Arsenal Banter Archive December 08 2014

08 Dec 2014 19:57:19
We get in our first defence of the FA Cup! Who'd a guessed that. 3-2 anyone?

We'll have our two new wingers by then, unless their cup tied from their previous clubs 1st round games of course

Who is that?

Rosicky and Walcott?

08 Dec 2014 21:37:57
And a worldie centre half and a worldie DM.

Well, we can dream can't we?

5 points b the Mancs now.

08 Dec 2014 18:46:29
So again it feels like one step forward two steps backwards. From the highs of 3 consecutive clean sheets to the lows of that defensive catastrophe at the weekend. If nothing else us Arsenal fans are always took on one hell of a ride every year.

A few pointers regarding our weekend clash with the mighty Potters. So where to begin.

1) Mr Bellerin was very poor. A number of folk on this site among others have claimed for weeks (ie Robbie repeatedly) that he should be a starter until Debuchy returns. No way. The kid has talent but he is very young and way out of his depth in the EPL at the moment. This game would have shattered his confidence and getting hooked at half time even more so. Shame really.

2) Mr Chambers was the worst player on the pitch for me. I have said it before and shall say it again I have seen nothing to justify a £16,000,000 fee. Sure he is young and English and athletic but the basics are just not there. He is rash and his decision making is poor. Fair enough playing alongside the cumbersome Per is not ideal but he has to be better. Before everyone jumps down my throat and tells me 'he's still young' or 'he wasn't signed to be in the first team' etc, no matter what club you are if you pay £16 million for a player he should be able to step up and play at the level you play at. Could that money have been spent better? Definitely.

3) Mr Wenger had another tactical shocker. Unlike other posters (such as Banbury) I do not want Arsenal to lose ever but I can see where those types of views are coming from. We are caught in a situation were if we win the gaffer will be applauded and his position unquestioned but if we lose it may be the only way to see him leave. I am disgusted by our fans in the video not because they are expressing their views (we live in a democratic society) but the fact it reflects poorly on our club which has always acted with dignity and class. If nothing else Mr Wenger has always conducted himself professionally and should be respected even if he isn't every ones cup of tea.

4) Lastly going back to the banner the other week which read 'thanks for the memories but it's time to say goodbye' got major stick on this site. However, that banner could have said 'Sack Wenger', 'Wenger is killing our club' or worse. I'll ask you would you rather the fans expressed their opinion like that or by the tirade of abuse aimed at Arsene in the video? You can't have it both ways, fans have a voice which should be heard. For me the banner was the equivalent of a Private giving a salute to an ageing General. He respects the man, he knows he has done some incredible things but he knows deep down the General has had his day and it's time to let someone else take his place.

I know I will get stick for this post. "Bellerin was unlucky, still young and didn't play badly" or "Chambers will be the best defender in the world in a few years" etc. But I am talking about now, our immediate present and what's best for our club. I repeat I am only one fan with a my own view but I do have the clubs best interest at heart.

{Ed025's Note - i enjoyed that VDG, good stuff..

Great to have a mention VDG lol

Good post Van and we all want what we believe is best for our club mate (or should) we are just divided on how's best to get there.
I think rather than banners or shouting abuse at a man who doesn't deserve to be getting that sort of treatment wearing dignified plain black tea rubbishs ( no slogans) similar to the orange ones worn for Bergkamps last game or whatever colour best to signify peoples feelings on the subject.
It quietly makes the point and TV camera's and commentators would soon make viewers aware of why people were wearing them

08 Dec 2014 21:39:08
Good post VDG.

08 Dec 2014 15:43:06
for 8mill a year shout whatever you want at me while i'm getting on a train and i'm happy to read any banners put up about me.

08 Dec 2014 16:14:25
I'll start with my "Say no to Bentpony" banner! ;-)

08 Dec 2014 17:33:57
Derbygooner is a Wally.

Pah, deal with that :-)

08 Dec 2014 18:11:51
On a serious note Derby imagine that was your 65yr old father being abused by group of young guys, it doesn't matter who you are, what you do or how much you earn abuse directed at a 65yr old guy is nothing short of pathetic.

Couldn't agree more Dog. Ashamed to wear the same shirt.

08 Dec 2014 19:18:39
They don't want wenger at "their" club, I don't want that lot at my club!

08 Dec 2014 19:52:14
Well said Red Dog

No justification what so ever for that sort of treatment of a man who has given 18 years of his life to our club.
He is doing what he thinks is best for the club, I doubt his ability greatly and believe he should stand down as he refuses to listen learn or change his idea's but I don't for one minute doubt his love for the club.
He deserves better than that

{Ed025's Note - your dead right he does..

I agree G62 and did say the other week, keep the banners behind closed doors .

It doesn't look that good, does it

08 Dec 2014 21:09:29
What manager would wsnt to come to our club based on how we treat a nanager held in such high esteem in footbsll

what player would want to sign fir us based on how we booed Ozil, Arshavin etc

we don't help ourselves or portray our great club very well at times - think some people think signing a player is like buying beans from asda - WAKE UP!

Treat the players and manager with the respect they deserve - they gey paid a lot because of you buying tickets, shirts, sky tv etc. It is not their fault and they are still human - so treat them with respect

{Ed025's Note - im with you SY4..

Not saying it is right

It hasn't stopped anyone going to Man U after their treatment of D Moyes.

Players /Managers will walk to most 'BIG' clubs regardless.

I include 'pool and spurs in that comment also

Hes nearer my grandad age lol. Anyway

I saw my grandad on satnight first thing he says arsenal need a new manager asap. He isn't an arsenal at all.

My dad also says too many weak players. And he's said wenger is finished for 3 years. He is also not a fan

So tbh my dad wouldn't let us get this bad even they see wengers errors.

08 Dec 2014 13:20:06
Have seen a lot of posts quoting high profile names which would solve all of our problems, please understand we do not live in an ideal world, I understand 'suggested names' being banded around but when people think we can just go and get these players we have to understand that in order to sign a player it is not simple.

The club which the player is contracted to must agree to either sell or allow their player to speak to us.

The player needs to 'want' to come and play for us, and in most cases uproot their family to live in England (big decision)

The price must be realistic.

We only have a certain amount of places in our squad so we need to sell before we buy.

The player needs to be better than we already have.

We have already breached ffp rules due to our wage bill so if a big earning player comes in, a big earner needs to leave.

The transfer window is shut and January is the hardest time to buy as the selling club would need to be able to replace a 'world class' player.

On a positive note, we are having an awful season but we are still above Spurs!

I hate the January window and wish it didn't exist at all because it leads to nothing but argument and disappointment each year.
I would much rather extend the summer window to opening the day after the CL final and closing the Friday before the new season kicks off.
But you have to play by the rules that do exist not the ones you wish did, so the best DM and CB you can get either loan buy swap bring out of retirement what ever, just try and fix things the best you can, just do something to try and fix our problems.
There's much more dignity in trying and getting it wrong than doing nothing and hiding behind excuses

Wonder what Keown is doing now? Maybe he can still play a bit? I've heard Adams has sorted himself out and stopped the booze, imagine what a player he would have been if he was sober? If I was Bouldy I would bring my boots to the next game, he might get 45 mins.

Keep smiling G62

If only that 45 minutes was the first half at Stoke on Saturday 337 :-) any or all of them could hardly have done worse than Calum (I don't do headiers ) Merts ( I don't do jumping or heading) or Gibbs ( I'm not getting in the way of that its cold and will sting) Oh for the days of our defenders actually living up to their job description

Yep, Adams would have gone out friday night had 10 pints, worn a short sleeved shirt, no shin pads, kicked crouch and shawcross in to the crowd and made it back to the pub for ten more pints on saturday!

08 Dec 2014 06:57:54
Wenger stated that defending is for older players. Can he please explain why he went into the season with only 5 experienced defenders. Having to rely on inexperienced 19 year old Chambers, Bellerin & Hayden, as the only cover.
Meanwhile he allowed Jenkinson to go on loan. Sold Vermaelen & Miquel. Sagna also left.
He then kept two defensove midfield players whose best days are behind them.

So he wouldn't sign young varane if he was available :(

08 Dec 2014 00:17:00
If AW goes who can replace him? One of the most common questions. Everybody has their options I wonder how would TONY PULIS do if he was put in charge? Does it have to be a foreign manager who does not know EPL? Why not T Pulis? Brilliant job at CP last yeat with a limited budget and an eye for sorting out defensive formations problems something we need (1-0 victories not mentioning beating chelsea with HM on charge something that never happened to AW). Wonder what he could achieve with the money AFC has?

You my friend are deluded.

I have a feeling we won't finish top four, I hope I am wrong.
If so, I can see Wenger going, as appears to be losing the battle to keep the fans on board. He has made horrendous decisions this season by not signing two additional defenders & two combative defensive midfield players. Put Hummels, Mings, Scneiderlin & Sissoko into the squad and overnight the team will improve. Take out Flamini, Arteta, Monreal. Allow Bellerin & Hayden to go out on loan and you ahve a serious squad. We have the funds to do this.

If Wenger goes, the obvious choices to replace him are: Mourinho, Guardiola, Simone or Ancelotti. None of these are available and all would be very difficult to secure.
Why not give Pullis a chance. He did wonders with Stoke & Crystal Palace and hasn't had the opportunity of managing at the top level. You only have to look at the much maligned Sam Allardyce, to see what managers such as Pullis & Allardyce can do with limited resources. Imagine Wenger managing the teams they managed. Would he have done any better?

Ideally I would give them 5 players each and Tony stop us conceding stupid goals and Arsene get us the goals to win the game.
If only they didn't dislike each other so intently :-) but they do and Arsene would want Kos up front to annoy Tony and Tony would want Sanchez a CB to wind up Arsene.
Wed be relegated but it vwould be fun watching them on the side lines trying to trip each other up