I call ambition.'

'Robin, how can you say trying to win the league and champions league with Ramsey, Diaby, Gibbs, Chamakh and no world class players is not ambitious? Surely this defines 'ambitious'?'

'Yeah....I think I'm going to leave, Arsene. Sorry.'

'Ok how's about we pay you £110k per week? That's just less than me. You'll be the single most valuable asset at this club, earning less than the man who won't furnish the team with the calibre of players you deserve to play with. Sound good?'

'Bye Arsene. Get what you can for me so that none of it works its way back onto the pitch, yes? There's a good chap.'

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Forgot to sign sorry - Metal Gooner

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No-one hates RVP for leaving...however they certainly hate him for joining MU.

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Haha fair point!

Metal Gooner

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04 Dec 2012 02:38:31
i've just read a story regarding silent stan. apparently he's just spent 80 million pound on a 124,000 acre farm situated near the rocky mountains. don't get me wrong i know he's loaded and all that but if he does care about arsenal like he supposedly does then why don't he pump that kind of money into the club in january transfer window? i tell you why because our club for him is about profit and profit only. i'm not being funny but any arsenal fan who likes stan seriously needs their head testing. i know i'm always ranting about the yanks all the time but we seriously need usmanov to make him an offer he couldn't refuse, david dean will deal with the players contracts and deal with transfers and it wouldn't be long before we start winning again. anyway sorry guys if i seem like a broken record repeating the same thing but it hurts to see how our team is now.

feel free to comment

gooner mark

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He allows Wenger a free reign & it is Wenger's decision not to spend big. Arsenal have in excess of £150m in reserves, some say this has increased to well over £200m, plus we have just signed a lucrative commercial deal & have others in the pipeline. Wenger believes the club must run at a profit, being a business & they look for at least a £20m profit per annum. I wish he would change track & invest in the team. The following signings would be difficult, but possible:
Reina £10m, Baines £17m, Fellaini £30m & Huntelaar £6m. We would also need to set aside £10m for an additional tall commanding centre back. Total = £73m. We may be able to sell:
Fabianski £2m, Djourou £5m, Santos £3m, Squilacci £0, Rosicky £5m, Arshavin £3m, Bentner £5m, Chamakh £4m, Denilon £3m, Ramsey £5m = £35m. Making a net, easily affordable, outlay of £38m. Obviuously, we couldnt be assured of making all these purchases, but these are examples of the quality & price we require. With these signings our squad would be:
G: Szczesny, Reina & Martinez
FB: Sagna, Jenkinson, Gibbs & Baines
CB: Merte, Vermaelen, Koscielny & new player
Mid: Arteta, Fellaini, Abu Diaby, Coquelin, Wilshere & Cazorla
Att Mid: Walcott, Oxlade, Gervinho,
For: Giroud, Podolski & Huntelaar.

This type of team, would mean we are able to rotate players, in order to avoid fatigue & injury, without reducing the quality of the team, as we do at present.

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This guy is a billionare and was before he bought our club, he can spend his money on whatever he likes and rightly so.

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All I will say is this - if Man City and Chelsea had not been taken over by billionaires who invested, bare with me - imagine they spend within their means. They're 6th to 10th in the table because they're having a shocking season. They land £30m per year sponsorship deal. Any normal club would do what it could to spend some of that money to sort things out. They'd even borrow against that if they had to. So if Cavani was £30m and they had £15m but they also needed 3 other top signings, they'd borrow what they needed against that guaranteed income, but the players, be thankful the deal came about when it did, and move on.

What do we do?

Bargain bassment.

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I did not say he can't spend money on what he wants. i said if he does care about arsenal like he supposedly does then why don't he pump that kind of money into the team.

gooner mark

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04 Dec 2012 00:07:38
these are the players i would like to see brought in,

cavani £35mill

schweinsteiger £30mill

mario gotze £30 mill

m'vila £15mill

baines £20mill

WE ARE DUE AROUND £300 MILLION IN SPONSORSHIP DEALS OVER THE NEXT 5 YEARS.WE HAVE A LARGE CASH SURPLUS AND BY NEXT SEASON THERE SHOULD BE AROUND £20 MILL KNOCKED OF THE WAGE BILL.

WENGER HAS SAID WE ARE IN A STRONG FINANCIAL POSITION,SO PROVE IT!!

NO MORE LIES

NO MORE PROMISES

JUST ACTION

CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE

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04 Dec 2012 07:35:00
Charlie,

Come on man that's just crazy, put ourselves in with a chance of winning the EPL and the CL and having a real team, no way, that's simply to much forward thinking and common sense. A team that can compete, hell no.
I know the board love the club and will do anything to put us back where we belong but that just might be over 100 million more than they love it.

Exactly who we should be out there buying ffs.

Stoner

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04 Dec 2012 08:05:23
One more thing, you can bet that in this game of catch up we now need to play, that players of that quality let alone cost aren't even in their thoughts.

Stoner

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Stoner it goes a lot further than just been able to afford these players.

imagine the sponsorship deal that would flood in from africa and asia.
i think we earned around £6 mill on the asia tour last year and that was bringing the deadwood.
addidas would cream their pants with likes of mario,lucas,bastian at the club.what club do they have in england with quality german players?

the thing is for me if you look at cesc when he was coming through the ranks he was surrounded by players like db10,henry,vierra,campbell the class helped his career.what players does the ox,eisfeld,jack,gibbs have around them?we are putting too much pressure on the youth at the club and this is why we get too many injury's.

what is the point in advertising these big sponsorship deal if that money is never going to be spent.did you know the emirates has suppose to have released £75mill up front and i am sure if addidas is the next shirt maker they would do the same if there was a quality german contingent coming to the club.

stoner i dont know if you go to games but if you do i wanted to ask you and every 1 else a question.WHEN I GO TO GAMES AND WE HAVE A BLINDING GAME AND THE GROUND IS BUZZING HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW BUSY THE ARMOURY SHOP IS AFTER THE GAME EVERY 1 IS IN THE MOOD TO SPEND,THE LAST COUPLE OF SEASONS I HAVE NOTICED ITS EASY TO WALK STRAIGHT INTO THE SHOP,HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE CLUB LOOSE OUT ON BECAUSE OF THEIR PERFORMANCES ON THE PITCH?

WE HAVE PLAYED THE POOR CLUB FOR TOO LONG NOW ITS TIME TOO SPEND AND THE MONEY IS THERE.

THERE IS NO REASON WHY WE CANT GO OUT AND GET THOSE PLAYERS,THERE IS 3 OF THOSE PLAYERS THAT WOULD MOVE IN JANUARY IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT AND WE COULD GET THE 2 GERMANS IN THE SUMMER BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE DUE TO THE CL.

champagne charlie

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Whilst it would be crazy to go spending close to 100m in any transfer window, when you look at our situation it really doesn't seem that stupid - IF the club spends in the areas we need. It won't, but it should. Of course you have to make do but we have a small fortune sitting there.

Guess what though - we will NOT finish top 4 this season. What do you think will cover the losses in revenue? The league position revenue deficit of something like 10-20m depending on where we finish, the loss of champs league revenue next summer? That's right - that sponsorship money.


The club would rather throw the money away making up losses and have no players to show for it, than spend the money on ASSETS and try and prevent those losses occurring in the first place. Like I said the other day, BACKWARDS.

Metal Gooner

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