Arsenal Banter Archive October 08 2014

 

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08 Oct 2014 21:04:19
If we do well and play better without Mesut will this mean the end for him and he'll be sold in either January or the summer?

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{Ed002's Note - I would doubt it.}

08 Oct 2014 21:37:48
Doubt it very much mate, unless a swap deal is involved.

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Hope your right Ed as I'd be gutted if Ozil leaves us as a failure, he was a class player when we got him

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09 Oct 2014 20:47:16
I would try to tempt bayern into a swap Ozil plus cash for muller failing that Goetze

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08 Oct 2014 19:34:12
Someone please explain to me our injury list?? How do we get so many long term injuries.there is something seriously wrong at Arsenal

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Something is up for sure as to why we get so many soft tissue non contact injuries. Do we train too hard or not enough? is there too much technical passing work done and not enough physical conditioning in training, are we doing correct warm up and cool downs before and after training?. There is something behind this that we are doing fundamentally wrong I am sure of it. It can't all be down to bad luck.

I could understand more us getting more contact based injuires because of the nature of our play unfortuatly slower opponents are more likely to catch to with late tackles even if unintentional. A lot of our injuries seem to happen without contact though.

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Hello mate good to hear from you.
I think there wasa lot in what Gael Clichy said when he got to city, there players tackle full blooded in training and at Arsenal that was not allowed to stop injuries.
In theory it makes sense but in practice so isn't working, plus explains to some degree our inability to mix it when the going gets tough in games.

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08 Oct 2014 21:09:59
Four of the eight are back this month with Ramsey listed as the 1st November.

The other three Ozil, Giroud and Debuchy are waiting in the wings as new January signings.

Some have doubts over Ospina and Koscielny with GIbbs likely to be out at the break of a finger nail and others don't care if Diaby or Sanogo ever come back. Jack of course will succumb to yet another ankle injury and it is only a matter of time before the injury curse that hangs over the club strikes Welbeck, Sanchez and Chambers.

It's all Wengers fault because they are small, soft, midgets with little or no pain thresh hold and Shad was actually a fraud and found to be nothing more than a circus clown. He will be returning to the big top shortly.

If only Arsene had rotated with all the players apparently not up to the task all would have well in the World. Unfortunately he didn't and the wheel hanging on by one rusty bolt has well and truly fallen off.

Apart from that I have no medical training nor a clue about what the feck is going on. Pretty much the same as the rest of us. ;-)

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08 Oct 2014 21:42:15
Was pretty much going to post what Ryan posted.

Also, we pick up injuries left, right and centre, but how come Diego Costa, who came to Chelsea with a history of hamstring problems, and is never injured?

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08 Oct 2014 23:12:37
I think Chelsea have the best fitness and medical personnel in the league.

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08 Oct 2014 23:37:17
And they have the fittest physio, lol.

She's well sweet :-)

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Too many lightweight players not up to the physical demand I suspect has something to do with it.
Although I have heard our conditioning and fitness methods are out of date as well

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If my physio looked like chelseas you couldn't drag me away from the treatment room

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{Ed001's Note - have you ever noticed that they tend to have more need of a physio than any other team? Mind I would need the physio every time anyone even breathed on me if she looked like her too!!}

08 Oct 2014 19:29:38
To be quite honest, ozil has been a bit of a passenger recently and hopefully this time out will do him a bit of good. Also hope means cazorla goes back to the no10 and Campbell/chambo will get more game time. The injury list is still embarrassing though haha

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I don't wish injury on anybody but the Ozil injury may be a blessing really in now Wenger should use Ox more in the wider position and he will be a lot more effective.

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08 Oct 2014 18:40:20
Over the next 3 years the Wenger faithful if all goes well will get there chance to lap up the apologies from those of us who think he is past it, that has to be thing that unites both side of the Arsene devide.
But please let's not hear in 3 years time how if Arsene had only had 22 years instead of the 21he was given :-).
Arsene should and will see out his contract and then only those with the deepest rose coloured or darkest glasses will refuse to be wrong still, I've a feeling there will be a few either way :-)

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08 Oct 2014 21:44:18
Only time will tell mate.

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Im predicting before the end of the season dags will join the movement

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08 Oct 2014 17:55:34
What a horrible, miserable bunch on here lately, lol.

C'mon everybody, stop the fighting and cheer up.

A) we have a fully fit squad.

B) we are unbeaten.

C) we have a great tactically astute manager.

D) we are good as Chelsea.

E) we have a manager who is not afraid to spend.

F) we are playing attractive, one touch football.

See, reasons to be cheerful :-)

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So you think we ARE Chelsea, dags? Lol

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08 Oct 2014 18:27:58
It wouldn't matter to some if we had all of those as so far the only people above complaint are

A) Szczesny, oh no sorry he's still dodgy
B) Mertesacker, oh no he's to slow
C) Koscielny, oh no he's a penalty waiting to happen
D) GIbbs, no he's injury prone
E) Monreal, no he's just not good enough
F) Arteta, no to slow, to old
G) Flamini, see Arteta
H) Ramsey, see poll where he won't be missed
I) Ozil, no, waste of money, needs to man up
J) Wilshere, no, see previous 11, 578 posts about him
K) Cazorla, no, not the player he was when he first arrived
L) Podolski, no, lazy and not bothered
M) Sanogo, shouldn't be in an Arsenal shirt
N) Giroud, now missed but didn't like him when he played
O) Rosicky, doesn't seem interested
P) Diaby, simply the name

Guess that leaves Chambers, Welbeck, Sanchez, Campbell and Debuchy who can count their blessings for now.

Walcott and Gnabry must be chuffed they've been injured.

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The prosecution has no questions ma lord but would like to thank the defence and by them a pint :-)

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08 Oct 2014 18:30:50
I'll have whatever Dags is having! Sounds like it works!

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08 Oct 2014 18:31:09
I wish Akie, lol

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Red dog I was just about to jump ship to the pro Arsene group but now seeing as you've come over to this camp I'll stay, nice to be on the same side of this debate for once mate :-)

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08 Oct 2014 19:21:30
Red Dog. I feel I have to defend Gibbs, Koscielny, Szczezny and Ramsey, and Rosicky, though you're right about the rest.

Gibbs is injury prone but one of the most underrated and consistent fullbacks in Europe, can't remember the last time he had a bad game.

Koscielny has given away 8 penalties in over 200 appearances, it's still quite a lot in comparison but 3 maybe 4 of those penalties were total BS. See Villa last season (got the ball) Stoke last season (bounced onto his hand, nothing he could do about it). Otherwise he is not far from being a world class centre half and has more fight in him than anyone else in the team.

Szczezny. He's 24, that's still VERY young for a goal keeper. He as the potential to be one of the best (see him annihilating Bale against Tottenham) his problem is concentration and cockiness, if he can sort that out he'll become on of the best in the league.

Ramsey - I don't know how anyone can think he wouldn't be miss, without him we'd probably be looking at 10 years without a trophy and longer, and his form last season, had he stayed fit he'd have been up there with Suarez and Toure.

Rosicky - How old is he now. 34? Give the guy a break, until the start of this season he was playing some of his best football, and is still one of our better midfielders who deserves more game time in my opinion.

And I thought I was critical of players. :P

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Red Dog I'm going with A, F, G, and my hand goes towards the I option but I'll wait a little longer for that.
A) Simply because it's true. Second goal for Chelsea, Szczezny rushes forward and then stops and gets lobbed. He had time to intercept the ball while in Costa's feet, but probably deep inside he knew he would miss the ball, grab Costa by the waist and start dancing.
F) Already discussed.
G) Same as above

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To be fair on Aaron I think most people were answering in relation to the chavs game not the entire length of his absence.
He hasn't hit top form yet and odds were he'd have not made a big difference on Sunday

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08 Oct 2014 19:54:57
Gents,

Those are not my opinions, those are the complaints of numerous posters which seem to cover not just Arsene but all but a few of our players only Walcott and Gnabry going completely unscathed simply because they've been injured.

It was simply to highlight at this moment in time very few are very happy with anything much to do with Arsenal.

I remain a blind Wenger in kind of a guy who by all accounts knows nothing, sees nothing and hears nothing.

He has his faults a team playing no where near form is falling nicely into the lap of those who want him out. :-)

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Red I don't want him out I just want him to accept what isn't working and change it, 2 years 33 games to do it in now

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08 Oct 2014 22:18:05
G62, he's a stubborn old man, do you really see him doing a U-turn on his 'philosophy'? Because I don't! Providing his replacement is Klopp or of the like, those 2 years and 33 games can't end soon enough!

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08 Oct 2014 17:23:15
I just don't get all this faith in Wilshere. One super performance against Barcelona eons ago, and a wonderful TEAM EFFORT GOAL (it was not a solo effort) against Norwich and somehow he is our saviour. He runs at the defence more than any other player that I agree, But then for a player who hogs the ball so much, he certainly doesn't have enough assists no goals to his name. What's the use of running half the length of the pitch and then not releasing the attacking players or taking the shot yourself?

I wish we could do a count of the number of times he's sitting on his ass waving to the ref. Now on that stat he would definitely come out tops in the league

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09 Oct 2014 00:06:25
He doesn't sit on his arse waving at the ref half as much as cazorla and giroud do I know that, and ozil can't wave at the ref as he needs his hands to wipe away the tears.

Jack is ******* awesome

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08 Oct 2014 17:19:34
What the hell did Wenger see in that new fitness coach? I can't remember the last time we had such a consisted weekly stream of newly injured players! Ozil, Ramsey, Arteta, Monreal, Debuchy, Giroud, and Sanogo. SEVEN PLAYERS in the space of SEVEN WEEKS! I feel that I need to discount Giroud and Debuchy as they were unfortunate more than anything else but that's still five players in seven weeks which is pathetic when you're supposed to be one of the worlds biggest professional sports teams with a crop of athletes who are meant to be in peak physical condition.

It seems that even if the key signings in the midfield and defence wouldn't have made a difference due to the bang up job this new member of staff is doing!

It seems as though we're worse off in more areas than just on the pitch and that we will also need an overhaul of the backroom staff as well as the manager (yes I am now officially part of the Wenger Out lot) and maybe a third of our first team players.

I shouldn't have picked the start of this season to quit smoking.

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08 Oct 2014 16:06:17
I actually thought ozil had been injured for last 12 weeks?
Only joking another one to join the treatment table at least wenger won't be playing him out of position for a while!
Fingers crossed no more injuries 😳😳😳

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08 Oct 2014 15:24:40
Ozil an his injury, am I missing smehing? did he pickit up whilst ith Germany or is it an ijury Arsenal did not detect? or did he travel with German squad ith the knowledge of his inury, I am reaing a 10-12 we layoff, hardly a little knock.

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08 Oct 2014 17:59:29
Shane,

Just to be a little light hearted I made a word up from all the individual letters missing from your post.

The word is TWONKED and that's what happened to him, he got TWONKED good and proper. ;-)

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08 Oct 2014 15:05:44
Now Ozil is injured. How long before Wenger wakes up and reverts to a team containing more robust players, played in a less stressful formation and uses his squad?

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08 Oct 2014 15:27:16
To be fair how long will it be before Wenger is responsible for Apes taking over the world, a nuclear holocaust, the return of the black plague, maybe he is the one who started off the Ebola epidemic.

It can only be a matter of time!

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Red Dog 81 - The buck stops with Wenger as far as the team is concerned. We have had constant injury problems for many seasons. In my opinion it is down to the formation & style we are playing, as well as not having a squad with sufficient quality to rotate. It comes as no shock that the three players with long term injuries all went to the world cup: Ozil, Giroud & Debauchy. God knows how our remaining defenders will cope until January.

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08 Oct 2014 17:44:55
*Debuchy

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With you robbie, Wenger has so much power in the club, more than most managers would at a club. The fact that we have had the most ever premier league injuries (888) last time I checked and a combined injury list of over 1000 days last season, 1000 DAYS! Something has to change!

It's always the depth of the defence at fault, 3 center backs at the start of the season, one of which was a right back last year, Monreal has had to play there and Sagna did last season.

2 months is a long time to do transfers, how can it take soo long to do deals, sanchez is fair enough, liverpool dragging the suarez deal out didn't help, but the Opsina deal took far to long, we knew it was done before Wenger. Some deals like Higuain, M'vila were done deals, then POOF, they're somewhere else.

This has gone from an injury post to a wenger bashing post, sorry guys can't help it.

Akie over and out.

Wenger out. Lowe in.

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08 Oct 2014 15:01:48
Who next???

Just heard Ozil out for up to 12 weeks.

So should be fit for the January transfer window.

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Glad we have a new fitness coach! One week into October & the following are injured:
Debauchy, Ozil, Walcott, Gnabry, Giroud, Arteta, Ramsey, Abu Diaby Sanogo!! Is Ospina fit? I seem to recall that Martinez was on the bench for the last match & Koscielny is reported to be carrying an achilles problem.
If we pick up any further injuries in the international break, we will be down to the bare bones.

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Robbie.

Walcott Gnabry and Diaby have been long term injury cases inherited by SF Debuchy and Giroud, you can hardly lay any blame towards SF for those 2. Ramsey ok you can be objective with that but when you look at how the injury happened he was over stretching, a typical way for a player to pull a muscle.
His role is to prevent players like Diaby for example from having persistent little injuries. And of course players overall fitness. He's not a miracle injury preventer.

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Rocky - I can accept the previous injuries, but it is now beyond a joke. Since the start of the season we have, at some stage been without: Debauchy, Gibbs, Monreal, Ramsey, Arteta, Flamini, Giroud, Ozil, Abu Diaby, Sanogo, Ospina & Wilshere. That excludes the 'old' injuries to Walcott & Gnabry.
Yet, we have hardly played Campbell, Rosicky, Podolski & Coquelin.
I can see us coming unstuck before the January window & struggling to finish in the top four.

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Robbie you spelt debauchery wrong!

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08 Oct 2014 13:05:38
Seeing as Wenger is the hot topic just now I thought I would post my opinion. For me, comments about other teams financial clout and ffp rules from Wenger have made me think that along with poor tactics his problem is a small club mentality, at odds with the financial freedom we have recently moved into . Just my thoughts on the issue, don't shoot me!

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I think that's a very good post looney.
The ffp is like many things in life lovely in theory but very difficult to make a reality.
Personally I'm a bit torn on it, too much money ruins anything eventually but at the same time so does dictatorship.
All transfers should be paid in full at the time of purchase and every club should at the start of a season have a years wages in the bank, no more credit or debt.
If a billionaire wants to pay £200,000,000 on the spot for players then as long as he has the dosh I think its fair enough, and if a club wants to pay half a billion in wages and they can show they have it then surely its up to them.
Implement these rules and wages and transfer fee's would fall like stones as its a lot harder to part with real money that use a credit card and tends to make every one a little more sensible

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08 Oct 2014 13:02:03
A while ago someone asked us all who would we most like back in an arsenal shirt. Ex arsenal players. Most seid either Henry, viera, petit, bergkamp. Which I thought there was a case for either. But now I thought about it we need the organisation, leadership of a player like tony adams

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08 Oct 2014 13:13:21
Right now I think we are begging for Gilberto or Edu. Or Flamini 2007. -:).

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08 Oct 2014 11:46:13
So Wochiech is saying that Jack is almost the complete midfielder and the lad himself is saying that we're seeing the best of him.

I'm sorry but am I the only one who thought he was absolutely god awful against Chelsea (his passing especially) and that his form has been a story of Jekyl and Hyde so far this season? He is still a shadow of the player who bossed the Barcelona midfield in his breakthrough season.

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I just wish he was 6foot2 he would be a beast. I just worry he will never be a regular starter here more squad player

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08 Oct 2014 12:59:09
Him and Sanchez were the only players trying to make an effort. He did the best he could in a poor team performance.

He is definitely coming back to his best however I agree i'm not sure if he will be the Barcelona player again/for a while

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08 Oct 2014 13:07:40
He's on his way, but he's not there yet. By a long shot. Holds the ball too long still. I think he's still finding his way positionally. He was better against City, probably his best game this year. At least he's taking the knocks without getting injured.

Jack, and the whole team, need to stop playing the referee, pick themselves up and get on with it. We're getting too whiny and too easy to frustrate. I'm fed up with all the arms up in the air with frustration behavior. Get that out of their game and they'll all play better.

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If Wilshere had never played that game against Barcelona would people be as critical of him now?

I think it's wrong to always go back to 1 specific performance and compare everything else against that.

If you take that 1 performance away then jack would have been 1 of 14 players who played poorly against Chelsea.

This is the longest Wilshere has had free of Serious injury. He is getting stronger and his performances will get better and better. It doesn't help though when the other 9 outfield players are all playing poorly too tho.

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08 Oct 2014 14:50:18
Totally agree Rocky, this season injury free will see him take great strides but I think next will see him back to his real best.

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08 Oct 2014 00:56:13
Ozil and Sanchez cost the same as Cesc and Costa.

:-(

what else do I say.

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Yes and they are equally as good. Exchange the pair & Mourinho would get better performances from Sanchez & Ozil, playing in a team properly set up.
The problem we have is that the team is imbalanced with too many small technical players, playing an over-passing game in a poor formation.
Imagine Arsenal with Matic, Cech & Obi Mikel, set out properly. They would be challenging for top honours.
Wenger's teams up till 2004/5 were powerful units, properly set out. Since them he played tippy tappy football with smaller technical players.
The better point would have beenm can you imagine Mourinho keeping Arteta & Flamini?
In Wenger's defence, we were without Debauchy, Ramsey, Walcott & Giroud, all probable first eleven players. Take out Ivanovic, Fabregas, Hazzard & Costa from the Chelsea line up and the result against us would have been different.

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Ashish & Reet, They might cost less, but c'mon guys, its wages. We're not breaking the wage structure and that's it. A £140,000 week wage ceiling is pretty high and reasonable if you ask me. So let's stop dreaming about they cost the same or less, Cesc salary is a reported £220k a week - nuff said.

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08 Oct 2014 09:44:28
Day, u realise ure wage bill is higher than chelsea yes?

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Spot on reply Robbie is the tatics not the players

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08 Oct 2014 11:01:20
How come Arsenal's wage bill is significantly higher than Chelsea's? So hard to believe.

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08 Oct 2014 11:38:58
Podolski is on £110k alone.

We have also just got a load of contract extensions signed up so obviously the wage bill has grown (not so sure Chelsea have done this recently)

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08 Oct 2014 12:56:18
Azpi, Courtois, Cahill, Hazard all signed extensions. The only players on short term contracts are Schwarzer and Terry.

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If indeed our wage bill is higher that is crazy, I thought when we got rid of the "dead wood" it would have reduced, even taking into account the 2 high profile signings.

To me it seems like we have a management problem all through the club.

We are awful at getting prospective players signed.

We have Injuries that are meant to be short term that carry on for ever and a day.

We get held to ransom when we try to buy or sell and often get shafted.

Wenger management has already been taked to death on here.

What is happening to my football club?

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Firstly cesc wasnt available when we bought ozil, but when he was available we had too many players similar. As for Costa and Sanchez they are very different players and Sanchez looks a great signing imo

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