Arsenal Banter Archive November 06 2014

 

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06 Nov 2014 20:08:59
Walcott in the England squad , 1 day back from injury
Chambers in England squad never played under 21 and is a wet week in a premier league first team . Wiltshire in the England squad , apparently still injured! Do u ever wonder why England win phish all!

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I haven't seen the England squad BUT if Walcott is in it then. . . . . . . .are you all ready

BLAME WENGER, how the hell can Walcott be released for international duty when he has hardly kicked a ball in anger for his club.

SAF would never have let that happen.

Madness

Same goes for Jacko he has missed a couple of games but can't be fit, I know let's release rather than keep him at Arsenal to make sure he is fit for M United

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Exactly! There was a post on Facebook from the arsenal ( official page ) happy as a pig in rubbish that we have 6 players in the full England squad, I even forgot to mention Gibbs, played 1 game since coming back from injury??? Really?? WTF, the insurance payments must be worth it!

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Roy is a joke. No regard for players long term health. Walcott should be nowhere near the squad. If I was thei i'd say roy are you crazy jog on.

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If you listen to Roy's press conference he says theo is on a strict training regime and he has agreed with Arsenal to stick with it, and rightly so.
Personally I don't see any problem with Theo's inclusion. If we want him fit then 20-30 mins as sub for England will more than likely benefit arsenal. It's match practice he needs and if he wasn't selected he's not going to get match fit any quicker.

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07 Nov 2014 08:25:53
Wenger doesn't get the final say

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Sheeny .you are having a laugh aren't you?

All Wenger has to say is he is on the treatment table, how many times do you think SAF did this and then a player is fit for the weekend.

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07 Nov 2014 20:23:02
No I'm not having a laugh! He quite obviously isn't on the treatment table Banbury! How do you expect him to get away with a blatant lie when he's progression from the treatment table is highly publicised?

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Banbury
I don't see why your being so negative about Walcott inclusion. He needs game time to get match fit. Up to now he's had 10 minutes. He's only likely to get 20 minutes this weekend. If he plays 20-30 mins for england there's a chance he could start against Utd. We could get 60-70 minutes out of him and that would be ideal. He's not going to get match fit jogging round the training ground.

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I just worry and its a bit embarassing on the rest of the players if he walks back in the england squad.

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06 Nov 2014 18:42:27
Arsene has the safest job in football because to the people who control AFC The Emirates stadium is a trophy that is of more importance than any CL or PL title could ever compete with.
60,000 people paying the highest price in football with a long waiting list Ka ching
Champions league qualifying year after year in 4th is as good as 1st but costs much less in transfer fee's and wages to achieve, Ka ching
The prize money difference in PL 1st and 4th is peanuts compared to wages and transfer spending savings Ka ching.
If football is your love then things don't look to good but if money is your love happy days are here again and again and again and again, they love thge groundhog day syndrome we hate and why wouldn't they!

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06 Nov 2014 19:19:15
g62,

Wenger made that comment under a set of circumstances and in answer to a question.

It has hung like a noose around his neck ever since, he doesn't see it as any kind of trophy but that at that time under those circumstances it was as important to finish fourth as it was to win a trophy.

Nobody accepts fourth as any kind of achievement, it doesn't even get a bronze medal.

If fourth is our lot this season it will be a piss poor excuse for a season that at the start of the summer transfer window promised so much but died with the signing of Welbeck and not a Wanyama.

I don't mind who slates who or what they say about Wenger but to keep trolling up this fourth place trophy stuff is a fruitless pointless exercise.

Wenger simply needs to buy the right players with the money available, if he doesn't or he won't then I also think he should take a running jump.

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06 Nov 2014 20:00:42
Well said RED

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RED

Wenger is supposed to be an intelligent man? He made the comment " 4th place is like winning a trophy" Do not defend the man and I for one will always remind you all of his comment, it is clearly what he and the board think.

Sadly I'm not convinced.

Lets discuss at the end of the season :)

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Brendan Rogers is under pressure in the first few months of his 3rd year charge despite finishing 2nd less than 6 months ago, why?
Football reasons, through his poor transfer dealings and bizarre tactics his position is in question because the club fear the team is going backwards and are ready to act should that continue.
I feel with or without BR Liverpool will be heading in the right direction next season because EVERYONE at Liverpool values success on the field, I'm not convinced at all that we use the same method of measurement as Liverpool Manchester United city and chavs use to gage success

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RED

What do you mean Wenger needs to buy the right players?

So what has stopped him. .Bouldy??

I don't get where you are going with that comment.

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06 Nov 2014 21:22:36
Banbury,

I endeavour to remain positive about Arsenal, the comment was said in a context to me that money dictated that the quality of player we could buy meant that fourth place was an achievement, whether the press and opposing fans then love to twist it to be a stick to beat him with is down to the individual.

It's one of a number of pitiful things that people beat Wenger with.

We now have money, we now have no reason to see finishing within the top four or actually the dreaded fourth as any kind of achievement and if Wenger fails to buy the right players as in the top drawer defender, the top drawer defensive midfielder along with a better striker as a bare minimum then we will continue to achieve phuck all.

I might be positive but I don't fail to see where we need to up the anti I just don't need to find numerous sticks to beat the man with.

He has this 3 year contract and will be going nowhere, I am not happy we are making do with Metesacker, Arteta and Flamini, I don't like that we bought Welbeck who will never amount to the striker we need and the sooner we replace the likes of Rosicky, Podolski and a few others that currently contribute little then I will be a whole lot happier.

But that's life and I don't have the power of 5 or 6 billion in the bank to do any other than support Arsenal.

Pretty simple really ;-)

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Red that's a very fair post mate, I Admire your outlook and positivity mate and your ability to see what is happening/missing/needed but not let it get to you too much.
I'm devastated dissolutioned defeated by the continued lack of acceptance by Arsene to change tact and do what is needed not what he wants things to be.
Respect to you Red

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If I was as rich as koronke i'd of won the league with arsenal by now. Why because I care and want us to win the big titles etc

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06 Nov 2014 17:29:41
DAGS
The only way for things to change is for us to suddenly lose income and limelight from the CL .

STONER
I understand what you are saying but Wenger either has to change this pathetic policy he has with regards type of player he buys and style of football. The man has moaned about his defence yet how many times did he stand in the Technical area and sort it out. silence :)

I think someone else said we don't want to be as bad as Man U???eh we already are and for those thinking differently WAKE UP . or better still wait until we play them in a couple of weeks.

I also read somewhere that we need CL football to attract the likes of Sanchez?? Agree but how long do you think it will be before he leaves if we fail to deliver, Arsenal need to win trophies to KEEP the big names, 4th place is not . repeat not a trophy. How many players have left because we can't win a raffle??

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Its a terrible situation Banbury but I don't disagree we have to go backwards before we will ever go forward, shame on the people who call the tune
As bad as utd? Next season we will be firmly back in their shadow because they are in repair mode wether peoplle like it or not they are and we are in a state of constant continuation of the status quo that is just enough to keep the money coming in and as little going out as possible.
Until the cash cow stops giving its extra rich cream nothing will change

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Totally agree 62 that is exactly how it is, we need to go back to improve .

And yes Man U will take their customary position above us next season if we are not careful.

Maybe Wenger will point a finger at the FFP . snigger

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After a year of everyone pulling in different directions in Fergie absence like naughty school boys united have installed a new headmaster who insists on total control and instant sacking of anyone who doesn't give him their total backing.
The manager board players who survive and fans are totally all pulling in the one direction of their team getting back to the top on the field of play, everyone is working 100% to that aim, there's every chance they'll get what they hope for with that plan

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06 Nov 2014 15:10:42
Seeing the result of yesterday's poll it is obvious to most fans that Arsenal lack bite in midfield and also some good old fashioned hard but fair defenders.
I am of a certain age where I remember the famous chant "1-0 to the Arsenal" meaning once they scored, no goals were let in.
I note that Wenger is looking at Van Dijk of Celtic, having watched him regularly for Celtic, he is a classy defender good on the ball but at 22 he is prone to both ball watching and getting caught out of position, now he is in the Dutch squad he will improve.
The Celtic player Arsene Wenger should have bought was Wanyama, now with Southampton, he can play defensive midfield in a holding position or even central midfield and boy can he tackle, and as he has shown recently in EPL he can shoot also.

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Those two, at this time, would be dream signings! Just curious Tim, at the moment, Lennon or Delia?

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06 Nov 2014 14:42:03
On a lighter note did anyone else think Peaky Blinders when the Anderlecht midfielder touched the ball? Any more looky likeys?
COYG

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Keowen and Dixon are the Righteous Brothers and (they never open to their eyes anymore when they watch us play, there's no optimism in their lips like there was before, they've lost that Wenger feeling )

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06 Nov 2014 14:42:03
On a lighter note did anyone else think Peaky Blinders when the Anderlecht midfielder touched the ball? Any more looky likeys?
COYG

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06 Nov 2014 10:50:46
In his autobiography, SAF dedicated a chapter to AW, he admitted there was a time he had sleepless night on how to beat arsenal, he indirectly admitted that arsenal where superior to MU, he took it up as a do able task to decode arsenal, and what did he found out, he wrote, wenger never changes tactics, he love's to attack with a very high backline, so what does he do, plot out a way to break there attack and strile them fast on the counter, ever since then wenger has remained in the shadow of SAF, many years after that wenger still refuse to change, and the same result persist, obviously other managers have read that part of SAF book, we saw the result severaly last season, liverpool did it, man city did it, chelsea did it, even everton did it too, and just last tuesday we saw it happen again, and we have a proffesor of economics who decided not to read that one chapter, a proffesor of economics who refused to apply economics on his leaky defence.an educated man is the man who is educated enough to listen to an opposing arguement and is humble enough to accept a superiour arguement.God help my belove arsenal

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06 Nov 2014 12:13:17
Great post mate.

Sadly true.

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I think you're looking a bit too much on the outside mate.

Im not a wenger fan at the moment, but the team he had then and the team he has now? big difference.

some of the best players in the EPL played in our team then.

now only a few would even make that team, forgive me I mean only one. and that's Sanchez.

Ramsey off form, cazorla massively off form, too many injury plagued players, and too many players not worthy to wear an Arsenal shirt. Arteta, Flamini, Monreal, Podolski, Giroud, just to name a few.

also if you want my honest opinion, wenger did not bring cesc because it would halt ramseys progress I assume, and its done that anyway.

too many players need to be loved, if I had that treatment at work i'd be sitting with my legs up.

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06 Nov 2014 16:47:58
Harsh on Giroud.

Without him the last few seasons we would be screwed.

Signed the same time as Podolski, Podolski got all the plaudits, Giroud gave us a starting player.

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Nothing against giroud or poldi, I do not dislike them.

its just that when you look at what we had and what we have now, we are a shadow of a team.

we do have a lot of promise but we all know how that goes.

we have sanchez. we need to build on that. and playing ozil the right way would be a start.

lets see how the season goes.

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06 Nov 2014 08:17:11
Cannot agree more with Gunner 62 re AW, and I am even more confused when AW suggests bringing in better defenders may NOT be necessary. Just what planet is he on?

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It is indeed extremely odd, but not surprising that Wenger doesn't believe we need more defenders. We desperately need an additional centre back & a quality defensive midfield player, ideally 2 of each. Flamini is awful. Arteta not much better & Monreal a liability. None would be in the squads of Chelsea or Man C.

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Now I obviously don't agree with AW, however I could point out that Man City had at least 2 central defenders playing last night, along with a midfield protector, that most on here would snap your arm off for Arsenal to sign, and yet there were still useless and lost. I personally don't think the signing of another CD will make any real difference unless we start remembering how to defend as a team. If you keep allowing the other team to double up on your fullback (or worse have no fullback because he is playing as a winger), and don't bother to stop crosses, oh and have central midfielders that keep ending up on the wrong side of the attacker. then you could have the worlds best two central defenders, and they will still be ripped apart. .

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Right on Epping! Let's get it together.

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06 Nov 2014 07:48:19
Tell me something. It's depressing enough when there is no Premiership football on due to International fixtures.
But putting that aside do we really need to be playing an International friendly against Scotland! Nov 18 th 3 days after the Slovenia game on the 15th Nov? .
This would be the perfect excuse for Wenger and any right minded manager or player to fake an injury.
What is the FA thinking about?

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Internationals bore me. I hever watch them. No interest at all

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06 Nov 2014 12:57:46
I think there needs to be a specific squad for any Internationals involving us and Scotland and it should consist of Ryan Shawcross, Lee Catermole, Joey Barton, Nigel Benn, Phil Jones, Wayne Rooney, John Terry, James Milner, Audley Harrison, Fraser Forster, Kevin Nolan and anyone else who'd rather scrap than play football.

Maybe Vinny Jones, Stuart Pearce and David Batty on the bench!

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Wenger faking an injury would make no difference. He was a mediocre footballer and 65 years old so I doubt Hodgson would consider him for selection. Besides I believe he is French which might disqualify him, unless he has an English grandmother maybe?

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Wenger faking an injury would make no difference. He was a mediocre footballer and 65 years old so I doubt Hodgson would consider him for selection. Besides I believe he is French which might disqualify him, unless he has an English grandmother maybe?

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06 Nov 2014 16:25:06
Peanuts,

I think Goldboy meant Wenger to fake an injury for an Arsenal player, so they don't play an pick up an injury.

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Sorry Dags, it was tongue in cheek and I couldn't resist it mate:)

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{Ed007's Note - That's far too subtle for Dags to spot. His humour level is still kicking about at the 'Knock Knock' stage.}

06 Nov 2014 21:24:03
Sorry peanuts, went totally over my head lol :-) .

Love the name BTW.

Thanks a lot Ed007 lol

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06 Nov 2014 07:28:44
I'm not going mad seriously!
On current form only and what I have seen lately
Sanchez or Messi?
For me, I would choose Sanchez.
Also I would say that the way Sanchez has been performing
lately you could put another 20 million at least on his worth in the transfer market.
What do you all reckon?

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06 Nov 2014 12:15:22
Goldboy,

The fact we can even dream of comparing the 2 is great in itself.

Oh yeah, Sanchez for me.

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