Arsenal Banter Archive April 07 2014

07 Apr 2014 22:43:32
Hello Heybridge,

Sorry mate, have only just seen your post.

Well, in that case mate, let's hope we stuff Wigan, lol.

07 Apr 2014 21:28:50
Wenger has to go. The footballing world has caught up with him, and completely eclipsed him. and he's too stubborn to adapt.

People will say, who can replace him?

Garcia, Martinez (I was wrong about him), Klopp, Conte, Weinzierl, Simeone, Low, De Boer, etc.

Plenty of capable managers that would not only do a better job, have an actual game plan, spend money available, and all for less wages than Wenger. Maybe they'd even sort that flight medical team out.

Wenger is beyond negligent. How can Tony Pulis send a team out and beat Chelsea and we go out and get pillaged? Embarrassing, and it's not just a one-off either. He should of been out the door after the 8-2 at Utd.


A new manager, and four/five top signings with pace and power.

EG:-

Klopp.

Casillas, Pizczek, Pogba, Di Maria, Lukaku.

07 Apr 2014 22:01:39
Gold's,

Sorry mate, just seen your message to me.

RE Sanogo.

Is he good enough for Arsenal? No, of course not.
Does anybody blame him? No, of course not.

He could be the right player for us, but just at the wrong time.

Here is, IMO, our problem.
We play 4-5-1, therefore our striker, if we want to win thing's, has to be an out and out goal machine, a goal a game kinda guy.
Suarez? Hell yes. Aguero? Hell yes. Diego Costa? Hell yes.

We dont, nor never will, have those kind of players upfront for us.
I love Giroud. He has had to lead the line all season, probably the hardest position on the pitch, alone.

His ratio is 1 in 2, not too bad at all, but he's not the aforementioned strikers, is he?

Who will play back-up to Giroud?
Dzeko? Class striker but why would he leave City 'reserves' to play in Arsenal 'reserves'?
Mandzukic? Same. Remy? Same. Higuain? Same. The list is endless.

If a striker is happy to play back-up to the first choice striker, than he can't be very good, and if he isn't very good, than I don't want him at Arsenal.

Sanogo could be the perfect back-up striker because he is young, is willing to learn his trade at Arsenal and is happy, for now, to wait his turn.

But, we need a top back-up striker, and we needed him 3 or 4 months ago, hence why we are struggling.

I would never say a bad word about Sanogo. Gold's I know when you slag Sanogo off, you are not directing at him personally, you are just venting your frustration, like the rest of us.

Personally, Arsene Wenger is to blame.

I know its frustration, I just hope he never reads this site, because like you say it isn't his fault. Me personally I think giroud is not worthy of starting a game, I think podolski is a 5 or 6 out of 10 performer, give him a shot on his left foot, goal, but that's it. Does sanogo who was denied a perfectly good goal by a linesman the other day, which was closer than the other two got deserve support. Yes. I hope he proves to be our saviour and if he plays he's not taking anyone's place who we will miss too much. For now we need a new hero and because of the situation we are in it just might be him. i'm afraid at the moment I don't see too many hero's on the pitch.

You nailed it. Giroud is great maybe he should be the backup and we would be fine.

Sanogo could start the league cup and reserves and make the bench in case of injury.

Starting striker aside those you mentioned, RVP type but not RVP or Drogba but not Drogba. I would like an established veteran with a few good seasons left, he would also help settle the side.

One thing - I think we are a lot closer than most the boys are very talented - they just need a leader ;-))

07 Apr 2014 19:19:11
GOONERLINK. On your question to
me on why I believe Sanogo is not good enough for us. Experience tells me mate. That's how I think I can tell.
And the fact that at the moment every time he is on the pitch he looks as good as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest. Can't keep making excuses for him by saying he needs more time, as we haven't got more time! time is running out rapidly. Look at it this way we have Giroud as a main striker. let's have it right for a club of our magnitude that's pretty poor on its own. But we have him regardless. Surely if you are going to have a back up its got to be somebody a bit better than a player from the French second division who is injury prone? Do you think that Arsenal would have had him if they had to pay for him? When Bayern saw Sanogos name on the team sheet they must have been rubbing their hands together. I know I would. I would be putting Podolski in place of him all day long. Matter of fact lately I would be replacing Giroud with Podolski and why not? 112 senior German caps. You don't get them for nothing. Sorry mate I think Sanogo is embarrassing. But there you go it's all about opinions.

{Ed025's Note - he was described in one post as...bambi on ice..im with you goldboy...not good enough..

He ain't ready to set the world on fire and probably never will be, but he has come in to a side in desperately poor form and doing what he can.
Do I think he will be the real deal? No, but judgement has been passed a little early on a young lads career

{Ed025's Note - fair comment G62..

Golds, you are very sexy when you get angry lol

Im not disagreeing to anything you are saying golds, apart from letting you know I mean having sanogo as our backups backup isn't a terrible thing, I think he's better than park and bendter.

LOL Dags. I'm not angry you know that. It's true though, come on let's be real. An Arsenal striker? Get real. Ed 025 thanks for the support in the last couple of posts it's appreciated.

God help any young kid who plays for us, let's hope he gets a hat trick straight away. Blimmey he's done no worse than any of the others and unlike them given a chance he might improve.

Steve, I totally respect you mate, but you are missing Gold's point and indeed the point of the post.

Gold's is saying that we shouldn't have to rely on some young, inexperienced, injury prone kid, who has come to us from the 2nd tier of the French League.

Nobody is blaming Sanogo, or even comparing him to anybody.

The kid is 2 or 3 years away from being top-class and the kind of player I want to see leading the line against Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool etc.

That's not good enough. We needed somebody 3 or 4 months ago to help Olly out, not 2 or 3 years time.

Neither of umm is arsenal class

but what is arsenal class these days

we're way past the days of henry and that's the sad fact


if you all remember henry was rubbish but well look how he flipped that on us

i say give sanogo a chance what I want rid of is giroud he ain't a top league striker

he scores at home and not seen away from home its likr 10 men away

Quite a few mixed opinions and that's good. That's what it's all about. But I think we are all agreeing on the same thing but in different ways. It looks to me that we may all agree on one thing, as Dags said, this striker issue should have been sorted out months ago. If we! can see that why can't the people in charge see it? I've said it before there is something going on we are not party too. Clubs like ours shouldn't ever be having a problem with having a list of top strikers on the books. Tell me this so what's gone wrong?. We never seemed to have this problem years ago. Look at the players we had then. Players would abandon their families to play for Arsenal. It's even more strange when you look at how far we are supposed to have come. Dare I say it again? New stadium, fabulous facilities, higher salaries. There was a time when if a player was asked to play for Arsenal they would sign up and worry about the salary afterwards. We didn't need to go looking. Our front line use to be feared. I can go back to the days of John Radford, Charlie George, so on and so on. When Arsenal lined up opposing teams knew they had a problem on their hands. But over the last few years its become " Oh we've got Arsenal this week, good team but we can roll them" and it's happening too, we can all see that. I will always support Arsenal no matter what it's like a disease but I will always keep my opinions real. I'm not going to come on here and say we are the best thing since sliced bread when the bread is turning stale. We all have our ideas on what should happen next . Do we test the water? secure a new manager? Do we honestly know Wenger is at fault or is he being manipulated? in some way. I worry about one thing though, and that is if we don't make the CL next season, and this is how we performed whilst we were in it, then it could become a very sorry state of affairs next season.

07 Apr 2014 18:44:20
The questions about Arsene's future have to be asked given the inept performances against the EPL top sides, but I feel the players have lacked effort grit and desire in these games too.

Liverpool away I wrote off as a bad day at the office but what's followed at Chavski and Everton has been much more worrying and infuriating.
If you was a player and had to endure that humiliation and let the fans manager and club down that badly how hard would you work to make sure it didn't happen again.

Arsene has to face the camera's and the questions but I feel the players are at least 50% to blame

Totally agree G62.

But, come on mate, they are only on £70,000-£100,000 each.

What do you want, blood?

(smiles)

No doubt its the players fault but end of the day wenger not fixed the glaring problems

hence i'm wenger out

Fair point DG, there are two sides to every story mate.
Its good of them to even turn up for that, I apologize as sometimes I let my passion for Arsenal get the better of me.
Not something I would accuse some of the team of, if they show as much passion in the bedroom their parents will never be grandparents that's for sure

07 Apr 2014 16:49:05
Just wondered what people thought regarding transfers this summer. With the reported £100m knocking about in the bank what approach would you want to see?

Personally I'd like to see Premiership experienced, hungry (British if possible) young players come in. I thought we lacked desire against Everton and for me, Barkley summed up the fact that he, and the whole Everton team wanted it more.

The likes of Lukaku, Lallana, Coleman, Barkley would be great additions and all wouldn't cost eye watering amounts for their ability. Also, they weaken other teams in the league. Something we've had done to us by our rivals and we wonder why we can't beat city Chelsea or Manchester United when we sell them our best players in recent years!

I'd also like a bit of class like Gundagon, Bender, Cavani or Benzema to come in. Players with the X factor that can lift everyone.

Thoughts on this you good looking bunch!

Unless we get a manager who can motivate these players it's futile.

Imho we need a.
GK) Szcz isn't good enough
RB x 2) Sagnas leaving, Jenkinson isn't good enough, even as back up
CB) Vermaelen is leaving- even if he isn't, he's not good enough
CM/DM) Arteta isn't good enough
LW) Podolski isn't good enough
Cf x 2) Giroud isn't good enough, even as a spare.

8 players.
Even a motivated manager will struggle to bring in 8 good players in a transfer window- and £100m divided by 8 players does not get you top top qualidee in any case

Bang on Greeny mate our players lack desire and while Everton players wanted to please their fans and manager too many of ours didn't care about either, again.
They are Arsene's players so he has to share with them the shame they continue to bring to Arsenal football club.

Original
Totally Agree their not part of a top of the table side over 38 games.

Good post Greeny

07 Apr 2014 12:01:08
The eds did me a favour by not posting my earlier post. I have just been discussing Spurs with a friend and had Daviel Levy on my mind. If my post does get up it should read Kroenke

{Ed025's Note - I thought so mate.

It is on the other page, I wondered what Levy had to do with it

You are right Kroenke is probably what is holding us back

Lets hope usmanov can atleast throw his sugar money at kronke and make him go away.

I want all the money down to the last penny the club make to sign players. not for interest on that money. the players are the asset.

07 Apr 2014 07:59:06
Dags . In answer to your question. Contrary to popular belief I've never really been sure whether we should be rid if Wenger. I would say yes let's see if a new broom sweeps clean but to be honest like who?. Who is available of the calibre we would all like to see at the helm, not who we would all like to have. Also, I believe that it's not just Wenger he is just a part of a package we also have to look at the people above him. It no good getting Wenger out the door unless we address what's going on in the boardroom too. I believe we are hoping that a new manager will arrive with a majic wand but! like any new players its going to take time for him to bed in. Also if we don't qualify for the CL it's a double whammy top players are not going to be knocking on our door to play for us unless they have one foot in the grave or we start paying ridiculous wages all of a sudden which I don't think is going to happen. So a new manager is going to have his work cut out. For the last few years Wenger has become a footballing accountant but its now biting us on the backside on the pitch. Yes, financially we are being told we are sitting pretty lovely stadium etc etc. have we been penny wise pound note foolish? Look at the Suarez scenario as an example what was all that about? We all know that we should have gone in and bid sensible and he would have been an Arsenal player and! Suarez wanted to be in a CL team and! he was getting stick where he was and! supposedly, he was keen to come to us. Well, if we couldn't secure that deal we had or still have a problem no doubt in my mind.
Wenger Out!? Well I'd love to see someone with new ideas Dags but as I said before " Who is available that is top notch. Not who we would like to see".

{Ed025's Note - good post that goldboy..

Ed025 just hit that nail on the head. Great post Gold's mate, as usual.

07 Apr 2014 09:21:46
I agree with all except that you need a top class manager to come in etc.
B.R was unproven at any sort of level, Martinez is doing very well.
All the Top class managers start something, so rather than look for someone really high up there, you could look a little lower.
Gamble I suppose, paid off for us after 4 highly experienced managers,
Looks like it's paid off for Everton too, but perhaps not so much with Spurs, we won't know till he gets a window and a transfer season however.
Uniteds getting Moyes instead of a Klopp or Klinsman has obviously fallen flat on its face.
Gamble I guess boys.
As you rightly say though, dropping out of the UCL has some pretty serious ramifications all round.
In terms of England retaining 4 places, it wouldn't be brilliant if you guys dropped out of the competition for next season.
Ourselves and Everton if they beat you too it, would likely be 4th seeds therefore find it very tough to progress.
City are awful in Europe.
That would just leave Chelsea leading the charge.
As I say, 2 new English entrants to the champions league could have further, bigger consequences for English football.

I think klopp would take the job. but end of the day to compete at the top we need koronke out. simple

Top post Golds.

Manager I want would be Klopp. Tactically very good. Has an eye for a player. Young, fresh, well spoken (multi lingual) not a walking sound byte like Jose etc.

He would definitely be available considering his team are being harvested by Bayern Munich and he wants to test himself in England.

Just my humble opinion.

Superb post. I am of the opinion that major changes are needed NOW. AW has turned the club around but the comment of penny wise pound foolish is exactly correct. We have everything, stadium, money etc but we have all stated so many times in the next window we will get the players we need. But, time after time, we have NOT employed the players AW identified simply because of the reluctance to spend. Is it to line the boards pockets, or just AW's stubbornness. I do not pretend to know, but whatever the answer, the team has NOT improved and certainly there appears to be a major problem with confidence and pride. We are NOT the major power we should be, and we will go down further if we do not qualify for the CL. I do not want AW to leave the club but I do feel a new manager/coach is required, though WHO is yet another problem. New ideas ARE needed and a fresh approach is overdue. Wer have all commented everyone knows exactly how to play and beat us, new ideas must employed and I am sorry to suggest that I feel AW's systems are now out of date.

07 Apr 2014 10:33:51
Who is available who will improve us? The truth is you make people available. You go up to Klopp, Martinez (yes Martinez), Joachim Loew, Jupp Heynckes, Ve Boer and Bergkamp, and offer them two fat cheques. The first being how much they'll get in their bank account. Even if we offered a obscene amount to make sure we got our man. It would still be less then we give Wenger. The second cheque being how much they've got to spend on the team. 100m plus any funds you get from selling players. In that respect we are a catch of a club.

Further down there is a post saying "you don't know what you've got. Look at Moyes at Manchester united." Which is a good but predictable point. We can get around that by not employing Moyes. I truely believe that the names I mentioned would play the kind of football we want to see, and also improve us tactically.

Look at Martinez for example. If he had our squad, plus brought in a world class striker, which we can afford and strengthened in all the other areas. We would improve.
"But if Wenger had a world class striker we would improve." I hear you cry. Absolutely, but do I trust Wenger to go out and buy one? No, I believe he will buy a striker who may become world class in five years time, and we'll see them be class at another club, because they want to "win something."

Also I think the same poster said "If you didn't have all those injuries throughout the years". Absolutely! Has it all been just bad luck? I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it. There is something seriously wrong with our set up. The training, the medical team, the diet. Unfortunately when you play a dictatory role within a club, you'll find that all roads lead to you.

I'm tired of players that are needed to improve us not brought in because the club are after 2m more then Wenger thinks their worth. Just get Schneiderlein! Is he a improvement on Arteta and Flamini?
When Lehmann retired, how many of us would have stuck with Almunia for as long as he did?
Santos?
Djourou and Bendtner were never going to be good enough. We knew that three seasons ago. So why are they still at the club? Probably because we offered them a wage that they didn't deserve and no other club would be foolish enough to match.

And breath
Flybo

{Ed025's Note - flybo, you need to be logged in to post, they will have to be deleted unless you are mate..ii

Cheers ed for letting that one through. I think I sometimes lose wifi connection during typing which doesn't help.
Flybo

{Ed025's Note - ok mate.

Wengers time is up. he will go I think and take the france job.

I hope we finish 5th it will push koronke out and we will get usmanov in who can free spend.

klopp to take over I hope and i'd love reus to join him

I don't think holding on to the top 4, getting into the champions league and getting knocked out in the qualifying round is ambition either.

The risks wenger has taken are his own.

he says the money is there, the clubs says the money is there, spending 42.5 million shows there is money.

Im happy we bought ozil, as much as everyone wants to criticize him, I think he will come good. he has proven himself and he will do so again.

however having players like cazorla, and playing him on the wing baffles me.

playing giroud when he is not in form, he can't hold the ball, can't head the ball, can't pass the ball, can't shoot, what is the point in playing with 10 men everygame?

Is he playing giroud cause he wants him to have confidence playing for france?

Poldi should have been the striker since Jan.

Ox should have started besides flamini, or rosicky alongside flamini and ox on the wing.

wenger;s tactics are too stale. the team does not seem to want it, or feel they have this self entitlement to be in the top 4.

the wigan game is going to be huge, they will want to beat us and the arsenal players will be running scared. No characters, no charisma, no mental strength.

If this summer wenger does not intend on buying a world class striker he should go.

spend 70 mill if need be and buy cavani or falcao or whoever is out there, the money is there, but if he feels the risk is too big, his ambitions do not match ours.

had we put 10-15 mill more for suarez he would be playing for us, instead wenger felt it was a gamble and the only team it played well for was liverpool.

This team has won nothing and until we buy some winners we are not going to win anything.

ramsey, wilshere, walcott, have never lasted an entire season and relying mainly on the midfield to win the title was his mistake.

we should have paid for draxler, he would have given us width and pace.

I still feel we will get top 4, as our run in is much easier to everton, but we seem to shoot ourselves in the foot and we are one loss away from everton taking 4th spot.

im waiting to see how the FA cup pans out and if we can't beat wigan, i'm sorry I want wenger to leave. not because we will get a new manager who will win titles but we need something new.

atleast the fans can see the depth of the issues. right now we blame the manager, if the manager changes and the new man also does not spend we know its the board, but until we get to the root of the problem we can't assume and presume and let be how it is.

just read we should get dein back. why? why are we looking for the past? we should be moving ahead, we should be innovative, not looking to live of past glories.

The board better start looking for a replacement, and the fans need to make it clear. if the new man is unknown, does nothing to start of with, ask for his head, until we get the man to lead us somewhere.

if missing out on the champions league means selling ozil then so be it. I don't see the point of having a world class no 10, and a striker who can't tie his own shoe laces.

Good post. I think on the wages we pay, quite a few top managers will be willing to come and enhance their reputation at our little club. On the board, I moan about them being money men, old farts with no idea of football, but then again, I think that is 99% of all teams, with a few exceptions. I think when you have been with the same person a long time it is hard to let go especially when you have great respect. It's the same in football as it is with your car when the engine has gone you put a new one in or you replace the car. I'm sorry wenger s engine has gone. Time to look forward.

Sorry Pete B. but we just do not know the players that Wenger has identified other than Ozil (who we got) and Suarez (who we didn't). All others mentioned are identified by us on this board or by the press. We cannot say for sure that Wenger actually wanted any of them.

Golds- I think managers will be available if the club approached them. Sure perhaps not every manager we could think of, but certainly some good mangers.

There is money- in fact from this summer onwards a significant amount for transfers will be made available- so I don't think it's the board per se.

I just think we need change and a new manger to take the club into a new era.

But I absolutely agree with you- a new manger could well take time to adapt and to stamp their mark on the club, etc.

So as fans we have to be prepared for that, IF a new manger is appointed.

If we actually have that 100odd million to spend, I expect Klopp, Jogi Lowe, Martinez to sign up. their ambitions would just get a bit easier. yet I expect our manager next year to be Steve Bould, mainly because the board are inept. They can't make any decisions considering our fate for last few years.

Good post Golds, their are no guarantees no matter who you appoint but what do we do?
Hope against hope that Arsene will get it right in the 11th hour and 59th minute.

Hi All,

Liverpool fan here.

I think you are all being too hard on AW. I personally rate him as one of the greatest managers in the game and would have loved to see him at Liverpool if we didn't have BR.

AW fields and builds (keyword being builds) teams that are consistantly challenging with very little spending. plus you guys play an attractive brand of football. Arsene is brlliant at producing world class footballers ( Van Persi, Henry, Fabregas. ) and does all this while making you a financially healthy and profitable club

If you were not hit with so many injuries you would still be challenging for the title. I think Arsenal needs to have a long hard look at their medical and fitness staff because they've been letting you guys down for as long as I can remember. We had the same issue a few years You probably need 1 or 2 signings at most.

PS - Can you please let us have the Ox next season :)?

Arsene builds teams and produces world class footballers – unfortunately if you do some analysis you’ll see that he’s signed way more donkeys than he has world beaters, his transfer record is shocking for a club our size. He also doesn’t build teams, certainly not for Arsenal anyway….Petit, Viera, Gio, Henry, Fab, Clichy, Nasri, Song and then RVP – AW sells all our best players and helps our opponents build teams to win trophies.

With that in mind unfortunately for us I wouldn’t be surprised if you got the Ox next year!

Arsene OUT!

I just want him to win a trophy and leave us on a high note. may not be the best sending off, but I think he needs to let someone else take us to the next level.

Its a young mans game and the stress, abuse and pressure involved should not be associated to a 64 year old man. Thank you Arsene, and we will never forget, but your welcome back anytime.