Arsenal Banter Archive October 07 2014

07 Oct 2014 20:05:39
People should realise just how great arsene wenger actually is. I can't wait to see how even more poorly tottenham do when they move in to their new stadium and when liverpool make their move. I can guarantee their managers will not bring as much success and competitiveness his team did. Arsene could go to any team in the world if he left arsenal. But he would not leave when he knows arsenal are going to start spending so we know they can compete.He would be the most wanted manager of all time. This article is a joke. How could one PUSH cause national news to be made. We will see how he is a better manager than mourinho when arsenal start spending not as much but still similar to chelsea. If chelsea do not win the league this year, mourinho can not even be compared to arsene wenger because he has spent astronomical amounts on not only his first team squad but his bench as well. People forget wenger is an INVINCIBLE. That will never be matched no matter how much money is spent.

That's funny Steve I was only saying to the missus last night how we should sell the house both cars and invest all the money Woolworths, they once ruled the high Street so surely they must be a good bet to do so again.
Picn mix is the future, isn't it?

07 Oct 2014 20:43:49
Great banter
Arsene wenger is not exactly doing a bad job is he. Top 4 every year and last year he and the squad showed arsenal will compete very soon. To be top for half the year, win a fa cup and a community shield is not bad going compared to how much chelsea and man city have spent.

07 Oct 2014 21:07:43
Chelsea fan here, just wanted to give my two cents on this debate. First of all I've a lot of respect for wenger the way he built the stadium and kept the club in the champions league eith a very modest budget, I doubt any other manager in the world could of done this. But since jose came back the net spend at both clubs have been similar and I read that arsenals wage bill is higher. Also Joses 2 champions league wins came at clubs who also had modest budgets compared to chelsea and real, esp porto. I don't really think you can say joses only sucessful when he has an unlimited budget

Sadly for us Steve they don't award the premier league to the Top four team that spends the least but only the one that gains the most points.
Last season city and chavs had new managers but still finished above us and 12 months on the gap between us and them hasn't shrunk.
We missed a chance summer 13 to go for it while others were vulnerable and in summer 14 we again didn't get the man we needed instead we got the man Arsene wanted.
Sanchez is a great signing don't get me wrong but we needed a DM so much more, Sanchez as well as but not instead of.
Its a dwindling group that out side our club who still think Arsene is a top manager, more and more teams know how to stop the Wenger way easily now

Just read an article in a newspaper. Last three transfer windows our net spend 20 mil higher than chelski, our wage bill higher than chelski. Truth is moureen has bought better and got rid of better than wenger. Maureen is current wenger past. Sorry it is a falacy about money, it about balance and know how. The transition is finished now and we can debate all we like but wengers philosophy is now questioned by many and the flaws are glaring.

Steve91 wenger did a great job in helping us move and keeping us in the champions league. we will always remember him for that and a statue of him should be outside the stadium. leaving with the fa cup would of been the perfect ending

but he needs a new challange and I think the psg job will be available in the summer again and he should take it. we need new direction also. all good things come to an end

wenger won't win the premier league again

If Arsene were to commit 100% to buying a DM I and many others would be ready to back him again, but all the time he continues to believe Arteta and Flamini are up to the job I find it impossible to get excited about our chances of doing anything serious under Arsene ever again.
Some times people need to see change to believe change is possible and that's where I'm at personally with Arsene and so are many people in football where the general consensus of opinion is Arsene is to stubborn to change

I agree gunner62

No disputing Wenger DID a great job during the stadium move with a very limited buget however now he has had the funds for at least 1 transfer window to buy to compete with the likes of Chelsea and Man city.

He spent heavily on Ozil then plays him out of position, he did not address our defensive midfield issue, he has a very poor record against the top 4 teams, this is all Management factors NOT money factors and he has seriously under performed.

The question that needs answering is do we and more imprtantly the board believe he is now the right man to right the wrongs? I would say from past 12 months NO is the answer he had big chances last year when all the top teams except Liverpool were poor and going through their own transitional period we fell short and this transfer window he badly managed that too, I for one am tired of reading his targets for January for me it is too late. I understand "be careful what you wish for" but the time has come, Thanks Mr Wenger I was lucky to grow up in the era that you came along, but it is like staying in a relationship that is long died, short term painful but long term gain.

Bang on there shaneyd

07 Oct 2014 14:03:35
Hi dudes and duettes

As our team stands right now, with Mourinho at the helm would we be top of the league? Would we win the league? Could he get the best out of what I think is a brilliant team?
Alternatively, say Wenger was manager of Chelsea, would they still be sitting pretty top of the league?

Interesting thoughts to ponder :)

If maureen was manager you can bet your bottom dollar certain players either wouldn't play or wouldn't be here.
Hes ruthless as we saw when he dumped mata.
And if he thought mata wasn't good enough he'd think the same on podolski, diaby, arteta, flamini, and if we are beinf brutally honest giroud, rosicky, gibbs and mertesacker.

Hed also have bought the players to play his system

So if he had taken over arsenal at the time he took over chelsea I strongly suspect the team we know would be very, very different

Mourinho would succeed at Arsenal, he would set the team up correctly and weed out the players that aren't up to the job. Wenger wold turn Chelsea into Arsenal.
Wenger has tended to remain loyal to certain players. Would Mourinho have Arteta or Flamini at Chelsea?
Wenger needs to revert to the tactics and type of players that succeeded in the early years. We need a couple of monsters in midfield.

If their roles were reversed podolski, diaby, arteta, flamini, giroud, rosicky, gibbs and mertesacker would end up playing for Chelsea lol

Do you genuinely think Maureen would have stuck around when we had next to nothing for transfers whilst the stadium was being done. Maureen is a great manager with unlimited funds but give him a budget and I think he'll struggle. Personally I'd have wenger with at arsenal anyday!

JOSE is a winner so he would of left in the dark days yes. but if I was an arsenal player I would of left too.

if wenger was at chelsea same time jose has just took over again they wouldn't have matic right now. jose knows what players to sign and how to balance a team

07 Oct 2014 11:20:20
Hey,

I am a Manchester United fan, in peace!! Lol
i haf a question that has been puzzling me from quite some time, it pertains to jenny and gunner62 so here it goes,
Last year was our worst team in over two decades, we were breaking unwanted records, getting beaten by everyone under the sun, and yet we beat Arsenal at home, (the only team above us we beat) and away we could have won.
and yet this year with the attacking talent we have picked up u remain confident of beating us hands down. how?
mind u our defence was as bad last year but moyes took so much blame for our rubbishty play nobody noticed so don't gimme that.
our defence is inexperienced yes. a weakness.
I am not saying we are going to blow you about. but honestly I just don't understand how this year your more confident than the last about just us. forget everything else!!

Cheers!

07 Oct 2014 12:05:49
The Draw last year we should have won. And when you won last year it was shock horror.

You won't sit back and defend like other teams and will attack - this will give us space - this will give us goals.

Your latest saviour Paddy McWho? is now also injured.

You won't defend because you can't - We have pace and will be so up for this game.

Welbeck double hattrick 6-0

Now crawl back to where you came from. Probably London.

Hi DR Fair question that mate.
Last year I couldn't believe we lost to you because you were there for the taking when we came to you but we paid you to much respect, in the home game we were shot as far as the title was concerned and a point suited both teams.
Fergie did wonders with a very ave united team and left you in a state of disrepair for which Moyes paid the price.
You are certainly on the way back I don't care if its QPR and your keeper had to save you against Everton van Gogh will get it right and the board will give him the dosh and total support to do so.
Next season you will compete against Chavs and city once again but this season we are better than you for one more season and will beat you at home for sure imo.
chavs
city
Arsenal
utd
Is what I thought before a ball was kicked for this season and still do.
The long range forecast for me next season is utd city chavs no particular order and Arsenal Liverpool Everton spurs fight it out for 4th.
Just my view geeza I've been wrong before mind you

Gunner62,

I am not sure but I don't remember the last time we were beaten by you.
atleast not in the last three seasons
but yes I never take it for granted. and sure we may or not have a positive result. Third I think is quite a plausible target for us but unlike u I think city is far ahead of us atleast this season, hopefully we might be able to give them a proper maTCH unlike last season's shameful memory. but thanks for your comments

Rob lil one I ain't from london
ur arrogance is based on?
i didn't gloat or say anything against arsenal or praised my club.
its pathetic that you have to go such lengths. learn some sensible humour from dags
lol.

08 Oct 2014 11:41:31
"Last year was our worst team in over two decades, we were breaking unwanted records, getting beaten by everyone under the sun, and yet we beat Arsenal at home, (the only team above us we beat) and away we could have won."

Oh sorry, you didn't gloat.

It's all Banter one way or the other!

07 Oct 2014 10:13:34
the chelski result was unfortunate for arsenal we were sucker punched twice, apart from that we did fairly well.
all the ozil bashers need to realise the man is not a physical player, he has guile and technique that gives him an extra yard of space to play the killer ball compared to a more physical player, he needs teammates around him to protect him rather than leaving him to be manhandled by defenders. even if it means building a team around him, he will deliver. the tiki taka football we play is slowing our game down, with our pace we should be more direct like we used to be, you think with ox sanchez welbeck ozil and eventually theo, we could me a major counter attacking team.
every man and his dog knows we need a defensive player or two, wengers stubbornness to utilise the so called experience of flamini and arteta is letting us down in the majority of games. flamini didn't play badly but it just so frustrating to know that if we had a fit and able diaby like player who could boss the midfield and have pace and power we would have got a result against chelski, our whole dynamics in midfield is ruining our play, yes we have a plethora of quality midfielders but we can and should only pick players that fit a system rather than putting everyone in to keep them happy.
in many previous posts I have mentioned ox diaby coquelin hayden chambers jack ramsey who I believe can do a better job than either flamini or arteta up until January, we are 9 points behind the leaders, we need to change drastically or we will once again be chasing fourth when in reality with our squad we should be challenging for the title.
wengers actions on sunday ( I don't condone it) but atleast it showed he has balls to confront the arrogant cucking funt mourinho, people may say he lost it but me personally it shows he cares, he may screw up on substitutions or formations but his desire still burns inside. if he could just stick to a winning formation rather than changing it on weekly basis we might just go somewhere.
in the next few weeks why not try a midfield four of: theo ox jack sanchez - with ozil playing behind welbeck, ox has pace and power and is always willing to run back and make interceptions - he would be more suited to a central position because he is always looking to come inside when out wide.

hulk hogunner

07 Oct 2014 09:16:32
I am beginning to realize what a spurs supporter feels like now, such high expectatios in August for it to slowly dwindle and fade away.

Do people agree with me that even the way we play is not as pleasing to the eye as past years?

Yes I agree mate the football hasn't been as attractive this season but where I'm luckier than you is when it became fairly obvious we weren't going to buy a DM before the start of the season I realised hopes of truly competing this season were non existent.
I still think we are and will prove to be the 3rd best team this season which I know ain't bad but still everyone wants their team to be all it could be

07 Oct 2014 08:58:16
I hope I don't get a lot of hate for this and you all respect that this is my opinion but in all honesty I think we need to sell ozil. We spent 42.5 million on this guy and in all honesty he's done next to nothing. All these suggests of drop him for the big games and play him in the rest is bs I mean you spend that much money on a player to beat the mid table teams.no. He's a massive luxury player and he just doesn't give enough on the pitch. It's saddening to think how much better off we'd be if we had cesc and not ozil.

The guy has talent no doubt about it but the fact of the matter is he's just not suited to the premier league and it's time for him to go. I honestly think we need to sell him and replace him with Marco reus, seems the ideal candidate and far more suited to the prem. we cannot afford any luxury players in this game we are arsenal for crying out loud.

Thanks for reading and respecting my opinion

07 Oct 2014 09:55:52
What if Jose comes for him, will u sell?

07 Oct 2014 11:02:20
honestly probably he isn't suited for the prem and wouldn't do well for them, but that's extremely unlikely and wenger wouldnt

OT I totally respect your opinion mate and agree we should sell Ozil in January if Bayern pay £30mil plus.
I'll be sad it didn't work out for him with us and we'll all be screaming at the tv when he rips teams apart for them but he's going no where with us, who's fault that is doesn't really matter the fact is he ain't for us and we certainly ain't for him.
Something just struck me! (0uch) 10 years without a trophy along comes Ozil at £42 mil and one pops up out of no where, I'm not saying he won it for us at all but perhaps well miss him after all and only appreciate him once he's gone, wonder if he will feel the same about us

07 Oct 2014 05:28:13
In January we desperately need to sign two defenders. A right back as cover for Debauchy and a centre back. I see Chambers more as a centre back, than a right back. We need to sign two tall, athletic, strong defensive midfield players. Arteta & Flamini are simply not good enough, would either of them get into any of the top teams? They have 3 international caps between them, whereas the rest of the team are regular selections for their international squads.
We need to look into our formation, which other than last seasons FA Cup has not been a success. The formation leaves the defence, particularly the full backs exposed one on one. They have little protection from the midfield.
I would like to see us revert to a 4-4-1-1 formation.
Keeper-wise, I am not convinced by Szczesny, who still seems immature as a keeper. I will reserve judgement on Ospina, but he is a little short for my liking. I would like to see us sign Begovic.
At full strength the back four picks itself. The midfield could be Walcott (when back), Wilshere, Abu Diaby (if ever fit) & Sanchez. Up front Welbeck with Ozil in the Bergkamp role.

I think the formation and tactics are a big issue and depth. But Chelsea had two shots we had nil, defense is not the issue here its tactics. We have strong offensive players that aren't putting it together. Missing Walcott in a big way and as for Ozil its #10 or bench for me.

Is a CM or Cb going to get us more shots or goals?

The first thing we must do in January is bring Jenks home that's an absolute no brainer then is get the best DM if not two available, if we can't the get very top DM's then get the best we can no more excuses. As long as they are disciplined can tackle without getting a card and can pass five yards accurately they'll do for me and anything more would be a very big bonus.
But as we all know what we should do and what we actually do are usually two entirely different things

07 Oct 2014 09:05:38
Tactics and formation are an issue.

But Robbie you are a little deluded.
Chambers and Bellerin are the right back cover - we don't need another right back before a right back its a left back as it stands. CB yes. We 100% need a CB or 2!

GK? are you kidding me? Shez is #1 (Joint Golden glove last season - would have got it outright if Wenger didn't get sentimental over Fabianski). Ospina is Top class backup. No issue there.

Midfield - totally agree with replacing flamini and arteta as our first choices - Wouldn't mind having them around the club but as long as we get rid of Coquelin and Diaby (lets face it, it's not going to happen there)

Up front we will be ok once Theo is back - its the solidarity and base of midfield that needs improving for now! this will give our players the opportunity to be creative up top and create more chances for our strikers to maybe, just maybe score!

Hi Red Rooster. It's all about confidence mate. Psychologically, our forward players will automatically be under pressure when they know that we are vulnerable at the back and that any counter attack most likely will end up as a goal against us. Our forwards are under added pressure in matches like Chelsea, Man City etc because they know we are not capable of keeping a clean sheet. Big teams find it easy to play against us: absorb pressure and then wait for the sucker punch. Arsenal are not strong enough defensively to play for a goal less draw when push comes to shove

Rob afc - I am not deluded. I would use Chambers as a centre back, not as a right back, except in emergency. I do not believe Bellerin is ready and find him lacking on the defensive side of his game. I would, if possible bring Jenkinson back, so we have 2 right backs when Debauchy is fit. We would have 3 centre backs in Kos, Merte & Chambers & we have two left backs. We would then only need one centre back.
I still have my reservations in respect of our keepers. Szczesny's sending off showed his immaturity and I am not convinced by Ospina. His disribution is poor. In midfield we agree on replacing Arteta & Flamini. I agree that Coquelin should go & reluctantly Abu Diaby. It is going to be mid-October by the time we play again & he hasn't played 90 mins & is still picking up injuries. We need to learn how to use Ozil properly. He is clearly a quality player.