Arsenal Banter Archive August 08 2016

08 Aug 2016 22:50:17
Arsene said today that he spends the clubs money as if it were his own.

We're from two different worlds Arsene, mate.
If I checked my bank and saw £200,000,000 on that screen, I'd probably of spent a few million before breakfast.

Seriously though, the boss needs some sort of filter before he says things, sometimes it's better to say nothing at all!

08 Aug 2016 23:24:05
I believe that he does spend it like he spends his own. To say he's a millionaire, he probably puts a quid into his kid's birthday cards and doesn't believe in the tooth fairy!

08 Aug 2016 23:35:22
Wenger has been listening to Ivan "we can afford to buy anybody" Gazidis.

09 Aug 2016 11:22:26
I've heard that Wenger now wakes up in the night just to check if he has lost any sleep.

09 Aug 2016 13:04:50
DavidE :-)

08 Aug 2016 22:31:26
Another day I look on here and yet another day of pissing and moaning! Can the eds send me a PM when the weather clears up! Or can they recomend anywhere where it's sunny.

08 Aug 2016 22:47:08
Spain would be a start lo.

08 Aug 2016 23:05:37
Yes it was pick on steve day today. But don't worry I have broad shoulders and we have all kissed and made up. Until tomorrow.

08 Aug 2016 23:32:36
Steve,
There's a post about you on 'other post's' :-)

08 Aug 2016 20:40:23
We need a striker. We should sign Will Grigg

He's on fire. ;-)

08 Aug 2016 21:20:38
Giggidy Giggidy :-)

08 Aug 2016 21:40:35
Hold on I'll get a hose.

08 Aug 2016 22:16:11
your defence is terrified steve ;-)

08 Aug 2016 22:43:16
Lacazette was the one lads.
He was so perfect, that even being linked with Arsenal got him injured.

08 Aug 2016 23:12:47
Hahaha D that got me 😂👍🏻.

08 Aug 2016 19:53:50
So Progba has landed and is heading for his medical as I tap, no this is not an Arsenal Rumour its a utd fact :- (
I bet thier supporters get bored of things keep happening and the club doing all it can to be the best it can be, they must absolutely ache for a decade of just doing enough to get in the champions league ambition.

08 Aug 2016 20:09:25
Guess they can all pop round the pub during the week and chat about how exciting things are while watching us play in the Champions League ;-)

08 Aug 2016 20:09:55
If i was a man u fan, i would say, why are we signing him for 100 mil when wr could have signed higuain and kante and had a better team and all the manu fans would say, steve you are negative.

08 Aug 2016 20:22:15
Let's see what we're all saying at the end of the season Steve until then it's all guess work for us all but I think Pogba will be an absolute massive hit in the premier league.
On Higuain, in Argentina they have a very popular app for people to use to help Higuain finish off all the chances he missed in the 2014 world cup and 2015 and 16 Copa America, he's not he's not popular amongst his fellow countrymen.

08 Aug 2016 20:29:24
Could you warm back up to him? Leaves on a free and costs you 100mil to get back?

Don't know if I could. Lads going to be under immense pressure to perform consistently and rightly so.

You know what? good. I hope he buckles, I'll laugh my ass off.

08 Aug 2016 21:23:06
It's a bit like us re-signing Sanogo for £89m.

08 Aug 2016 22:08:31
Thats funny dags. But will we be laughing in four years time.

08 Aug 2016 22:57:32
if sanogo was lewendowski dags 😂

Ste in four years time we may have made the changes within the club some crave, new era, new ideas, so who knows that could go either way too eh?

08 Aug 2016 23:29:21
Je and yes we may be able to buy sanogo back for 89 mil.

08 Aug 2016 21:19:32
Serious question for you guys, assuming all our midfielders stayed fit, would pogba even get a game for us? Not for me.

09 Aug 2016 12:59:42
Here's hoping ste 😂

Lime- are you kidding me? Pogba would get in any 1st 11 mate. You would rather Ramsey or caz?

08 Aug 2016 17:58:03
Isnt it about time some of you people who only praise and never criticise, stop being so hypocritical in your comments about some of us who post and back up our posts with content not finger pointing and complaining.

Not once do we complain and whinny about your over positiveness which i'm sure you don't see can be just as boring. i'm sorry I don't come on here to please, I come on here to let off steam and have some banter and recent new posters come on here and make it personal. There is nothing to stop someone being totally positive and the same goes for negativity. Respect. i'm afraid some of you cant.

08 Aug 2016 18:11:12
Totally agree Steve

Next thing people will be praising how green the grass is.

08 Aug 2016 18:18:54
I find that quite a negative attitude to take Steven :-)
But seriously everyone is entitled to thier view and others are definitely entitled to disagree, to be fair this page would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything but things should never get personal about other posters, well unless it's about Dags who I'm sure would be the first to agree with that :-)

08 Aug 2016 18:47:58
Banbury, gunner we all know the crack and we disagree and agree and we challenge posts stronly, but to go around slagging someone off for being negative or positive is shallow. There is a post earlier where banbury and my self were discussing with others the possibility of chambers and holding playing center back at the weekend. Banbury and myself put that they would struggle, i put they would be like rabbits in headlights.

I got last time i looked 0 agrees 4 disagrees, no problem with that at all. Later on someone put i think bielick and holding would do well against pool, 4 agrees 0 disagrees and people have a go on here for our posting. If that's a genuine opinion and that latter post is either classed as positve or sensible banter, dusgussion, then what sort of people are posting on here. what was more sensible our so called negativity or the other posts uunbelievable positivity.

08 Aug 2016 18:56:19
I think the grass is looking very green to be fair - long time poster and sarcastic so and so
Are you saying the grass is always greener elsewhere! Weren't we trying to be positive? :)

08 Aug 2016 18:58:25
Let's all be posi-neg lol.

G62, I have no problem with that at all, as long as I get Jaffa cakes as an apology :-)

08 Aug 2016 19:09:20
Steve - I am only trying to help you as most of your opinions are wrong.

On a serious note - I am positive for sure but I do pick faults in our team and manager. You don't agree with me on where the problems start and end but that's banter which helps me in my understanding. Take a look at my posts over the years.

I would love to see the odd positive post or part post from you. We have a great team and there must be some silver lining somewhere.

I get some of your posts and part agree but you do give a rally cry to your buddies to reply with a negative post which you must see. It reads like Wenger has done you personal harm and you just want to bitch about everything with him.

I think that's why you get a bit of stick - then the positive people kick in with there posts.

Why are you so p@@@@d at Wenger and can't see the challenges he has?

I can see his mistakes as you can - lack of signings, defence needs sorting, some players on silly wages and lack of striker but I also see a man up against super rich clubs while we have limited resources which is tough.

Open up buddy. We are all on the same team.

08 Aug 2016 19:12:12
Agree with what you say Steve, but I do believe the 'positive' versus 'negative' balance on here is pretty good.

Agree also, people should'nt get personal.

08 Aug 2016 19:22:42
Steve 27% of people on here think we're going to win the league? Now that does take some understanding :-) that's niether positive or negative its simply?
Dags you can't have anymore Jaffa cakes because the factory that makes them can't keep up with you as it is, they are running at full capacity 24/ 7 and the only way they can increase productivity is to expand faster than your waist line Fatty :-)

08 Aug 2016 19:30:23
I am positive and we won't unless we strengthen our spine of the team.

08 Aug 2016 19:53:39
Not long ago we had players like squillaci, chamakh, bendtner, cygan. We currently have a team with ozil in it, in my opinion the best 10 in the world. Are we going to win the PL and the CL? Unlikely, but only 1 team can. We play nice football, we have a decent chance of putting in a title challenge, we have a fantastic manager who cares about the club over his own personal glory (slag him off as clueless all you want, but don't pretend ozil is playing at arsenal out of pity or because noone else wants him).

Most of your criticisms are fair and on point - we do need to be more efficient in the transfer market, though there's a fine line between blowing your cash early and missing the ozils of the world and waiting too long, poker is a fair analogy. The problem is when people start posting that we are awful, that we can never win, that our manager is a thief and an idiot.

We have posters like malaga who in the live chat against city just repeatedly said 'wenger is a tosser, wenger is useless, our team is shit' until of course we took the lead against city, and then he conveniently decided to leave and stop watching. Criticise the lack of a CB signing YES, by all means. Just some of this over the top whinging about us being doomed for eternity and how dare we not be the greatest club in the world winning every game is absurd, and that's where you wind everyone up. This page was a lot more fun previously, before anyone who refused to jump on the gloom bandwagon was repeatedly trolled. I'm starting to suspect half of you are CTRs multis!

City were AWFUL yesterday, united have been awful last 3 years, chelsea under uniteds saviour were beyond awful, the eds have said conte isn't a great tactician. We have as much of a chance as anyone this year, despite all our obvious failings you still got to get behind the team!

08 Aug 2016 20:00:03
i think lately people have been going after your negativity and I will include myself in that because it seems to be making this site all doom and gloom. I see so many good posts ruined by negativity. Yesterday Walcott players well. Na won't keep it up. Arsene might bid for so and so. No he won't he's a French idiot or why would so and so come here we're no longer big Arsene out we need Change, it's like no one can have a good positive Chat on here. I appreciate they are your opinions and I'm not attacking that I'm just putting my view ok. You probably get fed up of the same positivity. Again nothing personal but I get fed up of all the doom and gloom.

08 Aug 2016 20:07:10
Sy i and others mentioned do post positive, you and others may chose to ignore that. What have i posted this weekend that was negative that you didn't like. I posted i think we will sign a defender now other negative posters voted we wouldn't, i have no problem with that. I posted that i didn't want williams but i wanted mustafi, was that negative. I posted that i think it will be theo and giroud for striker next year, was that positive or negative. I posted cas and coq were our best central mid, i posted on friday that if iwobi added goals this season, he is the future, was that negative. Like i say those who chose to ignore things on purpose and make out things are not as they really are, are self righteous, like you and d16. If either of you wrote something i didn't agree with, i would tell you without the i'm holier than thou attitude and if you are positive or negative its not a problem with me. You can be as positve as you like. You might say wecwere we were unlucky and hit the post, i would say we were rubbish and missed a sitter, you might say we were unlucky to lose 3-2, i might say we were rubbish and can't defend so that's why we lost. The results are the same but you are being positive and me negative, what does it really matter.

08 Aug 2016 20:15:01
Dags can i be honest, if someone never brought it up, it would never have ever been an issue with me, the issue is with people who make it an issue,

08 Aug 2016 20:15:25
Not long ago we had players like squillaci, chamakh, bendtner, cygan.

That should be made into a bumper sticker.

08 Aug 2016 20:17:45
D16 no i don't get fed up with negativity and i don't get fed up with the positivity either. Its opinion, not fact.

08 Aug 2016 20:20:33
Lime tree why can't you see the funny side in malagas ranting and whooping. Its funny not serious, its banter. If you don't like it, ignore it.

08 Aug 2016 20:47:58
Steve - I am sorry buddy. I know I rant at times and that's probably down to passion for the club, like you. I see Wenger as part of the solution and you probably don't. That's fair enough.

08 Aug 2016 20:48:03
SY

I will pick you up on one thing

" we have a great team "

Really?

That's a rose tinted comment if ever I've heard one, be realistic please.

A great side wins all before them .

We are ok but still can't beat Chelsea, struggle to do the double over Man U .

We are ok, that's about it at the minute.

08 Aug 2016 21:07:33
Let's call us a strong team as league finishes support that

A great club!

08 Aug 2016 17:12:41
I get the distinct impression we're not buying anyone else now. Wenger has done it again

08 Aug 2016 17:20:14
I think we will sign 1 or 2 more.

08 Aug 2016 17:21:05
We will be buying someone whether or not there who we want (fans) is another story.

08 Aug 2016 15:30:42
Just a shout out to the Eds for the fantastic job they do here. Really appreciate all their efffort and time. Hope you gents are enjoying the off season as much as the Ox is :)

08 Aug 2016 16:39:26
I think you lot have scared the Ed's off with your constant moaning.

You should all be like me, I never moan :-)

08 Aug 2016 16:45:39
The Eds are great and especially when they get involved with the banter a bit speaking of which where is that funloving, United supporting Ed 41 that ruffled up my feathers on Akpom, seems to have gone radio client ;-)

08 Aug 2016 17:02:53
To be fair dags when you do your long posted moan it's understandable and constructive. Not just moaning for the sake of it. I appreciate people on here like that.

08 Aug 2016 17:18:51
Much obliged D16.

Thank you.

08 Aug 2016 20:26:24
D16 I've just done a long post too. 😅.

08 Aug 2016 14:28:49
Ed, I wonder if you can clarify something for me.

Someone in the my office has a family member that works as an insurance underwriter and he has said that when a transfer occurs (speaking about Pogba in this case) , the player has to get insurance. Understandable. He then says if the player was to get injured, the insurance actually covers the players wages (whilst injured) , not the club. Is there any truth to this?

Just thought it was something interesting to raise, especially with the amount of injuries Arsenal seem to get! And if not, what do players actually get insurance for? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - All players at the highest level are insured by the clubs and depending in the terms of the insurance wages will be covered or contributed to.}

08 Aug 2016 16:41:43
Our players are injured so much, insurance companies actually find it cheaper to pay out when our players play :-)

08 Aug 2016 17:06:44
There two types of insurance policies that players take-out themselves (these are seperate from the club) .

In certain cases, clubs can include these insurance policies in the contracts.

Type 1: As you described this is effectively a tpye of "personal injury insurance. " Annual product.

Type 2: Career-Ending Insurance. Here the play pays a much bigger some, and if they have a career ending injury, their current wages are covered upto 10yrs.

In either case, these are pretty standard and usually handled by he agents.

08 Aug 2016 12:57:25
Do we have scouts? If so, what are they paid for?
The current situation in defence is shocking tbh. The whole situation screams "I have no idea what I am doing". An EPL manager with more than 20years experience should know better.

We were short of quality in defence last season.
We all knew Kos wouldn't start first few games
Per was injured a while ago


Weirdest part is, WE HAVEN"T BID FOR EFFING NOBODY.

This is the sort of attitude that irks me. What the hell are we doing? We seem disorganized, uncertain and worst of all, we are cheap. That combination will never win anyone any titles.

08 Aug 2016 14:01:56
I read a year or so ago that Arsenal were one of a number of clubs that use a computer system, or pay for information from it, as well has having various actual scouts. Think it's called Wyscout or something like that.

That system holds information, stats, video footage etc on pretty much every player so they should know about any possible player worth sending an actual scout to look at.

None of which to me is, at this time, relevant in the search for players we need, the finished or very near finished article, they are the only type of player Wenger should be looking at now. Our youth recruitment again appears to be working well.

Yes there will be hidden gems such as Kante or Mahrez etc but we clearly have the money to buy a top quality defender and striker.

No matter whether you're positive or negative in your thinking about our club it's decisions, for example Saurez, that make no sense.

Saurez was a player who ticked everyone of Wengers 4 boxes twice over and a bid of £50 or £60 million may well have made that happen.

The result could well have been a title, he may have decided to stay with us or he may still have gone to Barcelona but it would have been at a profit. Like I said the other day, if you speculate on quality you are very likely to accumulate.

Wengers career at Arsenal will end in a whimper and he really has only himself to blame. You need to be active not reactive.

08 Aug 2016 14:42:03
good post, completely agree. At least now we know something surely has to happen 😂🙏🏻.

08 Aug 2016 14:49:53
The club certainly give the impression it's more than happy to be champions league participants each every season and that's where it's ambition begins and ends.
People can argue against that but almost every year it's the same thing with every one thinking surely Arsenal will spend this summer to push on and at least try to be contenders for the title but that isn't something that seems of real importance to the club.
It's all about maximum profit for minium outlay at Arsenal and has been for many years now, football is the vehicle not the motivation at the club.

08 Aug 2016 16:45:26
Completely agree with all of the above.

As Brucie use to say, "Points win prizes", but in our case it's, "bank balance win prizes".

08 Aug 2016 16:56:23
come on rd, we all know wenger gets his information from wikipedia.

08 Aug 2016 17:42:19
NE I actually think he gets it from the bloody Beano! 😂😂.

08 Aug 2016 12:02:17
As suspected AW won't be using Kos this weekend

Sensible as its not worth the risk

But by god Wenger your stupidity knows no bounds, it's seems everyone in the world of football knew we needed another CB apart from you and the Board

Comedy at its best.

08 Aug 2016 12:47:35
Saddest bit is I am not at all shocked. Wenger's management leaves a lot to be desired.

08 Aug 2016 16:49:12
C'mon lads, you know the drill by now.

"There's nobody out there who I feel can strenghten the squad".

08 Aug 2016 08:51:45
It is good to see the Akpom and Iwobi play so well yesterday. On another subject, Arsenal's transfer policy doesn't seem to make a lot of sense when you start doing some calculations.

For example (this with just goals in mind) : Welbeck costs (approx) 2.3 million per goal (wages. and initial transfer fee) and Cristiano Ronaldo costs 480 thousand per goal. Giroud is slightly cheaper at 402 thousand per goal. Although if you add the amount Real have earnt out 1 la liga title 2 champions league titles and 2 copa del reys then Ronaldo's overall cost per goal drops on profit earnt (I am not even including shirt sales etc) . I am not criticising Giroud or Welbeck, but if you pay a lot more for a prolific goal scoring/ game winning striker, they work out to be better value for money.

08 Aug 2016 11:05:04
I don't see how you can quantify a cost to goal ratio as a measurement, especially when there are so many variables that you haven't accounted for.

Essentially, that's bollocks.

08 Aug 2016 17:43:57
Exactly right diamond, its called false economy. Spending 5 and 10 mil on wasters like santos, debauchery, chamach, inamoto etc cost fortunes in wages as well and you get no or little return except red figures. Ronaldo, messi, neymar, suarez cost fortunes but return huge profits.

{Ed001's Note - Inamoto was extremely cost-effective. It created a whole new fanbase in Japan, with regular day trippers to the games spending large sums on memorabilia.}

08 Aug 2016 17:45:05
Just to finish in revenue for shirt and merchandise sales and big comps.

08 Aug 2016 05:50:03
Predictions boys? I think if you buy a couple if top players you might be the team to beat. As ever though, its a pretty big if.

Can't see Chelsea winning it, Conte will likely self combust, Klopp is great but the scousers still lack quality. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

City look strong, probably best squad and now Pep, but they feel like a team of individuals. United will be better but its a big jump to win it.

So, are you boys optimistic?

08 Aug 2016 07:47:51
Chelsea
City
Utd
Then 1 of Arsenal Liverpool Spurs Leicester Everton or west Ham in 4th.
Just can't see how we can be any more likely to challenge this season than the previous 10 if so why? what's different this time round to all the others.

08 Aug 2016 07:56:14
What's exiting you about Chelsea G62?

08 Aug 2016 08:10:44
Harrods, Victoria and Albert Museum, Kensington Palace and much more SLB. 😉.

08 Aug 2016 08:13:41
Can I ask why we will self-combust? We signed the Premier League's best midfielder, are keeping Costa and got Hazard firing again. On top of that, we are finally playing the class that is our youth. We need a new centre back and striker right now, but confident we'll get it. We will be challenging, can say that with confidence. I think Jose has more of a chance of self-destructing, especially with the pressure after spending so much and his dismal performance last year.

08 Aug 2016 08:40:25
Lol red Dog.

For me, Utd haven't addressed their main issue, a playmaker like Scholes.

Chelsea have bought well, Kante is quality but I can't see them going from 10th (last season) to 1st.

We haven't addressed our striker and Centre Half issue.

For me, City.

08 Aug 2016 09:47:24
Chelsea and City have the best squads by far, but both managers need to show they can adapt their brands of football for the premier league otherwise they won't be winning the league.

Still having said that I don't think we've got enough in our squad to win it, or even challenge now your consider our void at CB.
Liverpool still lack quality in a few positions but if they can keep everyone fit (especially Sturridge) who knows.
Man Utd have a good squad and a manager who knows how to win, however they've got to get the stink of LVG off first and who knows how long that'll take. They also don't have a Mourinho squad although he's clearly trying his best to acquire one!
Spurs simply lack quality beyond their starting 11, and throwing in champs league could well tire playing Poch's brand of football.

All in all I think it'll likely be:

Man City
Chelsea
Man Utd
Liverpool.

08 Aug 2016 10:06:05
I don't think unitards squad is as good as ours! Their first 11 is shaping up now though.

08 Aug 2016 10:14:29
For me SLB Chelsea have bought some quality additions to add to a team that walked the premier league 2 seasons back so they have the majority of thier squad already blended and in Conti they have a no nonsense strong good tactically manager who will get the best out of them.
Their quality on the field didn't disappear last season they just fell apart off it.

{Ed001's Note - why do you call Conte tactically good? That is his weakness. He struggles tactically which is why Juve have a much better European record since he left. His strengths are building a team spirit.}

08 Aug 2016 11:09:33
We will get top 4, but I think Chelsea or Utd will win it. Ibra will get a lot of goals.

I think City are a bit disjointed, even though their squad is quality. Will take Pep a year or 2 to really get them gelled and firing.

As for Liverpool, I can't see them getting 5th let alone 4th.

So we will be top 4, which is like a trophy, right? RIGHT?!?

08 Aug 2016 11:22:11
I'm just going by his Italy performances that I've seen over the last few years Ed001 mate, to me they always looked very well set up and organised.

{Ed001's Note - that is differently from being tactically strong though g62. He is, imo, a firefighter to rebuild from the devastation left behind last season. He will bring the squad together as a unit and get them well organised. They will need to get someone in to then take them forward from there.}

08 Aug 2016 12:32:53
Fair play Ed mate, from all I've read and heard on TV the Italy players loved playing under him dispite his disciplined approach and they seem to respond to him in their performances.
I think he might just be what Chelsea have needed for years, strong but fair management with who they know where the line is.
To me it's always seemed like player power has been Chelsea main problem which successive managers have failed to constrain well enough, for me I think he succeed where many have tried and failed.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure he will succeed up to a point. I still feel that they will need a change if they want to be successful in Europe, as he was badly found out when he faced the big boys there in the past. Their issue is the recruitment side of things, imo, they still haven't fixed that. They have struggled to get the right players since Steve Walsh left.}

08 Aug 2016 17:46:53
Chelsea have the best squad on paper. The only thing is this game is played on grass.

08 Aug 2016 19:25:26
I think we might win it.

Leicester lost kante their main man, and teams will sit deeper.
Liverpool have a decent squad but are lacking exceptional quality.
United, despite all their spending, are still a shambles, and though i don't see you being far away I can't see you winning. But it's Jose, so he'll get you the league cup as a consolation prize, win the league next year then get sacked the following.
Spurs are spurs.

Chelsea aren't going to recover to 1st, not with conte.
City have made a lot of signings but I feel this is the year that Peps going to look a little stupid.

So really, if we signed at least a CB and maybe another forward I'll be quietly confident.
You can all slag me off in May when we finish 4th ;)