Arsenal Banter Archive July 06 2014

06 Jul 2014 20:27:22
Ed's is it true Barcelona have accepted a bid from Arsenal re sanchez?

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

06 Jul 2014 22:38:02
I'm suprised the rumour, "my mate" works for the club shop, and has been told to order more z's.

Cheers ed, just read it sorry, thanks again, about time wenger paid the asking price, the haggling days are over.

06 Jul 2014 22:13:46
Eds, who is our main target in the defensive midfield position?

Cheers for all your work.

{Ed002's Note - I have said who the club are interested in - I cannot answer subjective questions like this.}

05 Jul 2014 16:27:53
Hi Eds,

Who is Arsenal's most likely signing as a holding MDf? and how about reports linking us with Manolas (Who I think is a very good man to man def )? Many thanks

{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer "most likely" questions.}

06 Jul 2014 18:28:48
Clearance Sedoof said when playing in Brazil the youngsters from the fevelas were hungry and excelled to escape poverty then stopped progressing once their future is safe.
Our youngsters don't need to get anywhere near the first team to make their dad's wages look stupid and can afford fantastic cars at 18 or 19.
Let's face it Betner can afford to retire from what we paid him and what did he achieve in the game?
Too much to soon dulls the appetite

{Ed007's Note - I read somewhere about Connor Wickham (21) on holiday posing with bottles of Champagne at £17,500 a pop, my wife's car didn't cost that!}

Its crazy 007 a lot of people in this country don't earn £17,000, .
How can a player keep his feet on the ground long enough to learn their trade and aspire to greatness when their millionaires by 20 years of age?
It does nothing but their bank balance any good, £1000 aw maximum for under 21s would do them so many favours as players and people in the long run

06 Jul 2014 19:40:48
Sedorf is talking sense, how many Brazilians set the worlds a light up to the age of 23/25 and fall away into obscurity after that. Ronaldinho went from best in the world to mediocre in 18mnts.

Oh and Ed. thanks for letting us know who wears the drivers gloves in that relationship!

06 Jul 2014 19:48:37
Agree G62.

I read that too Ed.
The worst thing is that's just the tip of the iceberg, Kids don't want to become footballers for the love of the game, but for how big their mansion will be and how many supercars they can park on the 200 foot driveway.

Maybe a pay limit on under 18s of £300 18 -21 £1000 21 - 25 £5000 25 plus sky's the limit.
No birthday cakes under 35s and a life time ban for shooting an apprentice and biting an opponent.
Their so far detached something needs to be done for their own sake as much as anybody's

As they say money talks, the fact an average player now costs insane amounts of green coloured paper, its no surprise that most of them feel they are gods gift to mankind.

while we are busy celebrating the possible arrival of Alexis Sanchez, fingers crossed, I have been intrigued by how players at southampton have handled the transfer saga. throwing their toys out of the pram, shouting screaming, holding their breath till their face turns blue, and forcing the saints hand into transfers. clearly the club wanted to keep the players but it goes to show loyalty in football is left to the yesteryears.

after having RVP and cesc do the same to us in recent times, I feel for the saints fans, they want their club to compete and win, and this FFP BS is nothing but a farce.

while i'm happy suarez is going to leave our shores to bite on the other side, in a way I am also pissed off we can't beat liverpool with him, I want to play against the teams with their best players and I would have like for the saints to keep their players so they could show us that last year was not a fluke, and while liverpool are busy raiding southampton, I think Wenger and Arsenal should stay clear of players who try to force such moves, its inevitable should a bigger opportunity arise you will be on the other end.

What and yours did ED

lol

06 Jul 2014 22:09:00
Good posts Gents.

06 Jul 2014 22:15:09
Gunner62, I was just about to say something like that. would be the ultimate incentive to continue to improve!

06 Jul 2014 23:38:50
I think G62s argument misses the point though, the ultimate incentive should be to play football for a living not a fortune. Be a hero not a millionaire

Hi Sheeny I agree no kid starts off with the intention not becoming a millionaire from football or if they do we never hear of them because to be good enough to make it you need the ability and passion for the game.
Its when they get the money that changes, if you come from a regular family who like most people have to save for things like holidays cars Christmas presents etc and then at the age of 18 you are suddenly earning 50 x as much as everyone you grew up with its got to be difficult to stay level headed and keep your feet on the ground.
Its giving too much financial freedom to those to young to appreciate or cope with it and far too many become detached from reality, they need protection.

06 Jul 2014 17:01:24
The world cup has shown the to have a good tournament you don't have to have loads of good players, so is there a case for giving some championship players a run in an England shirt? Players who feel their country is doing them a favour and feel every game could be their last in that shirt
Effort pride passion and total commitment virtually guaranteed v Luxembourg or Germany and friendly or world cup final.

06 Jul 2014 17:56:38
Not employing clueless managers such as Woy Hodgson, the Wally with the brolly and Graham Turnip would help. None of whom showed any ability to get a team playing quality football at any time in their careers.

Pochettino showed what you could achieve with a mixture of youth, experience and some flare. None of his team could be described as world class but he gave all the big guns a run for their money.

A lot more than can be said of England who went out with the same points total as Iran, Japan and South Korea.

I don't think roy is a bad manager, he is quite capable, the issue I have, similar to wenger, is the fact that with age comes ego and arrogance to discount certain factors, and stick to what I call a very one dimensional way of playing or thinking.

its the age factor, and a young dynamic manager with a hunger to drive a team can go along way.

look at the US coach as a prime example of lack of talent yet he made his team go out and kick some. those guys would probably struggle to get into a top 10 team in the EPL, but together they kick, fight, run, jump and play for each other and their country.

In the English national team, its liverpool, vs man utd, vs arsenal, vs chelsea.

if gerrard has a good game, the pool fans sing his praises for saving england, there is only one gerrard, if rooney scores a goals the united fans banter on how rooney is a legend, and so on and so forth, the team itself for me is divided with some sort of animosity or jelousy or something trivial, will england succeed in the near future? for me NO, its got nothing to do with the epl quota, its quite simple introducing futsal or something equivalent at grassroots to give kids and youngsters a technical advantage, to have the confidence in their ability, and create some sort of a freaking identity.

06 Jul 2014 21:47:22
Lakerville, if Arsene called it a day and they announce Roy Hodgson as our new manager?

Might be a nice man but he is like a lot of managers that just rotate around the lower clubs like Steve Clarke, Mark Hughes, David Moyes, Tony Pulis and Alan Pardew.

Never going to set the world alight but they do ok and England manager material, never in a million.

For me if we really want the England team to do well then the PL need to back the England manager. The USA proved that playing as a unified team rather than a collection of individuals is far more succesful in international football. Yet it seems that England never play the same team in friendlies leading up to major tournaments, as the manager has to promise the club managers that he won't overwork their players. If this promise is not forthcoming the players are just withdrawn due to a 'minor injury' only to play a few days later for their club. So for me the England manager must be able to pick whatever players he wants for all games, and any picked player who is withdrawn will not be allowed to play for his club for their next game. That way perhaps the manager could start building a consistent team with a spine and who turn up to tournaments at least playing as a team. I realise that with our injury record this could backfire for us, but at the end of the day I wouldn't expect Wilshire to slot straight into our team after a period out, so why would anyone expect him to be able to just turn up for England and play like an international?

I can't remember where I read it, but it was along the lines of, the managers at grass root levels are learning the trade themselves, so the process of having some experience for that level is quite amateurish. so effectively the learning curve is either really bad or non existent till they find themselves thrust into the limelight with hopes and expectations of a nation, while being told they are the next big thing.

06 Jul 2014 16:25:41
This according to a website.

Arsenal and Barca agree the transfer of Alexis Sanchez for £32m.

Personal terms have been agreed between Arsenal and the player and Barca are very happy with the payment terms of the transfer fee.

I read it too but sadly its hardly from the most reliable source DG :-( hey ho at least not twitter so might just be true :-)

06 Jul 2014 15:31:12
Would love it if we sign Schneiderlin, aka Spyder.

Had the best Defensive mid stats in prem last season. Most tackles, most interceptions and highest work rate.

we need a player who can boss the middle of the park, break up play and protect the back 4.

we need a player who the will scare the life out of the opposition.
No offence to Arteta, who is a terrific squad player, but is about as scary as Louie Spence holding a kitten.

Come on board Spyder.

06 Jul 2014 16:42:52
He'd cost as much as Kedhira, not worth it

To be honest Louie Spence scares me ha ha

06 Jul 2014 22:14:14
Trev,

You worry me mate.

06 Jul 2014 14:50:55
To YYC,

Re my earlier post about English teams signing too many 'foreign' players, to the possible detriment of our national team.

Yyc, you said maybe I should reverse the question, that's a damn fine question in itself mate.

So, a question to you all, courtesy of Yyc.

Why are our young English players, possible future stars, not being snapped up by Foreign clubs, who have a fair share of foreign players in their squads, but not too many English players? (Bale apart).

06 Jul 2014 15:55:02
Rooney was one who could maybe have gone abroad at his peak but being that he is thicker than a whale omelette he could never learn another language, I mean sheesh he struggles with scouse. :-)

Sorry post cut out eariler incase it doesn't get posted it just said about English think the EPL is the best league in the world and not playing in it is a disadvantage. I don't agree with that but I do think English players that go abroad do get overlooked by the England set up, look at the owen Hargreaves situation

The amount if foreigners in the premier league doesn't hurt the game. As young kids grow up trying to finish like Henry.
Look at France where the majority of there team plays abroad. The issue is not enough English player play abroad. And we play the 'English' game too much at international level. You watch the England team we play like a westham or Bolton. We need a philosophy a style of play and we don't have that and Roy is not the guy to introduce that. You also have the fact that unfortunately some players are un-droppable so you will strong to play and attacking 433 with Rooney and Gerrard in the team. Just my opinion

06 Jul 2014 16:12:03
I heard Rooney got arrested last night for nicking a packet of Cherry Bakewell's.

The police let him off with a warning when he explained to them he promised Coleen he would never pay for another tart again.

Sadly its money again, both silly transfer fee's and wages for young English players.
Sheffield utd probably pay as good wages as most ave top flight continental sides.
When it comes to the best young prospects their probably on 30 to 50 k in England where as a young German Dutch or Brazilian player might be lucky to be on a quarter of that if there lucky

06 Jul 2014 16:57:22
Because they're not good enough.

Sturridge/Sterling/Ox/Wilshere good players but wouldn't make Barca/Madrid/Bayern. Maybe the Big Italian clubs but that's so poor now.

So why then go play for say Valencia? Anything in the Prem is better than anything outside the big clubs from other leagues.

1) There is such a passion to the game in England, each club has it's Immortals (Passion only rivalled by the Germans)
2) Great game attendances (Bettered only by Germany)
3) They have a chance to play against some of the biggest teams in the world. The Prem has Arsenal/City/United/Chelsea/Liverpool and Spurs and Everton would make Champs League in any other divison. Newcastle then are an old dynasty.

In Spain its Madrid/Barca then Athetico had a great season last year but they're club is not on par with any of the Prem teams I mentioned. Nor are Valencia.

Germany only have Munich, Dortmund had they're most recent 15mins and the likes of Shalke/Wolfsburg/Bremen all put in a good season here or there but would never make top four in the Prem.

Ajax are in a sub-par league

The only league with an amount of great teams is Italy
Juve/Milan/Inter then Roma/Lazio/Napoli
Parma then the old dynasty
But all of those are rubbish now

Who knows though if the French league continues to develop maybe .

06 Jul 2014 18:17:07
Not hungry enough when growing up Dags.
Simple as that.
Like the Rocky film Eye Of TheTiger.
Just take a look at a lot of the African players and South Americans. Come from very poor backgrounds and work their hearts out to become successful.
Most of them started off with no boots as you well know. Football is a way out of the poverty for them just like most successful boxers. Most of the English born players have never been anywhere near that type of hardship. Anyhow that's my opinion to your question.

06 Jul 2014 18:24:19
Germany do not have greater attendance than the Premier League mate.

06 Jul 2014 19:18:24
I meant percentage attendance,
they have an average of nearly 99% capacity. Just have smaller stadiums for the most part

06 Jul 2014 20:06:36
Actually I was wrong little gunner.
They have both :P

Can't find the thing I read before but.

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

Oops, you're right! I did read something that England came out on top, but that must of been all of England's professional tiers compared to others rather than just the premier league!

06 Jul 2014 23:41:34
I'd say that's correct Little, Championship is something like the 4th/5th highest attendance in Europe, which is extraordinary

06 Jul 2014 10:37:19
Quick round up on this windows transfers .
Sagnas replacement? Debuchy more than adequate for me. PL experience, right age ect and judging by some stats on ssn better than Sagna last season.

DM upgrade? I think we all agree arteta is not mobile enough any more. A great pivot point for want of a better phrase when teams are sat off of us. Khedira first choice for me, but wouldn't be upset if schneiderlin arrived instead.

Winger/forward? Sanchez appearing on the arsenal website may make a little wee escape. but any one of Sanchez Pedro dimaria or draxler be superb. If we're being honest, a predominantly left sided wide man is most needed. A striker with real pace would be a useful addition. Benzema is the obvious choice, or maybe bring Campbell in until jan and see how things go.

Defence? Per and kos. Widely regarded as best defensive partnership for a long time. Generally agree, however, I think we need another CB with pace. Last year against teams like city liverpool and anyone who attacked with pace, the BFG just looked like an accident waiting to happen. Against teams with a slower build up, he takes up great positions and reads situations very well, but run at him and he looks worse than stepanovs.

06 Jul 2014 09:36:10
It is just a job for a lot of players but I love it when they wear the shirt with pride and get it from a fan's perspective.

Stand up Per

"It doesn’t matter to me if I’m the water boy or the cheerleader, ”

Or should I say Captain Per

I know Arteta is vice captain, but if Vermalen leaves (we know it's likely) and Per isn't made captain, I will honestly kick off.

He's just such a model pro.
He's a superb leader and a great worker.

I saw a video yesterday called 'The 3 Germans' and it was Per, Poldi and Özil talking to a BT interviewer, it's old as Özil didn't talk much English at all, but Poldi and Per were just loving life.

You need that in a club.

It's safe to say that like Dags and Remy or 90% of the population and Giroud, I do have a slight man crush on the BFG!

06 Jul 2014 14:39:48
D_

Nothing wrong with a bit of a man crush every now and than, lol.

Dags, There certainly isn't my friend!
Guys like us are man enough to admit to them!

06 Jul 2014 16:13:39
Absolutely mate.