Arsenal Banter Archive April 05 2013

05 Apr 2013 20:31:25
Hey Ed's,

Any chance that when Steve bould steps down at the end of this season, Remi Garde will come from Lyon and act as assistant manager for 1 season, before becoming full-time manager the following year when Wenger's contract expires?

I think Garde has a strong affinity to Arsenal, and also to the way Arsenal play football. Wenger also likes him as a manager.

cheers {Ed027's Note - I doubt it, would you step down from a mangerial role at a top french club, for a assistant managerial role at Arsenal?, i'd expect another ex Arsenal man to assist Arsene, or maybe a complete shake up, as Ed002 said 'big changes'

What if he was gauranteed the job when wengers contract ran out do you reckon he would then?

SM1996

05 Apr 2013 18:56:00
Eds do we have any interest in Toby Alderweireld from Ajax. {Ed027's Note - Nope, and hopeully i'm right

05 Apr 2013 15:27:39
Ramsey has been great this season and is improving game on game. Future midfield of Ramsey, Wilshere, Oxlade, Ryo.


Walcott and Polly up top

Ramseys been ok not great

05 Apr 2013 14:54:04
Ed, do you think that N'Koulou could be bought in to play Defensive Midfeild? Wenger had the same idea for Vertonghen. {Ed027's Note - I doubt it, we're intrested in Wanyama for a reason

Wanyama is the new m'vila, a lot of talk about us being interested, a lot of people saying we are sure to buy him, but arsenal football club saying absolutely nothing about wanyama. we will probably get flamini {Ed027's Note - The reason we never got M'villa is that Giles Grimandi recommended Wanyama over him

Wasn't grimandi the guy that was scouting m'villa aswell? If we do want wanyama, let's hope grimandi doesn't notice someone better next week. we will spend another year watching him.

Ed027, do you know which scout brought Flamini to Arsenal? {Ed027's Note - Not a clue, the reason we never got Wanyama last summer was because Celtic got CL, if they never got it, he would be with us, i'm sure i've said this

05 Apr 2013 12:56:27
Realistic transfers this summer:

Jovetic. 20m. this would be our marquee signing no doubt. Fiorentina willing to sell if price is right. Jovetic wants to leave now, will need to fend off interest from city and juventus.

Valdes. 10m. Experienced keeper played at the top level for nearly 10 years. Prone to a mistake but isn't every keeper?, Expressed his desire to leave Barcelona, no doubt other teams will be interested, but hopefully cesc and song put a good word in for us.

N'koulou. 10m. Young centre back from marseille. Who is rated highly in France, has told marseille he wants to leave in the summer and this deal has real possibility with the likeliness of vermaelen departing.

Corchia. 4.8m. Young full back from Sochaux who are fighting relegation so they will be looking to sell if they go down. Don't know if this is a good idea it would halt jenko's development. But I do feel we need someone to replace Sagna as its pretty obvious he's gone in the summer.

Bender/Wanyama/gonalons/capou 15m/9m/12m/10m. All possibilities capoue or Wanyama are my preferred options. They would add a certain steel to our midfield. Wanyama can also play cb which could come in handy if we get cursed by injuries again. Capoue I believe is the captain of Toulouse so no doubt he would be a leader on the park.

This I would regard as a very solid summer which could put us back in contention for the title. We have one more objection before the end of the season get top 4 and it could be a good summer ahead. COYG

05 Apr 2013 16:54:45
I'm so confused. Someone posted the other day suggesting the same transfers and they got loads of disagrees?

Detroit Gooner

I would agree with most of it, but realistically Jovetic would be closer to £25m, and if possible, you can include a winger who wouldn't cost too much maybe from the Spanish League. Corchia would be nice but Jenkinson is doing well and the youngster Bellerin has great potential too. Hopefully Gnabry and Eisfeld will get more game time so all in all, if we also get rid of the deadwood, then there is every chance that these signings can be made and that we can do well.

T heaps ere is one more addu r ion I would like this summer as I think he could be the special player that just adds the sparkle, and we already own him!

PLEASE GET JOEL CAMPBELL A WORK PERMIT.

HE COULD BE THE BEST EDITION TO OUR FRONT LINE ATTACK.

Pretty Please!

J

05 Apr 2013 10:05:28
I did an outline on Henry for one my classes. I thought I would share it. Some of the information is a little vag or loose, but I'm presenting to a bunch of people who only know who David Beckham is. Haha maybe I will share something more descriptive of Henry sometime :) Let me know what you guys think. Sorry it's long :S

Introduction
I. Soccer is the biggest sport in the world, and with that comes many players, but only one will always have a spot in my heart.
II. Today I will be focusing on Thierry Henry’s professional soccer career and his life with Arsenal and after.
III. Table of Contents
A. His life at Arsenal
B. His life after Arsenal
C. The Return of the King
Thesis Statement: Thierry Henry going from an Arsenal player, to an Arsenal legend, and finally immortalized as an Arsenal legend.
Body
I. Thierry Henry’s career with Arsenal went from August 3, 1999- June 25, 2007.
II. In his time with Arsenal, he had many accomplishments and rewards that gave Henry the status of being one of World’s best footballers at the time and establishing himself as an Arsenal legend.
III. His accomplishments include:
A. Two Barclays Premier League titles
B. Three F. A. Cup titles
C. Two F. A. Community Shields
D. Two PFA Player of the Year and three FWA Footballer of the Year
E. He had a total of six Golden Boots (Leading goal scorer)
F. And five French Player of the Year
G. All-time leading scorer for Arsenal
H. Being part of the “Invincibles” (Arsenal went on a 49 game unbeaten streak)
IV. The list could go on, but these are the more major ones in his life with Arsenal.
(So now, let’s talk about Henry’s career away from Arsenal)
V. Henry’s time after Arsenal include playing for Barcelona and New York Red Bulls which he still plays for. He also has accomplishments with these teams as well, including a UEFA Champions League trophy with Barcelona which is the highest European club tournament.
VI. Although Henry was not playing with Arsenal, he was never forgotten. In 2008 he was voted as the greatest Arsenal player of all-time.
VII. In the year 2011, Arsenal’s 125th year anniversary, Thierry Henry was immortalized outside Emirate’s Stadium, the home stadium for Arsenal by having a bronze statue of him put up by the club. This was an emotional and powerful moment for not just Henry, but for Arsenal fans as well.
VIII. The Return of the King
A. Arsenal struggling in their 2011-2012 season, they needed someone to bring leadership, encouragement, someone to look up to. Thierry Henry makes a sensational return to Arsenal on loan from NY Red Bulls after being away for five years.
B. In his first game he comes in late in the game as a sub. He ends up scoring the game winning goal making the perfect return for Arsenal and an emotional moment as well.
(I’m going to be honest; this was the first goal ever that made me shed tears of joy. )
C. In his eight week loan with Arsenal, he leaves with two goals in five games adding to his Arsenal all-time scoring record of 174, and as the Arsenal coach said completing the “story of a legend. ”
Conclusion
I. As you could see, Henry has made many accomplishments in his life, including his sensational return to Arsenal completing the story of a legend, and not only is Henry my favorite player ever, Arsenal is my favorite team, and knowing that Arsenal had a class player like Henry is something that is truly special to me and will always have a special place in my heart.

-LacedUpGooner

You should have done it on Ian selley

"a little vag or loose"

How rude, I'd take the little one though ;)

HB

B -

HB

05 Apr 2013 08:30:03
Just a quick overview:

This summer looks like a major transformation will happen at Arsenal. I don't thinkit will be a takeover like everyone else, but a major squad clear out. The reason for that is not speculation but facts.

There will end a lot of contracts this summer: Fabianski, Arshavin, Frimpong, Squillacy and Park. I don't see anyone of them getting a new contract offered.
Though I feel sorry for Arshavin, cause I am a huge fan this means we will loose a CB, 2 midfielders, a forward and a GK for sure.

Beside that the following players will enter the last year of their contract: Mannone, Sagna, Denilson, Bendtner, Chamakh, Rosicky. Probably Sagna won't be offered a new contract as well, Mannone won't want to be thrid choice keeper any longer, Denilson, Chamakh and Bendtner are not needed. Rosicky is old but I would love him to stay a bit longer.
So we will loose another GK, a RB, 1 or 2 midfielders, and 2 more strikers.

Besides Djourou wants to stay in Hannover, Santos in Brazil and Diaby is injured till at least January + time to get fit + time to get match fit it is late February or early march till he comes back.

So next season we have lost: 2 GK, 2CB, 1RB, 4 or even 5 midfielders (with Diaby hopefully coming back) and 3 strikers.

Having said that we will HAVE to sign a new GK, a new CB or even two (one with experience and a young one), a new right back (Jenkinson could be first choice but we need another one as a back up) a Diaby replacement and someone to replace Arshavin + hopefully Eisfeld in the first team, and at least 1 striker.

I have no connections or something, but I think JOvetic is really likely as a striker to join us, though I would prefer Lewandowski. Though we have a lot of DM I think we need a new one, preferred Wanyama or Capoue. And for the GK position I just hope that we get a world class GK. The rest would be even more speculation, but I think Wenger will make a lot of business this summer. And I think this will be athe major transformation of Arsenal football club.

AustrianGunner

Hi austrian gooner

what dm we have at the club at the moment.

malaga gooner

Ramsey, arteta, coquelin, yennaris, frimpong, diaby

Ramsey, Arteta and Diaby are not DM's. Frimpong looks likely to leave and there are doubts to whether Yennaris is good enough yet (we havn't seen enough of him to tell. That leaves 1 DM in Coquelin.

05 Apr 2013 08:14:23
{Ed002's Note -

The Demystification of the Financial Fair Play Rules (FFPR)
Introduction
I will try and simplify and summarise the FFPR and give examples where I can.
Putting aside all of the “mother country” fluff, the fundamental purpose of the FFPR is to:
(1) Ensure that clubs are operating within their means with transparent financial reporting. Example: Arsenal has debt which they can manage from the money they make as a club (good). Anzhi has a very low turnover given the amount of money they spend on players through donations from wealthy owners (bad).
(2) Protect creditors. Example: When Portsmouth went bust they owed money for players (the extreme case being Glen Johnson who had moved to Liverpool but Portsmouth still owed Chelsea for), money to local businesses (tradesmen who had worked at the ground, newsagents etc.), utility companies, the police et al (bad).
(3) Encourage responsible spending. Example: Liverpool under Hicks and Gillett borrowed money against the value of the club in order to buy players (bad).
(4) Protect the long-term viability of European club football. Example: They want to avoid the scenario of clubs entering administration or going out of business.
The FFPR apply to all UEFA club competitions and will actively come in to force from the end of June 2014 taking account of the financial monitoring period (the season just finished) and the two prior reporting periods (the two seasons before that). So when they first start, the FFPR will look at the 2013/2014 returns, and they will give consideration to the 2011/12 and 2012/13 figures.
I should make clear that it is not the full accounts of a club that are being considered, but just the “relevant” income and the “relevant” expenses. “Excluded” expenses are critical to the FFPR calculations. To this end, all clubs will need to effectively produce two sets of accounts. An audited set which are provided to Companies House and the relevant revenue organisations, and a second audited return laying out the “relevant” income and the “relevant” expenses for the purpose of the FFPR.
Relevant Income
(1) Match day gate receipts. Example: The money made by the club from paying fans attending games. This includes income from cup games when played away from home where a proportion of the gate money goes to the away side.
(2) Broadcasting rights. Example: Television income for games, money provided for radio broadcasting.
(3) Income from commercial activities. Example: Sales of bobble hats and rattles, club shop income, licensed income (e.g. DVD sales). In the future you can expect to see income from other media (e.g. streaming of games on a pay-per-view basis to the web and phones) increase.

(4) Prize money. Example: income from the Premier League, Champions League etc..
(5) Sponsorship. Example: Shirt sponsors (Standard Chartered, Samsung etc.), shirt manufactures (Adidas, Warrior etc.).
(6) Advertising. Example: Companies who buy time on video screens during games or hoardings at the stadium.
(7) Other operating income. Example: Payments made to a club for playing friendly matches in the Far East.
(8) Income from transfers: Example: All income from the sale of a player regardless of payment being due to previous clubs, the player himself etc. as they are allowable expenses which will later be deducted.
(9) Excess proceeds on the sale of tangible fixed assets. Example: The money Arsenal from converting part of Highbury in to apartments and selling them.
(10) Other income: Example: Interest on investments.
Relevant Expenses
(1) The costs of running the business (confusingly referred to as “the cost of sales” by accountants etc.). Example: Wages, ground maintenance, lighting, telephones, IT equipment, travel costs, policing costs etc..
(2) Employee related benefits and associated costs. Example: Costs of providing insurance, dental care, medical, employer NI contribution, housing, loyalty bonuses etc..
(3) Other operating expenses. Example: Payments for advertising, legal fees, agent fees, accounting fees, payments to players in relation to transfers, payments to player’s previous clubs, etc..
(4) Amortisation or transfer costs. Example: The total amount of money paid to another club to transfer a player or, if a club decides to do so, the amortised cost for that year (where a club is spreading the cost of the transfer out over the length of his contract for accounting purposes).
(5) Finance costs. Example: Bank charges, interest on loans etc..
(6) Dividends. Example: The owners may take a dividend from the profits a club makes as income.
Excluded Expenses
(1) Depreciation of tangible fixed assets. Example: The loss, if any, in value of the stadium, cars, IT equipment etc..
(2) Costs associated with the intangible fixed assets (other than player registrations). Example: goodwill, franchises, trademarks, copyrights etc..
(3) Expenditure on youth development activities. Example: All youth development expenses (housing, schooling, travel, medical etc.) are excluded from the calculations.
(4) Community development activities. Example: Outreach programmes, donations to the local community and charities, provision of equipment etc..
(5) Tax expenses. Example: Monies paid to the Inland Revenue, VAT etc..
(6) Finance costs related to construction of tangible fixed assets. Example: The interest on the £300M loan to build a new stadium.
(7) Interest payments on old loans (pre June 1, 2011). Example: Any interest due on a loan taken out for whatever purpose before June 1, 2011 is excluded from the calculations.
(8) Certain expenses from non-football operations. Example: This does not really apply to British clubs, but in other European countries clubs are often “sporting clubs” and have basketball, football, hockey team etc. all under one business.
The Calculation
FFPR calculates from a club’s “relevant” income and the “relevant” expenses whether the club is running at a surplus (profit) or deficit (loss) within a Monitoring Period (e.g. 2013/14). From this the FFPR decides if a club has met the “break even” requirement or not. This is not met if the “relevant” expenses exceed the “relevant” income by more than 5M euros (an acceptable deviation).
If the club exceeds this acceptable deviation, the owners of a club may contribute toward correcting it to a maximum of 45M euro over a rolling three year period (30M euro from 2015/16 on). Example: If Club X made a loss of 50M euro in 2013/14 due to the purchase of players, the calculation will ignore the first 5M euro and assume an owner contribution of 45M euro and there would not be an issue. However, for the two years following, there would be no allowable owner contribution as the full allocation had been used. If Club Y made a loss of 30M euro in 2013/14 due to the purchase of players, the calculation will ignore the first 5M euro and assume an owner contribution of 25M euro and there would not be an issue. But in this case, for the two years following, there would still be 20M euro allowable as owner contribution to cover further losses.
The Punishment
The Threat: If a club has been determined to have violated the “break even” requirement for a season it may be excluded from the next season’s UEFA competitions.
Likely Situation: If a club can show it has been moving in the right direction and doing what it can to overcome financial issues, perhaps brought on by a recession (e.g. in Spain) then I would expect a strongly worded letter as a warning. Perhaps by then end of the 2016/2017 season, If a club has been determined to have violated the “break even” requirement for several seasons then it may be excluded from the next season’s UEFA competitions.
UEFA are willing to make some exceptions to the rule and have already said they will consider:
(1) The quantum and trend of the break even result. Example: Chelsea has spent a lot this summer rebuilding an aging squad, so even with considerable additional income from winning the Champions League it could violate the “break even” requirement. However, spending less next season will show the club moving in the right direction. Expect a strongly worded letter in a couple of years time.
(2) Debt situation. Example: A possible “get out” for Barcelona, Real Madrid and Manchester United should they have a bad season and need to violate the “break even” requirement. Consideration will be given to the existing debt and the ability of the clubs to service that debt. The trend of the debt reducing and an excuse of “one bad season” and “need to rebuild the team” would likely result in a slapped wrist.
(3) Fluctuating exchange rates. Example: All non eurozone countries need to report the FFPR figures in euros which could fluctuate due to the exchange rate, whereas a number of the UEFA figures are fixed amounts (e.g. the 5M euro acceptable deviation).
(4) Projected figures. Example: UEFA will allow clubs to show that they are moving in the right direction if they provide projected figures showing that the “break even” requirement will be met in the following season.
(5) Force majeure. Example: Any extraordinary events or situation arising that is beyond the club’s control will be taken in to account.
(6) Until then end of 2014/15 only - Ongoing reductions in wage costs. UEFA will be flexible over the “break even” requirement if a club can show that their wage bill has been reducing and with the exclusion of wages of players signed before June 1, 2010 they would have met the “break even” requirement. Example: An escape route for the likes of Chelsea prior to prior season with Drogba, Anelka, Bosingwa, Kalou, Cech, Terry, Lampard etc. wages excluded from the calculations. A possible future escape route for the likes of Barcelona.
The Issues
There are a number of matters that UEFA still need to figure out and a number of concerns that certain clubs and certain national associations have. Off the top of my head:
(1) Loopholes: Whilst UEFA has done what it can to block any potential “loopholes” it is well aware that exclusion of wages for players signed before June 2010 is one it has introduced itself, and one that will be popular with the higher paying clubs as a short term escape route through to the summer of 2015. The matters of excessive sponsorship will be addressed via a cap to thwart the concerns over the likes of Manchester City abusing the rules. The cap has yet to be finalised but will require ratification.
(2) Soft Sponsorship: UEFA are concerned at the aggressive approach to obtaining sponsorship some clubs are taking. Questions are being asked about the ethics in clubs having airline travel partners, photocopier partners etc.. The Spanish clubs have raised this as a concern.
(3) National Sponsorship Variations: As we have seen tobacco sponsorship leave Formula 1 UEFA would like to see alcohol sponsorship out of football. We already have a situation where sponsorship by alcohol related businesses are forbidden in certain countries. Wealthy breweries are now focussing their sponsorship in other countries thereby creating a perceived imbalance in what income clubs are able to obtain in sponsorship. The French and Russian clubs have raised this as a concern.
(4) National Financial Distribution Variations: Concerns exist in countries where different models are used for distributing prize money, contributing to the grassroots game and distributing income from television and other media broadcasting. This led to an original request (rejected) from a number of clubs to restrict the FFPR to only the wealthiest of clubs, those with a turnover in excess of xM euros.
(5) National Taxation Variations: There is a considerable difference across UEFA nations in taxation, and this is seen to be reflected in the wages paid to players. The Spanish clubs have raised this as a concern.
(6) Third Party Ownership: Countries that allow third party ownership of players are seen to have a distinct advantage in being able to keep the costs of transfer fees low as they are only paying for a proportion of a player. The English clubs have raised this as a concern.
The Great Fear
Without going in to too much detail: (a) A number of clubs take the opportunity a once or twice a year to discuss various issues including changes in rules, television rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc.. These discussions, the last of which were in late August, also always turn to the possibility and structure of a breakaway pan European league. Several are ex-G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions. (b) The plan is that at some point a number of clubs would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that they would be banned from all existing club competition and the players would initially be banned from all FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are very aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues. (c) The clubs would renegotiate their television rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc.. (d) It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen.
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Ed002 who cares what you have to say?
We don't want you here.

Says anonymous poster.

Thanks ed002 for the update much appreciated. ignore the person whos posted first in response.

batch

Why are you not blocking these posts.

we know your getting abuse.

your going about this the wrong way.

just let posts go through from registered people.

malaga gooner {Ed001's Note - thanks very much for your input, but I have been doing this for over 12 years now, I think I know what I am doing. Registered people are just as bad as those that haven't.}

Nice off your to post here ed002 your info is always well appreciated by me and many others just a shame the minority need to apoil it many thanks ed002 your a ledge

Thanks for the information ed002.

05 Apr 2013 15:29:16
It's people like you is why Ed002 no longer posts on this site, coward leaving no sign off. You're the one who's not wanted here.

Detroit Gooner

04 Apr 2013 23:26:54
ed are we talking to celtic for wanyama

malaga gooner {Ed027's Note - We have had contact in the pass and were close to signing him last summer, but because Celtic made the CL they manged to hold on to Wanyama, but we aren't in talks right now, we aswell as Man City are the strong faourites, we should have the edge becasue of past discussions, but the new guy at City (Tixi) wants him badly, so we're in for a fight

Cheers mate

malaga gooner

Cant see man city signing wanyama - they have yaya on a new contract, gareth barry and the bloke from everton who is always injured. rodwell. Also, if man city buy someone, it will be of a higher calibre than wanyama. capoue maybe. or even de-rossi if mancini manages to keep his job. {Ed027's Note - well they are intrested, and he would be perfect for them, he would sit back, giving yaya more freedom, Barry is on his way out, wanyama is one of the biggest talents out there