Arsenal Banter Archive January 05 2013

05 Jan 2013 22:04:49
shame if we just kept song and rvp how close we would be to the title but are board went for money

watford gooner

"our" board. ;)

Arsenal would be a force with the players you have now and the ones that have been sold over the last few seasons would definitely be winning silver wear

05 Jan 2013 21:44:42
RVP!!!! I want to hate him, I really do! but he IS a class cf and we do miss him loads! plus he has not been replaced imo!

if Grouid is the man to do it then our formation needs to change and our squad needs to be strengthened with quality wingers!!

I really fear for our normal top 4 finish this season, its not only suprs this year but everton too, who have had great 1st half of the season, which thy usually don't.

p.s if we do noty sign a dmf, il be shocked and gutted!!

brummy gun

It pains me to say it but he is still world class, was hoping he would flop but.. In principle i have to try to hate him but its hard when he can play the game so wonderfully even if it is for manu :(
NI Gunner

05 Jan 2013 21:37:09
I just read on transfermarkt that we're now linked to Strootman and Jovetic, when we can get Villa and some other waste of money why would we possibly want those two.

Next thing you know we'll have sold the leagues best striker to Utd.

Stoner

Strootman would be 1 of my top choices for midfield.

Paul - Rochester

05 Jan 2013 20:34:10
Rvp saves man u again! Selling him to them was clearly the biggest mistake Arsenal fc have ever made ! Would rather we'd let his contract run down and go on a free
at end of this season. The 24 million or so we got for him will be cancelled out by the money we loose by not qualifying for champions league this season ! Makes you wonder what the thought process was that led to him being sold.....
"Let him go, we've got Geronimo and chamack...(sp)"?
What a joke!
Chi Gooner

We always sell to man utd. I remember when we sold big frank [stapleton] I was gutted [showing me age now]

05 Jan 2013 20:04:42
Bid for micah richards i think a decent offer will do it, the player himself would move for first team football.We should not pay any more then 5 million for villa barca still owe us payments for song so that would even this out.bid for luke shaw and get lopez this would be great buisness for us to get that top 4 champ league.m villa would also arrive. We have 70 million to spend, so whats the problem.We need to get going now, we cant wait around and see what happens.Theo will sign in fact i think he already has. devon gunner

He's also an arsenal fan

Price of Diesel would be an issue though.

D

05 Jan 2013 19:39:39
Can some one please explain to me how selling Van Persie to Man U was good business ?

Windsor gooner

Kronke dosent care know or even like football he is just in it for the money and unfourntley some dipsticks are doing nothing about it

watford gooner

No unfortunately

Because he didn't wan't gamble our hard earned money on a injury prone 29 year old...so he just lined his pockets with it :/

Yeah I can mate.
It's simple economics.

Observe.

You take the leagues best striker, arguably the best out and out striker, and you call him "v"


You then take a money grabbing, American tightarse, who only cares about his pocket and call him "s"

Along with that you have a $80m ranch which is "R"

Then you have to two clubs, who will be "a" and "m"

So,

A - V = M + V + S + $ = S + R

D

05 Jan 2013 19:26:42
We'll do it tomorrow boys, I know we will. I live about 14miles away from Swansea, and I will get a chance to watch my beloved arsenal since I left the red side of London for work 5 years ago. Nothing much to Swansea's fans... fake most of them are, decided to jump on when the prem came knocking on the door. Let's show them what a real bunch of supporters are, and with us behind the boys the lads on the pitch will teach the jacks a lesson, the new arsenal begins tomorrow COYG!

05 Jan 2013 19:09:40
makes me sick seeing that absolute, **** score for them red nosed ***ts

manchester gooner

05 Jan 2013 18:35:25
Several media outlets reporting Mbiwa and Olsson (WBA) as primary targets. Personally I would love this as it would be recognition that our defence is pants.

Benedict Howedes the schalke captain would be a better option.


Paul - Rochester

05 Jan 2013 18:23:03
To me it looks like this, we go for david villa, a great player for around £16 mill. That is more expensive than the £8mill that chelsea got demba ba for! Why didn't we just fight for demba ba and still be able to get a fitter, younger and less injury prone player that has proved himself in the bpl? We're supposed to be the stingy club, and yet we spend £16mill on an old man? Frustrating as ever!!


Inarsenewetrustsometimes :)

Come on. Ba less injury prone?
The old man is a legend in Spain, most scoring player ever on their national team, do you think a player like that needs to prove he's worth in Premier League. Ba is a great player but Villa in form is a world class striker and not many strikers are better.

Ba was a lot more than the £7m when you include fees and insurances. Although Villa's insurance may also be high as well.

Also Villa is considered a better player and it is not certain whether he would be £16m. In fact I would guess he would likely be less (if we get him at all).

Hackney Gooner

Demba ba has a very dodgy knee which could end his career at any time

JW.10

Ba less injury prone? Hes got serious problems with his knee. David villa has had one bad injury and is now fine.

Ba knee so bad that he has missed 17 games in 7yrs

05 Jan 2013 16:53:01
Everyone is banging on about villa being 31 and too old but rvp is 29 and went for 25+ and had 1yr on his contract left, yet rvp has never come close to achieving what villa has, personally I think villa will add the ability to finish under pressure as well as experience to our front line, and theo can learn from him.

Dealgooner

When you put it that way...

even simpler- would he be a better alternative to what we have? it's a no-brainer, but then so was Demba Ba.

psychocyst.

Not being funny and not taking anything away from Villa but he has been playing in the 2 best sides in football for the lat few years (Barca & Spain) it would be very different for him at Arsenal.........id probably get a few goals if i was playing With Messi, Xavi and Iniesta every week.
You cant score goals if you dont get the chances.
At 31 we should be looking at different players, if we sign him i hope im proved wrong but i just dont see him being the answer to our problems.

1404

Was his scoring record not better at Valencia??

05 Jan 2013 16:35:38
players like Denilson, Bendtar, Chamakh, Gervinho, Santos, Squillaci, Djourou, Santos - will they even make the second 11 team of manchester united, city or chelsea? So why did arsenal buy them and why are they still paying their wages? the worst part is, these players dont even want to play for the team - there is no pride! how would a team even dream of winning silverware when you have players of these calibre and unprofessionalism?!

Arsene keeps saying he will only add player to the squad if they add quality. I say, please get rid of these players first to make room for players who will play for the team with pride and honour. At the end of the season, it is not the isolated 7-3 win against newcastle which win championship. it is the scruffy 1-0 victory over a team like swansea or southampton which will win the points. and for that, we need those dedicated players who will fight like its their last game.

A player with Lampard/Giggs/Scholes/Gerrard steel attitude is what is needed - a real leader! Wilshire will get there but needs more time. Bring in Pirlo for a season!

Santos is so bad you put him twice

Gervinho is a cut above these players but yeah still not good enough.

So should Arsene give Frank Lampard a ring ?
Chris

05 Jan 2013 14:35:36
Arsenal are now favourites to sign David Villa from Barcelona, with the Spain striker backed into 5/4 to join the Gunners in the last 24 hours
(source )

Yorkshire Gooner

05 Jan 2013 14:24:02
Is the answer to our problems really a 31 year old, coming back from a broken leg and who can't get first team football? If we spend £16m on Villa and meet his £110,000 wages - we'd be buying a name rather than someone who help turn the club around.

Yes he is the answer to our problem he is a great striker and he will show that if he comes to us we could not ask for a more experienced striker than villa and he will help others at our club to become better strikers
Aah

But the problem is we need to press for forth we need quality now, so this would be good for us

Bryan

Your living in the past - he WAS a great striker.

Giroud 19 games - 6 goals
Gervinho 12 games - 3 goals
Villa 6 games - 5 goals

"He was a great striker?"

What planet are you on? He's one of the best strikers in the world. Talent like that does not just disappear at the ge of 31!!

He still has 3 years at top level

Rubbish he's on the way out and looking for one last pay day. If he still had the legs - no way Barca would sell.

I don't understand people would love TITI fir 2 month loan who is 34 years old but not villa who is 3 years younger and can stay with us for 3 to 4 years and score loads of goals and he will score them he is a was a and will remain a great striker it would be f****** great if we got him !!!!!!!

ARABIAN GOONER

05 Jan 2013 13:36:33
Any information about Micah Richards. He is a strong player that cna play both central and right defensive role. I think he would be a good buy for AFC if Manchester City would allow him go.

There is plenty of information on Richards on the Manc website and on youtube - he is an English defender, strong, fast etc......

What more do you need to know?

He would be a great buy. Hes an absolute beast!

05 Jan 2013 14:37:19
big clubs dont sell big players to their rivals

Except for us

JW.10

So vander sar is right then.

05 Jan 2013 12:10:41
It seems to me that we make things harder than they should be.
We try to haggle better prices and ultimately lose out on the first choice options.
Mata would be ours if we had offered a few extra mil and hurried up with the deal.

Can't we just get Walcott into a room, ask him what he wants and go on from there?

Arsenal: Hello Theo, what are your demands?
Walcott: 100k per week and a central strikers role
Arsenal: Very well. We will offer you 50k per week, the strikers role, a can of peas and Emmanuel Frimpong to wash your car.
Walcott: No thanks, I'm leaving.

Seriously though, how long should it take to get a deal agreed. Set a deadline and if a deal can't be agreed by then, then sell him.

Let's hope he stays

Nick.

Nick, that is ridiculous!

I would never trust Frimpong to wash my car he is far too heavy handed.

Theo will sign, if he has'nt already

337

05 Jan 2013 15:30:54
Well said 337 it would look far from dench by the time he'd finished with it.

Stoner

05 Jan 2013 11:28:03
This is what needs to happen. Lock arsen, ivan, and theo in a room and no one leaves untill its sorted either way if you want to stay then stay then stay if not see u later . Theo. chelsea man u and city dont need any more strikers and liverpool have just got sturrage so your not wanted by any of the big clubs . We should go and sort out our business early.
Papey

05 Jan 2013 11:05:37
Hi Ed, in your most honest opinion do you see any chance of Wenger signing Yann M'Vila or Yanga Mbiwa this Januaray? {Ed013's Note - I don't see why not, M'Vila the most likely}

Imo Yanga Mbiwa should be our number 1 target over anyone. He can be our DM that we need more then anything and can also be our 4th CB to take the spot of Djourou when required.

Dont care if he is a United fan.

Marty

05 Jan 2013 10:17:59
Reasons why arsenal players get into last years.

1. david dein used to sort them out quickly before getting into this position, ivan has been useless

2. we were winning things so it was easy for people to extend their contracts

05 Jan 2013 11:59:55
You are very wrong, when Dein was at Arsenal things were very different, there was no Arab money in Manchester and we were able to compete with 'most' other teams regarding wages - now, there are half a dozen teams who can and will offer players 200k+ per week to join them, this is why this has to stop.

05 Jan 2013 10:42:28
wenger has to buy a big player and he knows it to keep the fans off his back

05 Jan 2013 10:17:17
el arsenal, the spanish are comin!! villa, lopez & isco the future is bright the future is spanish, does this mean a change of manager in the summer with a well known former barca man comin in?? here's hoping!

05 Jan 2013 04:55:26
Arsenal are reducing the wage bill and will continue to do so because they recognise there is a real chance of failing to secure champions league money next season.

The squad will be a lot smaller next year, as well as the wage bill, with more academy players being rotated so I don't expect a one-in-one-out policy, more like a one-in-5-out

This is a very interesting statement... if this is the case AFC should now close the football club

Poppycot!

05 Jan 2013 02:43:03
After the first few days back to work I fancied a flutter so popped into the bookies, but I don't like FA Cup betting (too many shock results!) so had a chat and made a proposal, and he agreed to 100-1, so I thought why not put a tenner on it?

..
ALL TOP SIX clubs of Arsenal, Man Citeh, Spuds, Man Utd, Chelski and Everton will have new managers by Jan 1 2014!

Here's my reasoning..

ManUtd - Jose Mourinho

Now, I think ManU is the dodgiest on the list but Old Red Nose is already showing signs of mental illness with some of his comments this season! Jose looks increasingly like he will be available at the end of the season, if not before. I think Utd have had him earmarked as SAFs successor for a while, and I think they would move for him if he was available and he inevitably got talking to Citeh. SAF may well retire following a successful and dominant title winning season, along with his legends scholes and giggs. Or SAF may be gone if a stray RVP shot hits him on the head!

Man Citeh - Jurgen Klopp

I don't see them catching Utd, so I think Mancini will lose his job, and take a lot of his expensive flops like Ballotelli and Garcia with him. Citeh will want Jose but as explained above I think Utd would go for him and he would choose them. 2nd choice would be Pep G, but he builds francises over a prolonged period, and must know he wouldn't get the time on Citeh's hot seat. So I think they'd move for a recent successful man-manager like Klopp who could bring some stars like Gotze with him, or perhaps an old school disciplinarian, someone like Capello or Koemann or Ancelloti.

Chelski - Not sure who but it won't be Rafa! even though IMO they finish 3rd this season.

Everton - Martin O'Neil (or someone similar)

A good money manager and player motivator. Moyes may think he has done all he can there (surpassing expectations) and after Everton are forced to sell their stars in Fellaini and Baines, albeit for big profits, they simply can't reinvest too much, especially as IMO they won't get a top 4 finish this season. Martinez would be in with a shout too.

Spurs - David Moyes

Moyes could likely leave for the next step up, and I think he would accept this job if offered after AVB flops again. The mighty Gunners will finish 4th with their worst team ever, above the best Spuds team ever, which will not be good enough for the Spuds to back AVB with any more money. They will continue the annual comedy that is Spursday Football. They'll sell Bale, probably shift a lot of players as usual, and rebuild without champs league money, which is Moye's speciality. Even though his reputation in Britain is quite poor, I could see Madrid or Inter or another big european club taking AVB, so it could work out ok for him.

Arsenal - Pep Guardiola

Pep had a detailed visit of the training grounds, youth academy and stadium a few years ago and was very impressed with the tradition, finances, future plans etc and he was touted to be AW's successor way back then, but the pieces may now be in place for that to actually materialise. He is learning English whilst on his sabatical and living very close to the New York Red Bulls, and apparently has a close relationship with King TH14 whilst over there (who could very well join his coaching staff with us). There will be many offers for him, but I think he would choose Arsenal over all of them as Arsenal like stability and he would pretty much be guaranteed 5 years at the helm. However, Barca could come calling again due to their coach unfortunately getting ill again.

As for Wenger, well I bet he never imagined the day his Arsenal fans sang "You don't know what you're doing" to him. I think we'll finish 4th place this season, which will be a minor miracle for Wenger (without adding quality this month, which I don't think will happen because AW will keep the excuses coming and the money safe for the new manager's era). 4th place and he could step aside with his head held relatively high. He'll most likely move up to be Chief Executive for a few years, which could hold the new coaches back, but I wouldn't begrudge his involvement in assisting the transition period. He may even take the France job, but I can't see him managing another club after us, and rightfully so, because he is a Legend here.


What do you reckon? Should I just throw the ticket away now?

PS. I was close to adding Loserpool and Newcastle to the list which would've made it 150-1 but decided against it...

gun44

I think you might be onto something here mate.

AVB won't get fired even if Spuds don't get top 4 - he's too expensive - apart from that all poss

05 Jan 2013 01:29:24
Who would u prefer David villa or Adrian Lopez?

Lopez.

At 31 villa is too familiar with the Spanish league. A bad leg break and high wages doesnt help either.

Adrian is 24, versatile, and seems to have a chip on the 'ol shoulder due to Falcaos status.

Neither. villa is too old, lopez is the next reyes.

IMO David Villa - he was imo one of the top 5 out and out strikers in the world before his leg break. If we can harness a fraction of that he'll be our strongest player and age is not an issue for me at all.

It's actually been a small dream of mine to see him at the club....here's hoping all this stuff doing the rounds is actually true - I have a feeling we may be using the Villa stuff to either get him cut price as Barca apparently owe us money we seem to not be bothered about collecting - or we're using him as a pawn to get A Madrid to lower their asking price for Lopez.

Metal Gooner

Lopez because he will play for far longer and hasn't had recent injury problems. I think lopez is much more likely.

Don't really think that the Villa rumours are real as I can't imagine Wenger buying a 31 year old, unproven in our league, with big wages.

Villa for me. Ok so he has had injuries in the past, but this will just mean that he has more to give in the tank. His game was never based on pace. IMO he was and still is the best finisher Spain ever produce

Naz

Easy- villa 100%

04 Jan 2013 23:54:44
Be realistic, if you won't offer a competitive wage and can't offer CL football - what calibre of player do you expect Arsenal to sign?

04 Jan 2013 23:15:52
Can we please wait till end of window before we doom our squad. So we missed out on Holtby we missed out on Sahin in summer and that didnt do to bad. People complaining about not signing anyone in first few days. I want to re-inforcements also and a shift of the deadwood, plus going off Ivan's comments earlier in the season they will be coming in, so give it time. If when this window having shipped out Cham, Arsh, Squll, Djou and bring Lopez, M'villa, plus another will it really have been a bad one? just wait and see. Wenger knows what he has to achieve and the consequences of not doing so.

Holmesy