Arsenal Banter Archive March 08 2015

08 Mar 2015 21:05:37
Can't wait for tomorrows game, I love Arsenal v Manchester United games even though in recent years things haven't gone well.
I'm hoping for the same as city with Le Coq protecting our back four, shame no Gabriel but hey ho come on THE ARSENAL

08 Mar 2015 22:20:43
I hate them i'm surrounded at work by man u blockheads whom I despise. I've had no joy with them for ages and i'm afraid I won't tomorrow. We will not win the best we can dream of is a draw and even then I honestly don't see us going through. i'm not being pessimistic, but realistic, we don't do mu wins. Tomorrow will be another disappointment, i'm not confident at all.

08 Mar 2015 23:08:58
Sleep well tonight Steve and know that tomorrow will be full of excitement and anticipation until kick off at least :-)
Hey ho beats Arsenal v Darlington in a league cup 2nd round tie on cold Tuesday high in October

08 Mar 2015 19:10:07
Exiled,

In answer to your post.

If I was a young footballer, I would stay with the club who developed me.

I would try to show a certain amount of loyalty and to repay the faith they showed in me.

A footballers career is very short lived, so of course I would listen to offers as my career progresses, but I would not sacrifice my career to benchwarm at another club, unless I was in the twilight of my career.

08 Mar 2015 19:21:47
For me dags the only way I'd stay loyal is if a club had plucked me from non league. Vardy at Leicester. Etc. But football can be a short game. Dean Ashton is still working. Somedo llike the work. Some need to work. I'd chase the money but would still need to be a good move for me. If I was salah I'd of gone Liverpool not chelsea

08 Mar 2015 19:28:18
Personally I think if your Jack Arsenals 100k is worth another clubs 200k simply because the clubs stood by him through injuries and controversy etc (dutch bloke hang your head)
But if your Theo and Arsenal offer you 100k and Liverpool offer the same but a chance to play down the middle as you've always stated is your wish then its a free choice as because that chance looks unlikely to happen with us.
Reasons to be loyal reasons to do what's right for you its a case by case thing I think

08 Mar 2015 20:13:09
OK OK OK get the message about loyalty.

I like the loyal players as well - but there are more facets to loyalty than just the player - Arsenal have sold about 20 players over the last couple of years who were all loyal Arsenal men..... but the club decided they had better players available to buy.....

Personally I don't think it will come to it with Jack as I truly believe he has a special gift and if he can man up and dump the baggage he can end up with a statue out the front of the Emirates

08 Mar 2015 21:48:41
g62 great point about theo that. shame he's never been given much of a chance, i would much prefer him there to welbeck

08 Mar 2015 23:41:40
The thing is, in this day and age should anyone be expected to be loyal to their employer? Even a young footballer who has come through the ranks, they would have seen many of their friends and colleagues dumped from the very same youth set up as soon as the team deems them surplus for requirements, so maybe they will think why should I show any loyalty going forward?

09 Mar 2015 06:29:09
Since the Bosman rule, the players have the upper hand. In a relstively short career, the vast majority of players will be advised to try & make the most of their career from a financial point of view. Sagna is a prime example, in his 30's he was offered a longer deal at massive wages and a signing on fee, which Arsenal were not prepared to match. Having played relatively few matches, he will push for a move in the summer, with the security of his current contract behind him. Whi can blame him....

08 Mar 2015 13:02:24
I said earlier in the season that Ronaldo had passed by Messi in the footballing world and that Messi, despite being the greatest player I've ever seen when at his peak, would never reach that peak again.

Well, I bow down to the little magicians feet and apologise for being wrong. He's back! What a player!

08 Mar 2015 13:25:32
He's been taking classes from ozil, that penalty was the laziest take i have seen, he was lucky he got a retake.

but apart from the usual suspects in this game, pedro impressed me with his work rate, shame he has to constantly look for suarez or messi, without looking at scoring himself. second half ball rarely went to pedro and he was a mere spectator.

Dani Alves has lost it...he gave rayo many chances to counter and his lack of discipline, ended up with him getting a red and i can see why he won't get a contract extension.

08 Mar 2015 09:28:14
Dags,
See where you are coming from about YOUR position and loyalty ... but you are not comparing apples with apples.

How about if you were in early twenties, with average (?) intelligence and knowledge but an in demand with a pretty short shelf life

08 Mar 2015 09:53:30
Its all about the individual I think, if you were let's say a lad from Newcastle who grows up to play for them but has the ability of Messi you have chioces.
Stat with the club you love earn 3 million a year plus advertising etcetera and live where your surrounded by those you love and who knows maybe win an fa cup then retire with 50 million in the bank at the age of 35.
Or take a chance go to Real which you may or may not enjoy earn 15 million a year + add ons win trophies by the dozen and retire at 35 with 200 million in the bank.
How much money do you need? What does 200 mil buy that 50 million can't?
If your chioce is Barnet or Barcelona you have little chioce but to move but if its Newcastle or Real then its about even more money v happiness and loyalty

08 Mar 2015 10:39:28
You don't know how short a career you will have or when the next great opportunity will come...

You can't blame them for wanting more medals and money to fund their lifestyle from 32 to 92.

You get into the history books by winning medals - sports people tend to be winners and want medals.

How many players have stand out seasons - turn down Utd or Arsenal then bomb or get injured with their dreams in tatters or we sign someone else instead.

They have to grab the opportunities for them, their families and careers.

We want players who dream about pulling on our shirt and winning trophies - how does that fit if you tell players to stay loyal??

08 Mar 2015 11:04:52
Its like anything else in life some things have a dufferent value to different people.
Matt Le tissier was happy at Southampton, Sheerar turned his back on just about every club in the world to play for the club he loved but others chase money because that's their motivation not medals that most retired players say they have no idea where they are a couple of years later

08 Mar 2015 16:29:31
Money, easily the most addicitve thing in the world. If you start earning £20k a week like todays young players, it only gives you a taste of what lifestyle you could potentially have. Its human nature to always want more even if you don't want it.

Players that leave for a higher wage or trophies, I wouldn't hold a gruge against. Fabregas left to join his boyhood club and win trophies. You can't blame him. Sagna and Toure left for money and trophies aswell, along with a new challenge in their career.

But its players like Nasri, Adebayor and Van Perise I cannot stand. Both Nasri and Adebayor disrespected the club that made them great players. Van Perise was offered similar wages he's on at Man U, and he stabbed us and Wenger in the back by joining Man U, id rather he went to Spurs.

Theres not a lot of loyalty in football these days, purely because there is so much money in the game now, and this new breed of greedy agents don't help either. But respect to Totti, Maldini, Di Natale, Zanetti, Puyol, Gerrard, Scholes, Giggs etc. They will be eternal due to the amazing legacy they built at there clubs, which is worth more than the millions some players have accumulated at clubs like City, PSG and Anzi.

{Ed025's Note - good post that DG..

08 Mar 2015 18:28:38
On nasri. The owner said sell him for that cash. We cashed in

08 Mar 2015 18:46:51
Arsene has admitted not giving Ashley Cole the extra 5 grand a week was a mistake and him leaving was down to a misunderstanding, personally I think sometimes a player doesn't necessarily want to move for the most money he can get but he doesn't want to be insulted by an offer well below his worth to stay either.

08 Mar 2015 18:50:27
i would like to say respect to delph, contract running down, liverpool and spurs wanting to get him on the cheap, give him better wages, villa looking pretty likely to drop. but re signed for them

08 Mar 2015 08:20:01
Paper talk this morning of Wilshere to City for £30M. I know here are mixed opinions of Wilshere and some wouldn't mind seeing him leave but I'd hate to see another gooner head over to Manchester. If wenger doesn't see a future for him at arsenal perhaps a nice trip abroad would be more to our liking for him.

08 Mar 2015 08:47:20
30mill for Jack? Where do I sign?

08 Mar 2015 08:48:21
Depay to manu too. He's an excellent player that boy.

08 Mar 2015 09:14:00
Its a scary thought bacaon because if he did for fill that wonderful potential in a city shirt I would be horrible to watch but!
A move to Manchester might be a good move for all
Jack, it would get him free from the hangers on who surround him and do him no favours at all+ he wouldn't have the burden of being their king in waiting as he has been ours for since a child.
For us, it would give us funds to strengthen else where and free Arsene from the obligation I think he feels towards Jack.
For city, well its an English player with fantastic potential who joined them having to prove himself to his new team mates, fans and manager and if it went well would be a very big asset.
I don't particularly want him gone but can see the advantages for all if it happened

08 Mar 2015 09:54:13
He'd do a Scott Sinclair and turn up four years later playing for villa in the fa cup semi final

08 Mar 2015 10:25:14
The odds are your right Saint but dispite Sinclair Johnson and Roswell's experience it would be a big opportunity for Jack and probably his best chance of making it at the highest level because of the reasons above hangers on and expectations with us

08 Mar 2015 10:40:06
Saint, that's ridiculous, villa won't make another semi final in four years :-)

08 Mar 2015 18:58:36
i love jack and really want him to be great, but i feel its kind of counter productive to have him around, we have too many players in his best position, he's got to be a cm or am for me and ozil ramsey and santi are all ahead of him there. yet wenger tries to play as many of them at once as he can. he's too indisciplined for dm and doesn't have the pace to play on the wing. if we sold him for £30mil and got schniederlin for £30mil the team would be much better