Arsenal Banter Archive November 08 2014

 

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08 Nov 2014 22:32:36
Arsene must be so happy he never pronounced us the Champions of Autumn last year.

Imagine having to repeat that year on year, Mourinho's made a right rod for his own back there. :-)

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08 Nov 2014 23:14:07
Unfortunately, Mourinho seems to be able to back up his words.

Chelsea look unstoppable ATM.

Chelsea are a one man team.
That man is Mourinho.

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Morinho's greatest strength is he does things simply, he identity's what he has and how best to use it for each job he faces.
He has a plan he prefers but is never afraid to adapt it to what is needed to get the required result.
Horse's for course's nothing more complicated than that,

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08 Nov 2014 23:38:43
Hang on a minute there Dags, I think you'll find Wenger has won that fourth place trophy countless times. :-)

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09 Nov 2014 08:00:09
Absolutely G62.

Agree Red Dog, Mourinho has won Champs League, Europa League and League Titles everywhere he has been but, until he wins the 4th place trophy he cannot be considered a good manager :-)

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08 Nov 2014 12:18:52
I posted that I had seen a rumour the other day that Ozil wanted to leave us and that City were interested, I wrote that 'if' this were true then we should ask for something in return as we are stronger financially now than in the past.

This was posted on the rumours page and has prompted some responses as if I were critisizing one of our 'best' players.

I would like this to be posted on Banter please ed's as would like some of the regulars opinions on this.

The Question is:

If Ozil wants to leave (if) and we could get decent money or even a player (eg Toure) in return, who would welcome that? Providing we used the money to sign say a world class holding midfielder or CB of course.

Just to clarify, I want Ozil to stay and I want him to be able to play in his prefered position, but with the addition of Sanchez I don't want him to sit on the bench and fade away.

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Only two players I would take are Aguero and Kompany.

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G95, what about if we got say £32m, took a loss and signed maybe Hummels?

The way I see it is hat we have plenty of attacking options but our spine needs serious money invested, as much as Ozil could still prove an asset, if he doesn't play well his value will decrease and apparently he is on around £145k per week, so if he is unhappy letting him go would free up a huge weekly wage.

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08 Nov 2014 14:35:23
IF it were the case he wanted to leave etc. I think a swap would be out of the question. We couldn't afford the wages of city players. Especially a player the calibre of Ozil on City books.

I don't want to say take money or name a price. Maybe if in the hypothetical you could be guaranteed to get someone like Hummels as result I'd be tempted given the nature our defence but personally I think Ozil is a superb player and I'd rather give him the chance to come good

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08 Nov 2014 17:15:25
If we lost Ozil, I would love a decent DM like Carvalho.

Don't want to lose Ozil but let's just see what he performs like when he returns from injury.

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08 Nov 2014 19:24:13
Wenger would probably pass on Toure as Diaby is coming back to fitness

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08 Nov 2014 20:26:14
Sarcasm 1404? Lol

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Swapping the pre Arsenal worlds king of assists for the DM we desperately need? Mmm bit like swapping one piece of a jigsaw for another really, I know it's not very us like but how about we complete the picture by having both that's the way of future champions imo

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08 Nov 2014 23:38:12
Yes Dags, but you could actually imagine Wenger saying it though that's the biggest laugh of all.

Aguero, all day everyday.

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I hope the days of selling to rivals are past, imagine we sold them ozil at a loss and he came good, that would be horrific

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08 Nov 2014 12:10:12
GOSH!! Sheeny let's not tell fibs, how bad would that be.

TUT TUT
Club comes first ask SAF he did it countless times.

would you rather lie about a players fitness as no one would really know the truth //////// or sulk off down the tunnel and not shake your opposite numbers hand because he has out thought you.

Take your pick

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08 Nov 2014 12:29:35
I'm saying how do expect him to get away with it in such a high profile scenario? "no one would really no the truth" don't be naive. There'd be media 5#!T5T0RM and you know it.

And you know how the media love Wenger as much as SAF, right?

And like the others have said we need him to get game time anyway. The way we're playing at the minute we can't afford to give him game time because because we can't close out a game long enough to ease him back into form.

You want us to lose anyway so why are so concerned about how Walcott gets on. Hardly would help you're case to have him fit.

Take your pick

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Who wants us to lose? Surely no true fan would EVER want their team to lose?

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Don't be naïve

Hilarity

Sheeny, SAF did it all the time, or aren't you old enough to remember.

Lets see what you think when we get injuries, worried about what the media say oh come off it

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I have supported Arsenal for over 40 years, I was at the cup final when we lost to Luton :(, I was at Wrexham when that little twit Thomas scored. I was also at Anfield on that famous night, I have given my all but i'm afraid we have to finish outside of European places to get something done.

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Banbury, I kind of get what you're saying but in todays world of football I would be sceptical that it would work in our favour, the knock on effect of not being in the Champions league would impact us financially and world class players may not want to come to us, also some of our players may look to move elsewhere.

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Can I just say no one wants us to lose ever we all want us to be top come May but unfortunately that's looking as far away as Ever at the moment.
Personally I'd be over the moon with 2nd or a close 3rd but I'd rather 5th than 4th again.
Something has to change and get us out of this never ending circle of just enough to make a great profit and if that means taking a step back to force 10 forward that's a price worth paying imo.
The ideal scenario is we go up 10 notches without that happening of course but one way or the other things need to change

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08 Nov 2014 21:15:40
40 years an Arsenal supporter. Is it going to take you 40 years to answer my question? Or are you just going to try and demean me rather than support your own argument? I'm 23 years a gunner is that good enough for you?

How would you expect him to get away with it without a media fit? SAF got away. The press for the majority of it loved Fegrie. Wenger wouldn't get away with it and if you think he would and no one would really no and the media would go mad over how the French man is killing the England then yes you are naive.

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09 Nov 2014 10:32:05
Interesting Banbury and Sheeny. I was speaking to an ex-professional player a few weeks back, he was saying that if you speak to anyone in the Emirates, the dictator is Wenger, from the training ground to the food to etc etc. So in that sense he is like Fergie.

In creating title winning teams, he's not. He is a very good manager and a brilliant economist. Not on Fergie's level as a coach. Good footballing philosophy, but doesn't always buy the best, subs are sometimes bonkers, blind spots to any weaknesses etc etc.

My issue is, he is still one of the best. Even Van Gaal has proven to have feet of clay, so has pretty much every manager around. None of them are perfect, that's the reality. Klopp who everyone wants is now at the bottom of the german league.

So my question Banbury is what shall we replace Wenger with?

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Good question OB!

The only person I know that thinks they are in charge more and knows more about everything is my GF so we should replace AW with her!

Will give me some peace and quiet too

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08 Nov 2014 10:16:24
Be interesting to see bony tomorrow and how he plays against us. i'm still unsure why a bigger team hasn't brought him yet.

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Let's hope the answer to that is much clearer at 5.45pm Derby and he and 2 others have been subbed because not their awful performances and unprecedented hatrick of own goals each :-)

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08 Nov 2014 12:10:04
Same reason Michu isn't in the premiership anymore. Every year there's a one season wonder, usually in their first EPL season, scoring a host of goals and impressing everyone then the next season they do squat.

Odemwinge/Moses/Benteke/Michu

This seasons candidates so far I reckon are Pelle/Berahino and Ulloa if he picks it up again.Though they may all turn out very successful.

Bony isn't doing too bad this year but his not on his game compared to last year. If he nets 18 or more this year someone will probably pick him up in summer.

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08 Nov 2014 04:33:16
Hey Guys,

I have been trolling this site for a while now (the rumours section) and have just came across this page. Like everyone else here I am a loyal gunner who just wants the best for our club. I would like to bounce around a couple of thoughts with you guys including the Eds and get some feedback.

First of all I'd just like to say Arsenal are not in as bad a position as some of you guys are claiming. Yes we have had some poor results, yes I would like Rambo to hit last years form and yes I would like not to have 100 injuries but we are still keeping up with the league leaders and have the last 16 berth of the champions league in our grasp. Things can only get better.

In regards to some transfer issues that myself and others seem to have with the Arsenal management every season I would like to point out that by delivering us Alexis, Debuchy, Chambers and to an extent Welbeck the board has done well in the summer. Having said that, when I compare Arsenal to the elite teams across Europe it frustrates me to no end because we are literally 2-3 established players away from being a true powerhouse both home and across the continent.

We are crying out for an established central defender and have been for years. Last year Per Mert did okay but hasn't been outstanding the way other foreign recruits like Vidic or Carvalho have been in the past for a leading premiership club. We needed to bite the financial bullet in the summer to get a top central defender into our team. Personally I think it should have been Benetia but why not just attempt to throw £20-30 million at Madrid for someone like Varane? I'm sure they would hate to lose such a talented player but Madrid have overheads like everyone else and we all know they are very much a play for today type of team. Would that have been feasible? I don't know but I would like to think the board may have considered it.

In regards to our other major problem in the middle of the park. Since Patrick Viera left to join Juventus we have never had that natural steal in midfield. Sure Fabregas was a leader but he was no physical presence. Alex Song did pretty well but he has never really rediscovered that fantastic form during his final season at the Emirates. So why haven't we pushed on and to bring in this type of player since he left? I have no idea. Since the days of Claude Makelele it has always been pivotal to have that defensive brass in your minefield. Chelsea know it, that's why they currently sit top. Man City know it, that's why they won the league last year. Do we know it? I hope so!

In an ideal world I personally would like for us to sign one of the Bender brothers (preferably Sven as he's more physical) or Morgan Schneiderlin who I believe is a very good player. Although, with Sami Khedira's contract up at the end of the season I would not be disappointed if we got him on a bargain deal. The guy was so influential at the 2014 World Cup, a real leader and is an absolute mountain of a man. I am very aware of the FFP regulations but surely Arsenal being a huge club worldwide would have the revenue and turnover capacity to make these signings.

Lastly I would just like to get some of your thoughts of Bayern winger Shaquiri. I have read reports from sources all over the world (blid, marca, herald, age, telegraph) that he is looking to leave Germany with clubs such as Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Juventus, Inter and Valencia all keeping tabs on his situation. My question is this, is he player who would fit into our system? He's young, he has ability, he has experience and he caught the eye for Switzerland at the 2014 World Cup. He seems a much more feasible option to players such as Reus, Pedro, Draxler etc in terms of wages and transfer fee. Should we give him a chance? Sanchez was great in Spain but wasn't exactly a world beater at Barcelona and look how he's performing in our team. I personally think we could spend a lot more on other players and do a lot worse.

Again I apologise for the length of this post but I hope it gives some folk some food for thought.

#gunnerdownunder

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Good and fair post, we are not that far off!

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You carry on saying that Red, but if that is acceptable then fair enough.

REALITY
We are always not far off

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08 Nov 2014 12:19:51
I'm with Banbury on that one. We're 2-3 players off for the last 8 seasons!

Every team is 2-3 players off something better.

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So here is my take - in this case as the manager has been here so long - I would suggest more its the manager than the players. We have internationals at very position. Although I hate him, swap in Mourinho or Klopp - not for everything but for game management and I think we challenge for the title, at least get a lot closer and not so stale and frustrating!

That said, I think we need a young DM to apprentice with Arteta, 1-2 defenders (1 CD and 1 flexible) and probably a GK.

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08 Nov 2014 14:39:56
Fair point Rooster. Wenger is increasingly looking like the weakest link

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Can we really just leave the blame at Arsene's feet? In my opinion he has had worst squads than the one we have now. He can only do so much, the players must stand up and take some, if not most of the responsibility for the performances on the pitch.

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07 Nov 2014 23:24:05
LOL,
just searched my name on search engine. We have come a long way gooners, it was all fair banter back then but some of the arguements have made me chuckle tonight.

Worth a search if your page is slow & your bored :)

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08 Nov 2014 00:24:03
Chris,

Apparently you are an American football quarterback lol

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08 Nov 2014 01:21:57
One of my vast array of talents dags 😜

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There was a point where you became Chris the person instead of chris the complete person across all the pages mate
Just goes to show mate when real life happens football just isn't very important at all and the bast in us all shines through.
Still think your our 3pt banker, no that's not rhyming slang :-)

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08 Nov 2014 07:48:40
Umm thanks I think g62?.

And u have every right to feel confident, I mean in recent times I have a great record against us, oh hang on 😊

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Well Chris at the start of the sesson I was confident of a few things chavs would win the title Arsenal would pip utd into 3rd, Liverpool would finish around 7th and we would beat you at home without question and most probably away as well this season.
Next season may well be a very different story but at the moment we are a much better team than you and anything less than a win would be every bit as disastrous as the Hull and Anderlecht results.
There's very little about this season to enjoy so far but I fully expect to be happy happy happy two weeks today mate

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08 Nov 2014 10:24:08
We will see mate, feel the opposite in terms of this game, I dnt care wot form we are in I always fancy our chances against u.

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