Arsenal Banter Archive November 05 2014

05 Nov 2014 22:59:51
Feel a bit better tonight.

Thank you Man City.

Misery loves Kompany

05 Nov 2014 20:51:14
M City currently losing 2-1 at home in the CL

And we think we have problems

05 Nov 2014 21:23:22
And Ferrn, Fernni, Ferrnadd, Fernaad, Furrynanny,.

S*d it, they have had a player sent off.

05 Nov 2014 21:30:31
How was Nasri not just sent off for that wild hack, Jesus they are dog awful.

Yeah could be worse, we could be bottom of the group on 2 points xD

And we think we have problems?
2 titles in 3 years, we could do with those sort of problems.
They may have had the money to do it admittedly but if you gave Arsene 200 million in January wed have 28 midfield's and not a natural DM amongst the lot of them

Yeah it is certainly not clicking for Man City at present.

Yaya Toure is the key player for them when he plays well City play well but at present he is just not with it and not enjoying football at the mo.

Theyl be fine when they finally sign some wingers. Pelle won't be there next season though I hope they don't get simeone the guy would sort them out no end.

Letting negredo go and keeping dzeko was silly I know who i'd rather have on my team.

City want Ozil apparently, I say a straight swap for Toure would be perfect!

Wouldnt touch toure at all.

05 Nov 2014 18:54:55
David James has declared himself bankrupt.

No surprise, he was always poor at saving.

05 Nov 2014 19:21:37
Doesn't sound as good when you clean it up Ed, lol.

05 Nov 2014 19:45:10
It was amazing to hear that Keith Gillespie lost the whole of his £7 million career earnings. £7 million and he was pretty much Joe average.

05 Nov 2014 20:00:44
Red,

David James lost £20m.

Amazing.

How do you cope with having millions to having pennies?
I know its their fault because they must have made some very bad decision but its got to be difficult to cope

05 Nov 2014 17:33:36
ED007 on the Celtic banter site has told me that NEGooner has passed on good wishes after my recent heart problems, can I thank him and everyone else who has wished me a speedy recovery (although having bet on Sanchez and an Arsenal win last night, it set my recovery and my bank balance back lol)

{Ed002's Note - Hope all is weel Tim.}

05 Nov 2014 17:57:44
All the best Tim,

Wishing you good health

Good health mate

05 Nov 2014 22:46:41
Hope ure well soon buddy.

Glad to hear it mate

05 Nov 2014 15:41:29
Wenger has come out and blamed the defensive performance for last nights fiasco, I agree but when will he be man enough to put his hands up and blame himself for not bringing in a replacement for the defensive players that he let go and more to the point a defensive midfielder to PROTECT his fragile back four. Only one man to blame. he signs the players, he picks the team and he sets out the tactics. .

The worse bit is that AW used to play as a defender/sweeper

I'm not one of AW out brigade but for someone who likes to be the boss off the pitch you would think after they scored their first that he would have instructed his players to defend!

05 Nov 2014 18:02:51
I think most people, whether Arsenal related or not, know that our defensive deficiencies are down to Wenger.

Everyone but the only person who matters and who has the power to change it knows its all down to Arsene, now that is depressing :-(

05 Nov 2014 14:51:29
Anyone tell me what S Bould's role is?


Apart from saying " yes Arsene"

?

He is also looking a right mug

05 Nov 2014 16:37:43
His is the most redundant job in football.

It says a lot when his predecessor's nickname was "bibs & cones"

05 Nov 2014 18:15:49
Assistant manager but gets a £100 fine everytime he talks.

05 Nov 2014 12:19:56
Mers and Hoddle couldn't be more right. We are tactically clueless. 3-0 up and Ramsey and Flamini are still bombing forward instead of staying square and protecting the back 4. All any of the players cared about besides Sanchez and the Ox was getting on the scoresheet.

I know we play attacking football with full backs constantly bombing forward, but do we need to do that at 3-0 up? No one even bothered to think about protecting the clean sheet.

This is proof that the problem lies with the manager. He made no indication that he wanted any of the players to change what they were doing, almost as if he expected them to rubbish the tactics themselves. Wenger has no plan B and expects teams to just lie down and except defeat when we're in front. That's not how the game works, nor has it ever worked that way.

His tactics are outdated, he has no leadership qualities and ultimately it his him, his tactical naivete and his new system which doesn't suit a single player in an Arsenal shirt, that is costing us results.

Wenger out! PLEASE!!

Couldnt agree more!

Been a long time fan of Wenger but just recently the plot he has lost. Any other manager in the prem would have reacted when they pulled one back but no response not even to change the strike partnership and give our guys a rest. no quite happy to watch the whole disaster unfold. I know we are not down and out yet but we have to get a result against Dortmund and if that doesn't come off a trip to Turkey with no more than victory required to garantee progrees beyond the group. Dark days indeed.

This has been going on since Wenger broke up the invincibles.
He has no defensive awareness. Other than Campbell and Kos what other top quality central defender has he brought in TV5 was hit and miss and had too many injuries.
I truly think it's time for this man to step down because his ideas and philosophy at first were brilliant other teams have looked at that and have improved on it and moved past us. Poor Sanchez what has he let himself in for.
Every team look dangerous when they attack us why is that .
We all slated the Ginger tw@t on when he said years ago that Wenger used to be good but now he ain't.

Many of us have been blinded to this due to the love of our club

05 Nov 2014 14:46:30
CIG,

Not sure if you watched it but Monday night football on Sly Gary Neville did a piece on Southampton and their ability to defend as a team and how well they did it.

He did the same last year about the same team but at that time with Pochettino in charge and not Koeman.

That's two seperate managers who can get a team to defend and defend properly, it has not stopped Southampton scoring goals whilst only conceding 5.

It is ridiculous what is happening at Arsenal, it is unforgiveable for a manager of the supposed quality of Wenger to let it continue.

How you can get battered 6-0 in a landmark game by your nemesis and still not learn, still not fill the gaps and still not prevent it from happening beggars belief.

I have been a Gooner for over 45 years, backed Arsene to the hilt but he is pushing even my patience.

We will win nothing with the likes of Mertesacker, Flamini, Arteta, Giroud and Welbeck running through the centre of our team.

Whatever vision he sold to Ozil and Sanchez he better bring to fruition sooner rather than later.

Those guys are used to winning, winning and winning some more. An FA Cup every now and then is not going to cut it.

Don't think I have ever felt more disappointed than I do right now.

05 Nov 2014 16:15:26
Stoner,

I think that is also down to the hunger shown by the players at Southampton, and the lack of hunger shown by our lads.

At any other club, Cazorla and Ozil would have been benched and the Ox given more of a chance. With a fully fit squad, Rambo would have been benched, and Flamini, Mert. Chambers would be playing centre half, and with Debuchy injured any other manager would be playing Bellerin.

It doesn't stop there. Barring Alexis, Ox, Koscielny, Theo and to a degree Welbeck, all of our players have become far too complacent. Ozil is a marquee signing, he know's he'll make the team sheet under Wenger. Arteta is captain, Per vice captain, the know they'll start. Podolski doesn't care as long as he can tweet and use instagram. Cazorla is in crap form, be he know's he'll get the nod. Monreal knows he won't play over Gibbs when fit, so he's not bothered.

The only players doing anything are the ones with points to prove.

Alexis - God
Welbeck - England
Ox - England, and Wenger is too stupid to play him half the time.
Gibbs - England
Chambers- Future starter
Bellerin - Future starter
Kos - He's just a fighter, the only real leader we have in the back 4.

Notice that apart from the younger lads, and 2 exceptions, most of the lads that have something to prove, it seems it is more with their international interests in mind, rather than whether they get the nod with the club.

This problem rests solely at the manager's feet. Without bringing in the squad players to create depth and competition within the squad, the players who do start become complacent and show no hunger to prove that they deserve to start. because to Wenger, they already have.

Also, having the stones to actually bench one of our stars when he's having a torrid time would be nice. AW seems to the the only manager who doesn't do this. He'd rather coddle his lads then make them push for their real potential. They're grown men for crying out loud!!

05 Nov 2014 11:41:38
If Wenger was not going to reinforce the defence then we might aswell have kept Djourou.

He as back up centre half scares me less than Per and Monreal as a pairing.
There is NO way they will contain Bony and Sigurdson. They could not handle the Belgium blokes whos names I can't even bother to remember.

Bringing Flamini back and then letting Song go to Sam's mob is crazy. That somes up this current Arsenal for me.
Flamini and Big Per as our physical presence.

Wanyama is now a must have player now. He is my ONLY candidate for that holding midfield role. The man has played in the champions league against the likes of Iniesta and now is holding his own in the premiere leauge. Him alongside an actual centre half is a must. Would calling out the ghost of Vidic at Inter Milan be a bad idea?

That guy Schar at Basel looks a player, should have gone for Benatia when he was at Roma, Howedes won a World cup in a makeshift defence while playing out of position.

05 Nov 2014 11:36:11
from a total high with sanchez's and ox's class finishes to a shocking capitulation which showed Arsenal's perennial Achilles problem - it was an arsene wenger classic game - all possession, get caught on the break, can't defend, bad substitutions and not seeing a game out when you have total control. no other 'big' club would allow that to happen, but with us it is a worrying pattern.
we can make all the excuses about not having debuchy, koscienly, jack, theo, ozil and giroud but with the inexperienced opposition we were facing we should and were handling them with our second string defence. I could not believe my eyes when I saw the ox and welbeck coming off they along with sanchez were the only ones closing down the opposition - cazorla seems to be playing on a different pitch to the rest of the team and ramsey did not have his best game either. no offence to rosicky or podolski but they can't work as hard as ox or welbeck when defending. theo would have been a better replacement atleast he would have caused problems with his pace.
don't get me started on flamini and arteta. ok arteta scored and looked busy but we were playing Anderlecht, if that was Dortmund we would have been mullered, arteta is a yard slower than last season. flamini is a walking timebomb - wenger will rue the day he didn't buy a defensive mid this season - its all good having sanchez and the rest banging in goals and working their socks off, buts what is the use if the dodgy backline and midfield guard let you down every game.
mertesacker has not been very commanding of late whether he is missing the presence of kosci, I don't know but with monreal next to him he looks half the player and is becoming a liability, he is the tallest player on the pitch but can't even win headers, he is too nice and needs to grow a pair, he should intimidate the opposition with his height and power but is beaten to the header every time. monreal well I won't say much about him because this is a family webpage. I feel sorry for chambers and gibbs they have so much talent but are made to look sub standard because of our weak central defence and midfield.
arsene needs to shake things up big time, there is no room for sentiment - I couldn't care less if mertesacker has won a world cup, arteta is a captain, flamini has experience- cazorla has skill - if they ain't performing don't pick them!
chambers could have played central and bellerin should have played right back - it would have bought more stability and chambers pace would have helped mertesacker. what bellerin must be thinking- you can use him against stronger opposition like Dortmund but put him on the subs bench when playing so called weaker opposition! - wenger unknowingly is destroying players confidence by not playing players when they are available to play in the preferred postion but instead playing them out of position (ozil -cough -cough) how long before he starts playing sanchez and welbeck as central defenders or fullbacks. (they probably do better).
I can't believe that every season I write the same thing we are so close but so far - the addition of sanchez welbeck ozil chambers debuchy - the emergence of the brit pack has improved our team greatly but wenger will always put a spanner in the works by not completing the jigsaw when he has an opportunity. you will notice that all the above weaknesses are down to wenger's attitude and coaching/management style - he trains them, he picks the team, he buys the players etc. maybe he needs to take a long hard look at himself.

anyway enough of the rant, let's get our thoughts together for the Swansea game and FFS wenger don't play monreal in central defence and tell flamini to stop waving his arms about and actually do what he is paid for.

hulk hogunner

05 Nov 2014 10:58:17
This was supposed to be the season we kicked on and became real contenders with the stadium no longer holding us back but the summer didn't bring what was most needed.
Patience some said it will take 2 or 3 windows to get all we want but next season will be the one!
Now quite rightly people are saying the squad needs a massive overhaul rather than adding the finishing touches and looking at us this season not just last night that's hard to argue against.
Injuries? We always have lots of injuries and dispite bringing in a super physio nothings changed on that front either.
Backwards or sideways I'm not sure but we are certainly not going forwards that's for sure.

05 Nov 2014 09:34:02
I have no idea what AR was playing yesterday at 3-2 up he stood over a free kick and tried to put in? Totally strange instead of playing short pass or atleast having someone like Alexis or Cazorla take it would have made more sense, they would atleast made the keeper work.

Ridiculous so Mad about yesterday more than feeling down.

Ramsey needs to learn how to see a game out and not go looking for the wonder goal to satisfy himself. He's slipped back into his old form, taking to long on the ball again. It's not helped that for whatever reason AW changed the system this year to one that suits no-one!

We have too many people in this team who care about themselves more than the team and that's a major problem.

05 Nov 2014 07:49:12
SHEENY and ALL

I'm afraid I do hope to lose, this is the only way things will get sorted.

Papering over the cracks every year just won't do.

The fact we lose a game really does ruin my weekend and I won't even watch MOTD or listen to a pundit, I am Arsenal through and through but finishing 4th and getting out of the group stages each year mean we really thing we are great.

In wengers head anyway

05 Nov 2014 08:21:13
I'm Arsenal through and through, for over 40 years, and I totally agree.

I think we will still qualify, I certainly hope so, but last night was ridiculous.

Bambam, avatar?
Explain lol.

We will finish second and get a spanking next round. Simple

I disagree boys, if we need changes we have to make them on the fly. Maybe a player or two. Probably another voice if not replacing wenger at least that he must listen to - like Mourinho was to van gaal at Barca.

Think it through, if I am Sanchez or another star and we don't make CL or later stages of CL, I would say rebuild on your own time as I am in my prime and what time is the next train to ManCity where I can make some big bucks…

DAGS

Wengers face had to go

05 Nov 2014 10:30:21
I stand by my comments boys, I respect that you stand by yours

05 Nov 2014 00:32:40
After tonights performance, I think its clear its time for a squad overhaul.
The squad has been crying out for a backbone since viera left, and look what happend tonight the tactical incompetence was just embarrasing. Arteta had a decent game, but is just not consistantly good enough, flamini is just a joke, mertesacker shows no leadership and a weak link, I know monreal was out of position but he lacks fundamental defensive skills that can be displayed by 5 year olds, cazorla is slow and every single delivery into the box he makes is poor and is cleared, podolski and rosicky lacked any desire to fight to the end despite only coming on 5 mins before and were just shocking. along with wengers tactical incompetence it cost the 3 points, and these players need to be cleared from the squad as soon as possible. as for the peopel saying wenger out, take a look at what the man has done for the club he has built a stable successful team, ik tactically he is making poor decisions, but the players are the real problem, they have all let the fans down ( apart from sanchez)

The biggest overhaul we need - and I'm not suggesting we don't need two defensive midfielders and two centre halves - is at owner, board and manager level.
I'm sick of 'em all.
Wenger - sadly - out. Thank you and goodbye.

05 Nov 2014 00:05:33
How much did Sanchez cost? £37 million wasn't it?
I reckon he must be now worth at least £60 million.
About the same worth as the rest of the whole team on what we have witnessed tonight.

05 Nov 2014 00:28:13
Hi Golds,

Sanchez and Ox apart, the rest were pony.

Add Chambers to Sanchez & Oz, he's a young lad but still gave 100% if wenger doesn't get a quality CB or DM in January he should be gone. can't this board see how poor in depth it is and with wengers obsession of buying lightweight midfielders. I'm ATID but come on, everyone can see what we need to make this squad decent. Finally Alexis Sanchez. just wow & amazing!

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