Arsenal Banter Archive January 08 2017

 

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08 Jan 2017 23:22:55
Arsene is obviously English footbals longest current serving manager but who is the second longest?
Clue he has been in his current job since 2006.

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08 Jan 2017 23:56:55
Paul Tisdale, Exeter 😃

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09 Jan 2017 01:10:07
And neither of them has managed to win the premier league in the last 10 years.

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09 Jan 2017 07:36:45
Well done Dags, try this one who is Britain's second longest current serving manager?
Clue he's been in his job just two years less than Arsene?

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09 Jan 2017 08:04:22
You asked that already 😃

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09 Jan 2017 12:02:04
Dags, as a Welshman, I feel very offended that you think 'English' is synonymous with 'British' :P

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09 Jan 2017 12:26:19
Love how a fun little post like that still gets someone come to have a dig at wenger 😂

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09 Jan 2017 12:48:19
Sorry Perfect,
Was too early for me, didn't read post correctly 😃

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08 Jan 2017 21:14:22
Would be great for Sanchez, Ozil and Wenger to sign this January

Sounds like Ozil is happy and likes Wenger

The club knows that I am here most of all because of Arsène Wenger. He is the one who signed me and he is the one whose trust I have. The club also knows that I want to be clear what the manager is going to [in the future]. "

Fingers crossed the situation with manager and players gets sorted as uncertainty is not good for our club

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08 Jan 2017 22:47:11
it's a tricky one, sy. i'm sure many would agree that to move forward we need a managerial "upgrade". likewise, many would disagree but at the end of the day wenger has to leave sooner or later.

right now we have (arguably some of) the best players in the league in their positions in sanchez, ozil, koscielny, bellerin, cech and santi when fit, yet year after year we stumble and fall - in my opinion this is a mental or tactical state that wenger has bestowed upon the squad, not a fault of our players "winning mentality". it's easy to say when chelsea are flying high but conte would have been perfect for us. A manager who isn't there to befriend players, a manager who's ruthless and isn't afraid to make changes when necessary.

sure players might come for wenger, but they'll only stay if you're picking up meaningful silverware. two fa cups is by no means the champions league final or a league title. i pains me to say this but we really don't deserve alexis or ozil, they're wasting the peak of their career battling out for fourth place in the pl and bowing out of the champions league five games to early when they could be winning the bbva or the serie a or a meaningful trophy or two. until wenger goes i don't think any player worth their salt should even consider joining arsenal.

don't get me wrong, I'm not anti wenger, I'm just fearful of what might happen if he leaves. i wouldn't be disappointed if he doesn't renew his contract, however.

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08 Jan 2017 23:29:17
Sy I think the media are medling and interpreting their own slant. Last moth according to them sanchez was leaving if wenger stayed. This month ozil is leaving if wenger goes. Neither is true. Ozil actually said he wanted to know who would be manager before he signed, not exactly what is being now interpreted.

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08 Jan 2017 23:42:53
NE, I am not so pro-Wenger that I think it will be Doomsday if he leaves. I would love to see him stay as long as it is the best for the club. I still have faith and it is regularly tested. I accept he will be rightly criticised but don't agree that everything is his fault and that he has been handicapped financially since we left Highbury until late.
What we must do is remember our history as a club and be respectful and conclude professionally pretty damn soon as uncertainty is not good for players and trying to sign players. We were doing ok before Wenger and he has set the bar very high, far higher than it's ever been while the league has gotten tougher with 5 teams capable of winning the league. Go back a few years and it was normally between 2 ( us and Utd for a while) .
I still think the club needs to lol st itself and figure out what it wants - to compete in EPL and EUFA Champ League requires serious continuous flow of money. I don't think we have that and so we are always the bridesmaid as we never want to pay for the wedding. I think this is just S big a question as who the manager is.
If Wenger has Pep's budget or a squad like Barcelona - would he win trophies? Why not - he out foxed Fergie who beat the best of them. If I play you at space invaders and have 4 extra lifes - I should beat you but you may get lucky. Money does matter.
If the board wanted to win the league - they would have sacked Wenger. They would also need to step up to the big table. I think they are happy staying in Europe and "competing. "
So - what great manager would want to come in with our fans boooing our greatest manager, squad that needs investments but limited funds plus how have Utd fairer as an example. Tough call.
Who does that mean we go for! Pep would never have come but not sure I wanted him, nor Mourinho.
Hiddink or Conte were who I wanted but Chelsea would slways look more appealing with their spending capacity slightly offset with the crazed Russian running the club.

I just want to see our players put a shift in, play nice football and truly compete to the best they can. I also want to see us still competing for the league come May. I don't think we have a god given right to win it but I want us to fight for it. Otherwise - what's the point?

We aren't too far away on quality but we always seem to be that way - if that's board strategy then let's change it or put up with being the bridesmaid. If it's Wenger, then let's change.

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09 Jan 2017 00:20:13
Cech isn't in the top 3 goalies for me. Koscielny isn't the best centre back but he is in the top 3.

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09 Jan 2017 06:14:10
Steve - agreed. He clearly likes Wenger and the club. He wants to know who will manage him over his last big contract. Uncertainty is not good - not a good time to be negotiating your top players contracts,
This has been my issue for a while including last year as I am sure it must have impacted our plans even though we had a very good summer but not an outstanding summer in terms of attracting the best names. I know we tend to make names!

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09 Jan 2017 06:46:03
The contract negotiations of Wenger, Ozil and Sanchez are complicated. Wenger always has the highest club salary. Therefore, the deals of Sanchez and Ozil have to be sorted in order to ascertain the top figure. However, the players may want to know if Wenger will remain manager before committing to the club. Not that it will happen, but if Wenger committed himself this month and made a top signing, it may tip the balance and convince Ozil and Sanchez to extend their contracts. Also we need to deal with the contracts of players such as Ox, Santi, Mertesacker, etc.

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08 Jan 2017 17:21:34
If wenger is bidding 50mil for This chap that means he's staying unfortunately also indicates Sanchez could b gone if he's going to leave I'd rather he runs down his contract and goes for nothing because without him we're not a top 4 team in my opinion I'd rather we sell ozil to keep Sanchez and bring in a left back

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08 Jan 2017 17:43:33
Why are we bidding €65 mil when I believe his buyout clause is €100 mil. Seems like another striker we are after and are miles from the valuation.

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{Ed002's Note - (a) The size of the bid is not known. (b) There is no "buyout clause".}

08 Jan 2017 18:16:02
Thanks ed I had read he had a buy out clause, it looks like we did bid though.

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{Ed002's Note - Just ignore anything about "clauses" - and "buy out clauses" are incredibly rare nowadays.}

08 Jan 2017 18:49:44
We can read lots of things into every bid or none bid we are linked with.
If this bid is made it could be taken as a sign Arssne is staying
While on the other hand not bidding for Draxler a player he has long admired allowing PSG a free run on hi couul equally suggest Arsene is PSG bound himself.
Let's wait and see because if we carry on as we are it's unlikely the Emerirates atmosphere will be a happy one for the remaining of the season and I'm sure that will have an influence on what Arsene and or the board decide to do.

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{Ed002's Note - This is palpable nonsense.}

08 Jan 2017 20:03:37
Gunner my take on it is, if this is the target for whatever reason are we going to get him or walk away for someone else to come in and pay the fee to buy him. If we aren't going to pay what he is valued at, why are we bidding.

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08 Jan 2017 21:33:56
Steve,
I don't think Wenger can swim.

He never dives in, but just dips his toe in to test the waters 😄

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08 Jan 2017 22:15:08
I find it difficult to think no matter how this season goes the Club and Arsene are just going to carry as always by them giving and Arssne accepting a new contract regardless of how we do.

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08 Jan 2017 22:31:51
Well wenger has tried to buy a top player lol so we can all get off his back now the guy is obviously wanting to burn cash.

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08 Jan 2017 23:39:10
Gunner I agree, I think the club regardless of what goes on would give him the contract, I do think wenger is still in a sane state of mind and knows from previous reactions of the fans, if he can't deliver, he will go and give someone else the chance.

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08 Jan 2017 23:52:34
Sano the only problem is wenger goes shopping at harrods with his xmas club money.

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08 Jan 2017 11:47:51
Apart from some of the other baffling things that go on at our club, one of the most surprising is our recent captain situation. Our last two great periods at this club under GG and AW we had iconic captains who stood for no shizzle and put their bodies on the line for this club and set an example for all to follow, including fans. Now our captains armband is passed about to music in the dressing room like pass the parcel and we don't have that iconic captain and haven't for a decade and guess what, we look like it too. Wenger says now he likes to pass the captain around a bit, what a load of nonsense.

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08 Jan 2017 13:08:26
United fan in peace. I totally agree with you Steve! What arsenal have been missing this long time is someone like a viera or a keown running through walls and dragging everyone with them! Too many pansies running around the pitch passing the buck on to someone else. But this is all down to AW! I think if you got a new quality manager with new ideas it could take you to the next level! Just my opinion tho. Ps I do think you have a quality team!

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08 Jan 2017 14:17:00
Cohen Bramall as new skipper?

I'm less bothered about the armband, more concerned that individual players don't seem to take responsibility for their own performances and commitment. I don't suggest that having a flag bearer, a shouter, a leader isn't beneficial, but whether or not they stretch the armband over their resplendent tattoo's or not, I just want every player to want to bust a gut in pride and recognition at their immense good fortune to be in such a position in life, to play football, be rewarded handsomely and have th extra joy of doing it an Arsenal first team shirt.

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08 Jan 2017 15:03:03
Max that was going to be my next moan. lol

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08 Jan 2017 11:38:56
The old "game of two halves" cliché has probably never been as evident as in recent weeks with Arsenal.

I was fuming yesterday watching the first half, as I'm sure we all were. Easily overrun in midfield, unable to play out well from the back and positionally poor in defence. We've seen most of that in the cups before - but usually as a result of trying to use fringe players. I'll also never understand this thing of using left-footed players on the right wing and vice versa when we want to play a simple game and get more crosses in for Giroud in the box.

That said, we all saw how things came together in the second half. And there were clear positives - a return for Welbeck, 4 in 4 for Giroud, Ramsey opening his account for the season, Perez looking more influential and, above all, the fact we won in spite of our very unconvincing performance.

It's often the way that undeserved wins help teams kick on and start to build something. Now I thought we might manage that after getting out of jail on Tuesday night, but clearly it wasn't to be. The problem has been complacency, causing us to sleepwalk into games. I wasn't at the game yesterday but you could hear our travelling support much more than you could hear any of the home fans. That support is probably the only positive that ran for the full duration of yesterday's game.

Let's hope that our next match, an away trip to a ground where we've often underperformed, against a team under new management, forces the lads to stop playing with that same arrogance or complacency and that we manage to find some momentum from that. Imagine if we could start more games the way we started the second half yesterday, or ended the Bournemouth game. Might help us kick-start a much needed second half of season run-in.

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08 Jan 2017 10:44:14
Pleased with yesterday's result, into the 4th round draw tomorrow.
Three things that continue to bother me;
1) . The usual injury pile up. We need to condition our players better and work them harder. Sanchez works like a dog and is rarely injured. The toot work their players hard and they rarely suffer from the type of muscular injuries our players suffer from. Look at Wilshere at Bournemouth, he has been injury free, whereas he was continually injured whilst at Arsenal.
2) . The contract situation with many players at the club is dire. Again the toot seem to tie their better players to long term deals. Yes, they leave, but for huge fees.
3) . Why didn't we put a break clause in Wilshere's deal? Chelsea put one in Ake's loan deal and can recall him.
Moan over!

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08 Jan 2017 11:26:24
Who would you blame for all them mistakes along side all the other mistakes being made, that person wants sacking. Anyone making error after error needs to be accountable.

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08 Jan 2017 11:35:28
With Caz Xhaka Le coq Elneny who really expected Jack to be able to get a game with us or even due to his injury record even be fit and available at this stage of the season.
No one really expected Xhaka to have such an unimpressive start back in August as he is our joint second most expensive signing of all time along side Sanchez and Mustafi, at £34 million I think we all expected a lot lot more from Granit than he's be able to show so far.
I think the long term loan was 100% the right decision for Jack back in August as no one really thought we would be struggling so much as we are back then.

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08 Jan 2017 12:03:20
Jack is doing far better at Bournemouth and it is turning out to be the right decision for jack the footballer. I can't remember him playing for so long and so injury free. that's got to be the right thing.

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08 Jan 2017 14:13:51
Question is - why is Jack not injured yet?

If he was playing for us - he would be. : (

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08 Jan 2017 15:43:55
I've only taken a close look at one of Jacks performances for Bournemouth and that was in thier win against Liverpool, if that game wss anything to go by then it's not surprising he's stayed fit, no tackling no running into trouble with the ball, playing 90% of the game within 15 yards either side of the half way line and playing almost the entire game at walking pace it's not difficult to see how he could stay fit so long, obviously it has been okayed if not ordered by Eddie Howe for Jack to do this but it wouldn't be acceptable in an Arsenal shirt at all.

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08 Jan 2017 15:44:53
SY4 - absolutely and why not insert a break clause?

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{Ed002's Note - Because of the the cost and the difficulty in getting clubs to agree.}

08 Jan 2017 17:37:58
Again a weakness in Arsenal's negotiations Ed.

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09 Jan 2017 11:53:21
Xhaka needs two seasons steve before you make a judgement.

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08 Jan 2017 10:25:18
Loved the sharkpod ed really good thanks for the great work I hope the new manager would be Simone but think could be more allegri if I spelt it correct

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{Ed002's Note - You spelt it correctly but it should have a leading capital letter as it is, as a single word, a proper noun. But you should know that.}

08 Jan 2017 11:10:49
By October next season Cech will be 35 Monreal 31 Kos 32 Caz 33 Olly 31 plus its highly likely Sanchez won't be an Arsenal player and Ozil is 50/ 50 and then there's players like Gibbs Theo and Ox who just haven't been able to progress as everyone had hoped they would.
We are going to need to give the next manager time to rebuild whoever they are,

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08 Jan 2017 11:29:56
Gunner you are right, i think we need him in in january so he can get some players in.

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08 Jan 2017 16:25:20
Next summer would be the right time Steve.
If I could write the footballing script for next season it would for Arsene to go on to PSG and win a French title and champions league double in his first season while our new manager would deliver us our first title since 2004 during his first season with us.
Perfect senario for both Arsene and Arsenal

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08 Jan 2017 10:17:51
Lucas Perez.

12 appearances.
6 goals 5 assists.

Top boy 😃

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08 Jan 2017 10:37:33
Let's play him in every game between now and Bayern and find out exactly what he can do, plus Olly too because he's earned the right to start also.

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08 Jan 2017 10:51:04
Clearly needs to play more. Why we persist with Walcott and Ox, who seem too complacent. Perez, Ozil and Sanchez, with Giroud or Welbeck up top. Elneny alongsode Xhaka, when he returns from International duty. The defence sorts it self out, although we need a quality LB.

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08 Jan 2017 11:21:57
Arsenal fans are the worst. Only a few weeks ago Theo had 'turned a corner' and was showing 'desire'. We lose a couple of games (while he's injured I might add) and he's no good again. Classic stuff

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08 Jan 2017 12:18:55
Agree Dicky at his best and fit we miss theo but he's out injured again and that's theo in a nutshell, he won't be the same player when he comes back, he never is.

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08 Jan 2017 12:57:26
That is a very good point Dicky, Theo was having his best season ever when he was available and as being one of his biggest critics I've been very impressed by his attitude since the season started, I'm still a long way from convinced by him as at the age of 28 he's had an awful lot more poor games than good ones for Arsenal.
I suppose he still has a long way to go to convince the likes of myself about himself but he was doing much better than he has done previously that's very true.

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08 Jan 2017 10:02:14
I would like to see Perez keep his starting place in the first 11 think he has been doing well the last few games was a great assist in that giroud goal

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08 Jan 2017 10:31:20
Totally agree mate.

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08 Jan 2017 00:19:03
Well at least we didn't try to sign Draxler - he looks like he will take a while to settle and make an impact for PSG. 😉

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08 Jan 2017 10:43:14
Personally I think Draxler would have had more in common with Theo and Ox than Hazard or David Silva, it would have made more sense to keep Gnarby than sign Draxler imo

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08 Jan 2017 13:02:14
Always thought he was overpriced and overated. Think ox is better

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