Arsenal Banter Archive January 06 2016

06 Jan 2016 18:24:46
So our next game is FA cup game against sunderland, should we rest out key players for liverpool game such as ozil. I think we sould give him a breather and not risk him. What my fellow gunners think.

06 Jan 2016 19:05:13
Rest him. Rest kos rest bellerin. Monreal. Chambers in for le coq. Give Adelaide a run out. Can gnabry play?

06 Jan 2016 19:42:23
Yep, What Derby said.

Fat Sam has already said he will be resting players for Saturday.
We should do the same.

06 Jan 2016 23:43:00
Doesn't fat Sam have previous in the 'we're going to play squad players' right up to sending out his full strength team?

07 Jan 2016 08:42:02
Epps, yep he has done it a few times mate.

06 Jan 2016 10:06:36
Next season will be a defining moment for english football. the best coach in world football is coming to the premier league. I see him most likely going to city which would be a total disaster to us arsenal. arsenal is the kind of club guardiola needs because his critics have been saying that he has it easy because he comes to teams that have strong teams and guardiola is the kind of coach arsenal needs. i can't think of a better match. i sincerely hope the arsenal board realizes this rare but wonderful opportunity and hand the reigns to guardiola. He may stay for 3-4 years but he will surely deliver trophies while playing attractive attacking football.

{Ed002's Note - Arsenal has a manager who will be retiring in 2017. You are suggesting that Arsenal sack Wenger.}

06 Jan 2016 10:32:41
If nothing has been signed yet I'm fairly sure in the coming weeks the people involved will know where he ends up! Any club that isn't going to get pep wants to come out and publicly say it's not them.

06 Jan 2016 12:31:27
he doesn't have to be sacked. he will walk away. but i suspect he may want another assault on the champions league leaving with that trophy would be fitting.

06 Jan 2016 13:53:18
Arsene Wenger has not stated that he is departing at the end of his deal. I believe he is considering his options, as a section of fans had turned against him. I cannot see him leaving if Arsenal win the Premier League this season, as he only 3 or 4 players off a team capable of making a serious Champions League challenge. He clearly isn't ready to give up club football and the only serious option would be PSG.

06 Jan 2016 14:23:47
I am sure the Arsenal board would discuss many things, including planning for the next manager when its due. However, it would be a massive stab in the back for Wenger if they were to do it currently, something he certainly doesn't ever deserve. Also I believe the only person "qualified" in our club to appoint our next manager is Arsene himself.

06 Jan 2016 13:55:17
If he wanted CL that badly he would have bought the players needed to compete, we are miles away. I'm not knocking wenger's transfer stance, it's just he could have blown some cash knowing he is into his final years. But you have to respect him for sticking to his guns! Let's just enjoy the final years with the single most important man in the club's history.

06 Jan 2016 14:48:32
Pep won't be joining Arsenal for lots of reasons, first and foremost
Their is no vacancy
Plus
The club would never pay the wages he could demand else where or fund the spending he is used to having available to him and he would have available else where.
Epping! As for Arsene choosing our next manager, why? And if he was allowed to let's hope he's much better at picking managers than he is goal keepers because until Cech was handed to him on a plate last summer his judgement on this position has been very very questionable if not worse than questionable, didn't Fergie pich his successor :-)

06 Jan 2016 15:11:43
I think arsenal pay our manager arsene handsomely, and as for pep he was never needed the big funds which we have, he managed teams that were complete or maybe missing one player. If he goes to city he will change one or two players at most same at chelsea. He won't go to man united that's for sure especially if they drop out of the top 4.
As for arsene wenger to choose our next manager, I yhink that's maybe the best thing can happen because no one in out board seems to have a clue about football otherwise they could have pushed for couple of outflield signings which we have been crying for such as DM and CF. so Onthink there a little argument ther G62. I might be wrong tho.

06 Jan 2016 15:09:44
i believe with cech in for the last decade we would of won a title for sure, probs champions league lol as he carmer than jens,

06 Jan 2016 17:30:19
Time will tell I guess Moe, but 300,000 a week is the figure being mentioned for Gardiola is services and that's too strong money for almost all clubs and he inherited Champions league winners and previous seasons runners up so Bayern weren't to shabby to begin with but still he's been denied little he's wanted by the club in transfer finds over his 3 seasons.
Picking a manager is a tricky business as united have found and I'd like to think Arsenal's board have taken both this and Fergies attempt at picking his successor into account and are taking all the advice they can get from the best sources they can find to speak to.
Derby I think the 2007/ 8 season we'd have been champions if we'd had a top keeper but we faded away at the end of that season became the premier league 3rd best team but with a keeper who wasn't in the league's top 12 keepers at that time.

{Ed002's Note - Just to be clear - Arsene Wenger has told the club he will be leaving at the end of his contract in 2017. As I have previously explained, during the pre-season and early on in the season there was an issue that was proving to be of great concern to Monsieur Wenger and there was a chance that he would not see out his contract. To allay fears that would happen, and after some discussions, he has now stated that he will retire in the summer of 2017 when his contract expires. Unless the issue M Wenger is concerned about comes back to the fore, I think it very unlikely that he would step down next summer.

06 Jan 2016 17:56:54
G62, the main reason why i think Wenger is the best man to find his replacement is mostly down to the complete lack of faith i have in the rest of the senior board to do the job. Do you really want Chips Keswick, Ivan Gazidis and Stan Kronke being the main men interviewing and deciding our next manager? Two out of the 3 wouldn't recognise a football if it smacked them in the face, let alone be able to spot a decent manager! Whatever you think of Wenger, he is a footballing man through and through, and an Arsenal man through and through. He won't be leaving the club under a cloud (IE sacked) , so to turn the question around, why do you think he should not be involved in the process of selecting his replacement?

{Ed025's Note - hard to argue with that epping imo..

06 Jan 2016 18:20:58
That ia exactly my point epping mate. And as ed002 mention I Don't believe wenger will leave before his contact expire. Put let's see how pep will cope if he take over man u. As he had the best teams and selection of players to work with, not saying it was walk in the park but its easier and most managers had wo work with.

06 Jan 2016 18:54:54
With all due respect Ed, Wenger has never stated that he is retiring in 2017. He tends to leave his contract renewal until shortly before his existing deal expires. I am certain that even if he was considering leaving Arsenal, he would keep his cards close to his chest.

{Ed002's Note - Wenger has told Arsenal that he is going at the end of his contract in 2017 - I have explained this to you on a number of occasions.}

06 Jan 2016 17:18:19
G62 the reason is that like you say the position is currently occupied at the Emirates! But when you start talking about us never paying his wages that would not be the case wenger is currently the highest paid in the EPL (after the sacking of Jose! Who was on 13+million) wenger gets 8.3 million and is the second highest paid manager in the world behind pep who gets paid 11million, I'm fairly sure if we wanted him and there was a position for him I'm sure we could compete (up to a point lol) that been said I think his next salary will be the highest ever paid to a manager.

06 Jan 2016 19:07:03
Truth is. No one knows of arsene is leaving. Not even him. He is divorced. Arsenal is his life let's be honest.

{Ed002's Note - Truth is he has told the club he is leaving at the end of his contract.}

06 Jan 2016 19:07:04
Very good and very fair question that Essex, the reasons I would prefer Arsene not to choose our next manager is it would very likely lead to a poor man's imitation of Arsene's style of management and rather than someone coming in with different ideas to mix things up a little with what has worked still works and what hasn't worked so well for Arsene over the years.
New ideas are IMO needed to go along with the best of what's been achieved to date.

06 Jan 2016 19:27:24
Of course eds but you just don't know. Year and half in football is a long time.

06 Jan 2016 19:28:44
62. Thankfully it won't be remi garde now.

06 Jan 2016 20:12:56
I might have been if he'd hung on Derby, phew :-)
I just don't want a continuation of there " there was no one available ' or " player A or B will be like a new signing when they return " or "4th place is a trophy ".
Build on the good stuff and change what hasn't worked for us over the last 10 years.
A sensible respectful appreciation of all the good things but also someone who can see and act on the missing ingredients.

06 Jan 2016 20:25:43
Fair point G62. Whoever comes in certainly needs to be his own man, rather than in the shadow of his predecessor. I forgot to mention that I do agree with you re Wenger knowing nothing about goalkeepers. I have long said he should of handed GK selection and signings over to his GK coaching team. That being said, watching both Fabianski and Mannone playing a bit more regularly this season than they ever had the opportunity with us, they are actually fairly good keepers.

06 Jan 2016 20:42:29
I agree Essex they are along with Ospina and Szczesney fairly good to pgood keepers but none are title winning keeper's.
Arsene is an excellent but very stubborn manager who is very reluctant to change direction when things aren't working out how he'd hoped or thought they would.
Keep the absolutely fantastic things and foundations Arsene has laid but its time for someone with a little less attached to everyone and every thing.

06 Jan 2016 20:59:55
Ed, with all due respect I fail to understand why you keep stating that Wenger is going at the end of his deal, when this is not certain. Wenger would never let this out as early as this as the speculation would be damaging to the team and if you know this, then the press would know as well and this isn't the case. I reiterate that Wenger tends to sign new deals shortly before the end of his existing deal.

{Ed002's Note - I have to repeat myself as clearly you seem unable to grasp what I am saying. Wenger has already told the club that he will be leaving in the summer of 2017 when his contract expires. It is an incredibly simply concept and I don't know why you are struggling to understand it.}

06 Jan 2016 22:50:36
Let hope your right eds or you will have a lot of sorrys to post next summer lol.

Epping. The keepers you mentioned should never of been anywhere near the arsenal goal.

06 Jan 2016 22:44:46
Ed do you have any idea to the next Manager after 2017.

{Ed002's Note - There is no decision at this time but the club will have feelers out and will be getting advice from AW.}

06 Jan 2016 23:48:37
Maybe not first team Derby, but they certainly don't look any worse than Ospina now they are playing regularly, and maybe we should have kept Fabianski as a heading coach for Giroud!

06 Jan 2016 23:54:11
what people do not realise about guardiola is that he is so tactically astute and always makes sure his instructions are executed to the latter. His game is based on ball possession winning the ball as soon as his team loses it but with more emphasis on keeping it (which tends to drain the energy of the oppossing team) . His teams are hard to beat and his pressing tactic is the best i have ever seen and i believe this is why english teams have struggled in europe because the better coaches tactically ply their trades in spain or germany. i can bet with all my money that guardiola will win the title in his first season in english football. He is that good he is a maniac and a very intelligent coach. arsenal is a team already doing a catch up we haven't won a title for 12 years never won the champions league i repeat never. we will never win the champions league with wenger with pep we have a chance but if pep goes to city who really believes here that we are going to pip a city team coached by pep to the title?

06 Jan 2016 19:47:24
So let's get this straight I'm getting a vibe that wenger has told the board that he will leave after this contract! I think we all think a little too deeply into this and none of us have a clue how, who or why all we know is when.

07 Jan 2016 01:16:14
Ed, I fully understand what you are saying, I simply do not believe for one moment that Wenger has advised the board that he will be departing at the end of his current deal and even if he had, that you or anyone else outside of the board would know of this decision. Unless of course you are a board member, which with all due respect I very much doubt. Wenger has always kept his cards close to his chest and hence I do not believe that he would have closed the door on such a major decision.

{Ed002's Note - I am not a board member and have no idea why you have said such a stupid thing. But like all of the board members I am aware of what they have been told. You are completely wasting everybody's time with your constant refusal to accept what I am telling you.}

07 Jan 2016 09:45:38
ED, again I don't mean to be rude, but you seem to be quoting something that isn't correct and then becoming quite rude. Wenger certainly has not stated that he is retiring in 2017, as you stated, nor has he stated that he will not remain at the club as at 2017. Do you not think, if this were true and you were aware of it, that the media would also be aware of his decision and they would be speculating heavily on who would replace him? To clarify your comment please let us all know your source.

{Ed002's Note - Yes he has said that. I am getting rather sick of your responses.}

07 Jan 2016 10:01:51
No he hasn't, what he said is that when he leaves he wants to leave the club in a good state, which created speculation that he may leave. Again I ask you to state where you are getting this information from, as it simply isn't correct. He may well decide to leave at the end of his deal, but to date he has not made this public, to the best of my knowledge. Hence, why I fail to understand your unsubstantiated comment. Why get 'sick' of my responses? Simply answer my question.

{Ed025's Note - i dont know why you are pushing this RG?..ED002 has told you the facts and if you choose to doubt it thats up to you mate, he does a tremendous amount of work on here and provides great insight and information and can do without the hassle of repeated questions that have already been covered..

07 Jan 2016 10:24:32
I respect all the work done by all the Ed's and thank you all for it, but in this instance I believe he may have his facts wrong and hence is getting quite rude. I believe he could have misinterpreted Wenger's comments that he wants to leave the club in good shape when he departs. This was a source of much speculation in the press, but nothing has been confirmed and we all know that Wenger keeps his cards extremely close to his chest. All I asked was where Ed got this information from? He also stated in this string of comments that Wenger is retiring in 2107, again I very much doubt Wenger is retiring in 2017. I will leave it for now as I don't want to embarrass anyone, but a simple explanation of where he got this information from was all I asked and not repetition of an unsubstantiated comment.

{Ed025's Note - let me tell you that ED002 is very well connected in football circles RG, he does not speculate and would not put his name to anything that was not true at the time, we all know things can change in football but to doubt his integrity is being very disrespectful if you dont mind me saying mate..

07 Jan 2016 10:27:53
Ed002, may I ask, if you're aware, what is the problem that caused AW to consider his position earlier in the season? I'm just very interested to know more as you don't, in public, often hear much of disagreements between arsenal and the board.

And on the subject of AW leaving and the end of his contract, I don't doubt you and expected it myself, but why hasn't this been publicised more in newspapers etc? Is it to do with AW's what seems be a good relationship with the media?

{Ed002's Note - I don't know what you mean by a disagreement with the board - there wasn't one. The issue was an entirely separate matter that M Wenger hopes will not be raised again. I have no knowledge of what the media has chosen to publish and what it hasn't published.}

07 Jan 2016 10:51:08
Hi CS - I believe the problem Wenger had, was not with the board, but with the lack of respect some supporters were showing towards him, despite all he has done for the club. Hence, he may well leave at the end of his current deal, although nothing appears to have been decided to date and it would not be made public in any event due to the detrimental effect it could have on the team.
The board appear to have fully supported Wenger in all that he has required. I believe it is Wenger's decisions who to buy and within reason what to spend. Hence, I do find supporters criticism of the board unwarranted. Yes, Kronke keeps quiet, but he doesn't appear to interfere either.
The options open to Wenger at the end of his deal, assuming he decides to leave appear to be managing abroad, as he has stated that he wouldn't manage another club in the Premier League, with PSG my guess or to go into International management with France, as again he has stated that in his opinion the manager of a national team should come from the country of the team in question. I hope he stays, as he is an amazing manager and due to his lifestyle appears in good physical and mental health. He will be extremely difficult to replace.

{Ed025's Note - i would say impossible RG..

07 Jan 2016 11:01:58
Absolutely Ed025 - What is astounding is that supporters under the age of say 25, will have no recollection of anyone else managing the club!
Wenger has transformed the club in his time, with awesome training facilities and an amazing new stadium, taking us to the very brink of the top of world football. We have seen various world stars under his management, as well as a host of trophies. I love the security he gives the club and will miss him when he leaves. Mind you, he looks in such good shape, that he could easily manage until he is 75 or so, if he wishes to.

{Ed025's Note - you are preaching to the converted there RG mate..

07 Jan 2016 12:09:29
I whole heartedly believe wenger is going! I'm pro wenger and always have been but I also believe at the end of next season the time will be right for all concerned . Wenger no longer has 100% backing from the fans and even a few trophys won't change that!

07 Jan 2016 12:34:27
Sorry 002,I was referring to the mater of great concern in pre season and early in the season you mentioned.

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get in to that and it is nothing to do with any gossip you have suggested.}

07 Jan 2016 12:40:25
Fair enough :-)

07 Jan 2016 14:37:46
Wenger will retire he won't be managing another club.

06 Jan 2016 04:50:15
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