Arsenal Banter Archive July 04 2013

04 Jul 2013 18:21:13
Question EDs, which "reply to this post" are we supposed to click? The one above, in the same box, or the one below in a different box. Very confusing!

WG

{Ed033's Note - There aren't any boxes, we have horizontal rules that separate the replies. Our reply buttons are at the bottom of a thread.

Click the one that's just below the horizontal line.

G95

Look at the top post if there is a reply button above it then I've been doing it wrong.

04 Jul 2013 22:29:36
Hello there, Man United fan here & come in peace. Would like to ask you if you would still want Rooney even though it looks like you have got Higuian, would they be your ideal front two or would you pair someone else with Higuian. I personally am torn on Rooney because on one hand he can be brilliant, then as we saw last season he just looks overweight, unfit & just not interested. To be honest the minute somebody else steals his limelight ( rvp last season-ouch, & Ronaldo a couple of years ago) out comes the dummy & he wants a move. Last season he scored 12 goals, while Hernandez scored 18 in about a third of the gametime. MIDDLETON RED.

Would prefer Jovetic in a more supporting role, although I think we have players capable of filling that position already.

Good player but do not think we are interested could be agents at it again

When Rooney moves and becomes no 1 again I believe he will come good again bou it won't be for our club because your lot bent over and got royally f××ked with his wages. And only about 3 / 4 clubs worldwide stupid enough to pay that sort of wage

I'd take Rooney any day of the week. And I personally think that Wenger can sort his 'issues' out. I think that fergie couldn't be bothered last season because he knew he was leaving. So in the long term I think AW could sort him out

04 Jul 2013 20:02:11
Why is Hig getting a 3 rather than 5 year contract?

Seems strange

SY4

So if he sets the world alight he can demand a huge pay rise or go play for someone else and kick ass for them without much hassel
AG

He isn't. The payment terms for the transfer fee is spread over 3 years. It was just misinformation.

He will sign a 4 or 5 year deal.

Yes, that's a real concern we were discussing this today. A good new player should at least come with 5 years term. In this case we will have to start worrying about tying him to another deal next season. This sounds really stupid but may be the board thinks Sanogo will step up next season and they can sell higuain and make up the money spent on him :). how pessimistic the board has made us!

SM

It's funny though because if he flops you'll all be complaining tht he's on 100k plus a week and still on the wage bill

If he flops in premiership which he won't, his value would still exceed our purchase price. That will only fall every year into a short contract.
I thought we were paying one lump sum?

SY4

I think the 3 year deal sounds like B. S

pay a club record and sign him for 3 years?

if wenger is spending his dear money, he knows this is the player. and we all know how big a player Higuain is.

Give this guys gametime and he will score 20+ goals a season. his stats are astonishing, considering his gametime.

the only players better than him in the out and out striker dept is Ibra, falcao and cavani. he's better than suarez and rvp. so that's all I need to convince me.

04 Jul 2013 19:49:24
Sid Lowe in the Guardian confirming Higuain deal. That's good enough for me.

AndyLad.

04 Jul 2013 18:58:15
Higuain has flown from Miami to Spain where he will await the call to fly to London. Could be as early as tomorrow. 3 year deal for 117,000 euros per week. all to be found in Marca (English). Km

04 Jul 2013 18:44:00
This was my post on the 1st July. 01 Jul 2013 23:08:46
Higuain will sign this week. Keep the abuse levels low please:)

Now Higuain likely to sign tonight, unveiled tomorrow.

I will take that lucky, lucky bow:)

You did indeed baggins

well done

malaga gooner

And you think it was such a genius observation/ statement

No, your right he has not been in the news on a daily basis has he, oh wait

Shaneyd

Wow! You broke this story! Congrats!

Lol - actually this was an educated guess - the Rooney one I was pretty early on but got fried by posters. I was told he was keen to play with the english lads. Anyway, Higuain for me is the best news possible. With Pod and Giroud now in second season, Carzola too, Wilshere fit, Ox ready and Walcott fit, one more 1st team offensive player and a DM and a CD cover and we'll have a shot at some silver. Happy days

If he uses same airline as our club then he probably won't actually sign til at least next week and you will be blowing your own trumpet for nothing

04 Jul 2013 18:42:02
Higuain/Walcott to be the Henry/Anelka Arsene dreamed of pairing all those years ago

04 Jul 2013 18:25:50
Any news on whether we will go back for Bender Eds? Does this mean Fellaini is not a target?

04 Jul 2013 17:39:33
Suarez isn't coming to Arsenal. If he's going to leave, he will go to Madrid.

Why they've suspended betting, I don't know. For all we know some rich bored person made the bet just to cause commotion.

Bottom line, we will not be getting Suarez. We may as well get Balotelli. Talented yet stupid. I mean seriously who bites a player. twice. Why not pack an apple in your bag before the game, eat it at half time.

Plus Liverpool won't sell him cheap, especially to us.

I just don't see any reason to believe this 'rumour'.

Nick.

I just believe its a ploy from liverpool to try get more money from madrid

col

If Suarez goes it will be to bayern munich as his agent is pep, s brother may have his faults but is class and would have him anytime but just can't see it

04 Jul 2013 17:01:36
Just a thot IF the rooney deal happend, I don't think it would be a bad thing, he always prolific before world cup euros etc.

04 Jul 2013 16:46:10
afternoon every 1 still buzzing about the hig.

cant understand what's happening with the forward line.

my BBQ is saying jovetic is still a go.

malaga gooner

I can see this having teething problems

Bergkamp wonderland

04 Jul 2013 16:31:58
A promising start to his arsenal career breaking into the first team then a horrific leg break slowed his progression almost a year out comes back and scores against man united to win the game then after that struggles to find form the season after and this season played out of position numerous times heavily criticised by us fans didn't let it get him down and then plays a massive part in us finishing above spurs and getting us champo league football if anyone deserved the nickname RAMBO it's him!


SM1996

04 Jul 2013 19:38:02
Long time no Ramsey posts :)

04 Jul 2013 22:32:32
Lay off the guy, he only says what his source tells him. And what's wrong with a little optimism

Detroit Gooner

I think he has the potential to be a very good player for us, he is still young and is coming back from a bad injury. at the end of the season his performances were impressive and he looked like he was finding form. Hopefully that will continue into the new season.

DJ

04 Jul 2013 16:25:07
Wenger has snapped the hig up but he is in for 1 more.
Jovitic is the next player as everybody has cooled there intrest wenger is now ready to offer 22 mil

04 Jul 2013 16:04:59
Higuain al arsenal confirmado source from argentina news called confirmado, which reads,

Argentine striker Gonzalo Higuain agreed joining Arsenal in England and as it was his will leave Real Madrid and the League of Spain, moving to play in the Premier League.
please check for yourselves and see.

04 Jul 2013 15:54:40
Gonzalo Higuaín set to complete £23m move to Arsenal from Real Madrid

• Striker to sign three-year deal worth £100,000 a week
• Argentine to fly to London to undergo a medical


The Guardian reporting

arsenal

04 Jul 2013 15:26:34
weanger you should have to sign worldclassic player to archiev epl champion

04 Jul 2013 14:49:14
What does everyone think should happen with regards to the right back situation next season? Firstly, should Sagna stay or be sold? And if he does stay, should he be first or second choice? Personally, I would like him to stay for one more season, but as a second string experienced figure, almost like a mentor to Jenko. This is because not only did Sagna's performances start tailing off dramatically last season, but also Jenkinson started to really show how good a prospect he is. It will be tough for Wenger to demote such a loyal servant, but after two seasons I think now is the time to really bring Jenkinson through.

Plus, once Bacary moves on, probably next summer, we have one hell of a talent in Bellerin to play second fiddle to Carl.

04 Jul 2013 14:06:19
Man city about to splash 25mil on Negredo and we getting Higuain for less than that. Just show that Arsenal know when to splash th cash & when not to just 4 the sake of splashing, otherwise we would've turn into Liverpool by now. Arsene really knows players and how to put them together.

Nam-gooner

I agree, it shows how crass man citeh really are. also the paid nearly twice as much for fernandinho as paulhino cost spurs and paulinho keeps him out of the national side. must be a bit of a relief citeh going for negredo and not higuain. should be your player now. good luck with it

dave

One of my best mates is a city fan and a few weeks ago he was posting 'Fernadinho? Who the ffff is Fernadinho? £34m?! Oh my daze what are we like?'

Then he was posting 'Jesus Navas? Who is this guy?'

Today he posted a picture from his phone of the story he read about Negredo and titled it 'who??'

Honestly City are a joke! It's embarrassing having fans who get awkward hearing how much money they spend, and it's embarrassing having fans who haven't even heard of their signings! These again are fairly well-known players even if you only heard the name. How can you be a fan of elite football and not have heard of Shaktar's midfielders and spanish forwards?!

04 Jul 2013 16:07:25
also feelin relieved that they after Negredo and not Higuain. City way of buying players is if he xpansive= he must b good, so let's double the previous offer. Lol

Nam-gooner

04 Jul 2013 13:23:15
Arggghh, ok so there are moments of fear but overall it is still such an exciting window for us! Firstly, we've done pretty well with the 'staff turnover' - we've moved on a whole ruck of kids and players like Eastmond who I'm sure was only still at the club due to his homegrown status.

We've moved on a serious proportion of the unused players - Squillaci, Arshavin, Djourou, Denilson, Mannone gone. That's pretty impressive. I read yesterday that Park's contract will be terminated, makes sense. Who is left? Bendtner will go to some degree, I also read Coquelin trained with Freiburg yesterday, not sure how true that is or if anyone else can confirm it? Still think he should be loaned to a prem club.

There's hardly any deadwood left! Fabianski, surely he'll be leaving too? And Santos. That's pretty well it. We won't sell Diaby.

And you have to look at the targets the media is talking up, as well as the idea that we put, for example, Podolski on £100kpw before he'd kicked a ball for us - surely that indicates a change in stance for us now? I am not saying I think the squad we have at the end of this window will challenge for the league, but I definitely think the changes we make this summer will get us halfway there and along with one or two additions next summer, then we'll look like challengers. It's taken years longer than we hoped probably, but we're getting there at last. Feels good!

Agree. I mentioned in a post after the season ended that the first thing the club neede to do was get rid of the driftwood, as that would indicate we were making space and saving money for wages for incoming players. Thankfully we are nearly through that part of the plan.
Now for the other part. Players brought in to make us compete.
Flybo

Flybo another thought going through my mind is that at no stage has the club indicated it wants to reduce the wage bill - in fact they seem, whilst playing dumb at least, to think that our high wage bill is a positive. In some skewed way I can see what they mean, but they must surely know that a wage bill that high with the lack of star quality we have is surely a mismatch. We've freed up something like £300kpw already. That's about £13m off the wage bill and we haven't sold a single player from the first team squad from last season. That's amazing. We could add 3 £100kpw or 2 £150kpw players to the squad without even increasing our wage bill. That is NICE!

I think we are going to release park chu, then we will sell bendtner, there is santos, and chamakh. all these guys need to go and we can afford fellaini.

It's all coming together Metal :-)
Flybo

Lakerville I think we will see more movement than any of us could have really expected. I think Le Coq will be away be it loan or otherwise. I think Chamakh will be sold, and Gervinho is attracting interest from all over Europe, I think he will leave as well. This is partly why I believe we are talking to united about Nani rather than Rooney. That would be classic Wenger.

'I'll got Lille and come back with Gerv not Hazard! I'll go to Dortmund and come back with, er, Eisfeld!' - media thinks it's Rooney, but is it?

Metal I understand nani may interest most you guys, but most united fans just want him gone.

He is really inconsistent. He is another gervinho. Sell gervinho for 10 and buy nani for 12? no thank you.

rather have gervinho. at least he knows his place is on the bench, rather than nani who is not better than walcott or poldi, and who thinks he is a starter.

he can have one blinding game and 5 stinkers.

Lakerville, I think I am the only person who wants us to sign Nani! Haha. I don't care though. I know the raw talent he possesses and you simply do not get that talent available to you for the price they want usually so it would be a punt well worth taking imo. He's still fairly young, time for him to come good.

04 Jul 2013 12:44:01
Not a rumour but would like to gauge opinions on what we think.

We all agree that AW dwells on transfer but hand on hearts, who do we think we will buy?

GH - Still ongoing and looks like it might go no where
MF - don't want to pay the buy out clause
LB - Germans don't want to do business

We all know we need new players but who do you all think we do?

Well that is certainly the picture the media has reported but as I suggested yesterday it is so easy to report that stuff and have people just believe it - Arsenal fans almost expect that sort of behaviour from the club.

GH - I believe the media doesn't have a clue what is going on. Deep down I believe by now a deal has been agreed but it is concluding the contract negotiations including image rights for the player etc. I am worried that other clubs might come in for him but their targets seemt o be more glamorous.

Fellaini - really beyond caring. So far we've read that we won't agree to meet the clause, and Everton don't want to sell. Then we've read we aren't offering him wages he wants. It all sounds like BS to me. The rejected bid for Lars Bender sounded much more real and if so, Fellaini isn't a target. I have big big doubts about this move happening.

I think if we want Bender we will get him. Failing that, I believe that while the media says we're going for Grenier, we'll make a deal for Gonalons if we can't land Bender.

That's just my spider senses!

Agreed! Fellini is a quality player, behind a lone striker. Was unplayable against utd but don't think he has the mentality for a pure DM role. With £25 mil to play with, surely there must be some drugs or time machine that could bring in claude makelele at his prime! Failing that, it has to be capoue for me!

04 Jul 2013 11:44:06
Wenger should now go 4 Gomzes from munich! They want around £15m! With him and higuian up front with theo and the ox down the wings, that would b great!

I think Giroud is better than Gomez

Trinidad-Gooner

04 Jul 2013 02:54:20
Hey Eds, given the recent clear out re: Djourou, Denilson, etc. are the club looking heavily at doing the same with Park/Chamakh/Santos? Those 3 look impossible to get rid of.

Also, any idea on what the deal was with Park? Why did we sign him and then never play him? If Wenger's eventual autobiography is where I need to look just let me know {Ed027's Note - Don't know why we signed him, probably shirts sales. With 5 first team players already out, I expect another 6/7 to go, Santos, Park may have to be loan deals as we will struggle to shift, Chamakh should be on his way back to France, Coquelin is rumoured to be going out on loan to Freiburg, Bendtner is rumoured to be closing in on a permanent switch to Frankfurt. I thought Fabianski would leave, but he could stay as 3rd choice, finally Gervinho is attracting quite a lot of interest and I expect Arsenal to cash in.

04 Jul 2013 11:16:03
yea malaga what happened to last weeks medical for higuain?

dave

Dave this deal and medical was done last week.

who are you going to believe me or the media.

malaga gooner

04 Jul 2013 10:40:07
So tv are revealing that higuain will fly into London this weekend along with his father to complete his move, love it!

Essexgooner

Brilliant news, just got back home for dinner break and switched tv on, and they were talking about it.

04 Jul 2013 10:33:52
Just read that Bendtner's move to Frankfurt is looking increasingly doubtful because of his wage demands. I was just wondering if anybody knew what he is getting paid at the moment at Arsenal?

50k p/w I think

He wears no. 52 for a reason the smug cvnt.

AG

Rumoured to be £52k per week, hence his shirt number.

CECEGUaW

H. its 52k per week and that's why he changed his shirt number from 26 to 52

Reportedly approx £52k pw. This is the problem with Wenger's self-confessed 'Socialist' wage policy. We are stuck with players such as Djourou (now loaned out), Bendtner, Park, Santos & Chamakh, as they are on much higher salaries than most clubs are able to pay.

30-40k a week, far too much!

52k, hence his shirt no.

His shirt number was to sound similar to the USA Stealth Bomber, B52.

Lanz

B52 isn't a stealth bomber. Its a bomber which was commissioned in 1952.

Stealth Bomber = Northrop B2.
B52 is the humungous 8 engined US
bomber. Bendtner should B. off to Germany asap. Gooner Anorak

04 Jul 2013 10:21:57
Why doesn't bendtner just take a pay cut and do one. Do he not realise how rubbish he is and how arsenal fans can't wait to see the back of him? Muppet. Also tv now reporting about higuain being close and tv only report on some thing if there is a legitimate chance :0)

Kent Gooner

Why would he take a pay cut voluntarily?

makes no sense.

noobGooner

Because he has a contract paying him £50k+ a week, when other clubs that want him wouldn't be abke to pay anything like that.

04 Jul 2013 09:28:48
I'll give ye my opinion on what happened Yesterday with luis Suarez odds of joining us falling so dramatically. Pere guardiola Suarez agent lives in Barcelona where the betting started he wants his player to go to Madrid I don't think his brother would want him at bayern they are to well ballenced as club to want a liability like Suarez. So he gets people to put substantial bets on in Barcelona for Suarez to arsenal the odds tumble madrid fear arsenal have lost interest on GH and they finally allow him to talk to arsenal. Rm get 22 mill admit there not getting bale arsenal get GH Madrid use the money to get Suarez and pere guardiola makes a tidy profit on the money used in the bookies to get the ball rolling. Just a taught

Cork City Gooner

In a strange way, this appears believable. Agents are tricky dudes, conceiving and deceitful. I like the idea it was all a ploy, which eventually gets us our man. come on Higgy. join the gunners and get that cannon firing :)

Spot on. you may well be correct in your assesment.

Interesting theory Miss Marpel :-) liked the thinking behind it.
Flybo

Very plausible, but I think it would be illegal if pere as his agent started all this to make a profit.

im not sure what to make of it anymore. it happened with higuain, bookies stopped taking bets and now we are on the verge of signing him.

some of us are overly optimistic that this could be a great summer for us, but if we manage to get suarez and higuain?

i'm ready to pay 5K for a season ticket. if anyone is willing to sell theirs.

I said something very similar to a friend this morning. Sounds plausable to say the least!

The fact the betting took place in Spain got me thinking us here in Ireland and ye in the uk would bet on just about anything but I couldn't understand why there would be bets placed in Barcelona about a Madrid target moving from one English club to another they don't have that gambling culture


Cork City Gooner

The bookies are just drumming up business for themselves.

WG

04 Jul 2013 09:08:00
Did Higuain still have that medical last week Malaga?!

04 jul 2013 09:01:38
happy 4th of july to all american gooners.

malaga gooner

04 Jul 2013 07:54:10
Ed why is higuain only going to be a 3 year deal because another time when someone is going to run down contract to a year

It sounds absurd, as we have to pay approx £20-23m, plus his wages of say £150k per week and run the risk of him departing for nothing after 3 years. Which means in addition to £7.5m per annum in wages, we potentially run the risk of writing off a futher £7m ish a year. Total annual cost of over £14m, makes little sense. I can't imagine we would shell out £20+m, without having a 4/5 year contract, enabling us to obtain a sell on fee.

Id rather have Higuain on 3 year than not at all

player power

noobGooner

04 Jul 2013 08:15:17
Higauins father says that arsenal have been cleared to hold talks with the striker.

Hopefully us gooners will be a happy bunch on the 4-5th

04 Jul 2013 04:22:30
a friend of mine posted a pic of himself with Bacary Sagna today on , he hasn't said what sagna said to him but seems to think now that he is definitely off to Italy

Brad

04 Jul 2013 10:27:39
With Serge Aurier being pictured in an Arsenal shirt I personally reckon Sagna will leave this summer. Although Aurier posted a photo of himself in an Arsenal shirt and I know this could be nothing but why would you post a picture of yourself in a different teams shirt during transfer time?

If Sagna goes he will be sorely missed he has been a goood servant for us and is probably the most consistant RB in the PL over the past decade.

04 Jul 2013 03:09:58
Hi Ed, I know that Wilshere is predominately a central player, but when he came on as a sub against Blackburn in the FA Cup (the one we lost), he played attacking wide left and I thought he was really good. He is getting quicker in pace and is obviously one of our better passers, plus he would help out the left-back in defence. Is it something AW could consider, or is it just another square peg in a round hole?

04 Jul 2013 01:53:12
Higuain transfer looking a bit more positive with the daily mail running quotes from his father that madrid have given him permission to speak to ourselves!

http://tinyurl.com/q645d7j

04 Jul 2013 00:44:54
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