Arsenal Banter Archive December 09 2014

 

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09 Dec 2014 20:51:22
Wonder goal from Ramsey, quite incredible strike .

Now taken of??????? let's hope there is no injury

3 up

Very good first half performance

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09 Dec 2014 21:17:44
Absolute worldie mate.

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09 Dec 2014 21:56:53
it was an absolute wonder strike! Far better than his strike last season against Liverpool.

Incredible

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That goal was right up there with the best the technique to strike the ball so hard and accurately from almost a side on position like that was superb.

Usually if you try that kind of back spin you have to take the power off the shot a lot to maintain accuracy else it will just fly over, but this one just flew in the corner.

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09 Dec 2014 20:18:59
And this is why you always trust in Ramsey.
Joshuafish

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09 Dec 2014 19:52:03
Why doesn't Podolski play more? The guy scores every time whether its 5 minutes at the end of the game or when he starts. He gives us something no one else can a frigging bomb for a shot. He would open so much up. I have said this many times. I am baffled

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Because he is ridiculously lazy. He needs to play in a system that does not require the wide forwards to track back.

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Agree totally he offers something a bit different directness and he always shots on sight. He can be pretty deadly with that left foot and always tends to have impact on the game. Perhaps Wenger just sees him as a impact sub but he deserves more game time as his goal ratio considering how few minutes he plays must be top notch.

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10 Dec 2014 01:42:02
G95 is spot on

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Agree 95 shame though it is, but added a few million to his January fee last night

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Sheeny just took my words, G95 is spot on. Podolski is a very lazy player. he's great as a forward, however for the 1st 20 minutes he will track back and then he loses concentration. that's why he is always pulled off after 60 minutes. Most teams like their players to track back, we like to do it more as we are a very attacking team. This is why I believe Wenger doesn't use him much because he won't do what he tells him to which is track back. IMHO

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09 Dec 2014 19:16:51
Wenger just said 15 years in the cl yea but we have never won it simple and never will

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09 Dec 2014 19:11:42
Been reading a few people's take on Mr wenger so I thought I'd have my say on him.

After last season when we won the FA Cup and he signed the contract I had mixed views, if he didn't sign it then at least he left on a high. Upon him signing it I was excited to see how he faired in the transfer window, let's be fair he spent far more than most of us thought, bought alexis which I think is the signing of the season(totally not biased lol) I think chambers is a good player, just needs to be a little more intelligent with his decision making but that comes over time. Welbeck I thought was a really good signing, debuchy was the perfect replacement for sagna and for spins there hasn't been enough playing time from him to suggest his worth as such.

Now I'm slowly creeping towards the Wenger out brigade, what the fans did at the weekend was totally disgraceful as many of you have agreed with, he doesn't deserve that, he's made mistakes but proves he's human.

Now when the day comes (whether that be the end of the season or 2 years time) that he steps down or gets sacked, who will replace him? Arsenal Football Club has ALWAYS been noted for its Class, it's History and let's face it Arsene has a fair few pages in our history book let alone the EPL, would we want someone like Mourinho to come in an ruin that? Yes he may get us trophies but if that's all some fans care about then our club would attract football fans that only care about glory e.g many United fans I knew that only supported them because they won things, didn't care about the club.

Mourinho was booed out of Real Madrid, the reason being that he turned the most successful club into dirty tacklers, win at all costs even if it means deliberately kicking a player to stop him (Mr Ramos comes to mind) and the fans hated that, this wasn't Real Madrid playing they way they do, look at them now. That's not to say that EVERY manager will be like that but when a new manager comes along I would want that manager to play with the same flair that we are famed for just with a couple of modern tweaks.

For those fans that disgraced our club you are dragging the club down far more than Wenger is, if you get your wish and he leaves then the next manager to come along does worse than wenger, that day you will wish that man would come back, the best example of that my fellow supporters is Manchester United.

Right now our club needs support, if you can support Wenger support the players, it's not always their fault in the same way it's not always Wengers fault but support Arsenal Football Club, for what the club stands for and what it has achieved.

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{Ed025's Note - good post that essex..

09 Dec 2014 20:14:05
Very good post Essex.

Not all would agree, but top post.

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Not a good post, great post. Its embarrassing when fans act like that. Worst thing about it, its mostly Arsenal fans that end up fighting with each other. Ridiculous.

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09 Dec 2014 18:29:27
I'm going to go for a cheeky 1-1 tonight.

Monsieur Sanogo to score.

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2-1

either way

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3-1 to us, podolski with 2

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{Ed025's Note - im going for 1-1..

Neither team have anything to play for so will either be a drab 0 0 or 2 1 either way imo

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09 Dec 2014 20:31:01
Good call G62, lol.

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Bad call 62 :)

Same as me though

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So close 337!

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Huh hum ^^^^^^

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10 Dec 2014 01:08:04
Respect 337,

I take my bowler hat off to you Sir.

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10 Dec 2014 01:43:45
337 was closest without going over!BOB BARKER EVERYBODY!

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Either get it right or be stupidly wrong, I achieved the 2nd option without a doubt

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{Ed001's Note - you sound like the perfect guy to be an editor......}

Lol ed!

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09 Dec 2014 15:56:19
Are players who's teams are knocked out in the group stages in the CL still locked to that team if they move on?

I wouldn't mind Melo and Kaya!

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10 Dec 2014 01:46:07
If you play in the CL (European comp) for one club you can't play for another that season. Very basic rule

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09 Dec 2014 14:14:02
What has happened to Gnabry?

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Apperently they have forgotten him!"

AW quote on 31st October

"Gnabry is not quite ready, he is a couple of weeks away"

He also said thayt if Diaby can prove his fitness this season he will have a new contract, so make of it what you will

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If I'm not incorrect, certain players that have not been playing regularly have all challenged Wenger and are presumably being punished.
Gnabry refused to go on loan.
Rosicky complained about lack of playing time, as did Campbell & Podolski. Diaby is a mystery.

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09 Dec 2014 16:42:41
Gnabry didn't refuse to go on loan - (if you are referring to the summer) He was injured.

Still - would like to know what happened!

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I hope that's not true. There's no place for being arrogant or obnoxious but I can't imagine that being true of players such as Rosicky. Itching to play and enthusiastically asking to get on the pitch for your club can only be a good thing surely

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09 Dec 2014 11:39:22
Guys just having a look around some media sites and Villas Boas has been interviewed saying he has unfinished business in the EPL. He claims he was forced out of Chelsea due to board room politics and the fact he was only 3 points of 2nd place when he left Spurs was a disgraceful decision from the board.

Would any of you guys consider him as a potential replacement for Wenger? If Wenger stays the 3 years (which looks likely) AVB would have matured a lot more and maybe be ready for a 'top club'. He is highly regarded among his fellow coaches and even Mourinho called him 'the perfect tactical scholar' when they worked together.

Thoughts?

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09 Dec 2014 12:33:02
Hes a charlatan. Definately not

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I'd rather Dags took the job, with Banbury as his assistant!

How many chances does this guy need?

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Personally he wouldn't be my first choice but I think we could do a lot worse. If and when Wenger decides to go and the top managers aka Ancelotti, Guardiola, Klopp etc are not available I could settle for AVB. I like the way his teams try to play and I think there is definitely more to come from him. Like I said not my first choice but not my last either.

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Just not good enough, and also a manager that puts his ego before the good of the club.

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The only reason AVB found work in the EPL was on the back of the Mourinho connection imho. Chairman looked at him and thought, 'AVB is young, Portuguese and worked with Mourinho, surely some of his good ideas have rubbed off him'. The man also completely wasted the Bale fee at Spurs so in hindsight, we have that to thank for :d

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09 Dec 2014 14:36:41
There is not enough room on this site for the length of the no I want to post

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09 Dec 2014 16:36:03
I'm up for it lol.

If I was manager, and you lot gave me grief, I would shove your banners up your arsenal will win tonight :-)

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Thanks 337

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You're welcome guys, but it's really not a compliment my next choice was to become a spurs supporter

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09 Dec 2014 09:27:42
I know this has been asked before, but for the Wenger out brigade; who would do a better job?

The mighty Jurgen Klopp? Same guy whose team is closer to relegation than title? I'm confused because Wenger is often blamed for lacking tactical knowledge but how is Klopp different? His tactics are always the same, press high and work your socks off. I don't see how he would be better than Wenger. A talented manager for sure but imo not on the same level with Wenger.

Roberto Martinez? What has he exactly done to be considered as good as Wenger? Again, he definitely has talent but has he done enough to be our manager? I doubt it. He's similar to Wenger in good and bad. Their defense is even worse than ours and we have showed signs of improvement lately as Koscielny is coming back.

It's okay to want a change but would I push Wenger prematurely out for one of these men? No way. For me Wenger is still a fantastic manager. He has his flaws but the good still outweighs them. A year ago we all were praising him. Now apparently he has lost the plot (again).

For me there's only one manager in the world I would rather have and that is Pep Guardiola. He's a man who could do better in long-term and instead of replacing Wenger after this season with someone with lesser ability than both Wenger and Pep, I'd much rather wait until Wenger's time is up and Guardiola's contract runs out and then do everything to get him.

Well that's my view anyway.

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{Ed001's Note - you need to do more research on Klopp and Pep. Pep has proved nothing, Klopp has proved himself year after year.}

Ed first of all you're right, I'm not the best person to tell what we should do. But still I stick to my opinions. Klopp is a great manager and yes he may have proved that year after year but so has Wenger. But I think Guardiola is superior to both. It's difficult to say though as he had a fantastic squad at Barcelona and now at Munich. But Barcelona has been in decline ever since he left. The way they pressed after losing the ball was particularly impressive while he was there and of course their passing was always sublime. Could he replicate that at Arsenal is of course a difficult question but I think with time he would simply do a better job than Klopp. I also have concerns with Klopp's style. For me it seems it's so demanding the players are getting injured. So how would our players last with that style in England?

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That is the problem with trying to replace Wenger. In my opinion there are 4 possibilities:
1) Mourinho - Impossible!
2) Ancelotti - Hardly likely to leave Real for us!
3) Guardiola - Only if he is sacked or walks out
4) Simone - Does he speak English?

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I think consistency in the long run is what is to be applauded.

Pep managed one of the best teams of all time in barcelona, had one of the best players of all time, and similar to mourinho in terms of moving before the team cycle finishes, he left the team on a high.

while it looks good on his CV, similar to mourinho, I would like to see him build team after team and compete year after year, not in 3 year cycles but longer.

klopp has had similar pressure to wenger to build year after year while players departed for more money and bigger clubs, same as arsenal have with their players.

ferguson never had that pressure with a club that never needed to make profits by selling players.

and I would say he was lucky to have the class of 92 for majority of his duration, a core which played with each other for decades to win him multiple titles.

Again i'm not taking away credit from fergie, the situation and cirumstances enabled him to instill his methods into his team. its evident how far they fell after he left.

Arsenal on the other hand have too many players who need a cuddle.

wengers loyalty to players has not been rewarded, and the fans showing frustrations in the open does not help the situation.

change of manager is not the answer, the players are clearly at fault. they talk too much, they pose for selfies, i'm not sure if they even take their injuries seriously.

to blame wenger is absurd, while he will shoulder the responsibility its more than one man behing the club.

the season is just half way through, and we may yet find ourselves in the top 4. while year on year we have been buying world class players, who joined us due to wenger, its those who showed promise and seem to have regressed that have let the team down.

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Pep even said he failed to motivate the players in the end at barca and saw the right time to leave. he is clever though as manager but playing lahm and alaba not right back and left back is strange. also martinez for me one of best DM's in the world at centre back. hmm

i think them tactical moves actually have made bayern weaker

saying that i'd take him, klopp or simeone

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09 Dec 2014 12:35:47
Doesnt have to be a big name. Someone whose young, in touch with the modern game and has knowledge of strong foreign leagues will do, much like wenger when he joined.

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Simeone is a huge name and a big deal. top player and known also from the trip from beckham

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I agree with most of the comments on this post and pro Wenger or not I think we would all agree that no knee jerk reaction is needed and that when we do replace Wenger it needs to be with a manager who has a WINNING mentality, a Manager who HAS managed a club with Expectation. Moyes, Martinez, Koeman none are right.
Klopp, Pep, Carlo, Mancini this is the calibre we should be going for after Wenger.
For me though the problem is not Wenger's Managerial ability, for me he IS STILL one of the top managers out there. However what I believe has happened is that after all the great he has done for the club the Board has gone soft and stopped demanding more from him. i'm proud that arsenal is a club that give players, manager a chance however not at the cost of them losing their hunger to exceed expectation. the board should realise that Diaby should have not been given his last contract, player that are not good enough and have had their chance to prove themselves should be gone, i'm not saying tell him who to buy but to demand more from him, let him run the team not the club. if that makes sense.

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I'm going to throw in a name rarely mentioned in connection to the job but I do think it has weight - Remi Garde.

Garde was one of AW first signings at AFC along with Vieira, Grimandi and Petit and was brought in as a player AW felt comfortable working with (many managers do this). He played 2 seasons before retiring thru injury then some years later became Lyon manager. He recently left the club due to personal/family reasons but at 48, still has many years ahead of him. Under Garde Lyon played and set up like a mini-Arsenal, similar formation and player style, most will know AW has been linked with Lyon players such as Grenier and Gourcuff in the last couple of seasons, Lacerzette will be a EPL player too before soon. Whilst David Dein was at the club he recommended publicly that Garde would one day coach at the club and whilst Dein is (sadly) no longer here, it still says volumes.

All the above names have credence in their own way, Simeone perhaps more than others imo due to his ability of taking an under achieving team and turning them into a European force but I have a feeling AW will go upstairs and in a move similar to Alex Ferguson, have a huge say on his successor and pick an ex-player such as Garde to take over.

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09 Dec 2014 14:39:19
This time last year we were having the same debate as we are now iceman. Now there's just more on the out team

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This time last year we were top of the league Sheeny.

And on topic: no, avb is a massive step down from wenger. Some of you may finally realise this when you see the job offers he gets when he leaves us.

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10 Dec 2014 16:14:47
Yes lemon and we still had people popping up saying its not going to happen shift him on at the end of the season

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09 Dec 2014 07:17:13
Where are you Rosicky?

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09 Dec 2014 12:32:16
Rooster I keep meaning to ask - what's with the Dale Winton avatar?!

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Well-played TOAG.

Would like to make him active and either bobble or down a pint in one go.

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09 Dec 2014 06:31:42
No matter what the result is tonight, I am impressed by Wenger's team selection. He has rested players wherever possible, whilst still putting out a side capable of getting a result.
I find Wenger's silence on the following players rather odd: Rosicky, Abou Diaby & Hayden.

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09 Dec 2014 07:25:14
I think all 3 are carrying a slight injury Rob.

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You watching it later dags?

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09 Dec 2014 10:29:26
Bellerin confirmed Hayden was out for a while on twitter about a month ago.

Diaby is Diaby.

Interesting on Rosicky though!

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09 Dec 2014 16:39:30
Derby,

Yes mate, I will be tuning in, hopefully a nice decent win but will be keeping my eye on Debuchy.

We need him back and fighting fit.

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Akpom on the bench, really hope he gets brought on in the second half

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09 Dec 2014 04:19:49
Although Wenger can be extremely frustrating, we have to bear with him over the next two transfer windows, to see if he can make the necessary purchases required. We clearly need to sign 2 defenders & 2 defensive midfield players.
I am concerned as Wenger tends to ingnore the defensive side of the team, at times making poor signings or converting players to cover positions. Arteta is an example. Gibbs is another, I recall him playing his first game in the Emirates Cup, as a wide midfield player, who looked awesome. Yes, he looks decent at left-back, but he is not a natural defender and perhaps the injuries are a result of playing there. Bellerin is the latest example, he is a wide attacking player, not a right-back.
In respect of sales we need to sell or release: Flamini, Arteta, Jenkinson, Miyaichi, Abou Diaby & Coquelin.
On the positive side, we have qualified for the last 16 of the CL with a match to spare. We have a very winnable draw at home to Hull in the 3rd round of the FA Cup. We are only 4 points off a top four place. I don't think anyone would have suggested we would finish above Chelsea and Man City. Fortuately LIverpool & the Toot are even worse than us, without being able to blame a huge injury list and an imbalanced squad that can easily be rectified in the January window. So let's gets behind Wenger and the team, a win against Newcastle will hopefully settle the team down and restore confidence.

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RobbieG understand your frustration but the team has missed Arteta a lot and dropped points because of his absence.

Guy gets no respect and all he does is give us his all, not going to give the details because been well documented.

We need a stud DM to come in and learn the mental part of the game from him.

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Hi Red - We have missed Arteta, simply because he is a far better option than the woeful Flamini. However, the team would improve considerably if we signed Schneiderlin & McCarthy.

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You only need one, save the money for a CB.

Rotate with Arteta and play Arteta and new DM with the lead - bc Arteta is an all around footballer he would be great to come in for goal poachers like Ramsey when on a lead. And still comfortable starting him in a nice rotation. Respect.

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09 Dec 2014 00:05:52
Just a quick note.

I was reading an article just after the loss to United. Usmanov came out and said that there is officially money at the club and that whether it is spent or not, that decision has been left up to Wenger by the board and other investors.

I think this can lay a lot of theories and assumptions on how the club is being run to rest, and pretty much confirms that our lack of depth this season is completely the manager's fault. This revelation is going to make the January window even more interesting for us. Wenger is definitely in the last chance saloon now it seems. Hopefully January see's him go into kitchen sink mode in transfer market.

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We can't forget about ffp though.
But I suspect one of the reasons he didn't spend higher in the summer was the players he wanted weren't available. It would be daft to buy 2 CBs for 15m each and then buy the one you actually wanted next window for 35m, right?
Thanks to fifa and fm, everyone seems to think you can just buy whoever the hell you want whenever you want.
That's how I see it anyway, and I fully expect us to challenge next year presuming some of our moronic 'fans'(not directed at you CIG) don't cause a club exodus with their hatred, but hey only time will tell.

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Challenge next year? For the title? Lol nice one. Even Dags would be proud of that one!

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09 Dec 2014 07:27:26
Justk,

Yep, that one cracked me up, lol.

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First Arsene got stick for not spending even though the club said money was available, then it emerged there was no money but Arsene had taken the wrap to protect the board.
In truth I think its been Arsene all along wanting to prove he could beat chavs and cities billions on a shoe string.
The club came out summer 2013 and publicly declared we could compete in transfers and only Messi and Ranaldo were beyond us, Arsene did nothing all summer and I now believe Ozil was forced on him by the club which probably explains playing him on the wing rather than as the worlds best no10 he was when he arrived

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09 Dec 2014 08:15:41
I believe that FFP are only on our arse at the moment because of the size of our wage bill, which can be easily rectified by offloading all the deadwood on that wage bill.

Podolski - 80k a week to post on instagram and be all smiles when we lose.

Diaby - 60k a week to go to the doctors every day.

Flamini - 70k a week to miss tackles and get sent off.

Miyaichi - at least another club is currently paying his 15k a week.

Rosicky - love the guy but his best days look behind him now. Would still free up another 70k a week on the wage bill.

That's 295k a week freed up to invest into players of real quality to enhance the squad. Put annual revenue on top of that and surely we won't have any problem with FFP.

Think you might be right about Ozil G62, the way we spend smacks of Wengers stubbornness, wouldn't be surprised if Welbeck was forced on him as well.

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Podolski is on more which is a worry i'd sell him asap

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Here is the same problem again guys, "it really is NOT that simple"

We need to offload some of our high earners and it seems Podolski and Rosicky would be favourite as their wages are probably in the region of £200k per week combined. The issue is which clubs would take them now? Do you think they would move and cut their wages in half to play? I wouldn't to be honest!

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We will have to lower the selling fee to almost nothing so they can pay him his massive wages.

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09 Dec 2014 00:04:51
Just a test don't know if i'm banned again?

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{Ed027's Note - nope, fine pal

09 Dec 2014 01:55:27
I think you should be lol.

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Dags lol :)

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Yeah me to:

Todays poll: Should Derby be banned?

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Nice poll 337 I think I need the break to be honest spending a lot of time on here

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Nooooooo, don't leave us!

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08 Dec 2014 23:02:00
The Qatar world cup has to be stopped, the appalling treatment of the workers building the infrastructure to host it is totally immoral and inhumane.
The home nations should be the first to refuse to take part hopefully quickly followed by the the rest of the European nations.
People are dying daily, in the name of football? This has to end and end very very soon

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09 Dec 2014 02:22:57
Nothing new unfortunately. 6million people displaced from slums in Brazil, 20 million in Beijing 2008. No one in power cares the world cup is worth trillions.

Put it some where else with poor infrastructure and there'll be a myriad of humanitarian issues also.

Put it in a European country with resources at the ready and boos will be that with all the money in the sport it does nothing to improve underdeveloped nations. Although Qatar as "underdeveloped" is a major stretch but that is the case with these world events unfortunately.

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Very good insight sheeny

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08 Dec 2014 22:06:28
Debuchy in starting 11 for Gala game.

Glad to have him back.

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08 Dec 2014 21:59:52
How does Arsene respond to the first significant sign of of fan rebellion of his Arsenal career in January?
Does he
A, think I don't want it to end like this and spend a little more than he would like to make sure he gets what we desperately need
Or
B, think Banners! I'll give then banners and say " that DM you all wanted for Christmas? You can forget him and the CB too, in fact anymore of this decent and I'll let kos go on a free

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08 Dec 2014 21:58:33
Said a while ago I think manu will finish above us in 3rd place and push on next year. Hope i'm wrong and we invest big time in jan but I think we missed our chance in the summer

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