Arsenal Banter Archive March 04 2018

04 Mar 2018 20:58:31
I know I keep mentioning the players we let go but I think players like Syzney, Ox, Giroud, Gabriel, Coq would have made a difference and before everyone says they were crap at least we were better with them and winning more that we are with current crap!!

04 Mar 2018 21:38:29
I don't think Le Coq was any worse than Xhaka in fact I think he was twice as good as was Ox too at least. Gabriel was 3 x the players Mustafi is and Giroud always gave a shift but was never a lone striker ready to latch onto a slick through ball.
Are we any better without them absolutely not, were we good enough with them it's an absolute no again.
We've just gone from really bad to even worse in their absence.

04 Mar 2018 22:14:57
I honestly get what you guys are saying. But those players are not and will never be good enough for arsenal. I keep Gabriel mentioned yet he was painfully shaky at the back. I really hope we buy a lot better soon.

04 Mar 2018 23:15:17
I'm not sure it's just buying better 16 mate i think it's also about getting better out of the players we buy, was Mustafi really that bad when he arrived? He's had a habit of stopping and appealing to the officials rather than trying to stop a goal himself since day one but was he really this bad when we paid 38 million for him? Same for Xhaka too was he always awful or has he simply become awful at Arsenal?
We can but who we want but wants the point of paying a fortune for players to ruin? We may as well buy cheap players.
Until Arsene goes I'd say all spending is a waste of money.

05 Mar 2018 09:49:04
That is very true 62. It is odd how everyone keeps underperforming here. I kept telling my friend that lacazette isn't as bad as he is coming off. I'm sure it's lack of confidence and lack of service. Now look at aubameyang he is going down the same path lacazette went down. We really do need help and quickly.

05 Mar 2018 12:35:18
I remember reading an article before city brought ottamendi when it was looking like he was going to Utd saying that mustafi was the better partner in the valencia defence, so I was really excited when we got him! That didn't turn out to be true though! 😂 I was much less excited about xhaka who was a liability before he came always getting sent off! I remember I was a massive critic of giroud as our main striker a few seasons back and we were never going to win the league with him, but we did always finish top 4, he knitted the team together a lot better. benching him and putting Sanchez up front seemed to be when it all went wrong, but probably more down to iwobi and welbeck being Sanchez replacements! If only we had a chance to stick with Sanchez out wide with laca or auba up front!

05 Mar 2018 12:35:20
It's a shame 16 mate but time has been catching up with Arsene for many years now and each season that passes we get a little worse and a little less competitive than the season before.
Its already a long way back for us but if we let Arsene see out this contract we are simply settings ourselves an even bigger mountain to climb than the one we already face, as we stand I reckon we are the right man and 2-4 seasons away from being in the mix again but with another 12 months of Arsene calling the shots we can add another couple of seasons to that at least.

04 Mar 2018 19:05:17
As 62 has said we are the New Newcastle, we have become a sleeping giant .

Anyone tell me why the French bloke sits down for 90 minutes, the man is an arrogant big headed know it all . Please don't anyone tell me what a good job
he’s done, those days are gone .

04 Mar 2018 19:15:28
Banbury and so are those people. Gone.

04 Mar 2018 19:24:24
That's what gets me more than anything Banbury . the arrogance of the man is unbelievable. No apologies ever to the fans espically the fans who travel away. There's no passion from him, the only time he shows any passion is when about some referee decision or not enough time, has been added. He honestly thinks he can turn this around he is one deluded arrogant man.

04 Mar 2018 19:38:44
True. Where are all the AKB's.

I remember around 7 years ago on here, there was only around 3 of us that were campaigning for wenger out.

Even SY4 has conceded his time is up.

04 Mar 2018 19:44:31
Agree on all the above totally

BUT the blame now is with the fans I’m afraid, the only way Wenger will be forced out is if the stadium is half empty each week, as long as fans turn up he’s in a job.

04 Mar 2018 19:48:59
'MOST successful Gooner manager ever' his time may be up but show a little respect. even as a rival fan, I'm embarressed by what some of you so called fans are posting.

call yourself fans, try going through what Citeh has over the years.

04 Mar 2018 19:51:38
Shankly Paisley Fergie all knew when to go and will always be remembered as winners and great managers.
The longer Arsene goes on the more he will remembered as the man who ruined his own reputation by going on too long.
He will probably need to be sacked eventually which is a shame but what alternative is there if he refuses to accept how things really are.

04 Mar 2018 20:18:56
North East until VERY recently city didn’t know what success was, they could hardly moan, they won the league cup in ‘76 thanks to Tueart that’s their lot

You can’t compare.

04 Mar 2018 20:28:02
I have and can. Citeh have been all through the league's and still sold out most weeks, true supporters.

the majority of you lot on here think you have some good given right to success. then p and moan when you don't. call yourself fans more like glory hunters.

above all that the majority post on here or on the live chat when the game is on? so clearly armchair fans.

In Wenger we trust. 2 players away. PEA the saviour blah blah blah.

We're nearly at St Arsenh ole Day. 😉.

04 Mar 2018 20:31:00
Ed, why do you let that chao post on here.

{Ed002's Note - I would not have - but antagonistic and ill-informed posts seem to be the order of the day.}

04 Mar 2018 20:41:17
They sell out because there aren’t many clubs in that region and as we know most red fans travel to home games

No given right to anything I’m one of the few that saw J Rimmer, A Ball, G Armstrong etc I’ve seen many mediocre years .

It’s been a kick in the teeth for Arsenal fans who were told they’d be a few tough years as we paid off the stadium, I guess we underestimated the meaning of “few”.

Depends on your version of Armchair fan. if you mean never go then yes I take your point . I for one only go to away games when work and family commitments allow . I get about 8-10 games a season, granted doesn’t make a true follower but I’ve had many seasons when I’ve fitted in 20+ games .

04 Mar 2018 21:13:39
Banners it's not about selling out, Citeh went up and down the league's for years, yet their fans stayed loyal and I'm merely suggesting that your lot currently have a manager that is the most sucsessful in your history, who has won you trophies. 2 years out of 21 he has not qualified for the champions league and you fans are in disarray. seriously. and my dig at armchair fans wasn't at you.

Malaga, this is a banter site mate, get with it fella.

05 Mar 2018 00:04:21
That loyal City fan base you talk of NES was a much smaller bunch than who support them today, and I remember Maine Road which was certainly not a sell out very often. Anyway, the reason Arsenal fans are rightly upset is that our expectations are much higher than yours, and rightly so, bacause we are a big club, who has won the Premiership and who sit on the top table of European football, despite our current dip, and so not qualifying for the CL two years in a row is not good enough.

05 Mar 2018 07:24:52
Qualifying each year yet only reaching the final once in 20 years and still failing. yea that's really deserving of sitting at that top table. delutional

my point with Citeh is that their fans supported them full stop what ever league they went in. you lot speak of not cheering goals and staying away from games after 2 years of what you claim is your most successful manager.

05 Mar 2018 21:47:04
NES your the delusional one if you think we are not part of the European elite. Let's get one thing straight, should there be any breakaway Euro league we will be in it, because we're the six biggest club in the world, and we have been successful despite what you like to think. Spurs on the other hand won't be invited, because your not a big team, and you have no history in either the CL or premiership. In other words in recent history, your current form is also a blip, and you will revert back to being a mid table team, whereas we will revert back to a top 4 team. Shame for you is that you have had to wait over 55 years to get a really decent team to finally challenge top honours, but in this short window before you revert to type, you have timed it just when the oligarchs are splashing the cash, so you still won't win anything, crying shame!

04 Mar 2018 18:18:10
She wore a yellow ribbon made a great point that in this bad period not one board member was present at today's game. Tells a story doesn't it.

04 Mar 2018 16:36:51
Fact, we are no longer a big club anymore. Big clubs take big decisions and if any of the board members could have actually found time today to actually attend the game, they might have seen how bad they have let it become. Then again you have to understand football to see that anyway. We are witnessing our owners turning us into a mid table also ran. The shambles just keeps going on and there is no concern at all by the people who run this club. They don't care about the standards that used to be set at this club. If they did they would have gone today and they would have reacted. How low is wenger going to be allowed to drag this club down?

04 Mar 2018 16:44:58
the biggest prob this club has is the people that run it, none of stans other teams are any good either, i get the wenger out part his time has come, and a more modern thinker needs to come in, but the fans should put in just as much effort trying to get stan out of this club also, if they don't we will be on a downward spiral for the next 20 years.

04 Mar 2018 17:12:21
Could it be an opportunity for Alisher to come back in with another offer.

04 Mar 2018 17:12:37
We don't act like a big club and don't have a team that reflects the size of our club but Arsenal are still a big club, much like Newcastle and Everton now, sleeping giants.

04 Mar 2018 17:14:10
Ricky I have been banging that drum for a while - the board is happy not investing and staying in Europe. To compete it would take huge investment with no guarantee in return
They gambled too long and now it’s Europa league and top 6.

04 Mar 2018 17:14:35
Steve, not long now mate and the tyrant will be gone

Happy days.

04 Mar 2018 17:20:18
Your most successful manager a tyrant. classy.

04 Mar 2018 17:25:52
Whose your most successful manager Nes? Steve Birkenshaw at a guess.

04 Mar 2018 17:33:16
SY 4

Top 6 . soon be top 7 mate.

04 Mar 2018 17:38:16
62 don't be so bitter fella your in transition. 🤣

that's 3 defeats on the trot. keep up the run.

04 Mar 2018 17:42:01
Gunner we have a top stadium, that doesn't make you a big club. Your board decide that. Big clubs don't accept failure. Big clubs don't let standards drop without action. Our board probably don't even know about our defeats this year. They aren't interested in football.

04 Mar 2018 17:50:21
Steve r your right, you need to go down to the championship and start again, but still keep wenger.

04 Mar 2018 18:03:28
Leahy. naughty. very naughty.

04 Mar 2018 18:06:55
Big clubs don't get maureen because they missed out on the best manager in the league. 12 we both have anti football managers.

04 Mar 2018 18:11:24
I think fan base and stadium ultimately decides how big a club is Steve, obviously it's not brilliant to have a million fans and a 20, capacity stadium or A 100,000 seater stadium with 50 fans.
Sleeping giant to me means you have the inferstructure you just lack the right personel.
Can a excellent manager be the best without the most money? Yes
Can a rich club be successful without an excellent manager? No.
The manager comes first then the club has to back him all they can.

04 Mar 2018 18:37:59
Gunner the fact wenger is still our manager after all the embarrassing performances, proves our board don't know and probably don't care, that we aren't a big team. We was but its been systematically undone by a non footballing board and a past it manager. I will say it again, big clubs take action before its terminal.

04 Mar 2018 18:51:53
62 - If Pep could only have a 200m SQUAD - would he win the league against a 800m squad on a regular basis. Not a chance
Money makes a huge difference and changes how you buy players plus invest to improve or replace.
Money is not a guarantee but look who’s won the league over the past 15 years and tell me money had nothing to do with it. Leave the one year anomolly of Leicester our if it.
If money meant nothing - why are Jose and Peo at the richest clubs and always have been for the past 10 years.
I know you said the “most” money but you need a lot and history supports that in UK, Spain and Germany.

04 Mar 2018 19:02:21
only usmanov can save us. been that way since 2008.

04 Mar 2018 19:17:25
There is no reason for kronk to sell to usminov.

04 Mar 2018 20:01:10
SY mate what did all those premier league winners have in common beside Money Fergie Mancini Ancelotte Mourinho Pep all did what Mark Hughes Avb Moyse Lvg and others couldn't.
Top teams employ top management and if they get that bit wrong they accept their mistake in their opointment they rectify it.

04 Mar 2018 20:52:43
lfc fan under a white flag.

Wenger created the best team I've seen in the English league bar none.

It's truly sad to see that your board has allowed him to whittle away at his legacy on a shoe string whilst becoming the most asset rich club in the Prem.

Wenger changed the game in the UK with innovative training, diet and god knows what else.

His time was up a good few years ago, but please respect what he achieved.

04 Mar 2018 20:53:13
Gunner even when you spend money you have to avoid the xhakas and mustaffis of this world.

04 Mar 2018 15:32:45
Wenger is unlikely to resign, so the board have to act and sack him. Absolutely dreadful performance.
Bring Henry in until the end of the season. Then try and get Simeone.

04 Mar 2018 15:38:26
Simneone is like going from one extreme to the other. I can see the attraction but he doesn't do it for me, not when there are more refined options like Loew and Ancelotti.

04 Mar 2018 15:47:19
Loew has done an mating job as a national manager, but he hasn't managed a club side for ages and he wasnt that successful. Ancelloti is a decent shout, but probably past his best, although I wouldn't be upset if he was chosen to replace Wenger. Brendan Rodgers is another decent shout, he did well with Liverpool and has matured as a manager.

04 Mar 2018 15:55:56
Don’t bring Henry in, it won’t work.

04 Mar 2018 16:14:26
i think simeone would probably be the safest bet for being able to get us to compete, as we are often told our main problem is we don't have the money to compete, atleti are regularly there or there abouts despite having a massive disparity in spending power to Barcelona and real. however it might soon be a downer to watch, because his footballs effective, but not really entertaining and that's what i used to love about arsenal that we were really good to watch and at the minute i would much rather us win regularly no matter how we play. but i imagine he would have to spend pretty big to get players that would play the way he wants them. i can't see many of that team being able to transform from the casual football they play to the life or death body on the line football he demands! personally i would like sarri or jardim i think their brand of football suits us more and they are also managing to compete against teams with a much higher budget.

04 Mar 2018 16:14:53
Take the point about Loew. At 58 Ancelotti may still have something to prove. I like Brendan Rogers, and I suspect he certainly has something to prove after Liverpool and the inherent limitations of the SPL. I'm just looking forward to a change tbh. ;)

04 Mar 2018 16:23:40
I would not mind trying to poach Rafa Benitez from Newcastle A good record and plenty of prem experience. Or a younger guy like Eddie Howe with fresh ideas. Anybody apart from Alladyce or Pardew will do.

04 Mar 2018 14:06:14
This team have reached an all time low. Wenger and bould motionless on bench. Its embarrassing.

04 Mar 2018 14:16:40
We are simply going through the motions as an entire club, players fans everyone.
No one really expects anything much from anyone else, the players don't expect the fans to be happy and the fans have given up on the team and everyone's given up on Arsene.
How much longer can it go on is the only question left.

04 Mar 2018 14:20:51
I find it amusing now, I no longer get upset as I expect nothing.

04 Mar 2018 14:26:30
Burnley could finish above us.

04 Mar 2018 14:34:02
Sad but true Banbury mate, very few people left who feel passionately about Arsenal right now mate.
The longer it goes on the more people will drift away and getting everyone to come back will only get more difficult the longer it goes on.

04 Mar 2018 14:42:19
Xhaka is worth every bit of his £30 mill eh?

If I was Jack W I would be off.

04 Mar 2018 14:58:58
Is Chambers the best option we have.

04 Mar 2018 15:08:20
Is Chambers any worse than Mustafi? ' Xhaka? Iwobi or several others.

04 Mar 2018 15:10:58
They don’t play RB though that was my point.

04 Mar 2018 15:18:16
True, but where exactly do they play :-)

04 Mar 2018 15:28:39
Are there any supporters left backing Wenger.

04 Mar 2018 15:53:57
It is clear a lot of the players are no longer playing for Wenger and there are no leaders on the pitch that would actually beleive and support Wenger to translate his message on the pitch. Defensivly we have been a weak mess for many a season now and this has often been covered up by our attacking threat but even our attacks have been toothless of late. How can a team with such creative talent create so few chances even against a side that was a championship club last season. Yes Confidence is low at the moment but the true class players with the right mentality always find a way of turning things around. We need a change of manager and coaches with a whole new philosphy and get rid of the underperformaers. There needs to be more accountability from top to bottom.

04 Mar 2018 09:51:18
Happy Sunday and a pick me up quote for us all from Merson

"This is a four-year project now, a four-year project and about £500m to get anywhere near back to where they were.

"You're going to get a Man United situation when Sir Alex Ferguson left.

"The next manager will come in, it won't work out, they'll get rid of him within a year. Then another manager will come in.

"Things can't get any worse to be honest. They're sixth and that's where they're going to be

Well that motivated me. COYG!

I don't disagree with the above except that I think we are more than 500m away.

04 Mar 2018 10:15:21
Reading a quote from Wenger let me tell you all, he isn’t leaving the club anytime soon.

04 Mar 2018 10:27:56
Not by chioce Banbury I agree but there has to be a limit to how long and how far even Arsene can be indulged.
I think everyone's patience is running out now mate, i'd anyone anywhere excited about next season under Arsene? There has to be a limit mate and I think we're very very close to that limit being exceeded now.

04 Mar 2018 10:46:06
I think it will take time SY but what do I or Pual Merson know about the future? We could do a Ranieri and Leicester with a new manager bringing in next seasons a kante Mahrez and Vardy.
No body knows how things will pan out but what is for pretty much certain is if you keep doing the same thing that's failed over and over again it is very highly likely that you will continue to get exactly the same unwanted result.

04 Mar 2018 11:29:11
Exactly G62. What’s Merson saying we do give up! Wengers not good enough and a new manager is pointless? we have made 2 good appointments behind the scenes! Surely we’re at the bottom and Fam only go up. A good run is vital if not in vain. We need to get some sort of fluidity and confidence going into the summer.

04 Mar 2018 11:34:13
treble, 40/ 1 for Brighton, City and Palace to win at home. well worth it.

double only 5/ 1 for Brighton and City 😃.

04 Mar 2018 11:48:40
62 - I agree and it will be exciting to see the evolution of the team. A mix of youth, new signings and addressing issues

Need a different board strategy also plus funds.

04 Mar 2018 12:00:11
It will get better lads and we will see improvement if not competiveness quite quickly once we get a new manager.
No other manager is going to let our players pick and chose if they can be bothered on each given match day, yet continue to pick them and award them new deals.
If accountability comes back in fashion at Arsenal then I think we will all feel much happier really quickly.

04 Mar 2018 12:01:40
Evans at 3m helps the budget go further - did that play into our low bid in Jan?

04 Mar 2018 07:41:43
I'm looking forward to today's match and hope we can get back on course with a win, restoring confidence going into Thursday's match against AC Milan.
As fans we must do our part and get behind Arsene Wenger and the team. With Chelsea having a tough match today, we have the opportunity to close the distance between us and them to 5 points.

04 Mar 2018 09:46:43
Unfortunately the game clashes with a documentary about the life of bubble gum so I will have settle for motd 2 edited version rather than the full 90 minute version, hey ho :-)

04 Mar 2018 12:03:06
I predict the end of our season on thursday night. Our away form is chronic.

04 Mar 2018 04:18:44
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Sunday 4th March 2018