Arsenal Banter Archive July 04 2016

04 Jul 2016 21:10:29
Sorry him bit confused as to who you meant when you said none have dazzled?

04 Jul 2016 22:26:17
I meant none of our central midfield (discounting ozil as you didn't mention him and were talking about competition for spaces) were consistently outstanding this season a la kante (not standing out in Alicante, dags) , or Rambo 2 seasons back. All went through spates of looking good though, and Coq had the biggest impact for me. I'm just hoping this season the increased competition and that they know each other better brings the best out of them all, especially Ramsey and jack.

04 Jul 2016 22:26:17
I meant none of our central midfield (discounting ozil as you didn't mention him and were talking about competition for spaces) were consistently outstanding this season a la kante (not standing out in Alicante, dags) , or Rambo 2 seasons back. All went through spates of looking good though, and Coq had the biggest impact for me. I'm just hoping this season the increased competition and that they know each other better brings the best out of them all, especially Ramsey and jack.

04 Jul 2016 22:34:51
Not sure why this started a new post. Must've accidentally clicked it lol. Interesting i do see what you're saying but I'm
Sure cazorla was impressing pre injury. Hard to use Kante as a Example no one in that role come close to him. One question I'd like to ask you and anyone else as a CM option. Where would you rank wilshere in order of choice. For me you'll have perhaps elneny/ coq one side then on the other one of cazorla Rambo Xhaka wilshere. For me he's my 4th choice there. It's a difficult one he needs game time but for me no where near good enough atm.

04 Jul 2016 22:56:27
On his England form if Ospina isn't available to play CM and Gilberto can't be talked into a come back Jacks a good option, people keep banging on about our English contingent but they'll all ify at best.
This 8 from 25 home grown rule needs looking at because it's back fired badly as English players don't need to be as good as those from abroad, their there through good fortune of where they were born not ability.

04 Jul 2016 23:13:18
Agree gunner 62 with the home contingent needing looking at. You also forgot to mention the added 10-20 million on their price tag.

04 Jul 2016 23:38:22
Your bang on G62, why strive to be the best when you can get in the best teams in the league, sit on the bench and get paid a whack just for being homegrown.

It shows that you hardly ever see English players heading abroad because there's plenty of the same quality in there own leagues.

They need to change something but at the moment it's giving them no drive to be the best they can be, going the other way. well teams would just buy more from abroad you would think and we would still be no better.

04 Jul 2016 23:39:16
I guess it depends on who we play. If all fit, I'd start with:

Defensive:
Danny
Campbell - Ozil - Alexis
Xhaka - Rambo

Campbell for his desire and work rate. danny for the additional chasing down he does.
Coq off the bench for Rambo to see out, or elneny if we could still do with a bit of extra attack
Jack for more creativity

Attacking:
Olly
Alexis - Ozil - The Ox
Cazorla - Xhaka

Olly to start, Danny or theo off the bench for additional energy.
I know many doubt the ox, but if we keep him, and give him a run I think he'll come good. He's direct and actually shoots when he sees the goal :) again, Theo or iwobi off the bench. Maybe iwobi from his recent form.
Rambo for cazorla if we need more box to box,
Jack if need extra supply going forward or runs through the middle
Elneny/ coq to see out.
That said, jack worked hard tracking back in some england games and looked calm, just had some awful touches too, but so did most of the squad.

I'd then review it depending on form.

05 Jul 2016 08:52:31
Xhaka has not kicked a single ball for us. I do not think he will walk into the starting 11 just like that. Coq and Elneny have been good enough IMO. Xhaka has to earn his place in the team.

05 Jul 2016 13:05:57
Jim,
I like your set up but would have Iwobi on the wing and would never start the Ox.

04 Jul 2016 16:32:30
Ed002, my posts were deleted yesterday, understand that, I know you're busy and sick of the same questions, apologies!

{Ed002's Note - No problem.}

04 Jul 2016 14:54:13
Robson-Kanu anyone lol? He's free right now and looks a proper threat in that Wales lineup!
I must admit that although I am English I have been secretly rooting for Wales, desire and commitment has run through that team from day 1. Then I watched England against Russia and saw the complete opposite, every game they never convinced me they could go far but Wales have just got better and better. Fantastic to watch.

04 Jul 2016 15:29:06
I said the same thing on the spurs page, he has been one of the stand out players at the euros and is available for free. He is strong has pace and good in the air, he will be the bargain of the summer.

04 Jul 2016 16:07:17
Healey of Northern Ireland springs to mind lads.

04 Jul 2016 15:50:45
One goal does not a johan cruyff make.

04 Jul 2016 19:06:21
If he was that good he wouldn't be out of contract

One hit wonder

Move on.

04 Jul 2016 20:23:30
24 goals in 9 years for reading.

04 Jul 2016 14:08:44
Mark, a reply to your question.
Morata is a bit like Fernando Torres (of Liverpool and Atletico) but is he physically strong to match the demands of PL? I'm sure he'll build up fitness.
Lacazette reminds me of Darren Bent in a little way. Both would guarantee more goals.
However I have preference for Morata over Lacazette.
That said the club should up efforts in getting a deal over the line before it's late. Most teams would have to bring in replacements if they are to sell their top players. So should we wait till the last minute in an attempt to sign a player, we may lose out due the replacement stuff.
Signing a player as early as possible is a plus for us as the players tend to part-take in preseason and then have the managers draw a game plan around him.
Though we signed Ozil in the last hours of the window, Madrid had their replacement so they cut him loose. Plus last minute deals could turn out to be pricy.
#theearlierthebetter.

04 Jul 2016 11:44:56
Hi eds do you know of any interest in Subotic from Arsenal?

{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

04 Jul 2016 08:18:36
Eds.
Do you think Arsenal will sell Wilshire?
I think he has been a drain on our resources injuries or otherwise.
He has missed around 170 games at Arsenal (how many seasons is that combined ) you can't say that he has played the rest as he may have only had minutes in a lot of the remainder.
I've been to France twice for these Euros and seen the England team train I think along with others that he is basically mediocre to say the least.
I don't get this obsession with holding on to him. What is it all about .
He's off field antics when he is supposed. to be injured or not leaves a lot to be desired too. It's like Arsenal are treating like some sort of demi-God . Why?

{Ed001's Note - for me he would be the first out of the door, he is lazy, lives a poor lifestyle, has attitude problems, always injured due to his lifestyle choices and is not a particularly good player, but Arsene loves him. It is highly unlikely he will go anywhere yet.

The fans mostly love him because he talks about his love for the club and does a lot of good social media stuff, PR work, to make up for his idiotic choices. They forget about the lack of application because he tweets the right things.}

04 Jul 2016 09:46:14
Well he's definitely done the number on me ed. it's hard to disagree with your break down but I do like the lad.

04 Jul 2016 11:13:00
Absolutely spot on Ed.
Nothing more to add really.

04 Jul 2016 11:35:14
I can't argue with the eds as i don't know anything about the player's training régimes, or much other than football on thr field and what i see. I trust aw would act appropriately regarding player unprofessionalism, and media stuff about him seems disproportionate, I. e. smoking is not having a bar brawl.

I like him as he seems incredibly talented, versatile, passionate, homegrown and could be a real leader. I've always thought he gets injured so much because he runs with the ball so close to him, draws tackles and moves the ball last minute getting knocks as a result, but is direct, runs through the middle, and has a great pass.

As a layperson, I want him to stay, and hope he becomes great.

Same for Rambo, Gibbs, coq, chambers, ox, iwobi. I'd rather they all get support and stay and produce something great.

04 Jul 2016 15:12:17
Personally I think his heavy touch when running causes so many injuries. I'd love him to reach his potential but when he plays Cm where we have Rambo cazorla elneny coq Xhaka anyone I'm forgetting? Can't see him pushing any of them out. Even playing behind the striker we've got ozil Rambo cazorla who can all play there.

04 Jul 2016 18:03:54
I kind of agree that at the minuts he wouldn't push any out, but none have really dazzled, apart from coq doing a great job compared to what we were dping befofe and elneny looking full of energy and desire and promising.

We all demand, and manager's would like strength in depth - for form, multiple competitions and injuries.

That group looks pretty great to me, and the competition will hopefully push them all to take their chances and improve. Those that do, great for us and them. We find our real gems. That's what I hope for all of them. Those that don't though, they are doing the selection process themselves. I just don't know how long is reasonable to give them a chance, and for that i trust in aw and the staff, but I'd like to keep them all if possible.

Im not sure how long cazorlas contract is for, but I'm guessing it won't be renewed to allow others to come through, and if all do pretty well aw may allow one to leave for good money if the others also showing good form?

All in all, I'm really hopeful with the midfield! Just intrigued what AFC pull out of the bag before close of window and who they will play preseason. Chambers get a look in? Gnabry?

05 Jul 2016 05:27:50
Ed01.
Thank you mate!
i have never understood this obsession with keeping him.
All this crap I read about him reaching his potential?
What potential?! I thought you had to be playing to reach potential?! Maybe I missed a trick somewhere.
Let's get real when he is playing what does he actually
do? .
The biggest shame for me is that the club have wasted so much money on him and for what?
Maybe he would have been better off getting paid as Arsenals PR man as he does a blinding job on himself.
He certainly isn't a premiership player in my view.
Just shows you how desperate England are too.

{Ed001's Note - England weren't desperate, they just had a crap manager. Otherwise the far superior Drinkwater would not have been sat at home while a useless Rooney offered nothing in midfield and an unfit Wilshire was there in the squad.}

04 Jul 2016 07:43:10
Eds.
There are 3 players that have caught my eye in these Euros.
Ramsey Wales
Giroud France
Ozil Germany
What's the chances of us signing any one of these and getting shot of their namesakes that we have at present at Arsenal. Thanks.
😂.

{Ed001's Note - sadly I think you are out of luck mate. You are stuck with the namesakes....}

04 Jul 2016 07:56:06
We just don't have any luck in the transfer market do we?

04 Jul 2016 22:57:50
Also why we sign that guy you know the one who was player of the copa America tournament think his name is Alexis Sanchez he would be an outstanding signing but he be to expensive for us as we don't spend money.

04 Jul 2016 03:32:29
How about Icardi and Koke.

04 Jul 2016 07:27:41
And a slice of lemon? :-)

04 Jul 2016 20:37:25
hahaha, I see what you did there. That was almost funny Dags, keep it up we may make a joker of you yet.